

School of War
The Free Press
In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war.
Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
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Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
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Dec 7, 2021 • 32min
Ep. 8: H.W. Brands on the Patriots and the Loyalists
BiographyH.W, Brands is the Jack S. Blanton Sr. Chair in History at the University of Texas at Austin, where he earned his doctorate in history. He is the author of thirty books, including two which have been nominated for the Pulitzer Prize: The First American and Traitor to His Class. His latest book, released November 9, is Our First Civil War: Patriots and Loyalists in the American Revolution. Times
01:51- Introduction
07:36 - The sidelining of the Loyalists in American history and memory
12:53 - Individual decisions in the context of the Revolutionary War
18:42 - The Indian population and Joseph Brant
23:20 - The decision to rebel
Recorded on November 9, 2021

Nov 30, 2021 • 45min
Ep. 7: John McManus on the U.S. Army in the Pacific during World War II
BiographyJohn McManus is the Curators' Distinguished Professor of U.S. military history at the Missouri University of Science and Technology. McManus completed his doctorate in military history at the University of Tennessee and is the author of more than a dozen books. His latest, Island Infernos: The US Army's Pacific War Odyssey, 1944, is the second installment of a trilogy detailing the U.S. Army's role in the Pacific theater during World War II.Times
01:12 - Introduction
03:38 - Misperceptions of the Army and Marines in Guadalcanal
08:44 - The Army's role in the Pacific
12:46 - Geography of the Pacific and dividing the theater between General Douglas MacArthur and Admiral Chester Nimitz
18:30 - Island hopping and the turning point in the Pacific theater
22:26 - The infantry's experience in combat
23:52 - The Pearl Harbor Conference and the endgame of war in the Pacific
31:55 - General Joseph Stilwell and China
38:39 - Prisoners of War in Japan
41:32 - The legacy of the War in the Pacific
Recorded November 23, 2021

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Nov 23, 2021 • 41min
Ep. 6: Frank Ledwidge on Airpower
Frank Ledwidge, a senior fellow at the Royal Air Force College and expert in military history, dives into the transformative role of airpower. He discusses its pivotal evolution from World War I skepticism to a key military strategy in WWII. Key insights include the chilling impact of strategic bombings and the legacy of contested air raids, such as the Chinese embassy incident. Ledwidge also explores the implications of air warfare today and its intriguing transition into space, highlighting the urgent need for innovative strategies in an evolving battlefield.

Nov 16, 2021 • 36min
Ep. 5: Wayne Hsieh on Robert E. Lee
BiographyWayne Hsieh is a history professor at the United States Naval Academy. He served on the State Department's provincial reconstruction team in Iraq from 2008 to 2009 and is the recipient of multiple awards and honors, including the Army's Commander's Award for Civilian Service and the State Department's Meritorious Honors Award. Hsieh is the author of numerous articles and the co-author of The Savage War: A Military History of the Civil War. Times
01:17 - Introduction
06:50 - Hostility toward studying Robert E. Lee
12:50 - Lee and West Point
15:18 - Senior leadership of Confederate and Union armies at West Point
17:17 - Lee's job as a junior officer in the Army Corps of Engineers
19:17 - Lee's rise during the Mexican War
23:27 - Ulysses Grant
26:21 - Stereotypes and temperaments of Civil War leaders
31:50 - What drives Lee's tactical decision-making
34:07 - Lee's strategic mistake
Recorded October 6, 2021

Nov 9, 2021 • 44min
Ep. 4: Sean McMeekin on Stalin and World War II
Biography Sean McMeekin is a professor and historian who focuses on early 20th century Europe. In addition to his latest book, Stalin's War: A New History of World War II, McMeekin is the author of The Russian Revolution: A New History, July 1914: Countdown to War, and The Ottoman Endgame: War, Revolution, and the Making of the Modern Middle East, 1908 - 1923, as well as several other books. McMeekin currently serves as the Francis Flournoy Professor of European History at Bard College in New York.Times
02:02 - Introduction
05:35 - The American understanding of Russia and Joseph Stalin in World War II
09:12 - Politics and Stalin's legacy
11:37 - Stalin's foreign policy prior to WWII
17:40 - Stalin secures the Japanese non-aggression pact
24:03 - The Soviets push for a war between Japan and the United States
27:29 - Harry Hopkins and the Lend-Lease Policy
33:58 - Stalin as an ally
37:17 - Demanding unconditional surrender
40:16 - Debate over what compelled the Japanese to surrender
42:03 - Reception of Stalin's War
Recorded October 6, 2021

Nov 2, 2021 • 36min
Ep. 3: Andrew Roberts on King George III
BiographyAndrew Roberts is a professor, author, and military historian. He's written or edited nearly 20 books, including biographies of Sir Winston Churchill and Napoleon, as well as his latest title, The Last King of America: The Misunderstood Reign of George III. Roberts is a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, and the War Studies Department at King’s College, London. Times
03:02- Introduction
04:05 - Why King George?
06:20 - How Britain wages war
13:39 - Party and class politics
15:44 - Britain's military strategy during the Revolutionary War
19:10 - Comparisons between the Revolution and World War II
20:30 - Fabian strategy in the Revolution
23:15 - George III's role in the War
25:52 - Forming new regiments
28:01 - What the British learn from their defeat
31:32 - Modern American portrayals of King George III
33:23 - Critiquing King George III's leadership and performance
Recorded September 17, 2021

Oct 26, 2021 • 43min
Ep. 2: Daniel Bolger on Maurice Rose
BiographyDaniel Bolger is a retired Lieutenant General of the United States Army. A graduate of the Citadel, Lt. General Bolger earned five bronze stars during his time in the military. He served as the commander of several units, including the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood, Texas, as well as the NATO Training Mission in Afghanistan. He earned a Ph.D. in military history form the University of Chicago and currently teaches at North Carolina State University.Times
02:04 - Introduction
03:15 - Why Maurice Rose?
06:30 - What we know about Rose
10:39 - Rose's Motivations and relentless leadership
12:31 - Tank divisions in World War II
17:14 - Tank warfare following D-Day and maneuvering through the bocages
22:29 - Rose's command in the Battle of the Falaise Pocket
27:06 - Exhaustion and perseverance during battle
29:55 - What it takes to be a successful commander
34:07 - The final months of the War for Rose
40:09 - Leadership in today's forces
Recorded August 27, 2021

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Oct 19, 2021 • 44min
Ep. 1: H.R. McMaster on the Gulf War
BiographyH. R. McMaster is the Fouad and Michelle Ajami Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution. He was the 26th assistant to the president for National Security Affairs. He is a graduate of the United States Military Academy and served as a commissioned officer in the United States Army for thirty-four years before retiring as a Lieutenant General in June 2018.He is the author of Battlegrounds: The Fight to Defend the Free World and Dereliction of Duty: Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Lies that Led to Vietnam. Times
03:10 - Introduction
04:02 - Biography
06:35 - Leading Eagle Troop
08:16 - Post Cold War preparation for Desert Shield and Desert Storm
15:17 - The Battle of the 73 Easting
23:17 - Advantages of the American military
26:12 - Overconfidence in American military dominance
29:16 - China's reaction to the Gulf War and technological development
32:30 - China's tactics
35:04 - The Biden administration's withdrawal from Afghanistan
Recorded August 31, 2021

Oct 6, 2021 • 2min
Trailer
An introduction to the podcast 'School of War' hosted by Aaron McClain. Highlights the importance of learning from war and previews the topics covered in future episodes.


