

Liminal Living
Dr. Thomas J Rundel
Welcome to the Liminal Living Podcast, where we dive deep into the realm of liminal spaces—those transitional phases where uncertainty is our companion. I'm your host and curator of conversations, Dr. Tom Rundel, and it's my pleasure to serve as your guide through these uncharted territories. With a doctoral background in spirituality and leadership from Portland Seminary, my research has centered on the spirituality found in the narratives of liminality in the Bible, but I have expanded my research to include other faith traditions and cognitive science. Since our launch in 2023, we've been dedicated to exploring the nuances of dark nights and deconstructions, but our journey expanded to include insights from a diverse array of modern-day thinkers and artists. Through a blend of stories, practices, and perspectives, we provide valuable guidance for fellow travelers navigating their own liminal spaces. So, join us as we embark on this journey and embrace the uncertainty in order to uncover the hidden wisdom that lies within the liminal spaces of life.
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Sep 4, 2025 • 5min
134a: Let Love Rule: Song Only
Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson conclude their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of Lenny Kravitz's Let Love Rule Sponsors
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Sep 3, 2025 • 17min
134: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 10
takeawaysMusic serves as a powerful tool for social change.The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music.Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles.Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe.Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times.The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship.Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections.Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art.The importance of community and shared values in music.Artistic expression can challenge and inspire change.
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Aug 28, 2025 • 5min
133a: Subterranean Homesick Alien: Song Only
Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson continue their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of Radio Head's Subterranean Homesick Alien Sponsors
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Aug 27, 2025 • 20min
133: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 9
takeawaysMusic serves as a powerful tool for social change.The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music.Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles.Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe.Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times.The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship.Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections.Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art.The importance of community and shared values in music.Artistic expression can challenge and inspire change.
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Aug 21, 2025 • 5min
132a: What Are We Afraid Of: Song Only
Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson continue their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of an original tune Jeremie Wrote. Sponsors
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Aug 20, 2025 • 21min
132: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 8
takeawaysMusic serves as a powerful tool for social change.The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music.Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles.Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe.Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times.The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship.Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections.Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art.The importance of community and shared values in music.Artistic expression can challenge and inspire change.
SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise) ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Aug 14, 2025 • 4min
131a: Running to Stand Still: Song Only
Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson continue their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of U2's Running to Stand Still Sponsors
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Aug 13, 2025 • 19min
131: Summer Songs of Resistance Pt 7
takeawaysMusic serves as a powerful tool for social change.The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music.Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles.Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe.Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times.The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship.Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections.Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art.The importance of community and shared values in music.Artistic expression can challenge and inspire change.
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Aug 6, 2025 • 57min
130: Brian McLaren: Reimagining God for the Modern World
Check out Brian's work here: https://brianmclaren.net/ Order his new Book here: https://brianmclaren.net/the-last-voyage-my-new-sci-fi-novel/ Check out his podcast here: https://cac.org/podcast/learning-how-to-see/?fbclid=IwAR2F2SM7RopzGuelD8HOshRFUCxhf9yg0wT9wz6lKWRSy9S6IO0Jnz2DX80 Takeaways Brian McLaren shares a joyful moment with his grandson. The importance of being present in the moment to find joy. Fiction can be a powerful medium to explore complex themes. Imagination is crucial in times of societal regression. Ethics should arise from mutual dependence within communities. Empathy is essential for a healthy ethical framework. The Bible reflects the values of an indigenous people. Progressive Christianity faces challenges in a modern context. Recontextualizing faith is necessary for contemporary believers. Hope is found in the conviction to pursue meaningful actions. Chapters Introduction and Background The Shift to Fiction Writing Exploring the Role of Storytelling Ethics and Community Dynamics The Intersection of Faith and Politics Understanding Indigenous Ethics The Impact of Modernity on Religion The Future of Christianity in a Changing World The Impact of Modernity on Faith Deconstruction and Reconstruction of Faith Diverse Perspectives on God Creeds and Their Relevance Today Recontextualizing Theology for a Modern World Re-enchanting the World Hope Amidst Regression
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Jul 31, 2025 • 3min
129a: Freedom: Song Only
to listen to the full episode with commentary please check out episode 129 Sponsors
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