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The Free Press
In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war.
Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
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Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
Visit our Substack for episode transcripts
Follow along on Instagram
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Dec 11, 2024 • 52min
Ep 164: Mark Dubowitz on Syria’s Collapse
Mark Dubowitz, CEO of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and a Middle East security expert, dives into the collapse of Assad's regime. He discusses the rising influence of Syrian rebels and the implications for Israel and Iran. Mark highlights the challenges posed by extremist groups and analyzes the precarious balance of power in the region. He emphasizes the need for a strong U.S. strategy regarding Iran’s nuclear ambitions while underscoring the fragile state of regional dynamics amid renewed conflicts.

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Dec 10, 2024 • 1h 18min
Ep 163: School of War Goes to Israel—Lessons from a Savage Year
Yishai Ben Zion, an Israeli officer with combat experience against Hezbollah, and Sarit Zehavi, a Lieutenant Colonel in the IDF reserves directing the Alma Center, share vital insights. They delve into Hezbollah's tactics, the complexities of ceasefire negotiations, and Israel's military strategies in response to persistent threats. Discussions also highlight the emotional toll on soldiers and local communities amidst ongoing conflict. Listeners gain a deeper understanding of the precarious balance between military operations and civilian safety in Israel's northern front.

Dec 6, 2024 • 29min
Ep 162: Michael Leggiere on Military History on Campus
Michael Leggiere, Professor of Humanities at the University of Florida and editor of War Studies Journal 1, joins the show to discuss the sad state of military history in higher education.▪️Times • 01:17 Introduction • 02:48 Military history in academia • 03:53 PME • 05:22 What is “new” military history? • 11:55 “History shouldn’t be a mystery” • 17:55 The Journal • 20:45 Suggested pieces • 24:32 Napoleon • 26:58 LeeFollow along on Instagram or YouTube @SchoolofWarPodcastFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

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Dec 3, 2024 • 49min
Ep 161: Mackenzie Eaglen on China’s Military Spending and Ours
Mackenzie Eaglen, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and an expert in defense strategy and budgets, delves into the stark realities of U.S. military funding. She highlights the alarming gap between China's reported and actual defense spending, stressing its implications for U.S. military readiness. Eaglen also discusses the critical need for strategic responses to China's advancements and the long-term impacts of budget constraints on national security and education. Her insights reveal the urgent necessity for the U.S. to modernize its defense approach.

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Nov 26, 2024 • 59min
Ep 160: Thomas Barfield on Empire and Imperial Strategies Today
Thomas Barfield, a renowned anthropologist and author, shares his insights on imperial strategies and the historical dynamics of empires. He discusses the complexities of Afghan politics and the clash between American assumptions and local realities. Barfield examines the governance structures of different empires, highlighting their unique approaches to authority. He also explores the evolution of imperial strategies, the impact of nostalgia on political power, and how America's maritime legacy shapes current global dynamics, particularly in relation to China.

Nov 19, 2024 • 45min
Ep 159: Rebeccah Heinrichs on the Morality of Nuclear Weapons
Rebeccah Heinrichs, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and author of Duty to Deter: American Nuclear Deterrence and the Just War Doctrine, joins the show to make the moral argument for why the United States should modernize and grow its nuclear arsenal. ▪️Times • 01:15 Introduction • 01:48 A net good • 04:50 Tactical nuclear weapons • 10:25 The argument of disarmament • 14:03 Cold War strategy • 19:53 Capability and will • 26:06 Downside of “no first use” • 32:03 The nuclear triad • 37:20 Russia and China • 40:56 The moral argumentWatch today’s episode on YouTube @SchoolofWarPodcastFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Nov 12, 2024 • 48min
Ep 158: Randall Schriver and Dan Blumenthal on an Economic Strategy for China
Randall Schriver, Chairman of the Board at The Project 2049 Institute, and Dan Blumenthal, senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, join the show to discuss a road map for economic competition—and warfare—between the U.S. and China. ▪️Times • 01:55 Introduction • 02:30 Planning for economic warfare • 06:27 Endstate • 10:18 Leadership • 12:21 NSDD • 14:59 Starting points • 17:10 Decoupling • 20:03 Where is the stuff coming from? • 23:50 Degrading the Chinese economy • 27:33 A dream of cooperation • 32:17 Slow the growth • 36:08 Wargaming • 41:41 Protraction • 44:49 International and Congressional concernsClick the link to read the report - DEFEATING THE CCP A RUNNING STARTFollow along on Instagram or YouTube @SchoolofWarPodcastFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Nov 8, 2024 • 1h 27min
Ep 157: Frank Cohn—Veterans Day Special
Watch this episode on YouTube. Frank Cohn joins the show to talk about his life: fleeing Hitler’s Germany, his return as a U.S. soldier tasked with hunting Nazi’s, his service in Vietnam, and more.▪️Times • 01:55 Introduction • 02:15 A Nazi in the classroom • 05:47 Martin and Ruth • 17:35 Leaving Germany • 19:22 New York City • 22:50 Pearl Harbor • 30:47 Back to Europe • 35:30 Nazi Hunter • 39:48 POW for a moment • 42:32 The Dutch lady • 50:40 Camps • 52:30 Crossing the Elbe • 59:20 Interrogations • 01:05:40 Paying back the country • 01:08:51 Paula • 01:14:50 Military Police and Vietnam • 01:18:40 Angus • 01:21:12 LessonsFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

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Nov 5, 2024 • 44min
Ep 156: Nicholas Eberstadt on North Koreans in Russia
Nicholas Eberstadt, Henry Wendt Chair in Political Economy at the American Enterprise Institute, joins the show to discuss the North Korean regime and the geopolitical impact of its decision to send troops to support Russia in Ukraine.▪️Times • 01:36 Introduction • 01:49 Finding North Korea • 04:00 The Sung dynasty • 09:24 Beijing and Moscow • 14:43 Kim Jong Il • 22:14 Mackinder’s World-Island • 26:29 Interconnected • 33:18 Why commit to Russia? • 36:55 Limited imaginations • 39:03 New differencesFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Oct 29, 2024 • 55min
Ep 155: Nick Lloyd on World War I’s Eastern Front
Nick Lloyd, Professor of Modern Warfare at King's College London and author of 'The Eastern Front: A History of the Great War, 1914-1918,' dives into the critical yet often overlooked Eastern Front of World War I. He discusses the significance of the Battle of Tannenberg, revealing its strategies and the chaos within the Russian army. Lloyd explores the impact of munitions shortages on Russia's war effort, the collapse of their forces leading to revolution, and Lenin's dramatic return, challenging the very fabric of the war and reshaping geopolitics.


