This Machine Kills
This Machine Kills
A podcast about technology and political economy /// Agitprop against innovation and capital /// Hosted by Jathan Sadowski and Edward Ongweso Jr., Produced by Jereme Brown /// Hello friends and enemies
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Jul 10, 2022 • 8min
Patreon Preview - 175. Why the Electrical Vehicle Won’t Save Us (ft. Paris Marx)
Paris Marx is back for part two of our discussion about their new book Road to Nowhere: What Silicon Valley Gets Wrong About the Future of Transportation. This time we dig deeper into the winding history of the electric vehicle and why today’s model of electrification without collectivization is not going to solve our problems—just cause new ones.
••• Road to Nowhere | Paris Marx: https://www.versobooks.com/books/3995-road-to-nowhere
••• Follow Paris: https://twitter.com/parismarx
••• Listen to Tech Won’t Save Us: https://twitter.com/techwontsaveus
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jul 7, 2022 • 1h 14min
174. Pedal to the Metal (ft. Paris Marx)
Dear friend of the show, Paris Marx, has an excellent new book just out from Verso called Road to Nowhere: What Silicon Valley Gets Wrong About the Future of Transportation. Paris is back on the show to dive into the book’s historical, grounded, critical analysis with us. This is part 1, with part 2 coming out on the patreon feed later this week.
••• Road to Nowhere | Paris Marx: https://www.versobooks.com/books/3995-road-to-nowhere
••• Follow Paris: https://twitter.com/parismarx
••• Listen to Tech Won’t Save Us: https://twitter.com/techwontsaveus
Subscribe to hear more analysis and commentary in our premium episodes every week! patreon.com/thismachinekills
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jul 4, 2022 • 6min
Patreon Preview – 173. Stabbed for 9/11 Joke
In this real chill episode, the boys get loose, lay back, and just chat. We cover dental work, drug nerds, and oh yeah, that time Jereme got stabbed in Mississippi days after 9/11 for making a joke.
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jun 30, 2022 • 1h 3min
172. Venture Capital, Chinese Style
We have a special investigation from Professor Ed, who takes us on a journey through the history and development of innovation policy and venture capital in China. We begin with the massive government Torch Program that, starting in the 1980s, set about engineering a national innovation sector on a scale never seen before. Then in the 1990s we see China begin liberalizing its markets, opening up for different forms of investment both domestic and international. But doing so in its own unique way – not in the style of structural adjustment shocks but as carefully controlled market reforms.
Some stuff we reference:
••• Steve Blank’s series on VC in China: https://steveblank.com/2013/04/10/china-the-sleeper-awakens/
••• OECD report on China’s innovation policy: https://www.oecd.org/science/inno/39177453.pdf
••• CIGI report on China’s Experience in Building a Venture Capital Sector: https://www.cigionline.org/static/documents/documents/no.248_0.pdf
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jun 27, 2022 • 5min
Patreon Preview – 171. Technology + Capital + Cities
Jathan is back from Sweden where he was giving a keynote at a smart cities conference. For this episode, Jathan delivers his keynote here — “State-as-a-Platform” – Sovereignty and Capital in Smart Governance – which is followed by a rousing discussion about the relations between agency and structure, doom and hope, positioning and maneuvering.
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jun 24, 2022 • 1h 13min
170. Seasons in the Crypto Abyss (ft. David Gerard)
We are joined by David Gerard – longtime critic of blockchain, even before it was cool – to discuss the experience of staring into the crypto abyss and having it stare back into you.
Follow, read, and support David here:
••• Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidgerard
••• Attack of the 50 Foot Blockchain: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/book/
••• Libra Shrugged: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/libra/
••• Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/davidgerard
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jun 20, 2022 • 6min
Patreon Preview – 169. TMK BC3, Ch.10 (part 2), Dawn of Everything
We dive back into chapter 10 – Why the State Has No Origin – of The Dawn of Everything by Graeber and Wengrow. And finish up our discussion of how different forms of social power based on violence/sovereignty, information/administration, charisma/heroic politcs all come together in different combinations at different places and points, with some features exaggerated over others, to produce radically different forms of states throughout human history.
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jun 16, 2022 • 1h 15min
168. Blockchain Imperialism and the Pacific Ideology (ft. Olivier Jutel)
We’re joined by Olivier Jutel to talk about a fantastic paper he wrote on blockchain imperialism in the Pacific. We discuss how blockchain projects and crypto entrepreneurs are partnering with the US State Department and contributing to the geopolitical agenda of American hegemony. This is all part of the Pacific Ideology – a long history of treating the Pacific islands as a colonial frontier for financial extraction and testbed for experimental innovation. It’s techno-solutionism in the service of imperial soft power.
••• Read Olivier’s paper – Blockchain imperialism in the Pacific https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2053951720985249
••• And his other paper – Blockchain humanitarianism and crypto-colonialism https://www.cell.com/patterns/fulltext/S2666-3899(21)00305-6
••• Follow Oliver: https://twitter.com/OJutel
Subscribe to hear more analysis and commentary in our premium episodes every week! patreon.com/thismachinekills
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jun 12, 2022 • 10min
Patreon Preview – 167. TMK BC3, Ch.10 (part 1), Dawn of Everything
We dive into chapter 10 – Why the State Has No Origin – of The Dawn of Everything by Graeber and Wengrow. This is a massive chapter that gets deep into analyzing the features of social power and development of state institutions. We see how control of violence, control of information, and control of charisma all come together in different combinations at different places and points, with some features exaggerated over others, to produce radically different forms of states throughout human history. To really do this chapter justice, we had to break it into two parts. The second part will drop next week.
Subscribe to hear more analysis and commentary in our premium episodes every week! patreon.com/thismachinekills
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Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)

Jun 9, 2022 • 1h 19min
166. Slumlords of the Internet (ft. Ben Tarnoff)
We’re joined by Ben Tarnoff—author of Internet for the People; co-founder of Logic Magazine—to do some historical materialism on the internet. Ben has a great new book coming out that traces the political economic development of the internet, from its origins as a military network to its privatization via wholesale handover to a telecom oligopoly to its existence today as an archipelago of shopping malls run by slumlords. We then discuss why there’s an urgent need for democratizing and demarketizing the internet, what that could look like, and how the seeds of that radical change can already be found in existing projects.
••• Order Ben’s book: https://www.versobooks.com/books/3927-internet-for-the-people
••• Follow Ben: https://twitter.com/bentarnoff
••• Read Logic Magazine: https://logicmag.io/
Subscribe to hear more analysis and commentary in our premium episodes every week! patreon.com/thismachinekills
Grab fresh new TMK gear: bonfire.com/store/this-machine-kills-podcast/
Hosted by Jathan Sadowski (twitter.com/jathansadowski) and Edward Ongweso Jr. (twitter.com/bigblackjacobin). Production / Music by Jereme Brown (twitter.com/braunestahl)


