Next Comes What

Trump's immigration policies may be echoing Nazi history, but that doesn't mean there's nothing we can do about it. Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer's Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What and get Andrea's posts first: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe Read the post that inspired this episode: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/when-bad-things-get-worse TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews This week's episode tracks the administration's shift in immigration enforcement as the power given to Border Patrol expands. Andrea walks listeners through the origins of and tactics used by Border Patrol and ICE in recent decades, as well as the ways unstable leadership and a lack of accountability have shaped their evolution. She turns to a conversation that she had last December with immigration expert Aaron Reichlin-Melnick in which he laid out the two paths detention and deportation would likely take in the new administration: one in which Tom Homan became ascendant, the other in which Stephen Miller took charge. Andrea notes that the Miller approach seems to have gained the upper hand for now, and it's far more dangerous for Americans across the board. Diving into Nazi history, she outlines the way that an abusive law-and-order model for governing was defeated by the reign-of-terror concentration-camp model, and sees the U.S. as now moving more fully into the latter mode. But she points out that even if you failed to imagine how quickly U.S. guardrails would give way to expanding violence against civilians, you don't have to let that earlier failure of imagination keep you from thinking of ways to protect yourself and others. The episode closes with mutual aid actions that can help those most affected, as well as thoughts on preemptively closing some doors to immigrant enforcement operations.

Saturday's NO KINGS is the beginning of a movement. Thoughts on what it means and where we go from here. Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer's Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What and get Andrea's posts first: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe Read the post that inspired this episode: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/what-just-happened Watch this episode: https://youtu.be/-ozqcCEtRRc?si=nyvG3tY3-UGofGEd TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews This week, Andrea Pitzer looks at the October 18 No Kings marches and rallies nationwide and jumps into what seven million people showing up means for the country. She narrates the Saturday march from Arlington National Cemetery across the Memorial Bridge into DC and along the National Mall. Along the way, she talks to demonstrators, members of the National Guard stationed in the District, and DC cops. She recaps surveys of those who showed up and what matters to them, including data from Dana Fisher* and some great points made this week in a conversation between Erica Chenoweth and Steven Levitsky.** Addressing why police departments around the country put out press releases, Andrea wonders if—for their own reasons—they're trying to create some distance between themselves and the administration. She also reviews how shook the White House was by No Kings. Different people will play different roles in mass protests, and they may diverge even more in their approaches as mass protests become a mass movement. Andrea considers how this range of experiences, goals, and tactics can be a strength, rather than something that deepens conflict. And as always, at the end, she reviews ways to think about and take action in the moment, to push back against authoritarianism. * Fisher's topline data from Saturday is now available here: https://danarfisher.com/2025/10/23/nokings-2-0-brings-joyful-resistance-across-the-us/ ** You can see the whole conversation between Chenoweth and Levitsky in The Breakdown from the Ash Center: https://youtube.com/live/dqoSPLEK2Mg?si=C1f53eivbGGV2Pm3

Our society is descending deeper and deeper into authoritarianism, but hitting the streets this weekend is a good way to push back. Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer's Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What and get Andrea's posts first: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe Read the post that inspired this episode: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/the-opposite-of-complicity Watch this episode: https://youtu.be/DeOVwwATutg TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews This week's episode looks at the US crisis and how protest plays a key role in demanding a more accountable democracy. Andrea Pitzer considers the many ways that the administration is trying to suppress dissent. By calling the demonstrators terrorists, America haters, and supporters of Hamas, Trump's allies are trying to intimidate those who oppose them. But they're also revealing just how frightened they are. The government's response to inflatable frog and unicorn costumes, impromptu marching bands, and at least one naked bike ride has made them look ludicrous, and helps to expose the violence our expanding police state is unleashing on its own people. Andrea explores what protests are doing right now in the country, and what they have the potential to do. She addresses the limits and failures of democratic movements as well, with a nod to why it's crucial for you to get involved right now if you can. She covers how to take action if disability or your personal risk level makes it inadvisable or even impossible to march. Looking at recent research on the power of popular protest and at the risks of backsliding into authoritarianism, Andrea explains how developing communities of public dissent and mutual aid can help not only in building real democracy, but holding all leaders accountable going forward.

Public apathy is a greater danger to the country than actual oppression in this moment. As our first anniversary approaches, we've gathered the most important bits from the debut year of "Next Comes What." Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer's Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What and get Andrea's posts first: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe Read the post that inspired this episode: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/state-of-the-degenerate-union Watch this episode: https://youtu.be/RTsu0EG5LYQ Follow us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@degenerateartnews Nearly a year since the 2024 election and the start of "Next Comes What," Andrea Pitzer brings together the most critical parts of what she's shared so far on the podcast. She begins with a look back at the first post-election episode, and predictions she made about how 20th-century events in Chile, Germany, and Russia were likely to repeat here in the U.S. Offering a mea culpa for her biggest misstep, Andrea gives a state of our degenerate union today, considering where things stand with the Courts, Congress, the executive branch, our institutions, and the people. Pulling together success stories from at home and abroad, she considers how both overreach and resistance are likely to unfold from here. In closing, Andrea reminds listeners about the upcoming October 18 "No Kings" events and provides specific paths to action going forward.

If you aren't sure what you stand for, you're going to get played. Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer's Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What and get Andrea's posts first: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe Read the post that inspired this episode: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/you-don-t-have-to-swallow-frogs Watch this episode: https://youtu.be/yVS10nrdWu8?si=okUVNHwIpOe98aTF This week, Andrea Pitzer considers the recent conversation between New York Times columnist Ezra Klein and author Ta-Nehisi Coates, and what it means for all of us as American authoritarianism expands. The two men shared very different thoughts about what the moment requires, including their doubts about each other's approach. Andrea summarizes the talk and suggests that Coates's emphasis on history and his intellectual heritage offers more possibilities for avoiding paralysis in the moment. She worries that Klein's willingness to barter away protection of some vulnerable populations leads to a lost state in which it becomes impossible to stand for anything. Sharing a Czeslaw Milosz quote about a man who rationally convinces himself to swallow live frogs, Andrea suggests that Klein has lost sight of the fact that doing something unpleasant isn't the same as doing something effective. She closes with thoughts on how you can find your own moral or ethical center—one that might offer some clarity on how to take action today.

What if my telling you there's still time to save democracy keeps you from thinking you need to act now? Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer's Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What and get Andrea's posts first: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe Read the post that inspired this episode: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/mind-the-gap Watch this episode: https://youtu.be/YYqsM-LoYlM This week's "Next Comes What" focuses on the difference between staying on top of the administration's attacks on democracy and actually doing something to save democracy. Nearly a year into the podcast, Andrea Pitzer outlines the ways that Trump continues to overreach, even as he grows more and more unpopular. The federal government is in the process of hiring people who seem willing to assault Americans (documented and not) on the streets. Yet it doesn't have enough of them to silence the majority of Americans who oppose Trump. Now is the time to act. But Andrea wonders whether constantly telling listeners that there are still actions they can take is too reassuring. Do people get lulled into thinking things will just be fine, and they don't need to stand up? In the last week, a Congressional candidate, a Chicago pastor, and elected officials have faced attack or arrest by law enforcement agents ostensibly carrying out immigration operations. But what most of us need to do in our communities is nothing nearly that heroic. Andrea looks at rising food insecurity and ways we can tackle the effects of immigration detention and tariffs close to home. She closes with a look at a study by university researchers who suggest that most U-turns—even those that radically reorient a country toward authoritarianism—wind up leading to greater democracy in the end. Authoritarian U-turns are often followed by counter-shifts that reverse the harms and result in the growth of democratic rights and institutions. But one key to these reversals is that they need to happen quickly. It's up to us to go to work in our communities today checking Trump's power and rebuilding our freedoms.

It only takes a few bad men to ruin scientific progress for everyone. Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer's Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What and read Andrea's posts first: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe Read the post that inspired this episode: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/bad-medicine This week's episode covers how RFK Jr. and Donald Trump are rejecting science and data to eliminate competing authorities in government. Andrea Pitzer looks to the past for the ways that science and scientists have been used to further dictatorial regimes. Touching on the example of Einstein, she addresses how his work was dismissed as Jewish science, and the Nazi tactics that eventually forced him into exile. She also considers the converse situation, when Joseph Stalin lifted up Trofim Lysenko, who rejected genetics in favor of unsound theories of agriculture. Soviet promotion of Lysenko's ideas led to a rejection of science and countless deaths, a situation with many looming parallels in RFK Jr.'s attacks on vaccines today. Andrea considers how destroying public science helps aspiring and established authoritarians create their own mythic realities and forces their constituents to live in an alternate world, where all information and benefits flow directly from the leader. While Trump and his allies are deep in the process of enriching themselves and garnering more power, the president insists on rejecting facts on the ground at every turn. Andrea ends the episode with talking about ways you can help make sure your community accesses the health resources it needs, and offers some specific suggestions for fostering scientific reality close to home for kids and adults alike.

DC shows how to push back against a government clamping down on vulnerable Americans, and how to stand up for what we believe in. Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer's Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What and read Andrea's posts first: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe Read the post that inspired this episode: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/what-do-you-stand-for [This week's episode was recorded before Charlie Kirk's assassination, so you'll find only one reference to it in a brief clip here. But Andrea Pitzer will cover it further in her written post on Friday for Degenerate Art: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/.] This week, Andrea considers the value of letting others know what you stand for and building community together, in public. She outlines the ways that the preemptive caving we've seen from corporations, universities, and local governments is a response to the government's own vice signaling, which needs to be opposed. Narrating her afternoon at the "We Are All DC" march in Malcolm X Park in DC last weekend, Andrea describes the many groups that showed up and the ways people found to show what matters to them. She addresses the symbolic value of Sandwich Guy's actions in August, which happened just a few blocks away. Pointing out that the mushy middle can never be represented by politicians looking to court that sector for votes, because it doesn't stand for anything, Andrea talks about the role of everyday people in establishing ethical norms for the country. It's possible to use virtue signaling as a spur to action and set an agenda for a new and true American democracy.

Journalism is reverting to a pre-kindergarten state in the face of Trumpism, but we can still get the word out. Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer's Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What and read Andrea's posts first: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe Read the post that inspired this episode: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/see-no-evil This week's episode considers how coverage of Trump's second administration by journalists and public intellectuals is failing Americans on an institutional level. Andrea Pitzer walks through recent coverage that refuses to analyze the framework offered by the president for sending the National Guard to DC. Flashing back to her years teaching martial arts and self defense, she explains how she coached pre-kindergartners to "spot the con" in dangerous situations, even though their minds weren't yet developed enough to be able to rely on abstract thinking to connect the dots on a higher level. She laments how some veteran journalists appear to be afflicted with the same limitations today. Sharing historical examples of betrayals by journalists who refused to see what was happening right before their eyes, she describes Soviet writer Maxim Gorky's betrayal of concentration camp detainees held at the Solovetsky Islands in 1929, and the passive collaboration of Walter Lippmann and other journalists with the whitewashing of correspondent George Polk's death in Greece in 1948. Criticizing the response made by Semafor's Ben Smith to a question about whether democracy is currently in danger, Andrea runs through a whole series of examples in which the press seems to be willfully blind to the present threat. The episode closes with a list of news outlets that are meeting the moment and need support, as well as some concrete ways listeners can themselves get the word out to their fellow Americans.

A look at the ways that lives of tyrants come to an end, and how that might shape what you should be doing now. Watch this episode: https://youtu.be/t0Trm8k1lgc?si=mZGNVV8-UrAB-PdX Read the post that inspired this episode: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/p/when-trump-is-gone Subscribe to Andrea Pitzer's Degenerate Art newsletter to support Next Comes What and read Andrea's posts first: https://degenerateart.beehiiv.com/subscribe This week, Andrea Pitzer looks at Trump's recent signs of mental and physical decline and addresses the long history of authoritarians hiding infirmity and the resulting costs of their deception. She considers how the last Shah of Iran misled nearly everyone about his cancer, destabilizing his country, the Middle East, and a U.S. election in the wake of his lies. Andrea recalls officials' obsequiousness toward a series of late-Soviet leaders from Brezhnev to Chernenko, and the comic ways that leaders have lied to the nation. As Trump continues to dismantle so much of what's good about the U.S., with old outrages grinding on while new ones seem to arrive hourly, running from crisis to crisis can feel like using a thimble full of water to put out a forest fire. Considering the Miccosukee people of Florida's recent victory against the concentration camp in the Everglades, Andrea uses their focus on their values and their way of life to suggest an approach for people nationwide to find meaningful and effective paths to respond to Trumpism. One day, he'll be gone. What do you want to bring into being in the world that will outlast him?