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takeawaysHoward Thurman is a significant figure for understanding hope in difficult times.The current political climate creates a crisis of hope for many.Progressive Christianity can serve as a counterforce to conservative ideologies.Empathy is essential for ethical behavior and morality.There is a divide in Christianity that reflects differing beliefs about God.Fear and grievance play a significant role in conservative Christianity.The importance of social justice and activism in faith communities.Mysticism can be a pathway to understanding our spiritual lives.The need for a strong, theologically grounded progressive movement is urgent.Bad behavior often reflects a misunderstanding of God's nature. Empathy is essential in understanding differing perspectives.Progressive Christianity aims to bring health to society and the planet.Christianity must evolve to meet contemporary challenges.Experience should take precedence over rigid doctrines.Faith should be dynamic and culturally relevant.God's presence is universal and not confined to one place.Politics should not define faith, but faith should inform politics.Moral accountability is crucial in political engagement.Hope can be found in small, everyday actions.Self-care and community support are forms of resistance.LinksBlog: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/livingaholyadventure/Book: https://tinyurl.com/35ftpnac SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

takeawaysDillon discusses the cultural diversity in Lancaster County, highlighting the coexistence of Amish and Christian nationalists.He emphasizes the importance of love and neighborly kindness in his theological approach.Dillon's writing project critiques Christian nationalism through the lens of Jesus and Paul's teachings.He expresses a desire to understand biblical figures and their teachings more deeply.The conversation touches on the significance of orthopraxy over orthodoxy in modern faith practices.Dillon shares his personal journey through fundamentalism and the impact of early religious experiences.He reflects on the challenges of reconciling faith with modern scientific understanding.The role of permaculture is discussed as a metaphor for spiritual growth and interconnectedness.Dillon's experiences in seminary led to a deeper exploration of theology and spirituality.The conversation concludes with a focus on finding community and meaning in a changing world. Navigating post-fundamentalism involves reconciling faith with personal beliefs.Experiences of spirituality can transcend traditional dogma.Spiritual nourishment is essential in today's politically charged environment.Christian nationalism poses a significant challenge to authentic faith.The golden rule is a universal principle found across various belief systems.Personal experiences of grace can reshape one's understanding of faith.Community support is vital for those struggling with mental health issues.Hope exists in the form of individuals reevaluating their beliefs.Compassion towards others, even enemies, is a difficult but necessary pursuit.The need for a global perspective on love and humanity is more pressing than ever.Links:Podcast: https://godsquadpodcast.com/Blog: https://tattooed-theologian.com/about/Book: [click here] SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Key TakeawaysChristian Nationalism Defined: A political ideology merging American and Christian identities, often excluding non-Christians and enforcing conservative, white supremacist norms.Historical Roots: Christian nationalism is intertwined with the doctrine of discovery, slavery, and segregation, using faith to justify oppression.Power Over Principles: The alignment of some Christian groups with political power (e.g., Trump-era policies) often sacrifices theological integrity for influence.Violence and Symbolism: Events like the Tree of Life Synagogue shooting and January 6th Capitol attack exemplify Christian nationalism’s violent consequences.Hope in Community: Grassroots conversations, honest history, and interfaith solidarity are vital to resisting Christian nationalism and fostering healing.Chapter BreakdownAmanda’s Faith & Political Roots (00:00–15:00)Growing up in a Baptist family in Texas.Early passion for politics, career in law, and work with Rep. Lloyd Doggett.Faith, Power, and Disillusionment (15:01–30:00)Tension between Christian values and political power.Critique of the Moral Majority’s shift from justice to power-seeking.Defining Christian Nationalism (30:01–45:00)Links to white supremacy, colonialism, and the myth of America as a “Christian nation.”January 6th as a modern example of Christian nationalist violence.Historical Trauma and White Supremacy (45:01–60:00)The doctrine of discovery, slavery, and systemic racism as foundational to Christian nationalism.Challenges in discussing race and privilege without triggering defensiveness.Hope and Resistance (60:01–End)The role of literature (James by Percival Everett) and community dialogue in healing.Amanda’s optimism in grassroots movements and truth-telling.Links & ResourcesOrganizations:Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty (BJC)Christians Against Christian NationalismEnd Christian Nationalism CampaignAmanda’s Book: How to End Christian Nationalism (available on the above sites)Mentioned Literature: James by Percival Everett (retelling of Huckleberry Finn) SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Key TakeawaysFrom Beliefs to Practice: Aaron advocates for shifting from a beliefs-based faith to a practice-based spirituality, where doing (e.g., forgiveness, liturgy, service) shapes belief more than intellectual assent.Ecumenical Future: The future of faith communities lies in crossing denominational silos, integrating traditions (e.g., evangelical hospitality with liturgical depth), and creating spaces for diverse expressions of worship.Critique of American Christianity: Both progressive and conservative Christian traditions often prioritize cultural power (e.g., nationalism, consumerism) over the "enemy-loving, peacemaking way of Jesus."Embodied Spirituality: Practices like the Ignatian Examen, centering prayer, and communal lament help re-enchant faith by grounding it in the body and daily life.Soundtrack of Struggle: Aaron’s current spiritual "soundtrack" is the Icelandic band Sigur Rós, whose haunting, wordless music mirrors his mix of disillusionment and hope.Chapter BreakdownIntroductions & Soundtrack of Life (00:00–10:00)Aaron shares his emotional state (disillusioned yet hopeful) and chooses Sigur Rós as his metaphorical soundtrack.Tom recommends Jesse Wells, a folk artist embodying modern resistance music.Faith Roots & Deconstruction (10:01–25:00)Aaron’s upbringing in the Plymouth Brethren tradition and later evangelical mega-churches.His faith crisis and rediscovery of Jesus’ kingdom message through Dallas Willard’s The Divine Conspiracy.Liturgy, Hospitality, and Re-enchantment (25:01–45:00)The role of liturgy in forming community and the need for "hospitable" worship.Critique of evangelical emotional manipulation vs. liturgical depth.Tom’s story of revitalizing liturgy by rediscovering its symbolic meaning.American Christianity & Political Disillusionment (45:01–01:00:00)The dangers of conflating faith with political power.Reflections on MAGA, progressive capitalism, and the church’s failure to discern.The Future of Faith Communities (01:00:01–End)The importance of ecumenical retreats (e.g., Pastors, Priests, and Guides).Aaron’s book The Eternal Current and practices like forgiveness as “miraculous” acts.Links & ResourcesAaron’s Book: The Eternal Current: How a Practice-Based Faith Can Save Us from DrowningWebsite: aaroniequist.comInstagram: @aaroniequistRetreats: Pastors, Priests, and Guides Retreats (Boston, Chicago, Malibu in 2024) Music Mentioned:Sigur Rós (Aaron’s soundtrack)Jesse Wells (Tom’s recommendation) SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

🔑 Key Topics Covered:From Charismatic to Anglican: Preston’s journey from a Tulsa megachurch upbringing to embracing sacramental, liturgical traditions.Why Easter Matters for 50 Days: Rediscovering resurrection as a way of life—not just a doctrine—and its implications for justice, forgiveness, and hope.Liturgical Living: How ancient rhythms (like Lent, Eastertide, and Ordinary Time) reshape faith beyond entertainment-driven worship.Deconstruction & Doubt: Navigating faith shifts, cognitive dissonance, and why doubt is a natural companion to trust.Resisting Christian Nationalism: Re-centering Christian identity on Jesus’ self-giving love over political power.Practical Faith: Why Resurrection People (Preston’s new book) invites us to feast, celebrate, and embody resurrection daily.📚 Featured Work:Preston’s upcoming book: Resurrection People: A Journey from Easter to Pentecost (releasing March 2024).Weekly lectionary resources at The Art of Preaching Substack.👉 Why Watch?Whether you’re deconstructing faith, curious about liturgical practices, or weary of politicized Christianity, this episode offers hope for a faith rooted in Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection.🔔 Subscribe to Liminal Living for more conversations on faith, doubt, and spiritual transformation. Like, comment, and share to join the dialogue! SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

🔑 Key Topics Covered:Why Supernaturalism Fails: Unpacking the medieval roots of supernaturalism and its incompatibility with modern questions of suffering (theodicy) and free will.Process Theology 101: Discover how thinkers like Alfred North Whitehead, David Ray Griffin, and Thomas J. Ord redefine God as a relational, persuasive force within—not above—the natural world.Panentheism vs. Supernaturalism: How God is the “soul of the universe,” intimately woven into creation’s fabric.Metamodern Spirituality: Bridging science and faith through experiential, interconnected frameworks.Practical Implications: How process theology enriches prayer, worship, and ethical living in a post-supernatural age.📚 Mentioned Works & Thinkers:David Ray Griffin’s Naturalism PPPFriedrich Schleiermacher’s God-consciousnessChad Ball’s devotional Mornings with Schleiermacher👉 Why Watch?Whether you’re deconstructing faith, exploring progressive theology, or seeking a God compatible with science and human freedom, this episode offers fresh insights for skeptics and believers alike.🔔 Subscribe to Liminal Living for more deep dives into theology, philosophy, and liminal spirituality. Like, comment, and share to join the conversation!Links:Chab Bahl's Author Page: [Amazon]Chad Bahl's other Author Page: [Deconstructing Hell] SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

takeawaysGrounding in spiritual practices is essential during chaotic times.Community support can provide strength and resilience.Limiting social media exposure can help maintain mental health.Deconstruction can be a transformative process, akin to a caterpillar becoming a butterfly.Creativity can serve as a pathway to hope and healing.Intentionality in actions can turn everyday activities into spiritual practices.Listening to marginalized voices is crucial for rebuilding faith and community.Open conversations about political differences can foster understanding.Betrayal can stem from political choices that affect loved ones.Hope is vital for navigating through difficult times. Empathy can be challenging when political views clash.Cocooning is a valid way to protect oneself from harm.Storytelling humanizes experiences and fosters connection.Finding voices that inspire hope is crucial in difficult times.Creating safe spaces in community is essential for open dialogue.Speaking up for justice is a responsibility we all share.Lowering expectations during grief can be empowering.Hope is vital for resilience in tough situations.Maintaining kindness is a personal goal worth striving for.Rituals can ground us in times of distress.Linksweb: https://www.jacciturner.com/ SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

takeawaysDanny Bryant grew up in a religious cult that emphasized moral perfection.Literature played a significant role in shaping Danny's worldview and personal growth.Leaving the cult was a long and complex process for Danny, taking over a decade.Danny's experience in the cult led him to question many beliefs and seek a more inclusive faith.The trauma from his upbringing continues to influence Danny's life and work as a pastor.Danny aims to prove that pastoral care can be done with integrity and love, not control and shame.He draws parallels between cult mentality and systemic issues like whiteness and social justice.Danny believes that understanding whiteness is crucial for addressing social injustices.He emphasizes the importance of being in touch with our bodily existence and emotions.Danny's journey reflects a broader narrative of healing and transformation in the face of trauma. The richness of truth can be overwhelming and transformative.Assimilation into dominant cultures often leads to heartbreak and division.Communities built on insularity struggle to foster genuine love and connection.Hospice spirituality offers a way to acknowledge the need for change and growth.Insecure possessiveness can lead to addiction to ideas rather than genuine belonging.The anger in white communities often misplaces blame on marginalized groups.The Roman centurion's faith exemplifies dignity and humility in seeking help.We must say no to death and exclusion while affirming human dignity.The addiction to shame can distort our understanding of love and worth.True community requires letting go of control and embracing uncertainty.Links: Web: www.spaciouslistening.comBook: https://tinyurl.com/y7bw9fwb SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

takeawaysBad theology shapes harmful societal priorities.Our understanding of God influences our actions.Genesis 1 introduces God as a creator from chaos.Jesus embodies the Word that brings order.Creation reflects a rhythm of forming and filling.Humans are stewards of God's creation, not slaves.Rest is essential for sustaining life and faith.The biblical narrative invites trust in God's provision.The chaos of society mirrors the darkness in Genesis 1.God's creation is abundant and meant for thriving. The Tower of Babel story reflects the temptation to empire.God's desire is for humanity to enjoy life without the chaos of empire.Our quest for efficiency can harm our relationship with the earth.Scarcity is a human construct, not part of God's design.God is actively working in ways we may not immediately see.The Holy Spirit represents a divine exhale for humanity.Unity in diversity is a key theme in the reconciliation of Babel.God's mercy is widening to include all of humanity.Chaos introduced by humanity can lead to our own undoing.Seeing others through divine eyes fosters compassion and understanding.Links:Web: [Click Here]Book: [Click here] SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

TakeawaysBrandon's morning routine includes ice baths for wellness.Experiencing a sense of goodness at a young age shaped Brandon's faith.Faith can provide structure but should not be overly rigid.Questions about faith can lead to feeling on the fringes of religious communities.Confession and vulnerability can deepen community connections.Books can profoundly impact one's understanding of faith.The essence of faith may be mistaken for its constructs.Asking questions about the gospel can challenge traditional beliefs.Personal experiences shape one's understanding of spirituality.Navigating faith involves balancing personal beliefs with community expectations. The gospel is fundamentally about the Kingdom of God.Many Christians focus solely on the death and resurrection, neglecting the broader gospel message.Embodiment is crucial in living out the gospel in our daily lives.The journey of faith often involves significant transformation and personal growth.Shalom represents a deep, holistic peace that encompasses more than just the absence of conflict.The gospel was originally written by marginalized people for marginalized people.Spirituality should be accessible and relatable, not confined to religious jargon.Storytelling can be a powerful medium for conveying theological ideas.The church often struggles with the concept of embodiment in faith practices.Meditation and mindfulness can enhance our understanding of spiritual truths.linksAmazon Link: https://shorturl.at/gizVuWeb: https://www.brandonandress.com/Book store: https://www.viewpointbooks.com/book/9781964252254 SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.