

School of War
The Free Press
In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war.
Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
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Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
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May 10, 2022 • 36min
Ep 28: Wesley Morgan on Afghanistan, Part 1 of 2
Ep 28: Wesley Morgan on AfghanistanWesley Morgan, journalist and author of The Hardest Place: The American Military Adrift in Afghanistan's Pech Valley, joins the show to discuss his experiences in the Pech Valley, one of Afghanistan’s most contested battlegrounds, and to talk about the U.S. counterinsurgency’s successes and failures. This episode is part 1 of 2.Times
02:52 Introduction
04:28 From Princeton to The Pech
07:25 The Age Dynamic
09:46 Fighting Styles In Helmand Province
12:42 The Episodic Nature Of Fighting In Afghanistan
13:42 The Terrain Of The Pech Valley
17:11 Seeking Bin Laden In Kunar
18:43 Kafiristan - Daniel Dravot’s Dream
20:27 Special Forces - A Tool For Every Task
24:21 The Role Of Seal Team Six and Delta Force
29:36 Seeking The Enemy
31:23 Who Was The Enemy In The Pech?
33:58 The Timber Mafia

May 3, 2022 • 57min
Ep 27: Fred Kagan on Ukraine II
Ep 27: Fred Kagan on Ukraine IIFred Kagan, Senior Fellow and Director of Critical Threats Project at AEI, joins the show to discuss where the war in Ukraine stands, how initial Russian designs failed, and where the conflict is headed.Times
02:14 Introduction
03:22 Accurate Predictions
06:45 The Baffling Russian Attack on Kyiv
08:36 A River Runs Through…The Russian Plan
10:22 Operational Design 101
13:22 Back To Basics - Reading Terrain Still Matters
16:33 Russian Objectives In The East
21:51 Russian Command And Control
26:29 Ukrainian Strikes On Senior Russian Officers
28:38 Russian Objectives In The South
33:06 Putin Still Seeking Total Victory?
36:42 Russian Game-plan For The South Coast
39:18 Transnistria
42:27 False Flags - Putin’s Comfort Zone
44:01 Moldovan Capabilities
47:46 Force Is A Kind Of Failure
50:47 Putin’s Options
54:48 Deterrence And Nuclear Taboos
Ukraine Maps 05/02/2022 per ISW

Apr 26, 2022 • 1h 3min
Ep 26: Andrew Lambert on the Crimean War
Ep 26: Andrew Lambert on the Crimean War Andrew Lambert, Laughton Professor of Naval History in the Department of War Studies, King's College, joins the show to discuss the Crimean War, including why it shouldn’t have been called by that name. Professor Lambert also explains the relevance of the Crimean War to today’s war in Ukraine.Times • 01:28 Introduction• 02:20 Causes of the Crimean War• 07:57 Flashpoint in the Holy Land• 12:31 Steamships and Strategy• 16:34 Functional Dysfunction in Policymaking• 21:44 Why Target Sevastopol?• 26:44 What Went Wrong• 31:47 The Press and Public Opinion• 36:31 Reading Events Incorrectly • 38:57 The Baltic Campaign• 45:30 Mahan and Corbett Interpret the War• 48:39 Ukraine War - An Echo of the Crimean War• 55:34 Can Russia Re-Integrate Into The Global Community? • 58:32 Will Putin Use Tactical Nuclear Weapons?

Apr 12, 2022 • 45min
Ep. 25: Waller Newell on Putin and Tyranny
Waller Newell, Professor of Political Science and Philosophy at Carleton University, joins the show to discuss tyranny and tyrants—and Vladimir Putin in particular. Times
02:05 Introduction
03:43 Let's talk about Vladimir Putin
05:40 What is the Russian "Soul"?
07:19 Quote from "The Russian Idea"
08:40 Who was Nikolai Berdyaev?
09:54 Is Berdyaev an influence on Aleksandr Dugin?
11:05 The West has a hard time understanding non-economic motivations. Why?
13:06 Who is Aleksandr Dugin?
15:21 “Eurasian Nationalist Bolshevism”
16:55 Rehabilitating Stalin
18:40 Are we seeing a perpetuation of Tsarist Russia?
20:40 What is fascism?
22:35 The many types of tyranny
25:12 What kind of tyrant is Putin?
26:50 Why has millenarian tyranny appeared so relatively recently in history?
29:51 The relationship between liberalism and millenarian tyranny
31:25 The next ten years in Russia
34:00 Did Putin know what he was getting himself into in Ukraine?
35:36 The prospect of Russian and Chinese collaboration in the future
36:55 Who drives Chinese policy - Xi Jinping or the Chinese Communist Party?
38:56 Staying sane while studying tyrants
42:10 What should we be reading to better recognize hostile actors for what they are?

Apr 5, 2022 • 39min
Ep. 24: Richard Overy on World War II
Richard Overy, professor of history at the University of Exeter, joins the show to discuss World War II and the wars of imperial aggression.Times
02:23 - Introduction
04:24 - Imperialism prior to World War II
06:00 - Nations as empires
08:32 -Traditional imperialism versus the Axis Powers' concept
11:02 - Who is Halford Mackinder?
13:14 - The development of Germany's vision of empire
14:36 - German war aims in World War I and World War II
17:02 - Germany and the East
22:16 - The Japanese vision of empire
25:01 - How Japan modernization
26:33 - Japan's methods of rule
27:50 - American and the USSR
34:06 - World War II book recommendations

Mar 29, 2022 • 42min
Ep. 23: James Holmes on Sea Power
James Holmes, the J.C. Wylie Chair of Maritime Strategy at the Naval War College, joins the show to discuss sea power, the war in Ukraine, and the possibility of war in the Pacific Times
00:58 - Introduction
01:57 - Time spent considering Russia and the NATO alliance’s naval power
04:05 - Russian President Vladimir Putin’s grand strategy
05:35 - What does Ukraine mean to Putin?
06:58 - The Crimean War
10:32 - Closing the Bosporus
16:15 - Does the war end well for Putin?
21:28 - Zelensky’s survival
23:12 - Worst-case scenario for Putin
25:43 - What the outcome in Ukraine will mean for Taiwan
28:35 - China’s challenge in Taiwan
31:02 - How security concerns in the early American Republic influence China’s thinking
35:25 - Should the United States shift national security focus to Asia?

Mar 23, 2022 • 49min
Ep. 22: Jeremy Black on Tank Warfare
Jeremy Black, a Professor of History at the University of Exeter and military history author, dives into the fascinating evolution of tank warfare. He explores the initial creation of tanks and their critical role in WWII, particularly during Blitzkrieg tactics. The discussion extends to the Soviet Union's strategies in Finland and the impact of armored technology in the Arab-Israeli wars. Additionally, Black analyzes Russia's current military tactics in Ukraine and debates the future relevance of tanks in modern warfare.

Mar 16, 2022 • 37min
Ep. 21: Matthew Kroenig on Ukraine and Putin’s Nuclear Weapons
Matthew Kroenig, Professor in the Department of Government and Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University and Director of Studies at the Atlantic Council, joins the show to discuss Russian nuclear doctrine and what it means for the war in Ukraine.Times
00:49 - Introduction
01:07 - Forecasting Russia's potential gains in Ukraine
02:45 - The nuclear dimension in Ukraine
05:05 - Russian nuclear doctrine: escalate to de-escalate
10:52 - Potential U.S. responses to Russian nuclear strikes on NATO allies
12:54 - Perceptions of nuclear weapons, from the Cold War to now
15:46 - Battlefield nuclear tactics
18:32 - Russian thinking on employing chemical weapons
21:05 - U.S. nuclear weapons policy
25:44 - Scenarios when Russia would use nuclear weapons
27:16 - Putin's rationale and next steps
29:21 - Russian strikes and potential fault lines in Western unity
32:30 - U.S. reliance on Russia's brokerage of a nuclear deal with Iran

Mar 9, 2022 • 55min
Ep. 20: Bill Roggio on Ukraine
Ep. 20: Bill Roggio on UkraineBill Roggio, senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and editor of the Long War Journal, joins the show to discuss the Russian invasion of Ukraine.01:10 - Introduction7:32 - Assessing Russian objectives in Ukraine13:25 - Russian shortfalls23:12 - Limits on Russian resources28:37 - Does the lack of preparation hurt Russian troops?32:21 - No fly zones38:36 - Escalation scenarios43:00 - Prospects for insurgency 49:32 - How does this end?

Mar 3, 2022 • 45min
Ep. 19: Fred Kagan on Ukraine
Fred Kagan, Director of Critical Threats Project at AEI, joins the show to discuss the first week of Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.Times:00:42 - Introduction 01:40 - The situation at present06:39 - Nature of original build-up of Russian forces14:50 - Russian strategic and operational style17:47 - Lack of political preparation20:44 - Putin's background24:22 - Will Russia win?30:14 - What are Putin's weaknesses?34:20 - What happens next if Kyiv falls?39:41 - Impact on American national security


