In The Blink of AI with Georgie Healy

Frank Greeff, the founder behind a $180M exit and the viral Founders Table series, is back, this time building Kinso, an AI messaging aggregation tool set to change how businesses communicate. Instead of retiring after one of Australia’s biggest tech acquisitions, Frank is diving back into the grind, sharing why momentum and purpose keep him building.In this episode, Frank reveals the AI hacks that surprised even his engineers, why scrappy MVPs may not survive in today’s fast-moving AI wave, and how personal branding gives founders a hidden moat. Georgie and Frank also dig into what it takes to self-fund after top VCs said no, attracting A+ engineering talent in a competitive market, and why “taste” will define which AI products win.Plus, Frank unpacks Meta’s $100M AI hires, the rise of deepfakes and how he protects his family, and answers listener questions on planning exits, building AI startups, and navigating AGI, UBI, and the future of work, all while playing a spicy rapid-fire round.Time Stamps03:20 – What is Kinso and why aggregate business messaging06:15 – Why Frank couldn’t retire after a $180M exit10:45 – Hack of the Week: how non-technical founders can challenge engineers with AI14:30 – Why Frank thinks MVPs can’t be scrappy anymore18:00 – Building a founding team: attracting top AI engineering talent23:30 – Meta’s $100M AI hires and how Kinso competes26:40 – Why VCs rejected Kinso and why Frank’s self-funding30:50 – Taste as a moat: what makes great AI products stand out33:00 – How building an AI startup differs from RealBase36:00 – Planning for exits: documentation and timing40:30 – Deepfakes and Frank’s “secret password” strategy43:20 – Rapid Fire: AGI, UBI, future of work, and moreResources Mentioned🌐 Kinso – https://www.kinso.ai/🔗 Frank Greeff on LinkedIn – / frankgreeff✨ Connect with Georgie HealyLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georginahealy/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/georgina_healy/Twitter: https://x.com/georgina__healy?lang=enThe Day One NetworkIn The Blink of AI is part of Day One, the podcast network dedicated to founders, operators & investors.Sign up to get your weekly insights into the up-and-coming AI startups: https://dayone.fm/newsletter

Episode SummaryJason Maynard, CTO of Zendesk, joins Georgie Healy for a conversation that cuts through the AI automation hype and gets to what is actually happening on the front lines of customer service.Jason shares the framework every business needs right now for deciding where automation genuinely helps customers and where it quietly destroys trust. He introduces the dolphin problem, the counterintuitive reason why the brands that listen hardest to complaints end up winning the most. And he explains why, despite everything you are hearing about AI replacing jobs, customer service job postings in the United States went up 10% in 2025.They also get into digital snap and how to design your way out of it, why your AI agent is really just an extension of your brand identity, a brand new role emerging inside service organisations that looks a lot like what happened to marketing in the early 2000s, and three rapid fire scenarios that reveal exactly when you need a human and when you do not.This is one of the most grounded and practical conversations we have had on the show about what AI in customer service actually looks like when it is done well.✨ Connect with Georgie HealyLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georginahealy/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/georgina_healy/Twitter: https://x.com/georgina__healy?lang=enThe Day One NetworkIn The Blink of AI is part of Day One, the podcast network dedicated to founders, operators & investors.Sign up to get your weekly insights into the up-and-coming AI startups: https://dayone.fm/newsletter

Episode SummaryJeanne DeWitt Grosser, Chief Operating Officer at Vercel, joins Georgie in Sydney to discuss what the shift to agentic AI actually means for developers, founders, and enterprise teams in 2026. Jeanne shares why the primitives required to build reliable agents at scale have only just arrived, and what that means for companies still stitching together fragmented infrastructure.They explore Vercel's product suite, the real-world application of vibe coding for non-technical builders, and why Next.js has become the default framework that AI models reach for unprompted. Jeanne also breaks down the go-to-market and engineering alignment model Vercel has built internally, and the design partnership approach, refined at Stripe, that turns customer relationships into a product roadmap.The conversation covers what founders should prioritise right now, why small and fast beats big and planned in the current AI landscape, and how to get genuine signal from customers before you try to sell them anything.Time Stamps0:00 Intro03:07 The Role of Engineers in AI Development06:01 Transitioning from Tech Giants to Startups08:56 Vercel's Impact on Development in Australia12:10 Understanding Vercel's v0 and Next.js14:53 The Future of AI and Development Tools18:10 Bridging the Gap Between Technical and Sales Teams21:10 Feedback Loops and Customer Insights24:03 The Emergence of Go-to-Market Engineers27:02 Empathy in Sales and Engineering29:50 Advice for Navigating AI Overwhelm✨ Connect with Georgie HealyLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georginahealy/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/georgina_healy/Twitter: https://x.com/georgina__healy?lang=enThe Day One NetworkIn The Blink of AI is part of Day One, the podcast network dedicated to founders, operators & investors.Sign up to get your weekly insights into the up-and-coming AI startups: https://dayone.fm/newsletter

Episode SummaryStripe’s Head of Startups, Hayley Hopwood, joins Georgie to unpack what the next era of commerce actually looks like and why founders need to rethink payments now, not later.They start with something unexpected: vibe coding a household chore app in 20 minutes. But the conversation quickly moves into much bigger territory. From OpenAI’s arrival in Australia to agentic commerce and Stablecoins, Hayley explains how AI is reshaping the final mile of every transaction and why payments are no longer just infrastructure, they are strategy.They dive into frictionless checkout, tokenisation, and the psychology of “one click” buying. Hayley shares why Australia will not build the next foundational LLM but can absolutely dominate in niche AI verticals like health, insurance, agriculture and education. She also unpacks why founders must build for global from day one, even if they are only selling locally, and how ignoring tax, currency and billing models early can quietly kill your scale later.Plus: is B2B SaaS actually dead, what jobs will change first in the AI era, why mediocrity will not survive, and what founders should do in 2026 to stay ahead of the curve.This is a masterclass in building durable infrastructure in a world moving at AI speed.In the Blink of AI is made possible by our wonderful partnersDeelFounders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, and get visas handled fast, so you stay focused on scaling. Deel takes care of onboarding, HR, IT, EOR, benefits, and compliance, so your team can grow without borders.It’s why more than 37,000 fast-growing companies trust Deel to move fast.Book a free 30-min demo https://www.deel.com/dayone✨ Connect with Georgie HealyLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georginahealy/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/georgina_healy/Twitter: https://x.com/georgina__healy?lang=enThe Day One NetworkIn The Blink of AI is part of Day One, the podcast network dedicated to founders, operators & investors.Sign up to get your weekly insights into the up-and-coming AI startups: https://dayone.fm/newsletterMentioned in this episode:Stripe StartupsFor early-stage, venture-backed founders – Stripe Startups is where to start. Enrol in the program and receive access to credits on Stripe fees, expert insights, and a focused community of other founders building on Stripe. Apply for Stripe Startups at dayone.fm/stripeStripe Ad_Nov 2025_02

Episode SummaryEvery time you ask an AI to write a song, generate a script, or mimic a creative style, there's a good chance it learned how to do that by consuming someone's life's work, without asking, without paying, and without them ever knowing.In October 2025, the Albanese Government became the first in the world to rule out a text and data mining exception to copyright law, a landmark win for creators that is now being actively challenged by the tech industry. It's the backdrop to everything Holly and Georgie discuss here.Holly Rankin, the artist behind Jack River and founder of cultural strategy company Sentiment Agency, has testified before Australian Parliament and become one of the most articulate voices in the fight to ensure the AI economy doesn't get built on the back of stolen human culture. In this episode she and Georgie get into the staggering labour that goes into making a single song, why the "it's too complicated to license" argument from Big Tech is a convenient myth, and what the Anthropic book piracy settlement really signals about where this is all heading. But underneath the policy detail is a bigger question: if we let machines consume and replicate everything that makes us human, what exactly are we left with?Jack River - https://www.jackrivermusic.com/Holly Rankin Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/holly-rankin-3535912b3/In the Blink of AI is made possible by our wonderful partnersDeelFounders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, and get visas handled fast, so you stay focused on scaling. Deel takes care of onboarding, HR, IT, EOR, benefits, and compliance, so your team can grow without borders.It’s why more than 37,000 fast-growing companies trust Deel to move fast.Book a free 30-min demo https://www.deel.com/dayone✨ Connect with Georgie HealyLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georginahealy/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/georgina_healy/Twitter: https://x.com/georgina__healy?lang=enThe Day One NetworkIn The Blink of AI is part of Day One, the podcast network dedicated to founders, operators & investors.Sign up to get your weekly insights into the up-and-coming AI startups: https://dayone.fm/newsletterMentioned in this episode:Stripe StartupsFor early-stage, venture-backed founders – Stripe Startups is where to start. Enrol in the program and receive access to credits on Stripe fees, expert insights, and a focused community of other founders building on Stripe. Apply for Stripe Startups at dayone.fm/stripeStripe Ad_Nov 2025_02

Episode SummaryTracey Spicer is one of Australia’s most respected journalists and the author of Man-Made: How the Bias of the Past Is Being Built into the Future. In this episode, Georgie sits down with Tracey for a sharp, funny, and occasionally jaw-dropping conversation about what happens when we treat AI like neutral math instead of what it really is: opinion written in code.They unpack why algorithmic bias is getting worse in the generative AI era, how recommendation engines can quietly radicalise people (from Andrew Tate pipelines to hyper-performative “tradwife” culture), and why “move fast” without guardrails is a dangerous blueprint. The discussion also goes into the weird and unsettling frontier of humanoid home robots, privacy risks in always-on devices, and what Tracey learned researching sex robots, including the disturbing ways consent is engineered out of the product.Plus: why Tracey’s favourite AI tool is Claude, what she thinks about Grok and the chaos machine of X, why we are not getting a four day work week anytime soon, and her case for “regulatory sandpits” to test AI safely before it hits the rest of the world.Time Stamps01:10 – Tracey’s TEDx “The lady stripped bare” moment and why it still matters04:45 – Beauty standards, AI filters, and why expectations on young women have intensified08:20 – Man-Made and the epiphany that sparked Tracey’s AI obsession11:10 – The AI arms race, speed, and why we are in the “seatbelt era” of tech14:30 – Digital natives vs critical thinking: the hallucination blind spot16:45 – Tracey’s AI stack: why Claude is her daily driver19:05 – Humanoid home robots: convenience vs surveillance21:55 – Strength vs security: what actually scares Tracey about robots24:35 – Sex robots and the consent problem manufacturers do not talk about28:10 – Algorithms as “opinions in code” and how radicalisation happens33:10 – Removing bias: conversations, perspective checks, and inclusive design35:00 – Grok, MechaHitler, and what happens when platforms mirror their owners36:45 – Deepfake porn, consent, and why regulation is finally catching up38:10 – No, AI will not magically deliver a four day work week41:10 – Future jobs: law, AI assistants, and why juniors still need fundamentals44:15 – Indigenous knowledge, language revitalisation, and the full-circle AI story46:50 – Rapid fire: brain chips, Waymo, smart glasses, and AI “snog marry avoid”49:55 – What we should do now: regulatory sandpits and real guardrailsIn the Blink of AI is made possible by our wonderful partnersDeelFounders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, and get visas handled fast, so you stay focused on scaling. Deel takes care of onboarding, HR, IT, EOR, benefits, and compliance, so your team can grow without borders.It’s why more than 37,000 fast-growing companies trust Deel to move fast.Book a free 30-min demo https://www.deel.com/dayone✨ Connect with Georgie HealyLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georginahealy/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/georgina_healy/Twitter: https://x.com/georgina__healy?lang=enThe Day One NetworkIn The Blink of AI is part of Day One, the podcast network dedicated to founders, operators & investors.Sign up to get your weekly insights into the up-and-coming AI startups: https://dayone.fm/newsletterMentioned in this episode:Stripe StartupsFor early-stage, venture-backed founders – Stripe Startups is where to start. Enrol in the program and receive access to credits on Stripe fees, expert insights, and a focused community of other founders building on Stripe. Apply for Stripe Startups at dayone.fm/stripeStripe Ad_Nov 2025_02

Episode SummaryEnterprise AI is past the hype phase and into the hard part: scaling what works without breaking security, blowing out costs, or shipping chaos into production. In this episode, Georgie chats with AWS technologist Rada Stanic about using AI as a “study buddy” to renew technical certifications faster, and why tools like AWS QuickSight can generate strong first drafts of strategy docs when you provide the right templates and context.They go deep on AIOps: the operational discipline enterprises need to deploy agents and GenAI reliably at scale. Rada breaks AIOps into five practical pillars: defining agent intent, identity and security boundaries, policy and governance, observability and evaluation, and managing the rapid model lifecycle as new LLMs drop constantly. The conversation also covers why security questions dominate every enterprise AI project, why data quality still makes or breaks outcomes, and why “RAG” is fading as a buzzword even though retrieval is still foundational.Finally, Rada shares a sharp concern for the next generation: what happens to junior roles when AI fills the entry level work, and why the pace of change itself may become the next generation’s greatest advantage.In the Blink of AI is made possible by our wonderful partnersDeelFounders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, and get visas handled fast, so you stay focused on scaling. Deel takes care of onboarding, HR, IT, EOR, benefits, and compliance, so your team can grow without borders.It’s why more than 37,000 fast-growing companies trust Deel to move fast.Book a free 30-min demo https://www.deel.com/dayone✨ Connect with Georgie HealyLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georginahealy/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/georgina_healy/Twitter: https://x.com/georgina__healy?lang=enThe Day One NetworkIn The Blink of AI is part of Day One, the podcast network dedicated to founders, operators & investors.Sign up to get your weekly insights into the up-and-coming AI startups: https://dayone.fm/newsletterMentioned in this episode:Stripe StartupsFor early-stage, venture-backed founders – Stripe Startups is where to start. Enrol in the program and receive access to credits on Stripe fees, expert insights, and a focused community of other founders building on Stripe. Apply for Stripe Startups at dayone.fm/stripeStripe Ad_Nov 2025_02

Episode SummaryLiam Millward is one of Australia’s most watched young founders, but this conversation goes way beyond the headline of raising a record pre-seed at 17. Liam breaks down how Instant is building an AI powered marketing manager for e-commerce brands, why retention marketing is the real lever for growth, and how personalisation at scale changes the economics of marketing teams.Georgie and Liam unpack what it actually takes to win in B2B SaaS right now, why “nice-to-have dashboards” are getting crushed, and what young founders should do instead of spending their time posing with VCs. Liam also shares the downside of raising big too early, his bet on Google winning the model race, and the one tool he has mandated across Instant’s engineering team.Plus: why New York (not SF) is the next chapter for Instant, how Australian buying habits can create painful customers, and Liam’s spicy prediction that AI agents will become the majority of internet traffic shockingly soon.Time Stamps01:35 – Meet Liam Millward and the record-breaking pre-seed story03:40 – Using AI to hire better and have deeper interviews07:55 – What Instant actually does and why retention beats acquisition12:00 – How AI personalization changes loyalty, margins, and growth16:30 – Is B2B SaaS dead or just getting ruthless?20:45 – Raising big too early, age bias, and proving people wrong28:30 – Teenage founders, VC hype, and why starting small still wins34:15 – New York expansion, Google vs OpenAI, and Claude Code43:50 – AI agents, Australia’s talent drain, and what comes next44:38 – Saying no to customers: Australia’s “buy from friends” trap45:32 – Structure at Instant: obsession, speed, and a tiny leadership team46:42 – Australia’s talent drain and what could change itIn the Blink of AI is made possible by our wonderful partnersDeelFounders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, and get visas handled fast, so you stay focused on scaling. Deel takes care of onboarding, HR, IT, EOR, benefits, and compliance, so your team can grow without borders.It’s why more than 37,000 fast-growing companies trust Deel to move fast.Book a free 30-min demo https://www.deel.com/dayone✨ Connect with Georgie HealyLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georginahealy/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/georgina_healy/Twitter: https://x.com/georgina__healy?lang=enThe Day One NetworkIn The Blink of AI is part of Day One, the podcast network dedicated to founders, operators & investors.Sign up to get your weekly insights into the up-and-coming AI startups: https://dayone.fm/newsletterMentioned in this episode:Stripe StartupsFor early-stage, venture-backed founders – Stripe Startups is where to start. Enrol in the program and receive access to credits on Stripe fees, expert insights, and a focused community of other founders building on Stripe. Apply for Stripe Startups at dayone.fm/stripeStripe Ad_Nov 2025_02

Episode SummaryIs the next AI breakthrough hiding in robotics, not chatbots?This week on In the Blink of AI, Georgie Healy is joined by cognitive robotics researcher Colm Flanagan for a grounded look at the next phase of artificial intelligence beyond large language models. While tools like ChatGPT live comfortably in the cloud, robots do not have that luxury. A self-driving car, drone, or warehouse bot cannot wait seconds for an answer. Decisions have to happen instantly, on device. Colm explains why this constraint could force a fundamental rethink of how we build AI, pushing models to become smaller, faster, and rooted in real-world experience rather than just trained on internet text.The conversation explores whether LLM progress is starting to plateau, what a “data ceiling” really means, and why chasing AGI might be the wrong goal altogether. From robots that form memories like humans to the privacy tradeoffs of machines that watch and learn from us, they unpack the technical limits, the hype cycles, and what actually matters for builders today. If you want a clear-eyed take on where AI is genuinely heading, and why the next breakthroughs may be physical rather than digital, this episode connects the dots.In the Blink of AI is made possible by our wonderful partnersDeelFounders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, and get visas handled fast, so you stay focused on scaling. Deel takes care of onboarding, HR, IT, EOR, benefits, and compliance, so your team can grow without borders.It’s why more than 37,000 fast-growing companies trust Deel to move fast.Book a free 30-min demo https://www.deel.com/dayone✨ Connect with Georgie HealyLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georginahealy/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/georgina_healy/Twitter: https://x.com/georgina__healy?lang=enThe Day One NetworkIn The Blink of AI is part of Day One, the podcast network dedicated to founders, operators & investors.Sign up to get your weekly insights into the up-and-coming AI startups: https://dayone.fm/newsletterMentioned in this episode:Stripe StartupsFor early-stage, venture-backed founders – Stripe Startups is where to start. Enrol in the program and receive access to credits on Stripe fees, expert insights, and a focused community of other founders building on Stripe. Apply for Stripe Startups at dayone.fm/stripeStripe Ad_Nov 2025_02

Episode SummaryJosh Vinson works at the edge where AI meets the human brain. With a background in psychology and machine learning, he is part of a growing group of engineers exploring neural decoding, the emerging field focused on translating brain signals into meaningful insights about thought, intent, and experience. While the idea of “reading thoughts” still sounds like science fiction, Josh explains why parts of it are already real, and why recent advances in large language models have quietly accelerated progress in this space.In this episode of In The Blink of AI, Georgie Healy sits down with Josh to unpack how brain computer interfaces actually work, what separates invasive implants like Neuralink from noninvasive approaches such as EEG, and why the hardest challenges are not ethical or philosophical but technical. They explore the twin problems of noisy hardware and radically different brains, and what it would take for neural decoding to become reliable enough for clinical and everyday use.The conversation stretches beyond medicine into the future of communication itself. From experience transfer and lucid dreaming headsets to brain wearables that could track attention, presence, and mental fatigue, Josh shares a clear-eyed view of what might be possible and what should give us pause. If you’re curious about where human cognition and artificial intelligence truly begin to blur, this episode offers a grounded look at what’s coming and why it matters.In the Blink of AI is made possible by our wonderful partnersDeelFounders scale faster on Deel. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, and get visas handled fast, so you stay focused on scaling. Deel takes care of onboarding, HR, IT, EOR, benefits, and compliance, so your team can grow without borders.It’s why more than 37,000 fast-growing companies trust Deel to move fast.Book a free 30-min demo https://www.deel.com/dayone✨ Connect with Georgie HealyLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georginahealy/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/georgina_healy/Twitter: https://x.com/georgina__healy?lang=enThe Day One NetworkIn The Blink of AI is part of Day One, the podcast network dedicated to founders, operators & investors.Sign up to get your weekly insights into the up-and-coming AI startups: https://dayone.fm/newsletterMentioned in this episode:Stripe StartupsFor early-stage, venture-backed founders – Stripe Startups is where to start. Enrol in the program and receive access to credits on Stripe fees, expert insights, and a focused community of other founders building on Stripe. Apply for Stripe Startups at dayone.fm/stripeStripe Ad_Nov 2025_02Vanta Ad_BAI Jul25Vanta Ad_BAI Jul25Vanta Ad_BAI Jul25