A Rational Fear

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/👕 BUY OUR MERCH HEREOn the podcast this week we are joined by fearmongers who go way back to Hungry Beast: Kirk Docker (You Can't Ask That), Kirsten Drysdale (Reputation Rehab), Lewis Hobba (Triple J) and Dan Ilic (Out Of Home Media Buyer). We're also joined by Michael Mazengarb from RenewEconomy.com.au who gives us break down on the spurious modelling behind the Australian Government's Net Zero by 2050 target that they took to COP26.On the agenda this week:Australian Podcast AwardsAlan Jones' Social NetworkDave Sharma's TyposGolden Shower Rock and RollEddie Obeid's family businessAustralia's Greatest High JumperDoes Australia's Net Zero by 2050 modelling add up? (It doesn't)CheersDan IlicHammer PurveyorPATREON 💸:If you enjoy our podcast, emails and important climate change conversations, chip in here:  www.patreon.com/arationalfear🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/👕 BUY OUR MERCH HERE  Bertha Announcement  0:00  This podcast is supported in part by the birther foundation. Good evening, Lewis.Dan Ilic  0:05  Hello. How are you?Lewis Hobba  0:06  Hello, Daniel. I'm really good. How are you?Dan Ilic  0:08  I'm really good. I'm really good. It's been a couple of weeks since we've done a podcast. I've almost forgotten how to do a podcast. I did. Yeah, it'sLewis Hobba  0:16  any consolation. No one listening to the podcast would have thought you knew what you were doing before?Dan Ilic  0:21  Well, we've had a huge bump in the ratings were about 1000 up from last month, which is huge. So there are people listening. So thank you for listening everyone. And also, I Something happened between over the last two weeks we didn't even get to talk about and that is, we have been nominated for an Australian podcast Award for Best Comedy podcasts. 2021 which is great. We're that guy for two in a row. Yeah, we go over to on the road and we I'm confused because sizzle town was there like our arch nemesis because they always won and they're not on this list. I don't know. Whatever happened to Tony mountain sizzle downLewis Hobba  0:54  Tony, Tony Martin, just that he just isn't finding anymore. After 60 years of being one of the kindest, funniest, best gentle bit of Australian comedy, he's lost it and it's canceled coach's fault. You can't do comedy anymore.Dan Ilic  1:07  Many people will say that you have replaced Tony Martin as the tall skinny guy with glasses. Yeah, they can only be one tall, skinny man with glasses in comedy isLewis Hobba  1:16  genuinely every time Tony Manon and I are in the room together. Someone will come up to us and say, Can we get a photo with the two of you? And Tony Martin is so bored of it and it brings me so much joy didn'tDan Ilic  1:27  You didn't when you didn't you cast as a young Tony Martin for Tony mountain film.Lewis Hobba  1:33  It's it's this is a bit of a long story. I'll try to cut it as quickly as possible. When I was like 23 and I was at film school. And I'd never done any performing. I just done like a little bit of stand up. I was really like supergreen happened to be at Eddie perfect engagement party. And lucky Hume the actor bailed me up at this party and started chatting. And he was like, mate, Tony Martin's a mate of mine. And you look exactly like him. You sound exactly like Tony Martin. Um, I came out and sort of my comedy heroes that is so kind of you lucky him. And he's like, you'll never believe it. Me and Tony are working on a life story of Tony Martin. Right now we're looking for a young Tony Martin, and it's got to be you. And I you could you believe how excited I was. It was genuinely the happiest night of my life. And he took my number. A week later, he sent me Tony Martin's book in the post and he's like, this is the book, learn it. We're gonna be hearing this is like, you got to learn this so that when you retire in the same room, you're ready to go right. Then I heard nothing more about. And then six months later, I happened to be a cookie bar in Melbourne, and bumped into Tony Martin. And I'm like, and I went up to him like, hey, sorry, my name is Louis. We haven't met but I'm a big fan. And we're talking for about five minutes. And then he goes Wait, you're Louis haba right. Yeah, I am. He goes like he told me about you. And I was like, oh yeah. He told me about the project. How's it going? He's like, Oh, like he's full of shit. That's not going anywhere. My youngDan Ilic  3:03  Shatta Wale things that are going some places I will do want to say a big big hello to the Big Creek community podcast Candyman podcast The Chaser report our friends at the chase Oh, Oscar nominated, good personal friends Hamish and Andy were nominated. And the housewarming podcast, who of course is hosted by one of your old housemates Marty smiley,Lewis Hobba  3:25  and one of the housemates a longtime housemate of one of our guests on the podcast today as well. But yeah, he does a podcast all that housemates. And as far as I can tell, he's spoken to every one of the people who used to live with except me. So I'm unsure of what his what his problem is what he's afraid of.Dan Ilic  3:42  I'm just getting him on the phone right now. Let's have a quick chat with him about that. I want to confront this issue before we start our podcast.Lewis Hobba  3:48  Me to actually want to get the answer to this.Unknown Speaker  3:54  You won't answer did you do?Lewis Hobba  3:55  Did you tell him he's calling? He'll be doing something? You know, IDan Ilic  3:58  told him I told him we're gonna call him just after right?Lewis Hobba  4:00  That's even more perfect. Of course, he's not answering.Dan Ilic  4:05  Oh, he's doing this. You know why? You know why? He's not answering. He's not answering. HeLewis Hobba  4:09  knows. I'm gonna ask him. I'm not on the podcast a day. You called Mighty slowly. IMarty Smiley  4:13  can't get to the phone right now. But if you'd leave your name and your number, or just shoot me a text, I'll get back to you as soon as possible.Dan Ilic  4:21  Oh, here we go here and he's he's only on the other line. Marty Smiley? Yeah. Were you trying to? Were you trying to do your best to destroy the irrational fear podcasts? For not answering your phone?Unknown Speaker  4:35  Time is limited.Dan Ilic  4:39  Just humanity. Now we got Louis Harbor on the line. And also we got your former another former flatmate Kirk Docker. And Lewis has one serious question about your podcast even though he's nominated for Best Comedy podcast. He's got one burning question. He wants to ask you about it or notUnknown Speaker  4:54  get on it.Lewis Hobba  4:56  I mean, obviously congratulations on the nomination and best of luck. I was wondering why you know episode one of the podcast, Kirk Tucker, who's on our podcast who joins us now was on it. So many other of your other housemates on it. So many other Triple J comedians on it. Basically everyone you know, that I know has been on it except me. I'm just wondering whyMick Neven  5:24  it's a difficult vetting process.Lewis Hobba  5:28  In fact, not only that you texted me to ask for a bunch of people's numbers from triple Jason like Oh, my can you get you got Linda Mariana is number I'm like yeah. Number one for I'd love to hear on the podcast. Oh, would you someone who you've never lived with and don't knowUnknown Speaker  5:50  let's be honest. There's a reason for it. And you have a secret about exactlyUnknown Speaker  5:57  I knew it.Dan Ilic  6:00  That wants to come out. Kirk maybe you can bring some insight into why hasn't Louis been invited on the house morning podcast and as guest number one yourself?Kirk Docker  6:11  He scared because Louis will dish up dirt that Marty will not want known to be public. He knew that if I came on the podcast I would say sort of funny things nice things backing him up but he was worried about Lewis Lewis has got that acid tongue and what might be revealed what dodgy dirty you know stuff might be revealed from the mighty smiley you know vault All right, well, you know, I wanted out thereDan Ilic  6:39  Marty if you do win Best Comedy podcast, will you then have Lewis haba on your podcastUnknown Speaker  6:45  as a guest Look, let me do that on this site now. What do you think? Look? I think there's just a lot of diversity that we need to really look at there's a lot of boxes you don't really keep Louis really hard to say but if you're if something comes up you know let you know. Yeah,Dan Ilic  7:07  tall white man in his late 30s Definitely not in the demographic Alright, let's get rid of the house. Well, good luck with the Podcast Awards Marty.Unknown Speaker  7:19  Bye.Lewis Hobba  7:20  Thank you good luck to you do notDan Ilic  7:25  think we got notice. Oh my god. Oh, well.Kirk Docker  7:30  That's how to keep still nice Dan.Dan Ilic  7:32  Here we go. I'm recording my end of irrational fear and gotta go Land of the Eora nation sovereignty was never seated. We need a treaty. Let's stop the shotUnknown Speaker  7:39  of Russian will field contains naughty words like bricks. Canberra. Fan COMM And section 40 of our rational view recommended listening might emerge your audience.Dan Ilic  7:52  Tonight Rupert Murdoch urges Donald Trump to move on from his 2020 defeat, Donald Trump responded by signing an executive order to cancel his Neo post subscription and spreading her back the Queen has had to cut back on driving and horse riding. Doctors have reminded her that she isn't a sprightly 94 year old anymore. And with 360 days until cop 27 We'll have the CEO of Santos here with all the tips on how you can buy off politicians before the silly season. It's the 19th of November and a big Happy International Men's Day to men. But not all men. This is irrational fear.Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host, former conservator of the Britney Spears estate Dan illage. And this is the podcast that looks at the scariest news in the feed and gives it a wedgie joining us on the podcast and had to tell us how they're going to celebrate International Men's Day. This week's featured Mungus before she was a TV presenter and investigative journalist she represented Australia the highest levels of competitive field hockey, pull up in your shooting pads. It's Kirsten Drysdale.Kirsten Drysdale  9:06  Hey, it's an off to the trees. I'll take it.Dan Ilic  9:09  Okay, Kirsten, how I how are you going to be celebrating International Men's Day? TomorrowKirsten Drysdale  9:15  I'm going to leave my kids at home with my husband and go out with the girls for drinks.Dan Ilic  9:20  And our next fear monger spends his days talking with the most misunderstood people in society fresh from a week of interviewing porn stars. Get fluffed for the creator of you can ask that KotokaKirk Docker  9:30  thank you and welcome and fluffers unfortunately aren't real. I thought they were they flat they fluff themselves. Yeah. It's one of the things I learned yesterday was that one of the big preparations that some female porn stars do is stretching their holes. That's a very, very important part to do before they get into the set. So it's there's no fluffers it's them themselves in the bathroom, doing as they call it, ladies.Kirsten Drysdale  9:58  That sounds like something they shouldn't Teach Like women who are going to give birth how to do like, that would be useful.Kirk Docker  10:04  Yeah, I'm also doing an episode on postnatal depression at the moment. So it's sort of you know, you can, you know, you can compare notes across different episodes sometimes.Kirsten Drysdale  10:13  Sorry, where did the fluffer myth myth start in? Why do we think this fluffersKirk Docker  10:17  I think Boogie Nights something like that. It's not like Boogie Nights,Dan Ilic  10:21  it's got to be got to be so many. It's got to be like decades before that, like that was a mean before Boogie Nights surely?Kirk Docker  10:28  Well, I think what they do now is the men anyway, they inject their, you know, old fellow with something and that's what keeps them going the whole time. So it you know, an injection has replaced the fluff, in a sense that they can inject it with this special stuff, and it just stays hard for as long as necessary. Wow,Lewis Hobba  10:44  this stuff is so vague and terrifying. Does that mean?Kirk Docker  10:51  Well, they put it in and it stays hard till it till till all day. And the problem they have now is that they need to ejaculate on command. So when you can check it on command, that's what puts the shoot over over time. And that's what people get really, really annoyed about. So the real skill in a male porn star is being able to ejaculate like that when you do that you get you get hired.Dan Ilic  11:13  That's amazing. Wow. So is it like Sally no gaps or something? Is that where they inject? Or is itKirk Docker  11:19  something it's something along those lines? It's something that keeps them you know, it's something that keeps them rock hard rock hard,Kirsten Drysdale  11:27  and sorry, Coke why? Why do you know all this stuff at the moment? What's the project?Kirk Docker  11:31  Well, one of the episodes of the new you can ask that is porn performance. When I say stars because we are delving into you know, only fans and the full breadth of how porn looks in 2021 but there are some stars in there and there are everything in between.Dan Ilic  11:46  Coming up a little later on, we take a look at the outcomes of cop 26 And just how far off net zero emissions the government's own modeling said it will be with renewal economies Michael amazing garb. But first here is a message from this week's sponsor.Alan Jones  12:01  warning everybody over the last few months I've been undergoing emergency medical treatment on my leg. It turns out I had been leaning too far to the left. God thank God they fix that up. Now while I've been away those vermin at Sky News have canceled me. Yes, I'm a victim of canceled culture. So that's why I'm studying my own social network. 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Did you do you guys remember this at all through this moment?Lewis Hobba  14:24  I do remember that? Yeah. It was I mean such a such a touching gesture.Kirsten Drysdale  14:30  I mean, like I was gonna say beautiful thought beautiful thought. Yeah.Dan Ilic  14:34  No just so good. Just so wild that in a year when no parliament is completely rocked by rape allegations sexual assault allegations of misconduct by so many parliamentarians. That's what he came up with for International Women's Day to handout.Kirk Docker  14:51  I box popped in that area and I swear all biddies love that stuff in there. I think he's on the money. You're handing out flowers. It's a perfect response in that part of city I think I'm over. I love it.Lewis Hobba  15:02  He must have known the photo on Twitter was gonna be an absolute nightmare.Kirsten Drysdale  15:08  You know, it's like thing of like, you know, flowers make amends for anything. So he's just trying to hand out flowers to all the women in the world to make amends.Dan Ilic  15:17  Yeah, like it's it's like a complete Band Aid solution for everything that his government has done over the over the last couple years, on behalf of above have meant was women.Lewis Hobba  15:29  Yeah, but yeah, also, there's that thing with flowers where there are some people who are suspicious of receiving them because they assume that it's like, they're like, why are you getting me these? What have you done? I mean, a lot.Kirsten Drysdale  15:42  Yeah, that was pre emptive flowers. That was March that was pre emptive flowers, but all the shit that was to come for the rest of the year. Oh, right.Dan Ilic  15:50  Yeah, it was like, it was like carbon credits. It was like, it's like bullshit credits. Yeah, yeah. The tone deafness continues. About a month before cop Dave Sharma went on this whole kind of transition to being like a climate warrior. He's trying to talk a lot like Greta tunberg, to kind of involve himself to the climate can concern in Wentworth. And so he's been really going full on with this. In fact, he sent out this email about a month ago, this is what he said on the email. It says, rapid and large emissions are needed from right now. What is missing from that sentence is the word reduction, rapid large scale emissions reduction are needed inundated right now. See, it's this weird thing where he's accidentally telling the truth. And the accidentally telling liberal policy when he should be being on the front foot and talking about emissions reduction. This is crazy. And also, just two days ago, he went pamphleteering around the Paddington handing out pamphlets and meeting new voters. And this is what he was doing here handing out these flyers. Now if you look carefully, can you can you guys notice anything suspicious about this this photo of Dave Sharma holding a baby and holding a flyer? Can you can you see anything? Anything weird about this picture?Kirsten Drysdale  17:09  Is a baby looks like it's passing out?Dan Ilic  17:11  The baby doesn't look like it's passing out.Lewis Hobba  17:13  Is it a chokehold?Kirk Docker  17:14  Who does baby kissing anymore? I didn't know baby kissing was stillDan Ilic  17:20  all the babies around backside you can't go around just kissing babies.Kirk Docker  17:24  Well, actually it's baby Stranglehold only reallyKirsten Drysdale  17:28  well look if the baby's not breathing out it's not spreading virus right so it's fine.Lewis Hobba  17:33  Wow, that's the only person with children it's because it says netzero climate action full sentence like he promises to do climate action.Dan Ilic  17:47  That's right it says Net Zero climate action on the on the flyer once again. He's the only truthful politician in in the Liberal Party.Kirsten Drysdale  17:58  Did I saw your tweet that Dan and I kind of thought you photoshopped the close up. Are you saying that is actually his flyer?Dan Ilic  18:07  This is it. I've got to hit I walked up the street and I found one look at this net zero climate action.Kirsten Drysdale  18:16  I thought that was a joke from you.Lewis Hobba  18:18  Yeah, so like, that's Boy Who Cried Wolf from dead he's been photoshopping shit for so many years that no one reallyKirsten Drysdale  18:28  jumped in. But that's his real pamphlet.Dan Ilic  18:30  She's real pamphlet. It's not a joke. This is what he was handing out. This is Net Zero climate action which is extensively Liberal Party policy. I wanted to share with you what I'm going to do for tomorrow for International Men's Day. I'm going to dress up in Liberal cosplay in a chambray shirt and chinos and head on down edgecliff station. And because it is International Men's Day, the only tone deaf thing I could think of today would be handy handout hammers to a bunch of people in edgecliff station. That feelsLewis Hobba  19:00  really dangerous. I don't think that many people are trained to just have exposed hammers. Maybe I'm paranoid but that that feels dangerous.Dan Ilic  19:07  That's what's so exciting about this idea it's quite a malevolent idea who gets a hammer who gets a hit No one gets a hammerKirk Docker  19:15  Are you suggesting they should nail something that's what your hammer something is?Dan Ilic  19:20  I didn't even know what you're wanting it and what did they show me by handing out flowers to women? Like it's just the same exactly the same thing I'm just gonna hand out hammers to men take your free hammer Happy International Men's Day.Kirsten Drysdale  19:31  I look like really good hands. Man. Like really? Like well waited How much did that yeah,Dan Ilic  19:38  they're about they're about 10 bucks 15 bucks each so you know this is what the this is what the Patreon money is fundingLewis Hobba  19:46  and you paid for me this is an outrageDan Ilic  19:50  Alright, let's move on to this this week second fear this week second fear if you go see musical act bras against you may get you may get more than you bargained for when lead singer Sophie Your wrist, brought up a fan on stage and then lay him down and basically gave him a Golden Shower during a cover song of Rage Against the Machine. Now some fans were disgusted by this others said it was a real pisser Kirk, should we be disgusted by this or just, you know, have this behavior normalized?Kirk Docker  20:19  Well, it's interesting you say people were disgusted because if you read the news.com article about it, everyone was disgusted. It was a stomach churning stance. It was shocked the crowd the man spewed the urinal, but if you actually watch the footage, the man had the time of his he was having a good time there it was being pieced on it was actually amazing moment and it's the reporting of it has been that it's been disgusting, but in actual fact, he was mopping up the urine. He was throwing on the crowd, he was dancing jiggling, she had to actually kick him off the stage. She's like, get off man. I'm done. I've done feasting on you get off. I think it's fantastic look, I have a couple of weeks ago I interviewed trough man the myth for this trough man and I don't know you guys know who troughLewis Hobba  21:05  I honestly can't believe he managed to get trough man. Like I genuinely thought trough man. Like the Penrith Panther, just the thing that people said at night times?Kirk Docker  21:15  Well, that's Look, the trough man is a legendary guy in Sydney that people thought was a myth. Was he alive was he did the story was that over the last 40 years, he would lay in urinals at parties at the Mardi Gras after party etc. and at certain time, and it would appear in these little little tiny shorts and people he would lay in the trough and people would be okay. And he had the time of his life so much so that he's become this legend where he shorts and now framed and hung at Stonewall and you can see his urine soaked short so that now dried and hung there. And if I've learned anything from speaking to trough men or any other people who are into watersports or golden showers, as they call it, is that they have the time of their life. And all I'd say is that unless you've tried it, don't knock it. I think that golden showers may have something for it that we don't quite know. And if we had the courage to try it, we might be as into it as old made on stage the other day.Dan Ilic  22:09  Do you think this is why you know terrorists in Guantanamo Bay when they were waterboarded decided to just hang out there and not give any secrets? Because they were actually being gold being done but with golden showers instead?Lewis Hobba  22:23  Jesus ChristDan Ilic  22:24  too much too much. No.Kirk Docker  22:27  Just enough.Unknown Speaker  22:30  I think I think for thisDan Ilic  22:30  for this for this musical artist. It's so strange because now people are like, I hadn't heard of brass attack before this.Lewis Hobba  22:37  I don't know if there are brass against a fan.Dan Ilic  22:39  Thank you.Kirsten Drysdale  22:42  A longtime fan.Lewis Hobba  22:44  I'm more of a fan of pissing on people. But now I've become a fan of brass. But IDan Ilic  22:48  haven't heard I haven't I haven't heard of brass against until this moment. And now I feel like that's their thing. That's what they do that like that's the thing that people are gonna be going to say they're gonna be down to brass against to have to say Sofia piss on people.Lewis Hobba  23:02  When have you wanted to hear a description of the genre of music they make? Honestly, is the best thing that could possibly happen to you. Which is they do brass band covers. Heavy Metal, which genuinely sounds like the worst. Like, honestly, 1000 people compare Sunday before I would go. Nightmare.Kirk Docker  23:25  And so like having crazy acts that rock artists do is every day something new you know what I mean? This is as old as time that the Rockstar will do something wacky to get attention. So it's it's yeah, it's exciting. It's exciting that it's back on the agenda. Rockstar is doing something wacky on stage. AndKirsten Drysdale  23:41  I agree. I agree, Kirk. I thought it was awesome. I didn't think it was. I mean, it kind of is disgusting. But that's why it was so fucking awesome. And I don't think it should be normalized.Lewis Hobba  23:54  Like Carol's. Awesome, let me bring this out.Dan Ilic  23:59  And no,Kirsten Drysdale  24:00  I don't think they're gonna do it on today's show. But um, no. And I also like, I reckon that that video, like that moment that is going to be like the defining cultural moment of the end of the COVID era. I say, because it's like we've spent two years like being paranoid about other people and their bodies and their disgusting fucking fluids that's coming out of them. And we're kind of through it all. And now it's just yeah, I'm gonna piss on your face like that. She's just embracing that we can be close again.Lewis Hobba  24:30  Yeah, 2021 it's more okay to piss on someone's face than it is to sneeze without covering it with your elbow.Unknown Speaker  24:40  Scott Morrison elaborately deceive the French the idea that a nuclear reactor with enough weapons grade uranium to make many many bonds can be treated like a power pack for money is incredible. I mean, it is just bullshit. AAlan Jones  24:57  rational fearDan Ilic  24:58  this week's third fear well Eddie obeyed and his son Moses chillaxing. Behind bars, the tentacles of the family wealth seem to be uncovered every single day and there are two more brothers implicated with a dodgy property deal in Hawks Nest. fear mongers, if you were a criminal mastermind, would you just have offspring for the sole purpose of laundering money? Kirsten, not worth it? If you've got like two kids, are you going to be like getting them into the family business,Lewis Hobba  25:27  so to speak crime family?Kirsten Drysdale  25:29  I'm going to send them out to work as soon as they can. Yeah, but not not for me. I don't want anything more to do with them. Like know, they can just you know, start paying board and rent. But the thing this story was like, for me, it was like, you know, those like really infuriating property stories, where they it's you know how I bought my first home at 24. And like, seven parents seven paragraphs deep, you discover that these like little bleached teeth fuckers inherited a million dollars from their parents, and that's how they bought their house. So this story is like that. Except the children. They inherited $30 million from their dad who stole it from the New South Wales Government. And they're not like buying a three bedroom merrickville They're like buying up secretly by the way Aboriginal owned land on the sleepy coastal towns and they're putting up high rise developments there. Were nobody wants them. That's that's the story. Yes. Amazing.Dan Ilic  26:27  Yeah. How I buy how I bought a high rise development with one simple trick. My dad stole the money. My dad stole some money from the government.Lewis Hobba  26:37  But do you think my dad as someone who has kids now it's you would just be at some point you go it you raising you has been such a nightmare? But the least you can do for me? Is risk going to prison?Kirsten Drysdale  26:51  Oh, yeah, absolutely. Like can continue my corrupt dealings and make this this money grow even more? Yes. Yeah. No, no, you get to hold that over them forever.Dan Ilic  27:01  No, idiot Bates any gone to prison for 10 months. So you know, that land was bought that land was bought for 600,000 A couple of years ago, after he gets out of prison. The market would be huge. Like those lands already gone up, like Daisley triple.Kirsten Drysdale  27:16  I'm just like, how do you have you like get busted? Like you stole the 30 million is that's there's no question about that. That is like 100% proven we know that he's stolen 30 million, but they don't have to give it back. You know, like, if you steal a car and they find you with the car, you the car goes back to the owner, like how did they just get to keep the 30 millionLewis Hobba  27:35  Danna you're you're you're the only born and bred New South house person in the in on the podcastDan Ilic  27:42  also. loso also Lebanese person. So yeah, yeah. Sure.Lewis Hobba  27:48  That that's gonna make my next question seem more loaded than I wanted to. Which is when was the last time you South Wales had a leader who wasn't correct?Dan Ilic  27:57  Do you know what I actually think it was a friend of the show Bob Carr. I think that was the last time we had a leader that wasn't really, that really didn't kind of, you know, put his foot in it.Kirsten Drysdale  28:07  He left with a clean slate in me. Yeah,Dan Ilic  28:09  I mean, we haven't rather we haven't hasn't been discovered what he's done yet. Like, we need to call we need to call Kate McClymont and ask her to get her on the podcast again and sayLewis Hobba  28:21  what is Bob done? Because like in Victoria, there are people right now with nooses and guns on the street. Because Dan Andrew has, like made pretty similar decisions to most of the premiers around the country. Yeah. Whereas in New South Wales, you can literally steal $30 million and no one cares. No, it's so staggering that it does no one gives a fuck of it likeDan Ilic  28:41  no you can miss allies and you can mess up lockdown and you can resign for being alleged allegedly corrupt, and then people will leave flowers at your office like this.Lewis Hobba  28:56  Yeah, it's incredible and you know, people you can just be like on leaving over a bottle of grain and everyone will go yep, that seems reasonable checks out. No more questions here. Do you like obviously it's not thatDan Ilic  29:07  I think it's because people in Sydney so property obsessed. When they say stuff like this, they go well, whatever you have to do to get ahead, you know? Good on. Good on Darryl. He really tried it onKirk Docker  29:18  Do you think any in the family into watersports property there atUnknown Speaker  29:31  the agreements that's come out of Glasgow have an eye to green light for more coal production. That's good news for the world because it might be the most important thing for the world to do. The next few decades is to bring more and more people out of poverty, and coal and cheap energy helps do thatDan Ilic  29:46  a rational here in a moment, we're going to be talking with Michael Mason garb about Australia's place in the world stage and how we are absolutely the worst country in the world when it comes to climate negotiations. But I've actually got someone special on the line right Now we've actually got the world's greatest high jumper who happens to be an Australian. So mcnevin Thanks for joining us and Australian high jumper who claims to be the greatest high jumper in the world. Welcome.Mick Neven  30:10  Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, that is correct. I am.Dan Ilic  30:14  I am. Do it's an amazing claim to be the world's greatest high jumper what's the basis for the claim?Mick Neven  30:21  Well, I have never missed the jump. No one's No, that's right. I have never noticed the bar onto the mat.Dan Ilic  30:30  So what's your highest jump 50 centimeters 50 centimeters that's not veryLewis Hobba  30:35  high.Mick Neven  30:36  Well, that is the targets that I've set for myself and I meet and beat that targets every time I jump.Dan Ilic  30:42  Now the mentor jump record is 2.45 meters and the women's record is 2.09 meters you're nowhere near that I hear but I don't worry about what other high jumper doing you've never once competed at the Olympic Games.Mick Neven  30:55  Why would I see a leaf pick a hot Fs although so called high jumpers, making bold claims about query 2.4 meters and what happens? They all not the bar onto the mat, and they look pretty stupid doing it. I made them beat my target every time I can do high jumper Yeah,Dan Ilic  31:12  it's only 50 centimeters. That's right.Mick Neven  31:15  I don't need to jump higher. I'm less than 2% of the world. I've jumped if I raise the bar to even 1.5 minutes sure I could jump it so that's a clear goal. To achieve that I need to coach I'd have to start training I need objective. Why bother? I can beat that 50 centimeters and it doesn't take meUnknown Speaker  31:31  or anyoneDan Ilic  31:31  else. Yeah 50Mick Neven  31:33  centimeters you know a primary school kid could jump that jump Oh, I am the world's greatest I've never you know the world's great are the world's greatest high jumper never missed the jump Don't forget that. Never missed the jump. Nick thanks for joining us on irrational fear. See you on the mat buddy. Cop 26Dan Ilic  31:52  is over and while Australia's once again the bad guy at the international talks we didn't quite manage to derail the entire thing know that prestigious title went to India the last minute when they decided to change the phrasing of the words phase out to phase down for cold two which most of the other countries went What the fuck is phasing down? Joining us to discuss cop 26 in Australia is modeling to net zero is from renewable economy. Michael amazing garden. Welcome Michael. Hi everyone. And Michael is also a Patreon member as well which is really cool. So it's really cool to have you on Michael.Lewis Hobba  32:26  I love the rational fear getting in some pay to play here.Dan Ilic  32:30  For full disclosure, Michael pays us to do the podcast about three $3 a month.Kirk Docker  32:38  Did you see the hammers Stan just for Dan just bought some really nice hammer. Well done.Dan Ilic  32:45  As a Patreon member, how do you feel about me buying hammers to pull us down tomorrow?Michael Mazengarb  32:50  I'll be lining up atKirsten Drysdale  32:55  me over the head. Dan.Lewis Hobba  32:57  Give me back my money.Dan Ilic  32:59  Michael, I just wanted to quickly before we get going quickly just to explain the netzero modeling that got released a couple of weeks after cop had all kind of been done and dusted. It was really remarkable. First of all, Scott Morrison came out before cop to say oh yes, you know, we're going to meet our net zero, we're going to get net zero by 20 2050 and then refused to release the modeling until last week. What did that modeling show? And how far away? Are we actually from meeting net zero?Michael Mazengarb  33:24  That's a good question. Firstly, it was really funny because they went out and announced that Australia was committing to zero emissions by net 50. And they promised this modeling. And then we found out in Senate estimates they hadn't actually finished right. The reason why it was released so late is because they were still behind the scenes putting together the document. And then when it did come out, what we see is that rather than meeting net zero emissions, the plan that the government has put out has is on track to reduce emissions by 85%. And there's a nice 15% gap in the plan that the government just is saying that hopefully we'll have some technologies that might just appear and help us bridge that gap. But they haven't actually baked in a plan to net zero.Dan Ilic  34:10  There's actually this 15% gap where How can I go about calling it a net zero by 2050? Target. So thisMichael Mazengarb  34:17  is like you can go look at the modeling. And you can say there's a nice chart that the government has put together and they say, Look, we're expecting to reduce Australia's emissions by about a further 60% that they're going to go and by, you know, up to sort of 20% worth of offsets from overseas, and then just this gap, and they are they're saying that hopefully will overachieve and hopefully you know, who knows some crazy fantastic technology will come along and bridge that gap but they don't know what it is and they don't have any idea about when or if that technology will come along.Lewis Hobba  34:53  So the plan over the next 30 years is do a little bit of work, plant a few trees and prayMichael Mazengarb  34:59  pretty much They're just counting on everyone else. Basically, it's counting on these innovations and technologies emerging from overseas, not even trying to sort of make them happen here in Australia by sort of investing in Australian research or Australian innovation, then really just counting on it happening overseas. It's the fingers crossed. Right? Like, it's sort of like closing your eyes and taking a swing, and then hopefully, we'll get to 2050 with zero net emissions, but they don't actually know that we're going to do it for sure, man, it'sKirk Docker  35:32  Michael, can I ask you a question? What I what I Can I ask a dumb question. What is Boris and actually scared off by actually just going we'll just do it. You know, we'll just be zero emissions by like I can't I just from the outside, I can't quite work out what is the is it? Is it just the the bowing down to call? Is it that they worry about being real at what is actually they're scared of actually about to say yes, we'll just do it.Michael Mazengarb  35:58  So the modeling actually answers that question. So they modeled a few different alternate scenarios. One scenario is we actually do get to zero net emissions. And we plan that and we bridge that lost 15%, basically, by investing in carbon sequestration, and doing that through planting trees. And that modeling shows, that scenario shows that the coal sector and the gas sector lose out in the order of about $4.9 billion. But landholders, so farmers benefit by almost an equivalent amount. And so they have this scenario that says we can actually get to zero net emissions call losers out, farmers win. But we're not going to pick that scenario, because that's a negative impact on the economy that they don't like. So we're going to go to this 85%. So it's purely this comparison between farmers versus fossil fuels, and the government picked fossil fuels.Lewis Hobba  36:58  My favorite thing about it is that usually when someone releases something like modeling, or any kind of data, usually politicians will be smart enough to make it so complicated, that average people like me, can't really get to the bottom of it, you sort of get obfuscated by information. And in the end, you kind of like, it could be true. But they literally put out the like the for chunk graph, which genuinely, genuinely just had 15%. Wait, no. And it was that was what I was like, Oh, thank you for making your incompetence, easy for the incompetent, I really do appreciate that.Michael Mazengarb  37:32  And the modeling itself is a real reflection of how the government got to its policy. So they went away and they paid McKinsey that consultancy $6 million to produce the first round of economic modeling. They then brought in a team of basically coalition aligned economists, including Brian Fisher, who their previous work was they authored modeling, which was used to attack the labour government's climate policies in the lead up to the federal election last time round, which came up with these crazy figures for how much that policy was going to cost and basically was just slammed for not having any credibility. They brought those guys in to then review and verify the McKinsey modeling. And then the department itself wrote the report. So they've really like massage this modeling together. And still, it's really explicit. And it's really clear what the government is doing, and who they're siding with.Dan Ilic  38:30  I noticed the other last week there was a story about McKinsey employees being pissed off that there were being press ganged into doing work like this, but not not explicitly for Australia, but for to fossil fuel companies and for for bad actors on this on this on the same. Do you think these consulting groups will eventually stop doing this kind of work for the government?Michael Mazengarb  38:54  I think I mean, for this this piece of work in particular, like the reputational damage the reputational risk that is there is quite significant if you've got your name your brand attached to what then becomes potentially sort of political modeling and political reports. You go look, it's not worth it. Like the brand damage that occurs is so significant that you know, it's probably not going to be worth the $6 million because they're going to lose out on other contracts and their reputation gets damaged.Dan Ilic  39:24  But it is $6 million to do some maths that doesn't like if like it like if they wanted to liveLewis Hobba  39:30  in a world where lying isn't rewarded but I don't know if we do Michael.Michael Mazengarb  39:37  I mean I work in the the energy sector I write about energy all the time. A lot of my friends work in the energy sector. And we look at this morning you go look, we could have done a lot better than rustled up five of us we could have produced a million bucks each and done a lot better.Dan Ilic  39:56  Is there like a website we can go to to try and A job to take the modeling away from McKinsey at a much, much more competitive price like, can we?Michael Mazengarb  40:06  Well, that was something that interestingly, McKinsey was chosen to do this modeling, the CSIRO had actually also pitched to do the modeling. And this came out also in Senate estimates, they said, Look, we applied to the government, we would have done the modeling for the government. To CSIRO, it's gonna be some of Australia's best minds in terms of energy and climate. And they didn't pick them, they picked McKinsey, who Angus Taylor used to work forKirsten Drysdale  40:33  the government given given any explanation for that decision.Michael Mazengarb  40:37  No, I think, you know, it was it was the CSIRO that sort of revealed that they had applied for it, they didn't want to really, you know, throw their, you know, the government under the bus because, you know, if you're in the CSIRO, you, you sort of pretty wary about how much control the federal government has over your funding. But, you know, we try andDan Ilic  40:58  find out, are they public servants out there that have done their own modeling, like, you know, in the CSIRO, what are the is the modeling done somewhere else, but it's like in a cabinet that no one can unlock and look atMichael Mazengarb  41:10  it could be. The other thing is we have these bodies, like we have bodies, like the CSIRO, we have bodies, like the climate change authority, which still exists, but just basically sits dormant, that could be used to produce this type of modeling. previous governments have used treasury to produce this type of modeling, all of this modeling could be done in house in the government, or it could be done, you know, in a way that is done in consultation with the industry. But this route of modeling is really just sort of been a bit of a, you know, a message job from the government.Dan Ilic  41:42  Oh, my God.Kirk Docker  41:44  He said just that, is it just that the government gets so much money from these companies that they need it, or they actually think this is a better play for Australians, they genuinely believe this is a better play for Australians. What? I don't quite understand it still, it's still so confusing toMichael Mazengarb  42:00  me. I don't know like, you know, it seems like you know, I sit there every day. And you look at the advances that are being achieved in wind, and solar and batteries and electric vehicles. And you think these are the technologies of the future, if you want to talk about technologies, not taxes, like these are the technologies that are emerging, and we should be investing in those. But yet, we're talking about carbon capture and storage. You know, the Australian delegation in Glasgow had the Santos, CCS irama in the official pavilion, like, I don't, and not to say like that they completely sold and, but it's hard to know, like, how they think this is playing out and what motivates them asides from maybe self interest.Dan Ilic  42:48  It's interesting to say like, technologies like this are kind of being rolled out all around the world, like as in every single country that is beholden to fossil fuels, you see the same playbook being rolled out in every other place like carbon capture storage doesn't work anywhere yet. Every other country that is a big exporter of fossil fuels is trying it on as a way to placate their donors and to to keep fossil fuels alive another few years, but it's really just like a conceptual art sphincter in the ground like it did. It doesn't do anything like it. It's meant to capture gas, but no gas ever gets captured.Michael Mazengarb  43:20  We have one operational project here in Australia that's out. In Gorgon in Western Australia that's been run by Chevron, it was years late, it's operating well below capacity, they they put hundreds of millions of dollars into this thing. And they can't get it fully operational because it's trying to store carbon under the seabed. But the equipment they're using to store it is getting clogged with sand. They didn't see that happening. But our one carbon capture and storage project is running at like half capacity.Dan Ilic  43:53  When you're talking about carbon capture storage as one of the key elements of the modeling. I remember seeing a map put up on put up on Twitter, of all the places where we're going to store carbon underground, if you see this map, there's just large patches of blue where the carbon is going to be stored underground. and This Is Mythical kind of cave system. It's remarkable to kind of see that you're like, oh, wow, instead of like, instead of not putting that fossil fuel into the air, they're just gonna poison the earth, and like bury it under huge tracts of land. Deck surely doesn't seem to me any better than than chucking in the air?Michael Mazengarb  44:33  I think, you know, I would like to have the confidence of someone who pushes carbon capture and storage because they're saying, Look, we'll just count this stuff under the ground and it will just stay there and I'll stay there forever. But like, we don't really know that much about what's going down underneath the ground like things like earthquakes happen the ground, the sort of geology is constantly moving to think that we can just put stuff down there and expect it to last for Ever is just a bit sort of, I think ambitious a bit, I thinkLewis Hobba  45:06  maybe your way if you if we want to try to like harness a very vocal like right wing group to end up sort of playing themselves, here's my here's my big play, you need to start linking to Q Anon, that carbon capture and storage is a secret government program to kill the lizard people. Now, once we get that in their heads, they're gonna be like, but the lizard we need the lizard people. And then we'll there'll be a save the lizard people campaign from Q Anon, which will end up meaning they are attacking carbon capture and storage, and then suddenly we'll have all of Q anon on the side of renewable energies.Dan Ilic  45:45  Excellent. This is great. This is a great idea, Lewis I think you've cracked it and we all know Scott Morrison love Q anon he's got his best mate, which is these cute guy and he's out there. He's he's out there. Tell me. Tell him the state premieres. No, we should let it rip. You know these q&a on people they know what they're talking about.Kirk Docker  46:05  I love it. I love that cute.Dan Ilic  46:07  Well, on that note, that is it for rational fi big thank you to all of our guests this week. Have you got anything to plug cook? You canKirk Docker  46:14  ask that comes out inLewis Hobba  46:16  set a reminder, check your calendarsKirk Docker  46:21  don't miss it.Kirsten Drysdale  46:22  No got nothing on sorry, some hokey comp in Newcastle next week. That's about it. People can come and check you out. Tigers, tigers, mid target MikoKirk Docker  46:35  Johnny sagas.Michael Mazengarb  46:37  So I work for renew economy, we write every day on climate energy electric vehicles. So if you want to get your fix on that news, renewal economy is your oneDan Ilic  46:48  stop shop. Great. And Louis, we've got something to plug on January 29. We're going to be having our 10 year anniversary show at the Sydney Opera House.Lewis Hobba  47:00  I've heard of it. I've heard of it. I'm very excited. We we have done one show at the opera house before in fact with Bob Carr,Dan Ilic  47:09  I believe. Kirsten, Kirsten. Kirsten did that. All right. Yeah. That was great. Yeah,Lewis Hobba  47:15  I'm really excited about that. I assume the Playhouse I see. We're in the big theater.Dan Ilic  47:20  I hope so. Play us all the drama theater. I'll take either one, but I know it's booked. I mean, I mentionedLewis Hobba  47:24  the concert hall put us in the concert hall. No,Dan Ilic  47:27  put us in the opera house put us in the Opera Theater. Sure. Yeah.Lewis Hobba  47:33  Big big one. Yeah. 1000 More people are listening awake now. Come on. That's half an opera.Dan Ilic  47:39  Fill it. So agenda 29Kirsten Drysdale  47:41  and three hemas Lewis will pay on someone's face on stage.Lewis Hobba  47:47  It does. It takes in a very different quality when it's a man.Kirsten Drysdale  47:52  I was thinking that I was thinking when I was watching that. This is so awesome. Because it's a visit to the lady. If this was a guy peeing on a girl's face. It just wouldn't feel the same. Something about squatting. I reckon. I don't really read Yeah,Kirk Docker  48:07  you could do the talk, Louis. I could do theLewis Hobba  48:09  typing. I will do the something which is even worse, which is I'll bring my saxophone and play a cover of a heavy metal song.Dan Ilic  48:17  That reminds me we should we should put James Valentine FisherLewis Hobba  48:23  all the weird white guys who play sex.Dan Ilic  48:26  Big thank you to all of our new patreon supporters this this month. 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Tutt is the 2020 NSW Young Australian of the Year, and a recipient of a 2021 Eureka Prize, the premier awards for science in Australia.🔗 DEADLY SCIENCE🤑 Donate to Deadly Sciencealso we hear fromHayley McQuire — A proud Darumbal and South Sea Islander woman from Rockhampton, Central Queensland and a passionate advocate for Indigenous social justice and First Nations lead education. Her roots are in Indigenous community media, vocational training and Indigenous Affairs policy. She was selected and served for four years on the Youth Advocacy Group for the UN Secretary General's Global Education First Initiative to support young people around the world to advocate for their rights to education. 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Let's start the podcast,Dan Ilic  0:16  a podcast about politics for people who hate politics. This is Julia Zemiro asks, "Who cares?"Julia Zemiro  0:27  Hello, Julia here. And yes, once a month for the next five months on the irrational fi podcast, feed, I'm going to be having conversations about getting active and showing you you have powers to make change in the world, and talking to civic leaders from all walks of life to find out how they got active. This month on the podcast, I'm talking with two people who know a great deal about indigenous led education. We know education isn't equal, it's often expensive, and our state schools certainly need more support. But for Indigenous kids and adults, education can be woeful, and the system can be wonderful for them. So I'm speaking today to two incredible leaders in this field. First up, proud Kamilaroi man, Corey tut is an indigenous mentor and stem champion. He's the founder of deadly science and initiative that provides science books in early reading material to remote schools in Australia. He's the 2020, New South Wales Young Australian of the Year. And he also recently won a eureka prize. If you're not familiar, the Australian Museum Eureka prizes are the country's most comprehensive National Science Awards. And they are excellent across the areas of research and innovation, leadership, science, engagement and school science. I'm just going to give you a bit of a trigger warning here. Cory does cover some heavy topics him losing his best friend, some letting you know that now, I started asking him about these awards and and what they mean.Corey Tutt  2:07  These awards are fantastic accomplishments. And they're great for making my head feel a lot larger than what it is the circumference of my head is growing 15 centimeters since I've won these awards, but no all jokes aside, these awards are responsibility to me to make them accessible all kids so that they, you know, one day can see themselves in the picture. If you ask majority of the kids I work with, do you ever see yourself winning Eureka prize or the Young Australian of the Year award? They would probably say to you No way. So my role and my responsibility now is to go to these remote communities go to these schools, be a good example show that these kids can be part of the picture and picture of science and be part of that. And if I'm not doing that, then that award is just a waste on me because I need to be responsible with it in including the next generation of deadly scientists.Julia Zemiro  3:04  you've engaged with over 90 schools around Australia. And there's been a 25% increase in engagement in STEM related subjects. You've given 28 Deadly Junior ScienceCorey Tutt  3:16  Awards now are a couple of 100 of those out now.Julia Zemiro  3:20  What I'm always interested in is that we say that people don't care. We think that people aren't doing anything we know full well that there's lots of incredible projects happening all over the place. But with you, Cory, I know that with you, you're someone who had an interest in science to begin with. But how did you really connect to science as a young kid,Corey Tutt  3:42  I didn't have the best life growing up, I'd experienced my father leaving my mum at age two. And that's enough to sort of for a lot of kids off the rails, I guess. At eight years old, I witnessed a fatal accident. It was pretty tough. And it meant that I was never really in one place for very long. I grew up in the Illawarra region of New South Wales and South Coast is where I was born. But I also spent time in tumby Bay in South Australia. And I also spent time mangonia which is in the central Tablelands of New South Wales. So I've really been everywhere man. So I put a lot of my energy into reptiles and animals and things that I'd find around the place. That's always a really good way to make friends is that if you pick up a blue tongue lizard in the playground or home, people want to talk to you about it because it's a pretty bizarre thing to do. Because I moved around a lot it was very very hard for me to to get any structure in my life as a kid and and probably affected me as I it probably affected me in one or two ways. I was never satisfied with just been the mundane day to day I was always striving to achieve my dreams and I was driven as a real as a young kid I was driven nearly never really fit into the, you know, the notion that, that I couldn't do things that I didn't put my mind to. I wanted more of my life and I was pretty determined that I wasn't, if when I became a parent, I was never going to be the same. I was always going to be I was always going to do the things that my parents couldn't do for me.Julia Zemiro  5:20  But your granddad had a lot to do with your interest in reptiles and reading.Corey Tutt  5:24  Yeah, he did. He gave me a book called reptiles and color. And that was published in 1984, which is consequently, eight years before I was born, but I got it in about 1998. That book in particular was pretty raggedy, by the time it got to me and it was, you know, it had another little boy's signature and I was like, maybe Happy Birthday Billy assigned, but I don't care. His name out, wrote Corey. That book was really important for me, because when I was chasing those Water Dragons, and and I was reading that they could hold their breath underwater for an hour and things like that, in that book, I would sit there with a little stopwatch, and I would chase war drags into dams. And I would, you know, I'd time it, make sure it was right, you know. But yeah, these were things that I did when I was a kid. And I learned how to read off these books. So, you know, when other kids were reading the Hungry Caterpillar, I was just reading science books.Julia Zemiro  6:17  And did you know at that time, did you make a link that that was science? Or was it just something that kids did? Where you grew up? Was it an indigenous experience,Corey Tutt  6:28  I don't think it was an indigenous experience or, or a science experience and such it was, it was probably me trying to contend with the bad things in my childhood and invest my energy into something that was positive. You know, a lot of kids will like me when growing up like we we sometimes grow out of it, some of us don't. And I feel like I was always connected to the culture and people.Julia Zemiro  6:54  Is it true that a career advisor once said to you that kids like you don't go to uni, and they should stick to a trade,Corey Tutt  7:00  I don't wish any ill harm or, or any bad wields his career advisor, he was just trying to help me, I think he, I think it was yelled, I'm going to give this kid a whack with a metaphorical stick. And that will be the thing that that drives him to do more. And it probably had the opposite effect. To be honest, when I sat across this career advisor, and I sat in this over, you know, this, this poorly designed chair that was, you know, had this poor fabric on it. And I looked across at him and I said, I wanted to be a zookeeper or wildlife documentary. And the third option was ABC sports commentator, because I thought it was pretty easy. And I could find the other two. I think at that moment, I felt very determined that I would not, you know, I would not take his advice, because I know if I, if I had worked in a trade, I would have been hopeless at it. And I really was desperate to become a zookeeper. And as you do you troll through social media when you're a kid, especially when you're a teenager, born in my time, which was MySpace, and Facebook. And when it first came out, and I saw this crazy woman with a rifle standing above a snake, and she was in this place called Boyup. Brook. And she was just, you know, a really nice lady who runs this wildlife sanctuary that that's just killing Snakes on a property. And I was like, Ah, I ended up organizing to go over to Rigali and Boyup Brook, which is 3885 kilometers from my house, didn't contact my mother or family members for three weeks. And I went over there and look, that moment for me, I, as soon as I got over there, I was introduced to this, this woman who was kind of older and her name was Norma, and she had a husband called Jim and his dog named Holly and Norma and Jim, were the first people in my life that had ever shown me love that was unconditional. But, you know, they were just proud that I was going in and working this wildlife sanctuary. And I remember that, you know, I didn't have even make toasts. To be honest, I couldn't even make you a cup of tea. And normally didn't judge me or anything like that. Normally, people would sort of laugh at someone if they didn't know how to do that. But she kind of knew that I, I didn't get shown a lot growing up, because why what how could I, you know, my mom was a single mom. And we were, you know, we were sort of moving around a lot. You know, she didn't learn those things. So how could she possibly teach me and how was he there? I was 16.Julia Zemiro  9:41  So you've gone there all by yourself.Corey Tutt  9:43  I've gone there all by myself. And yeah, I get a bit sad when I talk about Jim and omocha said now pass, but they were the first people that I ever met that, that didn't care. They didn't care about the baggage. I didn't care that I was from Dapto. They didn't care that I was indigenous. You know, they cared about me as a person, and from that moment from working at that wildlife sanctuary, and by the time I came back and started at narrow Wildlife Park, Jim and Norma sent me messages every single week until April last year, telling me how proud they were. They followed my journeys, they, you know, they rode the highs, and they stuck by me with the lows. And I will never ever forget what they did for me as a 16 year old and but you know, I fast forward and I'm, I'm back in narrow and I'm working at shore haven toJulia Zemiro  10:35  how did you get that job? How did you know to find that we use looking through for jobs? Or was it a word of mouth thingCorey Tutt  10:42  someone had, had bumped into me that worked at Taronga Zoo, and they were very keen to have me. But unfortunately, I lived in narrow, and I lived very, very far away from Mosman. And I, you know, I made the decision that it was going to be too hard because I had my red pays, but it wasn't like I couldn't drive up from now every day. So I applied for volunteer position at narrow Wildlife Park and Shoalhaven Zoo. And I remember the first day I had there, and I just come back from boy out broke, I'd come back from Western Australia, I had all this experience that, you know, I fought that I was, you know, not, I thought I was just really confident and I was really happy. And you know, it was easily the the most like it was the happiest morning in my life so far that I remember it because I got up at 5am I was meant to start at age, I got up at 5am I cooked a massive breakfast. I wore a button up shirt, which I was so proud. Like, I was just like, you know, for me, it was i i brought new shoes I you know, I had saved up to this was my first day as a zookeeper and the start of everything for me. And I remember I was sitting there and I was sitting under the, you know, under the walkway there and I was waiting for the head keeper to turn up and he turns up and he goes, Why are you so early? And I was like, because I'm keen. I'm very keen to get started, like, let's go, let's get into it. And he's like, no, no, no, settle down. And, you know, he, you know, him and I have friends now. But we had a we had a running battle. He often called me names, often, yeah, often told me that I shouldn't do zoo keeping and, and things like that. But, you know, again, I was determined to prove him wrong. You know, I was so determined to prove him wrong and get myself a zoo, a paid position and a zoo keeping uniform. And the day that the owner gave me my first narrow Wildlife Park shirt, I've still got it today in my cupboard. And because it was an our wildlife park back then, and it looked like Swiss cheese, and it had so many holes in it. I even had 10 spots because of how many holes that had in this shirt. And I was so proud of that. It was I've done it, you know, I've done it. This is the thing that it was it was my dream. I loved it. You know again, sometimes Julia that things happen and life can slip quickly, you know, change on it can change in a second then I'd had a best friend that had volunteered with the zoo. And he him and I started at the same time and he he eventually got kicked out because he he had sort of had some issues at the zoo and like it was the first time I'd met someone that was on my level that I was I was friends with and you know we we got along really well we actually got like got a similar tattoo on our left shoulder. You know we weird we're gonna move in together and because you know we're gonna do the zoo keeping thing and we had all these plans but then he had committed suicide and he had hung himself in a house that we're meant to move into. AndJulia Zemiro  14:08  sorry to hear that Corey that must have been a horrible thing to witness.Corey Tutt  14:11  It changed everything for me. It changed everything for me and it was the second time in my life that I'd experienced death at a really young age and and not just you know older people actual young people dying and it hit me a lot harder than the accident that I'd witnessed when I was a kid because I was an adult now I was 18 What do you do when you're a baby face a 10 year old when you've you've lost your best mate and I think that you know the things I ignored at the zoo like the low pay rates the over hours we work the you know the things you have to deal with that, you know that zoo keepers have to deal with on a daily basis that aren't you know, there aren't glamorous, the zoo, the zoo life is not glamorous at all. Those are things that I decide that I, I didn't like that much anymore. I didn't have the motivation. I was struggling with my why, why am I doing this? Why was this my passion and you know, even seeing a blue tongue lizard just didn't you know, I get so much energy even now when I see a cool animal that I haven't seen in ages. And I lost that. And that is a really scary thing that is like losing, you know, it's like looking in the mirror and seeing someone completely different. I saw an ad in the the Illawarra mercury. I feel a bit stupid now talking about it. But I got in my best low suit, which was my year 10 formal suit at 18. And I got off to this guy's house and I rang up and he said, you've got an interview on Monday. So I went to his house. And he I walked in and I had a cup of tea in his eye. So you sat in Monday, and I like, what, what and I worked out quite later that I was the only person that applied. So I felt a bit stupid wearing my formal suit and to give the listeners a brief description of what my formal suit looked like. I was a massive Good Charlotte fan, where I had white volleys, white belt, black pants, white suspenders, and a white tie in a white hat. And it was a bit it was a bit of a good child. And so it's a bit of a punk. So I wore that to the alpacaJulia Zemiro  16:22  interview and what was the job you're going to be a shear ofCorey Tutt  16:25  alpacas is no an alpaca handler.Julia Zemiro  16:27  I handle up brightCorey Tutt  16:29  James had been a bit creative with the title. Because he had had no like he had no people applying for this job. Wow. Anyway, we I get there and it's my first day. So the first packet that comes out, they show me how to put it down safely they go this is how you boil it down safely cuz you got to tie them down. And to show them safely. And I'm like, Oh, yep, got this. I've been feeding a formula crocodile for the last year and a half. Um,Julia Zemiro  16:56  you know, thanks. I'veCorey Tutt  16:57  got I've got it. Yeah, it's gonna be fine. And little did I know that the first alpaca that I'll go and she would headbutt me in the face, and crack my cheekbone. And I'm crying like I'm bawling my eyes out, like trying not to cry, but I'm more crying but I'm fine. You know, James asked me if I'm right. And he could see my he could see my face, like swelling up. Little did I know that that moment with James would be my unofficial counseling where he, he was like the father, I never had in the sense that he was someone I could talk to that I was stuck sitting next to for 12 hours a day, in the car driving between jobs. And in time, time went slow. When when my best friend had time was going very, very fast. And he slowed it down for me. And I think that sharing saved my life. If it wasn't for James, I don't think I would be here. Like that's a really tough thing to comprehend. Because if I hadn't met him at that time, at that point in my life, would he have had the impact on me that he has? Probably not.Julia Zemiro  18:05  When did deadly science come into play? When's that sort of starting up in your head?Corey Tutt  18:10  When deadly science started, I was working as an animal technician at the University of Sydney and I started talking to these kids in Redfern and Waterloo. And we'll talk about any everything I would, you know, I'd show them some of the stuff that I was doing. I'll tell them about the researchers, I would show them on my iPhone, all this science stuff that you know was going on. And they were just so intrigued. They loved them. They were so you're and the moment that I was doing that I felt the love again that I had when I was at the zoo the days where I was so happy that I nothing could change anything for me like I was so in like I was so in the zone. And one of the kids said to me is how come I didn't get these opportunities? And this is like this is deadly. And this is science? How come I didn't get these opportunities. And, you know, I, I sort of thought about it. And then I started Googling remote schools and, and just I found out that our schools are just completely under resourced with STEM. And we naturally told Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander kids that sport and art are the only ways to be successful. And how about I just send you some books and this one school had 15 books in its whole school. And I ended up you know, going to Demyx and dropping down a k gets a grant of solid hard cash. And I purchased so many books that I could barely carry them out of the shop. And I sent those books at school. And I it was it was something in me that clicked because there was one school that that said hey, how about you send books to my school? My friends over here because we need more science books and more equipment and things like that. And I started a second job I worked at the handrolled pet hotels up at Duffy's force and I scrubbed and cleaned candles, I acted as a receptionist. So I probably act as a security guard at times as well. I worked really hard for a number of months I, I did things like, you know, jobs for mates, I sold some of my possessions. You know, I, I did things like that I worked extra hours. I think I sold my TV at one point to pay for these books. And then it was married and large. And actually, I met a friend, Dr. Karl. And he gave me some books. And then Mary and largers. Like you should set up a GoFundMe because people would people donate to this, you know, people like want to help you like,Julia Zemiro  20:41  GoFundMe is such a great way to get something started. I mean, everyone's happy to chip in 10 or $20. And then if everybody does it, then you can really make something of it.Corey Tutt  20:51  And yeah, little did I know why before like I was, I started putting it online, what I was doing, and I like at that point, I probably sent about 2000 books off, or so putting it online. And I, you know, I put this GoFundMe in place, and I was happy with just 500 bucks to be honest, because I was spending so much money on books and things. And I ended up becoming friends with this thing, this fella called Brian Cox on Twitter. And he was all right, like, you know, he's right. Yeah, he's nice. And he gave me some books. And I met him. And I didn't really know the protocol. I didn't coined Professor Cox or anything like that as a Braun.Julia Zemiro  21:35  If you're not sure who he's talking about, it's Brian Cox, of course, from television, and him and I worked together on stargazing, and yeah, that was, that's what Twitter is for Cory, isn't it? You just go, why not just ask, he can only say no,Corey Tutt  21:52  I gave him a blackfella handshake. And I'm not sure he was ready for that. But, you know, it grew from there. And I, I had this email come up on my phone, and I was like, and I remember really well, you have been nominated for Young Australian of the Year and I'm what, what the hell is that? Wow, I didn't even know what it was. And I ended up going and I sort of said to my mom, I'm like, you know, mom, I'd really like you to come with me, you know, to the award ceremony because I feel like you deserve to see your son and or your daughter, you know when saying worthwhile and and I wanted to bring it because I I just wanted her to I just wanted her to have a proud moment. You know, she's she hasn't always had the best and you know, and she came along and and Gladys read my name out. I went up i waddled up the stairs because I was very excited. I was very nervous. And I sat down and I handed my honor roll to my mom. I'm like, This is yours. And you know, I was gonna be honest, Julie, I was gonna have a couple of cheeky freebies and say, Wow, well done. pat myself on the back. But before I knew it, my Gladys Virgie Clinton had read my name out again. And she is like, and the youngest strolling is for New South Wales, Cory Todd, and it's like, I got up on stage and I'm like most boot shoes be kind to your mum. Yeah, and it was just like, my life changed from that moment.Julia Zemiro  23:23  It's true that an award like an Australian of the Year young Australian, the it brings incredible opportunity, but baggage as well. Sometimes it's a big responsibility. And you say your life changed in what ways?Corey Tutt  23:35  One, I had a camera in my face. When the time I got dragged. As soon as I got off stage, I didn't get to say anything to my partner had to deal with the expectation of this looming event where I was up against ash body, the world number one in tennis.Julia Zemiro  23:53  What was another Australian of the Year? Well, sheCorey Tutt  23:56  was a finalist, she was the Queensland Australian of the Year and a finalist for the National one. And to be honest, I, I don't think I handled it as well as what I could have. But, you know, the the thing is, is that you only get to do these things once and I quickly learned that I could utilize my award and, and the trophy and stuff and I can go out to schools and I could put a bit of gaffer tape of my name, which sounds really bizarre. And I could let kids hold it and I could let them tell me why they should be the Australian, the and the answer is we're I'm kind of my mom. I'm kind to you know, my people in the playground. I, I, you know, I do the right thing. And, and these are the reasons why they deserve to be and there's the reasons why I deserve to be as well and everyone soJulia Zemiro  24:46  lately, you said something before, it's very interesting. You said we often expect that Indigenous kids will thrive in sport or art. There's this notion that but that other stuffs too hard or beyond that. that must be met you sign. I mean, it's just a ridiculous thing to think, isn't it?Corey Tutt  25:04  I remember I had a remote school once, contact me, and it was the teacher from that school. And I, you know, as I do I normally talk to the principal and I say, what do you need, and this principal turn around and told me that don't bother sending resources here, because our kids will never learn. And it's, you know, and I'm like, Why is this person in a job, and I had a quite a big extensive argument with this principle. Problem, or at least give these kids a chance, you know, lease, work with them, why try and work with them don't occupy a space where you are, you know, you are trying to mentor these kids into a future, but you will not accept resources because you don't think your kids deserve them. So it's never been easy. I've made mistakes along the way. Like, I've like anyone.Julia Zemiro  25:55  I think if you don't make mistakes, you don't learn and at least it's worth trying. And stuffing it up sometimes, because, you know, it's pretty hard having an argument with a principal and I toured high schools doing Shakespeare in high schools when I was 27. And did two years of at different schools, you know, all over the all throughout the year, you know, driving it all van in all four of us and, and put up 200 chairs and do Shakespeare for kids. And, you know, you'd walk into some schools, and it's so funny, the vibe you would get from a head teacher or a principal would absolutely tell you what that school was about. And, yeah, I mean, some of the we just go, you know, and say hopeless, no, don't don't get any of it. You thinking, wow, well, we're here, we're gonna do it anyway. But let's surprise you. And always at the end of the show, always a teacher would come up and say, I cannot believe when you ask for volunteers, that that particular kid put his or her hand up, because they could do anything and you thinking, Yeah, well, maybe because they used to, they're in a new environment with new people.Corey Tutt  26:57  So me also, like the T, like, teachers are great, they're worth their weight in gold, but they can quickly become burnt out. And I quickly found because of the lack of resources and support, and it's it flows down. So any of those teachers I actually have a lot of sympathy for. Because if you're burnt out that much, then it's taken a while for you to get to that point, because most teachers are starting off to make things better for our kids. And, and, you know, like, there was moments along the way, especially that after I won, you know, the the award that I had started a new job two weeks in, and I literally won that award, the second week, I was there. So all of a sudden, I was, you know, the highest achieving staff member within, you know, and this was like, you know, I'm really sorry, I can't do my job right now. Because I have to go and do this thing with SPS or deleting this ABC. And I love talking to the media, like I love it. Because I get to talk about these kids in the work. But then there was this expectation that I do my job, but also the other people in my year, especially at my employer saying, no, no, we want you to do this media thing. But we don't want to fund deadly science and we don't want to fund you. But we want you to do this media thing. And, you know, I think I've gotten better at enjoying the moment more. So when when I won this Eureka this time around, I was actually the calmest I've ever been. Because I knew that everything I've gone through to this moment right now has been for a reason. And now my reason is and my why is to help inspire these kids to be to be good people, and hopefully tomorrow be good scientists.Julia Zemiro  28:48  Absolutely. Where's it at now? Deadly science. So what I suppose what's next for it? Or is there do you see an end and then you go and do something else?Corey Tutt  29:00  That's a really tough question. But I like next to deadly science is that I've just hired two or three new people that, you know, I've only had, like, I've only had the one employee and that wasn't me. And I had to learn. I started paying myself, which is something that I never thought could be a thing. Yeah. Even though I was putting all this hours in, so I'm learning how to be a boss. Now I'm learning how to be the difference between being a caring boss and being someone that that needs to leave as well. And also someone that you know, let someone else take over the steering wheel for a bit because, you know, as a friend, Dr. Carr would say, micro sleeps can get you at any time. But for me, it's um, you know, I I'm starting to transition deadly science into getting more voices in so that he can, he can be a sustainable entity on its own, and I can focus on the good stuff I do. In cosmic vertigo with Carly noon and, and zooming the kids and, you know, just enjoying, like, when you do something like deadly science, there's three things that happen. You find your, you find yourself doing way too many hours, because you're so passionate. It's like being it's like having the latest Harry Potter book and you want to stay up and read as much as you can, but you're tired. But also you, you get an appreciation for what is out there. And also, the third one is that you burn out, you burn out very, very easily. And there's not many people that are going to pick you up when you burn out. So you need to support yourself with the people that can. And for me, I don't really want to be sitting in the seat of CEO in 10 years time. I want one of my deadly scientists to be sitting in there and I want it to be so good that it employs them. And they can continue to support the next generation beyond me and if I'm if I'm still around, and I'm sure I will be. I hope that I'm there to support them. And I'm there that I'm that person pick them up when they're burnt out.Julia Zemiro  31:15  Thank you so much, Corey. Certainly 30 years of age already done so much. And yeah, I particularly love that comment at the end about burnout. You know, it's you can reach incredible heights in your work and in your life. And there's always going to be lows and in betweens, but burnout is a real issue. And when you work that hard off your own bat, you've got to look after yourself and put yourself first sometimes and I want to give out the lifeline number for anybody who might need it. One Three double 114 is a number if anything came up for you listening to that interview one three double 114 And that's a lifelineDan Ilic  31:58  what up Jay Z asked who cares? Sure, boy, Jay Z makes nice. No bad Jay Z jewelers zero. This is Julia zero asks, Who cares?Julia Zemiro  32:08  Next up, I'm talking with Haley McGuire. She's a proud damsel and South Sea Islander woman from Rockhampton. She's got a passion for working with young people to be critical and active drivers in their own education ecosystem. Where Indigenous ways of knowing being and doing are embedded and tied to the aspirations of both indigenous nations and their young people. To drive this work. She co founded the National indigenous youth education coalition, which is a growing collective of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander young people to reclaim their indigenous rights to education. She's also an Obama Foundation leader in the Asia Pacific. But I started asking her about she was once a presenter at her local Mary radio station in Rockhampton.Hayley McQuire  33:03  Yeah, well, actually, that was my first introduction to doing real I guess community, grassroots work. And, you know, as a millennial, I think we often get pictured as we don't even like to do phone calls. And that was definitely me. And so doing community radio forced me to actually speak to people, the under text message, and it's really built really foundational communication skills that I'm so thankful for.Julia Zemiro  33:32  Did you have a good experience of education growing up?Hayley McQuire  33:37  I think it was overall, positive, you know, education for, like, my family and for my parents was a priority. Because it was seen as that tool that we know that me and my siblings could use to, you know, support ourselves in the long run. But there are times when I look back on my educational experiences. And you see that, yeah, there are some things where he could see the inequity. And a lot of that has really come in hindsight, not so much when you're in the moment. Just little things like during my work experience, and in high school, and I wanted to be a teacher, I went back to my old primary school, you just see, like, the little differences in how kids are being treated or like the different expectations of Aboriginal kids. And that's not to say like there was malicious or any ill intent there. But yeah, I feel like there could have been things that were better.Julia Zemiro  34:47  It's often said that historically, education for indigenous and Torres Strait Island people has been about assimilation and control. What is what's the state of it at the moment do you ThinkHayley McQuire  35:01  I think those, that legacy is still ongoing. You know, like, right now we're having a conversation about what we teach the next generation about the truth of our history, right? We have an education minister who was calling for a patriotic curriculum that gives a fair and that doesn't present a negative view of the past, because that might cause further indecision. But, you know, I questioned that completely, because, one, in first and foremost, it's about the experiences of Aboriginal Torres Strait Islander students in the classroom. And this was an experience I had when you go into your history classroom. And you're told that Captain Cook discovered Australia that you're founded as a nation of convicts, and that's the Australian story. Well, that doesn't include, you know, Aboriginal Torres Strait Islander people pre colonization, but also our fights for rights in a fair quality, fair society, land rights, all of the fight, everything that Aboriginal Torres Strait Islander people have achieved in this country has been fought for by our, our mob, you know, and to say that, for us wanting to fight for freedom is presenting is not consistent with that view, or a patriotic Australia, I think, is really unfair. So we see that, you know, we see this, the way that the story that we want to tell ourselves as continuing a colonial narrative, right through to, you know, our measurements of success, you know, for Aboriginal touchdown, the kids, when you think about educational success, you think attendance rates, or school retention, those are just indicators, those aren't the markers of what a good quality education is, for our people, or how we see that, you know, if you've been fortunate enough to see me in my blood, it runs film, you'll see how like this focus, hyper focus on school attendance, and actually having those metrics map to then welfare payments, that will impact a whole family, this kind of control is still continuing. And it's continuing in a lot of different ways.Julia Zemiro  37:29  Our education minister, Alan Tudge, is, is living in a kind of an era, like the conservative 50s with the way he speaks about this constant attention to patriotism, I mean, that I don't relate to that at all. It's like everything in the government at the moment, they're completely out of touch with the fact that we have to start doing things in a new way. We have to start seeing and I I can't understand why people can't get excited by that, instead of being isn't change awful. It's like it's some changes, good. And surely anything that is inclusive, and everything that is investigating, and being curious, again, about where we've been is a good thing.Hayley McQuire  38:07  Yeah. And I feel like, there's so many opportunities that we have to actually be leaders on a world stage, we could be leaders on climate action on a world stage. You know, we could be leaders in investing in indigenous self determined nation building and, and systems and structures that are innovative, you know, like, the Aboriginal medical services, and the origins of those are innovative, they're innovative in providing primary health care. Even the ways that we think about, you know, indigenous education and some of the work that's already happening in this space around making sure Ling Ling learning is connected, the country is connected to place, it's grounded in a holistic view of the whole Well, being of a student. You know, these are this is innovation, you know, that's coming out of indigenous communities every day. But yeah, it's it's so unfortunate, that we seem to be stifling that progress for some kind of backward ideology. We're recordingJulia Zemiro  39:25  this just before cop, part of what those of us who do believe in climate change we'd like to see is, you know, joining the rest of the world in terms of calling for changes that have to happen in terms of climate and renewables, but in involved in that has to be an understanding of or isn't this now a time to also say, how do we now really connect with our history on indigenous people what we've done what we can be, and get that treaty and get a statement from the heart where we can be united like we want to be united?Hayley McQuire  39:58  Yeah, well, I think this thing to which people might forget about that happened with colonization is that, you know, we had a learning system and knowledge system that came from country that came from observing country and how it changed how it worked over 1000s and 1000s of years, and that's then built our identity, our culture's our ways of being and connecting. And with colonization, we brought in western education system, Western forms of Parliament, Western sciences, which were disconnected from country, you know, and so when we look at the impacts that climate change has on country, the systems that we're working in operating in, in Australia, are fundamentally at the foundational level, disconnected, you know, and so, yeah, it's about learning that history, but also, we need to think about that actually, our connection to our environment, and our connection to land, and seas and our waterways, plays a part in who we are as human beings. And as people. As long as that, you know, disconnection continues, and it continues through the different systems that uphold like our current society and the way that society works, we're not going to make the change that we need, you know, so I think it's a whole, it's a cultural change, as well,Julia Zemiro  41:39  when I listen to you speak highly, I just think how incredible would it be? How normal should it be? How right it would be to have 15 of you in Parliament today, reminding us of that, reminding us that this is where you're living now, this is what this is. And making us connect again, it's finding connections again, with this, as you say, this country and nature, and looking after her and and also undoing trying to well, we can undo a bit try to give back in terms of what we've taken away from your people. And in terms of the incredible harm we've done as well.Hayley McQuire  42:22  We have some incredible representation inside Parliament right now. But yeah, I feel like there's, there's so many moms out there who are young and who are doing this work at the grassroots level, even though in Parliament, it would be great. But um, there is a lot of work happening. And I think some of the people that are leading the way in this space is definitely seed, and really Telford at the who's leading that first ever grassroots Youth Climate Action Group. So but that's just one example of many really, yeah,Julia Zemiro  42:58  to drive this work you're trying to do you co founded the National indigenous youth education coalition. And that's a growing collective of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander young people to try and reclaim that, indeed, to try and reclaim I can't believe I have to say the sentence reclaiming indigenous rights to education, it's, it's so awful to have to even say that, that you don't have that. But what does that look like? How's that different?Hayley McQuire  43:22  Well, I think the ultimate goal for us, in our mind is where we see a First Nations lead education system, you know, whatever that model is, or I mean, you know, we're still trying to figure that out. But basically, you know, in our current education, ecosystem, we have like a broad network of public schools, we've got independent schools, Catholic schools, why not? Why can't Why haven't we yet had support for a First Nations education system where, you know, local communities can actually think about how do they want to govern in deliver education on their country, one to preserve, you know, our cultural heritage, our languages and culture, however, that nation sees fit, but also to really invest in indigenous pedagogy that has been caring for this continent since time immemorial, you know, and I think at that level, there's so much that can be gained for all children to have access and opportunity to an education system that's being led by First Nations people. And you know, we often hear about like the importance of integration and you know, embedding Aboriginal tertia and perspectives into whole of systems or curriculum and yes, that's important, but we also need to think about the power dynamic. Mix at play. And through First Nations lead education system we're trying to make sure Well, we wanting to make sure that at that leadership governance level, that the power sets were first nations people in communities.Julia Zemiro  45:15  My dad is French, and my mum's Australian. She made him overseas. And then we came to Australia. By chance, my primary school, my Ozzie primary school, had some French classes in it. So I did all my primary school in French. And I remember my parents being so thrilled that even though we weren't in France, I would be able to retain my French language. And it only occurred to me in the last few years. Why should I have the luxury of learning my language that is miles away on the other side of the world? And we weren't all as kids learning one of the many indigenous languages. I mean, it's it's so heartbreaking, Hayley. It's so heartbreaking, that that, that that was available in the 70s. And Greek school was available for kids on a Saturday. Yeah. And you couldn't learn an indigenous language anywhere. And we're lucky to have people like Stan Grant's father who, you know, tried to, you know, got that like that his language back and fought hard to make that happen. It's the inequity discontent, because, you know, you would you're thinking of that wave of migrants needed that support, but indigenous people needed that support, too.Hayley McQuire  46:29  Yeah, and it, and it's like, that's the thing, I think, the principles around that, like, of course, you would want all young people to be able to retain that sense of self and, and connect to who they are, you know, but that same opportunity has just never been fully given to First Nations people at like, at a systemic level, I should say, you know, there has been like that grassroots movement, you know, and innovation, you know, that community members have fought for, and I think that's the great thing about the national indigenous youth education coalition is that we do get to inherit, you know, like, the activism that came through, you know, when they had a few Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander schools set up, you know, there is more, I think, public, yeah, acceptance of these rights, like you're demonstrating yourself, Julia, but it's that next is that next level now that I feel like us as young people responsible for and you know, for Aboriginal, especially young people, you know, were responsible for passing down this longest continuing culture in the world, while also facing down really complex, global challenges, like climate change, that, you know, are threatening our cultural heritage sites, or, you know, like globalization and just the tensions that that brings, or different changing kind of technology, like all these really hard issues, and then we have to think about it within the ways that this Australian government continues to treat our people, we're operating in a really complex environment, but I feel like I'm very fortunate that we've got, we stand on the shoulders of giants, really, there seemsJulia Zemiro  48:37  to be a common theme to that it's, it's your generation and down that are having to do the heavy lifting. And I for one, just want to keep saying to people, I'm here to help, like if you need sandwiches made, or you need some faxing, done, because that's my era, but don't ask me to send any complicated emails. But I mean, you know, I feel like you're just a beautiful speaker. It's I'm so heard you on many, many different podcasts like this. And, and I love it when you say that we need a stronger educational dialogue in this country. And I would certainly say that for non Indigenous education as well. I think they're kind of getting it wrong. I think that's sort of losing traction, like what are you making people for the future? How you making people for the future? And indeed, this indigenous way in this indigenous way of looking at things is actually more progressive would be more useful?Hayley McQuire  49:28  Yeah, I think it's funny you say that like, and, again, like, I completely agree. I've been able to do some work with learning creates Australia, which is a growing alliance of different businesses, educators, you know, education providers and policymakers across the country who are wanting to connect together over what is that future of learning in Australia? And that's, yeah, that's been really positive and we've made sure that we've centered you know that first nations self determinations. And sovereignty is part of that piece of work. But really, it's it's so fundamental, you know, I feel like sometimes, and I'm, I've only been a parent for five years now. But I feel like, as you become a parent, too, you want to try and outsource things as much as you can. But you know, we can't get we, we can't look at education the same way where it's something that we outsource to the States or to the state, really, we really have to think about our young people. And that future that they're going to inherit, like, like I said before, is what the situation of Aboriginal touch on the young people is, all young people are facing a really complex future, and we don't even know what the future jobs are going to look like, or what's the future society is going to look like? And so we have to think about, well, what are those core values that we want all young people to inherit? What if we think about, you know, our future generations, like, six, seven generations from now? What do you want that society to look like? Because, really, that's what our knowledge systems do, is they connect us to those people in the future that we're not going to meet? You know, how do we? How do we want to tell them about ourselves, but also what we hope we want them to be able to? to do? You know, like, that's why I feel like education is just so fundamental, and also quite beautiful in but yeah, we are operating with in a system that came out of, you know, the last industrial revolution, revolution, you know, like, it's 150 year old kind of model. And when we look into the future, well, is this Is it adequate? You know, yeah,Julia Zemiro  52:07  Is it adequate guy I was looking at, you know, in general, in high schools, you know, you're doing your English, Mathematics, Science and Technology, you'll do your human society in its environment. That's one of them, Personal Development, Health, Physical Education, creative arts, languages, if you're lucky, vocational education and training, geography, you know, where's the critical thinking in that, you know, where we teachers already talk about how, because my mom was a teacher, she was a language teacher, and teachers, you know, 2530 years ago, talk about how they could do their subject. They could do this subject, but they could also, you know, go off track and maybe do other bits do something real like they might do civics or they might do politics, or they might do how Parliament work at Parliament House work. So and now there's a sense that you're really quite boxed in now you are you really have to concentrate on your, on your subject. And there's, there's also no time there's way more admin now as well. And the Teachers Federation is constantly talking about pay rises, teachers haven't been their pay hasn't increased in so long, and, and yet, during the pandemic, I would have thought this was the time when everybody would have looked at teachers and gone off. That's what they do. They're incredible.Hayley McQuire  53:23  Yeah, I feel like teachers should be. Yeah, valued just as much as we value our health practice practitioners in a way. And, you know, I think, yeah, it's, it's so you're so right, in terms of just like, those are the common things that we hear about, you know, the crowded curriculum, or, you know, the additional stress that educators have put on da. And I just think to like, taking a step back, like, you know, the type of inequity that is faced here, education system, too. We know that we got one of the most socially segregated education systems in the OECD. So the type of education that you're going to have access to, if you're from a low economic household is going to be completely different to those with wealth or who live in particular areas. You know, some of this comes through, you know, depending on you know, your situation, sometimes you don't even have that choice, over the type of education that you can give to your child. You know, those are really like, hard issues when you think about, like the importance of having a good quality, public education, you know, that's accessible to all young people and where teachers with the In that, you know, do you have a level of agency? And do you feel like they're being recognized in and rewarded? Yeah, I feel like subjects are a great way to explore content. But yeah, I think another issue that comes along is the pathway that we tend to put all young people on is towards a university pathway, which is well or bad. But when you get to those senior secondary years, there's a strong emphasis on like, your type of aches task, or you get the way that those are reined in calculated, a, you know, it's the system kind of maintaining itself. And so we need to also think about, well, how do we create broader metrics and broader ways of recognizing all the fantastic things that young people knowing can do? Like if they don't work in the arts? Or, you know, if they're a musician, or if they've done so much work for their communities? You know, how are we really recognizing that and giving currency, to the richness of that those experiences and knowledge is that young people have broader than just a, you know, a 99, on an ATAR.Julia Zemiro  56:19  I know, I mean, I went to an acting school, you know, try that for all the acting schools got into one in Melbourne. And I was 24, by the time I got there, and the way they taught, I learned how to learn there, basically, because I finally got that, oh, you can learn by watching. Or you can learn by doing, or you can learn by it's not just all by reading and writing. And that's important. We don't just learn you got to do things if I physically don't do something. So, you know, should we be spending eight hours or six hours a day inside? Maybe that some of that time should be outside? What does the First Nations lead education system look like to you? Like if you're if you had your wildest dreams, and something wacky happened, like, I became prime minister and said, Yeah, we're making tertiary, secondary and primary free. Go for the army, the smart country, and I've gone highly Yes, here you go. Instead of spending money on submarines, you may have this money. And let's do something interesting. Is there a kind of a, a dream scenario to begin with?Hayley McQuire  57:25  Yeah, well, for me, like, I always think about it in terms of, I think I've used enough time, I don't know if I'll reach the scope for my daughter, but hopefully my grandchild or great granny, but I do, I do want them to be able to go, like, my idea is that we'd have our own to rumble school on terrible country, and that the classroom wouldn't necessarily be the four walls and the chairs, like, yeah, that would be an option, but spending a lot of time on country where they can, I feel like just get getting that grounding of who they are as a charitable person, and like, the different responsibilities we have to country, I think would be the foundation of that curriculum. I don't think that I'd get rid of like, the school bell. I like full lunches, and recess and stuff like that. 100% Yeah. And like, you know, yeah, I just, I don't know why that's the thing, but get rid of the school bell. And I'd see it as more like, integrated with the community, you know, like, yeah, like, I'd see, like, Where could they be possibilities for shared space, you know, where community can where the school is vital hub, you know, of other community services. And, you know, like, there are great examples happening like the Murray school, they have health services run out of the school, or I'd like to see like communal, like libraries and, and that kind of stuff. But really, it's just something where there's not like that invisible wall, between the school and in the space that it's operating in. That's what I'd want to see and where all children but especially young, like Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander kids, don't feel like they have to hide a bit of them, or they don't feel like they have to sacrifice. Like the best of them who they are, in order to succeed at school,Julia Zemiro  59:34  but also to be bold and loud in it. I want to be bold and loud, like any other kid is and make noise in that language or make noise in my identity and not be told off because, you know, I'm an Aboriginal Torres Strait Islander kid doing that. Yeah, you know, there's a theory that you know, teenagers would be better off starting school at nine or 10am or later because they need the sleeping what are they in there at 7:30am doing for you know, whatever. they could start at 10. And finish at five. Because it suits the more you know, this is very western also idea about, well, you will if meet your means you're working hard if you're up at seven o'clock you're already in, then you're swamped. 20 laps. And you've done this and done that. And I really thought that COVID would be this incredible reminder. And people are talking about about I don't want to go back to how busy I was before what has busy even mean.Hayley McQuire  1:00:27  Yeah. i The thing is, if it's if it can happen on Zoom, I'll be happy.Julia Zemiro  1:00:36  Where do you see yourself? In the next 10 years? You know, you're, you're someone who's had the most incredible kind of you know, I mean, you're co founder of the of this indigenous youth education coalition co chair of learning creates Australia, and Obama Foundation leader in the Asia Pacific. Is there a job? Or is there a purpose, something that you feel like your pivot pivot if I can use that hideous COVID word? Pivot? Do you see you see yourself in a different position in 10 years time?Hayley McQuire  1:01:11  Well, to use another COVID slang? Well, now more than ever, I've realized. Yeah, like in 10 years time, like, I honestly don't know, I know that by that time, I'd want. Like, I'd be out of the coalition and be run by continue to be run by young, younger people. But I think I would love to be able to play a role in I love to convene, and bring different people together around issues where, you know, multiple people aren't satisfied, you know, so whatever that kind of looks like would take shape. I feel like there's power in bringing yet different coalition's of people together. And I think that see, that's the only way forward, you know, Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I'd hope to be playing some kind of service type role in that area.Julia Zemiro  1:02:10  Have you had mentors along the way that have been able to help? And are they hard to find?Hayley McQuire  1:02:16  Yeah, I've had, I've had a few mentors. And actually, mentoring has been really important to me. And I've just been that weird person. i Well, my first mentor is this incredible Ratterree and one over a woman, Donna Marie, he's also the CEO of indigenous Allied Health Australia. And I remember seeing her speak once in it only took one time. And I think I was like, 20. And as soon as she got off the stage, I just bailed her up and said, Can you please mentor me? And then that's been about 10 years or so now? of mentoring. So yeah, I've had some really powerful mentors, but it's just been more of that informal one. So I've met someone and just, like seeing kind of how they think and Yeah, been been able to, to learn a lot from from a few people. Now.Julia Zemiro  1:03:15  I sometimes have had mentors who didn't even know they were my mentor. You know, this is someone you admire, and they're in your frame of reference, or maybe they're not even, but you just go Bob cheedo? Yeah, okay. Yeah, you know, this sort of, you kind of align with their system of beliefs, I guess. And you think, you know, like I said, he might be a great lecturer, or might be a great teacher, or even just a work colleague, and you think, yeah, no, she wouldn't. She wouldn't do that she wouldn't do that. And they don't even know. And then I remember years later, telling them and then going, Oh, thanks. You could have come up. And I'm like, Ah, now this. Mentoring just has you say it's touching base with with her and being able to say, I'm thinking of doing it this way. What do you reckon? You know?Hayley McQuire  1:04:00  Yeah. Yeah. And I've been really lucky that my mentors haven't just been for me individually, but they've kind of come in and mentored, like, a whole night crew. Well, we've been trying to think about strategy, you know, like, you're just volunteering their time to help with our strategic planning or like, help us understand a particular focus or topic, like I've been able to draw on those to really help set the foundations for the coalition as well, which is, I feel like, yeah, that's, that's also the best way to use mentoring is to it's like, it's like being able to draw on your own star advisory team toJulia Zemiro  1:04:47  really love a star advisory team. Finally, you know, this podcast is called who cares? And I'm trying to get people to kind of care a little bit more in there. Every day life, and there's no data can seem overwhelming. And if you did it 24 hours a day, seven days a week, you know, I mean, that's what that's what you're asking. But it's just saying, I guess, make a little bit more effort in your own life to challenge your own thinking or challenge your own habits or challenge, what you think is absolutely true. You know, that is the truth. And that well, is it? Because I also think that when we go to this next election, could it be December? Could it be March? Who knows? We don't know. But um, we're voting on lots of things. That way, we're not just voting on climate change, we're voting on how we want to be represented what we want to see. And I keep talking about the election as being like an exam people should study for, you know, you can't be going in there going, God, I didn't look anything up, I've got no idea who anyone is, you want to go in there and make good decisions about, you know, what, who you gonna vote for? And why. But in terms of this new way of looking at education, how can what can what can a person do? Like? What's the way do you start with your local community? Do you is it about donations, you know, I think everyone should be donating some money if they can, and be, you know, be smart about where you put that money, do something good with it,Hayley McQuire  1:06:15  I'd say like, just think about, you know, education, to me is all about legacy, you know, like, you know, like you think about just even the different things that you get passed down to you within like a family kind of unit, it might be a particular meal that everyone cooks, or, you know, there's something that you do every time, you know, New Year's rolls around. Like, the what we teach, and the values we teach young people is a form of L legacy, you know, you hardly ever meet someone who can't recall their favorite teacher or can't recall a particular moment that they had at school. You know, education is just so powerful in shaping individuals and shaping our society. And so my call to action would be to look at, you know, how the who's going to invest in education, but what kind of education? Do you want an education that only serves to, that seems to be in service to some kind of political ideology? Or do you want to invest in an education that is caring about young people, and caring about young people's futures, because that is ultimately our future that we're, that we're all going to be betting on. SoJulia Zemiro  1:07:45  it's interesting, because when you speak of those traditions, you know, white folks love their traditions of having gone to this school, and I want my son to go to this school, and then my grandson will go to this school, you know, there's this sense of, you know, and there was some English background, whereas apparently, we're not allowed to celebrate the traditions and in your culture. And if yours are so important one, then why isn't an indigenous Torres Strait Islander? That's just as important to you clearly want that. So why don't you allow it in another? And in fact, why not maybe learn about it and be part of it. And I guess, you know, if they can be a Montessori school, and they can be a Steiner School, you know, you know, where people have said, I don't like the way things are done. So we want these separate kind of schools where they do different things where often it is a more experiential way of learning, actually going outside, be more, there's, there's room for it, I just, I really think we're at a point at the moment where we are going to have to do some things so differently, and the change will have to come faster, because it has to come faster. And it's just wondering if people have the courage to do it. And where do you get excited about stop seeing this downside of it? See the upside of it, you know?Hayley McQuire  1:08:59  Yeah, I agree. I think this is the time where we can actually be asking the people who want to lead this country, what their vision isJulia Zemiro  1:09:09  here and have one, why not have a vision, please have aDan Ilic  1:09:13  vision. Julissa Mira asks, Who cares?Julia Zemiro  1:09:16  Yes, let's have a vision. Leaders with vision. So we want what we want a bit more than that. Thank you so much, to Haley and to Cory, for doing the podcast this number two out of six podcasts in the next few months, I really have been reflecting on this notion that we are going to have to make some very, very significant changes in terms of climate in terms of wanting to reconcile with the indigenous people of this country to education, you know, how can we look at change as a good thing? How can we look at change as a necessary thing? We have to make so many of them at the moment and Finding a way to maybe switch our thinking to the good that can come out of it, how it called bind us together another the things that will separate us. Anyway, onwards and upwards. Hey, see you next month. Thanks for joining me.Unknown Speaker  1:10:13  Bye A Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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By announcing existing policies Angus Taylor says it shows the government's commitment to recycling and economists say that the chances of hitting net zero by 2050 are about 5050 and Andrew lambing MP withdrawals an apology for the treatment of to Brisbane women, prompting Andrew lemmings dad to apologize for not withdrawing to create Andrew laming. It's the 29th of October and things are about to get spooky. This is a rational fear.Hello, welcome to rational fee. I'm your host, former president of the walker Walker Gun Club Dan Ilic. And this is a rational fear the podcast that brings a little nihilistic joy to your existential anxiety. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. They caught a break at the start of their pandemic and just like COVID-19 Now they're everywhere from the feed vigia Rajon vija. How does it feel to be everywhere?Vidya Rajan  1:58  It's good. I always wanted to achieve, like cosmic union,Dan Ilic  2:03  and they've booked their first ever solo festival shows so you better go along and say it otherwise I'll give up comedy forever. From the chaser podcast. It's the overstretch. Gabby Bowles.Gabbi Bolt  2:12  Hello. Yes. I have no idea if I'm any good at this still. It's been almost a year, and I still don't know.Dan Ilic  2:19  Yes, I look. Finally you'll have the opportunity to be rejected by hundreds of people.Gabbi Bolt  2:23  I cannot wait. I cannot wait. I have like the T's in a jar ready to go to sprinkle on all of my sorry notes.Dan Ilic  2:32  And they fresh from holidays where he saw sunshine for the first time in 120 days. He's tall and tan, just like Barnaby Joyce's riding boots. It's Lewis harbor.Lewis Hobba  2:42  That's right. Slip into me. That'd be good to be back. After. After a week off. I had a nice time I went to Greater Sydney. I went an hour and a half away. It's the furthest I've been away since about April, I think and it's nice in Greater Sydney.Dan Ilic  2:58  How did you feel about Greater Sydney versus less Greater Sydney? What's what's your favorite? Where's your favorite place to be?Lewis Hobba  3:03  Yeah, I mean, I live in Leicester, Sydney. I live in the potter city. There's just all like rats and cockroaches. I went out to to VOCA, which is a little bit north. Heaven up there. Dan. I saw I saw a dolphin and a shark.Dan Ilic  3:18  Oh my goodness. That's the future. Coming up a little later on. We speak with Graham Redfin, from The Guardian about a true crime podcast series that highlights in gruesome detail the murdering of climate policy by Australia. But first, a message from this week's sponsor. This episode of irrational fear is brought to you by the camera modeling agency for when you need to put on a show. The Emperor says some wearing no clothes. Our planUnknown Speaker  3:43  for net zero by 2050 is the plan that I believe Australians want. Scott put it awayDan Ilic  3:51  the camera modeling agency, the critics contact you if you've got nothing to show. This is our small handful.Gabbi Bolt  3:57  Ours is getting boring.Dan Ilic  3:59  This week's first fear billboards, folks, we've done it. We've done our billboard campaign has gone off. It's been quite a few busy weeks for me. We've raised $226,000. From your Yes, yeah. Have you I know you've been away, Louis. So you probably haven't actually caught up on what we've been doing on the podcast while you've been away for the last couple of weeks.Lewis Hobba  4:24  I mean, I didn't listen, I'm not an idiot. I muted you on Twitter.Dan Ilic  4:30  There are a lot of comedians who've unfollowed me on Twitter.Gabbi Bolt  4:35  That's how you know you're famous Dan.Dan Ilic  4:38  Yeah, yeah. So we've we've we've raised $226,000 from 2580 people who are very annoyed about climate action or the lack of climate action from our government. We've absolutely shattered through our initial campaign of raising $12,000 And now we're paying for three huge billboards in July. One is on the Glasgow expressway between the cop center, the cop Conference Center and the airport. And the other two, one is on shelters and road in in garter share Glasgow and the other is on Rocklin Road in Strathclyde. Glasgow. So we've got we've got three giant billboards coming.Lewis Hobba  5:21  Did you get any like hot tips from locals on whether or not those are areas that were densely populated? ago? Or are you just you just hitting and swinging and missing? To beDan Ilic  5:30  honest, the Glasgow tower expressway is the big one. And that was sold into me hard by the out of home company. They said, Yeah, this is a pretty big one, right? Because the one I initially bought books for them was a real shitty one in a in a like a commuter cab.Lewis Hobba  5:44  Yeah. I was chatting to my family last night. And now like all the dads billboard campaigns going really well. I'm like, Yeah, it's amazing. And because my parents live in Torquay, in Victoria, and I was like, there's been one in Tokyo for like, a month. And that was like, Oh, we haven't seen it. I'm like, I don't know where he's put it.Dan Ilic  6:04  It's only Great Ocean Road. Like it's like, the main strip.Lewis Hobba  6:08  Yeah, I guess my parents are getting out much.Vidya Rajan  6:10  How long? How long is that one gonna be off? Can I go visit?Dan Ilic  6:14  Yeah, you certainly certainly can. I think it's going to be up for the next couple of months. So that one was given to us was a was a gift from the outdoor company gawk. So thank you, GOC for that, so they'll get to see they're gonna run that for a couple months for us for free. They just want to be part of the action. But we've had some we've had some artwork rejected from the out of home company. So let me show you what we're running. Here's what we're running. We're running Net Zero ambitions by 2050. Australia. We're running the other one from from New York, which is cuddle a koala before we make them extinct. And the other one we're running is the apology where we said we're sorry that Australia's bullshitting on our emissions targets. But they rejected the bullshitting with the Asterix in the word because they said it's swearing. So we've had to replace the word bullshitting with a Scottish word could hovering, which is apparently a Scottish word for foolish talk. So it kind of makes sense. How Lovering pavered Hmm.Lewis Hobba  7:19  Is this a drop bear situation? Have you beenUnknown Speaker  7:23  favored?Dan Ilic  7:27  I don't know. Maybe we've been Haven. It's a good enough story anyway, I think I think it'll work. So yeah, it's really good. Anyway, look, this is something we don't often talk about on the podcast. Because as our revenue grows, we we have a thing where we pay the rent, we give 5% of our Patreon to seed mob. So this project, it's going to be exciting to give $10,000 to between two groups seed mob and Wang and Jinglu cultural custodians who are defending their ancestral land on, which is where Adani is trying to build a mine. So that's really exciting. So big thank you. To all those folks who've chipped in, we are going to fall asleep spend the rest of your money on making jokes between now and May. And we've also got our billboard today went up in Armadale in Barnaby Joyce is illiterate, there it is their net zero by 2300. And we've also got a billboard that went up in Kooyong. Now, we are not allowed to advertise anything political in that particular billboard. So we ran this one, hey, it's time to buy a standing desk because you're about to lose your seat. And with enough space there for someone to write whenever they want. Ah, you know, so that's that's potentially potentially but we don't wantLewis Hobba  8:41  Josh there. That would be an option, wouldn't they should wouldn't that be awful?Dan Ilic  8:45  Or if they wrote Louis, I know, Louis, you don't have a standing desk? No,Lewis Hobba  8:49  that's true. That's true. I would love one.Dan Ilic  8:53  I do have some news on that particular billboard, though. Someone has defected already.Lewis Hobba  9:00  Didn't want to happen.Dan Ilic  9:01  Did they have royally? Like kind of done a great job? Well, have they done? This is what they've done.So for people who are listening to the podcast, instead of writing Josh after, hey, you Frydenberg in our writers at the very bottom of the artwork, so it says, hey, it's time to bystanders because you're about to lose your seat. FrydenbergVidya Rajan  9:35  grammatically, yeah, perfect. And it's so frightening. The handwriting is so beautiful.Dan Ilic  9:43  Someone sent it to me and they said, We're two geriatric people and we tried to give it a go and we were too nervous to climb the ladder that we brought and I was like, well, that is amazing. The beautiful thingGabbi Bolt  9:56  about them the notebooks over We call it like the notepad.Lewis Hobba  10:01  Yeah, but it's down.Dan Ilic  10:07  This week's second fee follow the money in 2018, the world's largest fund trader, Blackrock said they'd no longer invest in companies that failed to demonstrate that they also serve a social purpose, as well as generating profits. Now, this is a big deal. They have 8.7 trillion in investment and you can buy a lot for 8.7 trillion. You could get 10 and a half wars in Afghanistan for that kind of money. Or a three bedroom house in Sydney. Look, it is a lot of money. This week at a conference in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia, also known as the new castle of the Middle East, the CEO of Blackrock put his words behind green tech as the place where the next 1000 unicorns would be born. That is, private businesses worth over a billion dollars in such industries as green hydrogen, green cement and green steel in his mind, it'll make great money. fear mongers is Larry Fink, correct? The next 1000 unicorns gonna come out of these sectors vigia?Vidya Rajan  11:02  Probably, I don't know, like, I think we're looking for so many things to save us. But I think what's really interesting is that he said that and then I think they invest in the Commonwealth Bank, and they are they're like, major shareholders. And then the Commonwealth Bank had a resolution about like, whether they should divest from fossil fuels. And then I think, and then Blackrock voted no. So they're saying they want to invest in climate tech, but then they're letting I mean, maybe maybe that is the scam though, because like, all the climate tech they're investing in is just fixed the problem. And so if it gets worse and worse, the tech becomes more valuable.Lewis Hobba  11:39  Are you suggesting that these financial investors are serious about like, they're actually more interested in money? A group called who voluntarily called themselves BlackRock, BlackRock, viously, evil villain organization.Dan Ilic  11:53  Yeah. Named after their father Cole.Vidya Rajan  11:58  This kind of like, I'm like, Why do all these organizations like call themselves these cartoon villain names? It's like calling yourself like Mordor stone or something like that. And Enron, like, sounded like a robot that wanted to kill you. Like, it's all in the name?Lewis Hobba  12:13  Like, yeah, give yourself a nice name like Facebook, and then you never do anything.Vidya Rajan  12:17  Then you fool people for longer. And by the time you've done it, you're like, your mom's on there.Lewis Hobba  12:26  I'll be buried. Has there been any climate unicorns at all? Has there been one? Surely not, right. I can't think of one.Dan Ilic  12:35  And they're allLewis Hobba  12:37  like webs. They're all just websites. It's all just like, yeah, can burn. Like, there are all these people that just like, do it like making apps that kind of exist in like Microsoft Office and then putting them on the internet?Dan Ilic  12:49  Yeah, it is totally. It's suddenly be able to scale right across the world, you know, in a matter of months. That's That'sLewis Hobba  12:57  correct. KeepCup. They made a billion dollars.Gabbi Bolt  13:00  They have a billion dollars. Have you seen howDan Ilic  13:03  Tesla is close? IVidya Rajan  13:05  think there's literally a website. That's like climate tech unicorns.Lewis Hobba  13:11  And how many are there?Vidya Rajan  13:13  Now? Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. There's quite a few. Too many people have a billion dollars, I guess. You know.Lewis Hobba  13:22  Why didn't you ask for a billion dollars for your fundraising campaign? You could have been a unicorn.Dan Ilic  13:28  I asked for a million and you got 20% It's very disappointing.Lewis Hobba  13:32  The bad boy of Bilbo Chase failed a bad billionaire of Bill Bowles. That's Daniel.Unknown Speaker  13:40  Is Treasury ever done any modeling on the economic costs or benefits of net zero? I don't think so. In the period immediately before that we had done cleaning quantum change modeling. I don't know whether it's for us, but we haven't done it. A rational fear.Dan Ilic  13:55  This week's third fear Chris Evans is set to start in the prequel of Pixar Toy Story. This proving it's best to never have childhood memories so they can never be destroyed. The mangas is this prequel necessary? Do we really need it? Gabby?Gabbi Bolt  14:09  Here's the thing about this prequel. It's called Lightyear. Right. And from that you think it's about the Buzz Lightyear we all know and love. But I think this is actually the first time we see a prequel outlining the reason for a fake merchandise pitch in an alternate universe. It's the story of a fake man who inspires the fake toy company who inspires the fake toy version of the same fake man. So it's not actually the story of the toy. I want to reiterate that it's the story of the actual astronaut Buzz Lightyear who at some point in his life, gets a toy deal. Wow. It's kind of like if we made a movie about I don't know, a Barbie. And then we made a movie about the person who inspired the Barbie, the woman who couldn't standVidya Rajan  14:53  up straight becauseGabbi Bolt  14:56  and somebody said there's a doll in thisLewis Hobba  14:58  barber Millicent Wallace.Gabbi Bolt  15:01  So it was, yeah.Dan Ilic  15:03  Good work. Does she have a feature film about her LouisLewis Hobba  15:07  soon? Not to my knowledge, but I'm sure it's on the way you need to pitch that.Vidya Rajan  15:10  Quick. I wasGabbi Bolt  15:12  thinking based on based on this story coming out this there's tons of prequels we can make now, like, all right, the fact that they need to be continuous with the original plot, irrelevant. Now we can make a prequel to Bug's Life and call it love actually, and all you see for 90 minutes is just like goo and stuff. It's conceptual. You know, you can make an origin story for legendary walking advertisement himself, Duff man, I want a tough man feature film from The Simpsons. That man has tales we don't know about. I also wouldn't mind an origin story specifically for the sleepy dwarf because why is he so sleepy all the time?Dan Ilic  15:48  I've got some other pretty close police academy, police after school academy who needs help with maths? Yes. Yeah. Three Men and a zygote? It's Tom Selleck, Tom Selleck, without a mustache and Beverly Hills mop. Eddie Murphy plays a janitor going to do one last cleanup in aisle seven before retiring.Gabbi Bolt  16:07  I also wouldn't mind a Furby horror film and I was gonna write that one down, but then I realized that a Furby horror film is literally just gremlins. It's just the plot of glare of GremlinsVidya Rajan  16:16  Disney's just cannibalizing itself like that snake the aura Boris. But, yes,Lewis Hobba  16:24  now that's a show. Now it's human centipede, but snake.Gabbi Bolt  16:27  That's actually the sequel to A Bug's Life. Yeah, I'm pretty cool all day. Actually. We have the sequel.Lewis Hobba  16:33  The other thing was a lot. He has gotten harder. Yeah, in the transition. I weirdly from George Clooney. Well taught us man to Chris Evans. Also hot man. The animation has gotten a little harder.Gabbi Bolt  16:45  Yeah, just when you think Tim Allen couldn't be any sexier. Yeah, Jim AllenDan Ilic  16:49  was the original Buzz LightyearLewis Hobba  16:51  Alan, why don't you Yeah. Well, cuz heGabbi Bolt  16:54  thought he was hot. Easy mistake. Easy.Lewis Hobba  16:57  Elon was Buzz Lightyear, I guess. Yeah. I didn't really watch movies growing up. So I have a lot of gaps in my knowledge. I just assume everything is George Clooney.Unknown Speaker  17:09  is one of those people you just spoke about who writes horrible things online? abusing his own constituents takingDan Ilic  17:14  photographs of people women's underwear in public? Can you see that people see a double standard here a rational fear. Graham Redfin is a longtime climate environment reporter and his current employer has put that knowledge to good use. Together with Adam more than the environment editor at The Guardian Graham has made a new podcast series called Australia versus the climate which is a blow by blow reporting of how we got into this mess in the first place. He joins us now welcome Graham Redfern.Graham Readfearn  17:42  Hey, Dan, how are ya $226,000 though, you're gonna need some kind of blind trust to money, amount of cash.Dan Ilic  17:53  Well, people want me to people want me to continue the thing and I'm like, I don't want to continue. I don't want to keep raising money and asking people for money. But maybe I will start a blind trust when the election gets called. And if people want us to make electric election content, they can pay into the into the blind trust we'll call it porters blind trust, Proprietary Limited. It's good. We're gonna spend the money on good stuff we're going to spend the money on not any billboards, but we're going to pay for more video content. We've got a great stunt idea. And yeah, we will also be able to pay for everyone who comes on the podcast for next year, which is great. So you know except for your grand we're not paying for youGraham Readfearn  18:28  know, I love how you took my flippin opening remark as a as a excuse to give me an actual answer to the question.Gabbi Bolt  18:36  We don't know anything about that in this country.Lewis Hobba  18:38  Just off the top. Every time we speak to someone who works full full time in in climate, either policy or activism in Australia. The first question I always want to know is like how are you?Graham Readfearn  18:53  Yeah, I'm very tired. Especially after this week. I'm just generally tired and being honest being on this podcast with all you youthful. I mean, how do you do it? That's what I want to know cuz I'm done. I mean, maybe it's just the years I'm you know, I'm middle aged. Why tired? Uh, yeah. I've been doing this for almost 20 years now almost like on climate. Yeah, it's, I think you got to you got to put the time in. You got to put the time in because it's it's a really it is a really it's it's massively politicized and there's all sorts of misinformation there's a lot of denial. There's a lot of there's a lot of ways that that readers can get misinformed by this sort of stuff. And I think you need to spend a bit of time with the information before you as a journal before you can really feel you're not going to accidentally mislead your, your readers. You know,Dan Ilic  19:47  it is really interesting listening to the podcast is so gripping and so intriguing. It is a real great primer for the cop 2016 Coming up, if you want to know everything that went wrong with Australian climate policy, spend four hours listening to this podcast and you will be up to speed. Putting it together. Graham, did you have to? Were you surprised at the kind of research you you found even though you've been kind of in this space for 1520 years?Graham Readfearn  20:19  Oh, we find out a lot. And yeah, I mean, we've got four hours of broadcast material and about 35 hours not broadcasted. We we start our started three months ago. And I mean, I know I know some of the stories, but you kind of you got to start somewhere. So we start at the beginning, we're starting, you know, in the mid 90s. What is the Howard Government doing around climate change? We've got the Kyoto meeting coming up, what do the cabinet papers say about what Australia's position is, and then we find the people that were around at the time, and we look at the participant lists of the UN f triple C participant list for the Kyoto meeting, and we kind of got out, let's speak to that guy. Let's speak to that person, and we just start ringing them up. And so we couple of really valuable interviews was a guy called Roger Bill, who was the head of so the environment department in the Howard era, who helped to sort of write this thing called the Australia clause, which, as Clive Hamilton tells us in the podcast, if you don't know about the Australia clause, please don't get me to explain it. If you don't know what the Australia quote is, I will explain it. But if you don't know what it is, and you don't know anything about climate policy, and you can't, because it's it's the thing, that means when you hear Morrison and Angus Taylor, in the last few days, say we meet and be RTL targets, you know, the reason he can say that is because of what Australia did in Kyoto in 1997. So we kind of start there. And we go all the way through from Kyoto to the other big meetings like the failure of Copenhagen.Dan Ilic  21:54  How did you get that guy? How did you get bail to talk like, because when he speaks in your podcast, his deed sounds almost proud of the diplomacy he did. And like, he was like, some kind of returning services person coming back from war, like he was kind of proud of the stuff he did, but in effect, it's kind of ruined everything. Well,Graham Readfearn  22:15  it's not it's not my it, my job is to find the people that were in the room and ask them the questions that you would want to ask them and let them answer. And when that gets pulled out across four or five hours of a podcast, and it's got context around it, it becomes I think, really, really powerful. He's he was a long serving public servant. And he retired, I think, maybe eight or nine years ago, now, maybe a little bit longer. I'll find out where it was. He's an artist in Canberra and and rang him up.Dan Ilic  22:48  That's amazing. That's amazing. And you've also got other folks in there, like head of Greenpeace at the time, and, and you also got Kevin Rudd on, it was really interesting to listen to Kevin Rudd pretend that he was trying to solve climate change. In episode two, when it came to Paris, it's fascinating when Kevin Rudd is talking about sorry, Copenhagen, here and trying to get all the countries to kind of come to a deal in Copenhagen and Kevin Rudd paints himself as this as his Savior to do that. But it's also at the same time when you listen to Ben Rhodes his book, and you listen to Obama's book, Obama and Ben Rhodes also paint Barack Obama as the savior of Yerevan. But ultimately, these two or three big egos kind of going trying to save this world agreement made the whole agreement fall apart.Graham Readfearn  23:35  Yeah, the root story is remarkable, if only to hear Kevin Rudd attempt to corral the entire planet Earth in a room, which he said, was not big enough to swing a cat. The thing about the Copenhagen episode was that the this was a period where where Australia was in a position where it was it wanted to do stuff and what whatever you think about Kevin Rudd, and Penny Wong, who was also featured in the podcast, whatever you think about those people, they they did work really hard in Copenhagen, it didn't work. It's ironic really, that at the one time when the Australian government seemed really motivated to get a deal is the time when the rest of the world just can't, can't pull their finger out. We wrote We spoke to a guy called Andrew Higham, who's an Australian guy who went off to Europe and to work for the United Nations to actually write these, these deals, these protocols these agreements, and, and he, he said to us on it. When I got there, the first thing I was working on was Copenhagen, and it was it was six months away, but he said it was never going to be a deal. It was a mirage. He called it a mirage.Dan Ilic  24:50  Wow. Oh god,Lewis Hobba  24:51  that's nice. Yeah. Any prophecies on on Glasgow then?Graham Readfearn  24:56  Any? Well, while we've been talking about We have the the official press release from at this No joke, the official press release from Angus Taylor his office. It says it says Angus Taylor will attend the opening week of cop 26 to promote Australia as a safe and reliable destination for investment in filling the gaps for investment. Gas, hydrogen and new energy technologies. So what Well, the thing about so Morrison's going to Glasgow, and he's not going with a front loaded 2030 target. He's just going with some projections, even even the projections are way below the kind of 2030 targets that the United States have got the Europe's got that the UK has got. So all I guess he can hope for is to come away unscathed. It will not though I don't think it's going to be a meeting that will deliver us anything that will get us close to what the Paris deal says, which is well below two degrees. There's still a massive gap, the UN released a report when it added up all the pledges that the different countries have put in. And he said, Well, you know, they're still way over two degrees. So it's going to be it's going to be very difficult. But you got to you got to you got to put the effort in you down. And I've just remembered by the way, there was a scene in Paris in the in the podcast. Yeah. When it's the only it's the only light comedian. I shouldn't say this, because no one will listen. It's only like, comedic scene in the whole in the whole of the series. But it's when it's when the Paris deal gets struck. And I go out to a nightclub in the evening, where I meet Dan Ilic. But I also I also get to dance with the with Christiana for Guerrero, who was the president of the cop. We exchanged some some shapes that night. But that that episode is sort of that takes us to the high of Paris and then explains what happened in Australia and what happened to these protocols in the years that went that followed.Dan Ilic  27:13  Yeah, I love that episode, so much the way you laid that out for that car because it kind of laid out this interesting internal battle amongst Australian politicians, Angus Taylor, and and Bishop Julie Bishop, when they were kind of arguing over whether they should go for a two degree limit or a 1.5 degree limit. And Angus Taylor, of course, is hard right? faction is saying no, no, we're just gonna go for two degree limit. And then Julie Bishop grabbed the microphone and said, We're gonna go for 1.5 degrees and like committed Australia, almost unilaterally. I thought there was a real beautiful moment like, Oh, my God, that's so strange. Wow. We were almost like, you know, it feels like we're part of something usually doing something. Yeah. And then to see us kind of throw that away the weeks after Paris and go, Yeah, we're not gonna actually do anything about about Paris at all. It is it is such a roller coaster ride your podcast is amazing.Graham Readfearn  28:05  It's why we hired a true true crime. Audio producer from the ABC to actually fully soundsDan Ilic  28:12  like it sounds like a true crime Podcast. I'm hooked every step of the way.Graham Readfearn  28:17  You've got it. It's got this there is drama. It's there. In amongst all the square brackets, and the and the hours and hours of sort of meaningless meetings. There is a there's high drama, these meetings are where the the power base of the world gathers. And I think the moment where we have Penny Wong remembering being in a room in Copenhagen, with Barack Obama, Angela Merkel, and she says to us, I never thought I'd be in a room like this. And what strikes her about it is that the people in this room could do anything that they wanted. They wanted to solve climate change right now. He could do it. And they didn't.Dan Ilic  28:54  And what are they? What are some Tyler? Oh,Graham Readfearn  28:58  yeah, yeah, sorry to spoil it for you. Yeah, I'm just catching up with the news from 2009. But yeah. But that those were the moments that we were really looking for, as well in the podcast to kind of get get get the details to prime people. So they know what happens at these meetings, because they are crucial, right? So get them to understand what happens at them, but also to sort of find the anecdotes that keep the drama going and keep the humanity in it. I mean, even even going back to Roger, Bill, Dan, who you mentioned, who was around in the Kyoto period. I mean, you know, he tells us when the meeting had finished, I went back to my hotel, had a bath, drank half a bottle of whiskey. I mean, it's unusual together public servants, sort of giving you that kind of detail. ButGabbi Bolt  29:43  yeah, I feel like Scott's approaching cop 26 The same way I approached any and all group projects that university which is just kind of like turn up I guess I'm being made to do whatever the other people tell me to do and then walk away and then fail because I didn't actually do anything. thing. But the difference is when I do that repeatedly, I get kicked out of university. And when he does it, it's fine. He getsGraham Readfearn  30:10  it, he gets to do it the Australian what he gets the Australian. And look can see just is, you know, if if I had a conceit AMITA it would have blown it up. Because that that was it's absolutely astonishingDan Ilic  30:25  vigia, I often see your tweets on climate change. Would you ever want to go to a conference of parties? What would you do that?Vidya Rajan  30:33  Oh my god, um, I feel like I could only go if I was employed as a professional. I could live tweet the event. Like I think I'd like to do that. And just like subtweet everyone, they're walking around. Is that activism? Yeah. Yeah,Lewis Hobba  30:51  yeah,Dan Ilic  30:52  that's probably sounds simple. It sounds professional.Vidya Rajan  30:55  Yeah, like a large screen of the tweets to just appear after they've said some things that everyone can like, get your take immediately. It's justLewis Hobba  31:03  so like, you'd be almost like doing gogglebox or something.Vidya Rajan  31:06  Yeah, or like making them into a moderating their performance. Yeah. What were you saying?Dan Ilic  31:12  I was gonna say, you could actually get that job vigia to work a defect, because that is essentially cop copies a giant Google doc screen in, in like, little in meetings, upon meetings upon meetings. And it's this giant Google doc screen that all the countries are trying to add to and subtract to to get to a final resolution. It's like that's why they spent two weeks like rough two weeks basically working in a group document.Lewis Hobba  31:35  It's so nice. You're here, Graham, because you're now the you now make to people in the history of the podcast that have been excited about the cop meetings. Yeah, but not the outcomes. But the actual meetings. Yeah, easily. Denzel Dan's eyes light up when he talks about a Google Doc. Yeah. Loves process.Graham Readfearn  31:50  Yeah, yeah. Well, if you like process, you'll love a cop. But the fun the fun part of the of the Copenhagen episode with with Rod was was how he basically did not run with the process at all, and was trying to run meetings after like through the middle of the night. And then there was there's this moment that he recalls, there's a there's a moment that he recalls when he when he's trying to run this meeting with like India and China and some other countries, I might have got the country's wrong. And the Danes, the Danish Prime Minister, who was chairing the meeting, sort of walks out in India and China are trying to get this whole process to slow down. So they're like looking at him going, oh, yeah, we can solve this now, because there's no chair. So Kevin Rudd says to us on the podcast, he says, Well, I said, Well, my good friend, the Danish Prime Minister has asked me if I will now chair this meeting on his behalf. And he hadn't asked him to do that at all, it was just really making it up, just to try and keep the thing going. So there's process and then there's making stuff up to try and keep the thing on the rails. It was a pretty that's another sort of really interesting moment.Dan Ilic  32:58  Graham, thank you so much for coming on. And telling us about this podcast is truly an incredible bit of work, having listened to all of it now. It's just it is, if you've never if you want to deeply understand the reason why we are where we are, you could definitely listen to this and you can have a good time listening to it, which is great. It's really entertaining. It'sGraham Readfearn  33:21  it's a five part series. It's on the Guardians full story, podcast feed, each should have its own feed by next week. Please listen and share talk about it's also on Spotify, also on Google podcasts on the house, but it's with Adam Morton, lots of superstars and amazing audio production team.Dan Ilic  33:38  Is it going to be on Netflix? It sounds like a good.Graham Readfearn  33:41  Let's talk about it down. Let's make it happen.Lewis Hobba  33:44  We can Dan can fund it. He's got a lot of money. I mean, yeah,Graham Readfearn  33:48  you got 26 grand, you're just flying around.Dan Ilic  33:52  Yeah. I've already spent I've already spent $70,000. I'm gonna pay myself back first, because, well, I've got some bills to pay your debt. Before we go. Gabby bolt, you're going to see us out with a song.Gabbi Bolt  34:08  Yeah. Now that things are opening back up again, I'd like to just remind us all of the experience that may not be universally shared. In fact, this might be a bit of a nice joke. But I'm back where I'm originally from, which is, you know, the crazy, amazing enriching place of Bathurst. There's restaurants, lots of restaurants that you get dressed up for, and I made I miss restaurants, but more than restaurants. I miss the mysterious figure in the corner of most restaurants, and this is his story.How many renditions of Matt Colbys brother will make you one To fuck me how many times will I have to say that this next song is for you? Yeah What are the chances that we'd be together in one place that this town employs well dressed Calvin Klein other boys to playyou don't know my name but that's okay to ask. I'll give you a fake. I don't know your name because I don't want to. You're in love lately because I try to be the embodiment of culture. But here is the big Gotcha. If you stripped me of my man bond my stone box in my suede hat on just the same as the next slide. So please don't take away my sixth string about some falsetto.I will spend half of the evening playin strictly Ed Sheeran repertoire anyone like a bit of time arrives? Because if nothing else, white people request surreally Oh LennyI will tell you that I learned guitar purely from my waist to songs and snorting coke. You don't have to know how I went broke paying for a teacher 10 years and I still can't play a fuck barcode. I will see real chill until you get five bucks on my espadrilles you're lucky they weren't my RM Williams I have nailed the art of making easy some sound hard playing Riptide the Lila and a bit somehow I'll still draw the line at break like if you asked me for that song I swear I'll throw up in my mouth I can maybe swing US version of case but from this string come on consoles of course there isas you guys know I'm self taughtwhat fucking Bob Dylan up herewhat is no one see that I could be the next big since Jeff Buckley. There's a man who appreciated depth. Gonna be fucking famous and then you have to know what my name is. No more restaurant gigs where my art is bad. You will be fucking sorry when ILewis Hobba  38:19  feel the punch line coming in.Dan Ilic  38:22  It was well done. Fantastic. That reminds me my favorite Justin Hazelwood joke and he does this thing where you guys quick Jeff Buckley impression and he's likeGabbi Bolt  38:35  oh, they're brutal.Dan Ilic  38:36  Terrible, terrible. That is that is it for irrational fear. Big thank you to geballe vigia Rajon gray and red fin. Louis Hobart. Do you guys have anything to plug?Vidya Rajan  38:45  Yeah, I guess if you're in Sydney, you can now buy tickets for looking for Alibrandi at Belvoir, which I adopted.Dan Ilic  38:56  Yes, I would definitely go sitVidya Rajan  39:00  next year and it's also coming to Melbourne but those tickets are on sale at the Sydney tickets are on sale.Lewis Hobba  39:06  Yeah, I'm told what can you give us?Vidya Rajan  39:09  I'm sure once allowed.Dan Ilic  39:10  What was it like to work with Marlena Makita I mean, it was pretty handsVidya Rajan  39:14  off. But she wrote me a really lovely letter like um, yeah, it was great. She liked she liked a good time.Dan Ilic  39:23  I had my I had my motion picture debut in Yeah, in in heresay day if you remembered how sad Yes, people doing talks. There's a full shot, a full frame shot of me clapping going in my skull.Lewis Hobba  39:42  And occasionally, Danna brandy.Vidya Rajan  39:46  Yeah, that was all done. I'll try and put that in. IGabbi Bolt  39:52  enter stage.Vidya Rajan  39:56  Yeah, like that. Like that. Like someone walks on like youDan Ilic  40:01  Speaking of sequels we don't need that's great, Vijay. Congratulations, Gabby. Do you want to plug anything?Gabbi Bolt  40:08  Yeah, I have a comedy show. Finally, in Sydney from the 16th to the 18th of December. It's called I hope my keyboard doesn't break and I've accidentally Macbeth myself with the title because now that I've called it that I have a feeling everything will break i a microphone today. So yeah, tickets are on sale for that through laugh at a lockdown.com.au. And also, yeah, because of the Moosehead award. I'll be taking that same shirt and Melbourne Comedy Festival.Dan Ilic  40:32  Yes. Me picking up. Done.Gabbi Bolt  40:35  Thank you, Lewis.Dan Ilic  40:37  How about you anything likeLewis Hobba  40:38  peace and love? You know that our friendship Graham.Graham Readfearn  40:42  I've done this podcast and that's called Australia. It's on the full story podcast feed on the guardian. I also write a weekly column for The Guardian called temperature check where I do fact checks on climate stuff that silly people saying sometimes not silly people say so I do a bit of that. But please, everybody read The Guardian. It's great. It's free toDan Ilic  41:02  big thank you to the birther foundation rode mics Jacob round on the Tepanyaki timeline. Big thanks to everyone in our Discord big, big thank you to everyone who chipped in to Joe keeper. We're going to be having some fun with that over the next six months. So thank you so much. Until next week, there's always something to be scared of. Oh, next week. The next sick episode two of Julie's MIROS asked who cares is coming out. So we'll be kind of grilling me taking a break next week. But Jay Z will take care of you next week. So thank you very much. We'll see you next time. Bye. Oh,Transcribed by https://otter.aiA Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/👕 BUY OUR MERCH HERE🤣 JOKEKEEPER: CLICK HEREJoining us on A Rational Fear this week are fearmongers:Harry Jun  (One Of The Good Ones)Alex Jae (Laugh Out Of Lockdown)Dylan Behanand Dan IlicWe talk about Billboards, Australia being a bad actor on the world stage, meddling with the IPCC reports, prosthetic limbs to be used for COVD19 injections, Squid Game in China, and Donald Trump's new social media platform.PATREON 💸:If you enjoy our podcast, emails and important climate change conversations, chip in here:  www.patreon.com/arationalfear  Dan Ilic  0:00  This podcast is supported in part by the birth of foundation. Good evening not Louis Dylan good eye DylanDylan Behan  0:07  where's where's Louis at? Is he at one of those triple Triple J parties hanging out with Amy shark is he's too well, we got to make her we got to be at the comedy coalface while he's off partying. You said that last week? Yeah,Dan Ilic  0:19  that's what he's that's what he's doing this week. He's offered parties because he's got the week. He's actually holding holidays probably with Amy shark. His girlfriend Amy shark.Dylan Behan  0:30  Puppy not giving him paid leave is doesn't deserve it.Dan Ilic  0:34  He is away on leave this week, but it's okay. We've got home Brian Lewis. That is Dylan Bane. Welcome Dylan Bane.Dylan Behan  0:40  Yes, normally hobo Paul Shaffer an irrational fear today I'm hobo Louis harbor.Dan Ilic  0:44  How about Louis, how about well, man, I've had an absolutely massive week in the out of home buying billboard media. We're talking about it a little bit later on. I'm recording my end of irrational feet on gadigal land and the ordination. sovereignty was never stated. We did a trade eight Let's start the show.Unknown Speaker  0:59  A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks cambro. Gum, and section bought you a rational view recommended listening by emerge your audience.Dan Ilic  1:12  Tonight New Zealand's official wizard lost his job turns out he got fired after developing a few bad habits and invited me Joyce and system nationals won't be pressured into backing and net zero target by 2050. Saying Nobody puts us man babies in the corner. And with Halloween just around the corner. party goers wishing to dress up as Matt Canavan urged to not go in cold face. It's the 21st of October, and we've committed net zero billboards by 2030. This is irrational fear.Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host, former editor of The Sydney Morning Herald Daniel and this is the show that fights fire with fire which turns out to make things a whole lot worse. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. Our first guest is one half of the ladies guide to dude cinema podcast. Timeout magazine calls her self deprecating and irresistibly likeable. Well let's say that it's Alex Jay.Alex Jae  2:18  Hello, I suck but I'm really nice. They go Oh, well, it's so good.Dan Ilic  2:24  After 100 over 100 days of trying to quell his students in zoom meetings are next fear monger has battled his way back into face to face combat in the real life classroom of life. It is comedian and teacher harijanHarry Jun  2:37  hey, yeah, and I'm coming out swinging detentions for everybody.Dan Ilic  2:42  What are you doing to prepare to code go back to the classroom Perry?Harry Jun  2:45  Oh, lots of drinking. But that's pre class.Dan Ilic  2:47  I think that's an idea of what I'm lookingHarry Jun  2:51  forward to is going face to face with the kids that have been mucking around over zoom. Just like you know, they just like being at the zoo and poking a tiger and not realizing that the zookeepers gonna stroll in and open the cage soDan Ilic  3:03  let's say and he's the king of where he clips and home brand Louis harbor. It's Dylan Bay and you know get a coming up. We're gonna be asking Alfa among us, what will it take for them to join Trump's new social media network? But first here is a message from this week's sponsor.Rupert Degas  3:21  You live in a fast changing world. Today's Attorney General is tomorrow's backbencher. accountability is something that can only exist if you can see something to count. When you need a sense of mystery for your big pot of money, put your blind faith in orders blind trust, because whoever is paying off a public person's legal bills should remain private, at least until after the next election. borders blind trust is sortUnknown Speaker  3:49  of program should keep going in Australia essentiallyUnknown Speaker  3:52  forever.Rupert Degas  3:53  terms or conditions don't apply. If you're a member of the Liberal government. Check the PDS for details. No really, please check because I couldn't find any detail when I love.Dan Ilic  4:03  Hey, guys, in this week's first few it has been quite awake. Last week, we spoke about what would happen in New York City when we put up billboards. And I'd actually didn't believe it would happen. I don't know if you saw it at 945. A whole bunch of billboards went up in New York City shaming the Australian government action on lack of action on climate change. We did that there was all of us. So thank you very much for chipping in to make that happen. It's kind like a space launch. Like you just do a countdown to 945 and just kind of hope that it appeared on the webcam. It was a really exciting period.Alex Jae  4:40  It's just crazy. Congratulations. That's amazing.Harry Jun  4:43  You must be so stoked.Dylan Behan  4:46  Also, congratulations for getting every Ozzie I know in New York together in one place to look at my social media was full of it. Yeah.Dan Ilic  4:55  Did you see a lot of Australians like in on social media Yeah.Dylan Behan  5:00  Ron, I know he lives in New York all my friends were down there. Admittedly, they're all TV people who probably know you too. But, but yeah, my feed was full of amazing footage from Times Square. It looked incredible.Dan Ilic  5:10  Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. It's so good. It's so good. And now my friend Russell Crowe tweeted and said, I should get on Jake Tapper saying Jake Tapper, his producer reached out. It's like, Hey, you want to go on the show? And right? Yeah, show us thanks, Russell.Dylan Behan  5:32  Don't forget Studio 10 dan, that was an even bigger privilege and I'm sure yeah, that'sDan Ilic  5:37  it last Monday. Yeah, they had me on and then you know, by Ryan was hosting and he's obviously a big climate denier. It was really funny experience. Like it was really funny spirits calling like God calling into the studio 10 of his own. And all the technical directors and the producers were like, Oh, hey, Dan. It's great to have you on it's such an amazing thing that happened. Oh my god, that was incredible. It's so good to have you. And then it's like how Aidan Yes, it's the technical director here just incredible effort in new and senior mana. And then like by ride is like, yeah, mate. But if we're gonna if we're if they're gonna buy a call, we're gonna sell it. How come you're not in China doing it? Right? How can India testing on you in India and China protesting about it might well, yeah, and see, you don't say people in China protesting do yeah. And there's a good reason for that.Harry Jun  6:37  You could generate so much electricity just from the wind that just the wash that went over his head?Dan Ilic  6:43  Oh, man, it was wild. And yeah, it was just one of those weird things where it was two guys who weigh out of their depths on the issue. Anyway, it was great. Anyway, billboards aside, this is a reason why we did it to shame the Australian Government into action. And 945. At that point, Scott Morrison wasn't going to go to Glasgow by 245. He put out an announcement saying, Yes, he was going to Glasgow. Let's have a quick listen to that.Unknown Speaker  7:11  first of those is overnight, I confirmed my attendance at the Glasgow summit, which I'm looking forward to attending. It's an important event.Dan Ilic  7:19  Now that's bullshit, he would have confirmed that 1055 All right. Well, the reason why we put out these billboards was to kind of shame the Australian Government and the lack of climate action. And there was this incredible article that came out today to say that senior government officials and lobbyists have been in the IPCC trying to change the way language is written in the agreement, or, or, or references in the IPCC final text. A senior government official rejected, largely the uncontroversial conclusion that most important steps to reduce greenhouse gas was to phase out coal fired power. The Australia also asked the IPCC scientists to delete a reference to analysis of the role played by fossil fuel lobbyists and watering down climate action. And then this is a lovely bit of language that said Australian officials tried to water down language around the Green Climate funds, which is a gigantic fund where poor nations take money out of to kind of mitigate the risk against against you know, climate disasters to say oh yeah, there's other ways you can mitigate you don't need a fund to mitigate Oh my god, this is crazy. This is this is like evil villain shit going on right here and it doesn't surprise you at all that Australia is doing this fear mongers.Harry Jun  8:33  No Look, do you know what it reminds me of when I was in uni and I had a group assignment with one other dude. And it was a 6000 word essay and I wrote the whole fucking thing. And then the night before he comes in is like all I've got a couple additions and I want to I want you to edit and delete some stuff. It's like, you weren't here the entire time. What he told me they can't take credit for this. You started a bit, James, I hope you're listening. I fucking hate you, man.Alex Jae  8:59  James, fuck you.Dan Ilic  9:02  James dad just did just James didn't work. A defect is that way.Dylan Behan  9:07  So Australia is basically trying to walk water down the memo of the conference or just the conference. Generally,Dan Ilic  9:14  there are a few bad actors. So Saudi Arabia, yeah, Australia and Japan. They're the three major companies that are trying to throw lobbyists at the situation.Dylan Behan  9:22  Have they done this at other conferences? Does Australia turn up at like the anti child trafficking conference? Can we have more child trafficking in this memorandum? Can we push like, what theAlex Jae  9:34  hell I'm not surprised that we're downplaying this at all because I think being like downplaying things is in Australia's blood. Like my dad is Australia, right? And his favorite thing is downplaying how much money he puts into the pokies to my mum, everything in our blood, do you know what I mean?Dylan Behan  9:55  It's not just those countries down I was reading the article and supposedly Argentina has taken offense at the word Meatless MondayHarry Jun  10:05  oh how it's alliteration guysDylan Behan  10:08  know that what's next going to be gets Taco TuesdayAlex Jae  10:11  What? Never but thatDan Ilic  10:13  is funny Argentina the one of the world's biggest exporters of beef and the gauchos Do they have a Gaucho as president? Is that is that there is that their problem there?Dylan Behan  10:24  No idea what you're talking about. ListenAlex Jae  10:28  to me you take this one doingDylan Behan  10:32  I know all I know is this steely? Dan album Gaucho.Dan Ilic  10:36  Gaucho is an Argentinian cowboy.Harry Jun  10:39  Oh, I thought you were saying gout like the medical condition show and I was like the amount of rot they've got there's probably a lot of gapsAlex Jae  10:47  in your reality TV Yeah.Harry Jun  10:49  Yeah, sure. That sounds sick. Yeah.Dan Ilic  10:52  Yeah, after a glass of red wine I also have a Gaucho it's not pleasant, irrational fear.Unknown Speaker  10:57  Russia, India and China accounted for 40% of global emissions. Do you think there'll be similar people in your position in those nations or the EU? You know, maybe for those nations a rational fearDan Ilic  11:09  this way second fear. The fidgets spinners prosthetic arms are all the rage on a Facebook group called Victoria sell your stuff? Matt posted this ad prosthetic arm left or right using this for COVID vaccinations best water under a winter jacket to disguise your good arm available in various skin colors registered express delivery what is going on here is there now an arms race amongst anti vaxxersHarry Jun  11:36  gerawan I I looked at the prize very curious 15 out of box like that's pretty much money yeah, and you know we say like when things are expensive it costs an arm and a leg but now I know exactly how muchAlex Jae  11:53  I reckon was having or whatever that guy's name is Roger or whatever for a Melbourne I think he's just I can just someone just like super overestimated how many people will suddenly want to like experiment with rubber fists during lockdown? Yeah, he's got like, he's got a huge surplus of everything.Dylan Behan  12:11  What if it does turn into an arms race? What if so many people antivaxxers were prosthetic arms that then everyone has to get the injections in that bomb? And then what if everyone was like bombs? That's just we're all just it's just going to turn into Dirk diggler territory. Basically.Dan Ilic  12:26  It's a slippery slope. It's a slippery slope. I love this. This is actually from mentone educational.com.au. They're a Melbourne based company. You can actually buy this if you work in a hospital training facility. And here's that here's the description. the realism of this advanced Veni puncture and injection is truly amazing. The soft flexible fingers are molded separately with extreme attention paid to every detail right down to the fingerprints. Flexi on of the wrist helps students maintain manipulation skills. They're replaceable skin rolls is the veins of palpated and discernible pop is felt when entering the veins wellAlex Jae  13:07  my second theory absolutely stands that is a product restriction for a rabid fist have ever seen one and I've seen many obviouslyDan Ilic  13:16  it says under normal use hundreds and hundreds of injections may be performed before the veins or skin need to be replaced complete replacement kits are available is used and a five year warranty This is great news for junkiesHarry Jun  13:28  yeah yeah you got to get the practice in it's about you know refining the chops get that aim up I can't believe I what I really liked was he stressed that it's available in various skin colors like when we're fighting for diversity and representation I'm not sure this is exactly what we were looking for all the different skins areAlex Jae  13:51  frontlineDan Ilic  13:52  Yeah, I really enjoyed that too. was what is right it says like the initial description is um beige also available in dark skinAlex Jae  14:05  I live like somewhere on the ad it says like like recommended that you wear like a long winter jacket to like hide it from the nurse and I can't remember the last time I got an injection through a jacket.Harry Jun  14:18  Yeah. hold you down andAlex Jae  14:24  eventually bloody cashmere is killingDan Ilic  14:28  the ad said the headset to do that to to hide your good arm. Why are you hiding a good arm? Should we die?Harry Jun  14:36  Do you know what would have been a better than they should have sold? Like a really oversized coat and then a full mannequin that sits on top of your shoulder like this? Yeah, you know what I mean? Like that's, that's more effective.Dan Ilic  14:50  You took about two little kids on top of it. Yeah. And the one below is the one that's already got the vaccines. There's also a bit of a story going around about on on Instagram there are these fake digital vaccine certificates that can be loaded onto your digital wallet that have been advertised on Instagram, from a cut from a company called fake card au. This sounds like a pretty good racket like for a 10 year old who knows how to use Photoshop? Is this what the new is the new idea to get into the bar is itHarry Jun  15:27  just I was so disappointed in the preview of the on the actual ad it look like it was done in Microsoft Paint or even the Instagram story tool? Yeah, I couldn't have done that you're trying to sell a product, but make it look good.Alex Jae  15:42  It's just got like stickers on it. Instagram font toHarry Jun  15:47  handle likeDylan Behan  15:51  hard to believe Instagram, promoting something unhealthy.Alex Jae  15:59  body image issues come from. I just like to say Nice try, because that has nothing on the forgery I used to do with my mom's signature in your tend to get off. So classy. Yeah, I've got some notes. Yeah.Harry Jun  16:16  Did you ever do that? I would get a pen that was a bit out of ink. And then like kind of like scratch a bit, gentlemen, like, genius. It's about the little embellishments that Yeah,Alex Jae  16:29  make it authenticDan Ilic  16:30  hesitate. Do you say your fair share of forged signatures?Harry Jun  16:34  Honestly, I reckon I've approved 99% of the four signatures like Jonah, I don't even shareAlex Jae  16:44  a fallible system.Harry Jun  16:45  I mean, the whole point is you have to see the first actual authentic parents signature to be like, that's what it looks like. But we're taught I teach like 200 kids a year, whatever. I'm not going to be going back to my file, like Oh, the L is a bit curlier than normal. Now going on the Easter show, mate,Dan Ilic  17:01  Mr. Johnson, I have some queries about your signature that was developed over the last three years. Exactly. A friendDylan Behan  17:07  of mine in school, learned to forge the teacher's signature perfectly, and then would add in his sick notes with the teacher signature. And the teacher would never know.Harry Jun  17:19  Yeah, that's a step beyond Yes. So Instagram, whoever's making those certificates, you got to step itDan Ilic  17:24  up, and that man now is Christian quarter.Dylan Behan  17:30  Allegedly,Unknown Speaker  17:32  allegedly. When the Prime Minister arrives in Glasgow in a fortnight's time, will he tell the meeting electric vehicles within the weekend? batteries to store renewable energy are as useful as the big banana and the big prawn. And renewable energy targets are nuts. It's just simply not many eyes onUnknown Speaker  17:53  my left morphia is rational this week'sDan Ilic  17:55  30 year Netflix grid game is a hit in China but here's the problem Netflix is banned in China How the hell is Netflix taking off in China Harry john I justHarry Jun  18:09  love I love the fact that a show that's so transparent about criticizing capitalism is just hit the biggest business booming in China and they're like oh my God, we hate capitalism but let's fuckin make some money boys like fired up. And I feel like I did read the article it said that the government's really upset that people were you know, circling around their little firewall there and they're trying to take some kind of action against that piracy and I can think of one really entertaining way they could do that. Like just you know, rally them all up in a room that's it like and the reward can be a lifelong subscription to any VPN of your choice likeDan Ilic  18:55  I you saying that China's already doing this in shinjang provinceHarry Jun  19:02  Come on. Yeah, they know this shit.Dan Ilic  19:04  I think it's so funny because the article goes on to say that if it was actually legal in China it would be completely ripped apart by sensors Yeah, since the sensors like strip screwed game have any meaning whatsoever. Yeah.Alex Jae  19:22  It's just a nice show about friendship. Really? Yeah,Harry Jun  19:25  models they play marbles and then he goes on a camp and as farAlex Jae  19:29  as I love has a lovely time. I have to say guys, I'm so sorry. This is really embarrassing, but I do I do know how China has been watching square game. What happened was, it was actually made China and I used to date for a while and I gave my Netflix love. Totally forgot and I'm so embarrassedHarry Jun  19:49  Alex. You know how? I know onceAlex Jae  19:54  you move on, you just want to forget And anyway,Dan Ilic  19:58  you know how it is dating. billion people and thenAlex Jae  20:03  like this admin you have to go through after it is too much too muchDylan Behan  20:08  I understand why it's popular in China though because all the characters are in debt right? This is the thing this is why they're all in the battle royale type thing. Well of course everyone in China is going to relate to this they've all lost all their money to this real estate company. evergrandeDan Ilic  20:25  Yeah, yeah, this is the list of the story of high highly good well to do Chinese people they're worriedHarry Jun  20:33  that they'll think it's a documentary and it's well overAlex Jae  20:38  right in thisDylan Behan  20:40  I just named one of the main characters the boss character looking like Winnie the Pooh and then everyoneDan Ilic  20:47  and finally to say is that Donald Trump is set to launch his new social media network is called truth social fear mongers what is one feature you'd like to see on truth social.Alex Jae  21:00  I would like to see him just go full ball on truth social and just make it an only fans and I'm not proud to admit this but I would pay for that I would absolutely paid for that.Dan Ilic  21:13  But if it was, it was Trump it would be called only 10sDylan Behan  21:19  Trump said one of the reasons he's setting up the social media platform is because the Taliban is all over Twitter so I think what he needs to do is get the Taliban on truth socialDan Ilic  21:31  media even though they've got a community they can move right overDylan Behan  21:34  Yeah, but I did read that they're actually this is the first step he is going to be launching a subscription video on demand service so I reckon we get irrational fear on there What do you reckonDan Ilic  21:47  this cuz we're being silenced. We're being silenced. I can tell you how we've been times you know, I tried to put a billboard in Times Square with the rational field logo on it and they said yesAlex Jae  21:59  cancel cancel culture is going toDan Ilic  22:03  they said we could only do it for 10 minutes I said I wanted an hourAlex Jae  22:07  like we need more money like I don't have it I'm being silencedDan Ilic  22:11  yeah that's that's how America works. I looked into the privacy terms and conditions and that the bottom there is a address Can you guess what town truth social is going to be based out of? Florida? Bay Palm Beach Florida. Nailed it. Yeah,Alex Jae  22:32  that's awesome. Everyone over 60 and no one underDan Ilic  22:38  it is destined for just boom it's it's just it's there it's ready ready to go just move the demographic over.Dylan Behan  22:44  Well, given how good they are qR coding they'll be all over how to put this on their smartphones surely.Dan Ilic  22:51  That is it for rational fear this week. It's a short one, but a good one big thank you to Harry john, Alex J. and Dylan Bane. What would you like to plugDylan Behan  22:59  news fighters or news fox news? news fighters, not fighters, some people. My podcast I was going to cover Christian Porter this week, but I don't want to get sued for defamation. So tune in. For all the latest on Melrose Melbourne's Freedom Day which is happening Friday tomorrow.Dan Ilic  23:17  Excellent. harried you don't like anything?Harry Jun  23:19  Yeah, I am doing a show a comedy show for FBI radio called the past notes, which is a school based comedy show where I interview guests sharing juicy stories about school and I've also got a stand up comedy show on the fourth, fifth and sixth of November. You can find all that if you look up Harry Jordan comedy, J un or get on all socials.Dan Ilic  23:41  Excellent and now how is that how's that that comedy show on FBI going he's got a pretty good pretty good convener yeah yeahHarry Jun  23:48  he's he's great he's pretty famous Russell Crowe knows him it's I'm hoping to get in exchangeAlex Jae  23:56  or a blog or anything I Yes, I've got a podcast called the ladies guide to do cinema that I co host with back childhood we watch all the movies that do to have told us we have to see and I've also got a comedy shows coming out for the same festival Harry's in the life out of lockdown festival I'm on the 11th 12th and 13th of November with Daniel towns and Luke agDan Ilic  24:16  ah excellent painful on that one up anybody good Hey, and I want to plug something to please go to Apple podcasts and leave us a review we we had we had Joe Hildebrand on last week. We made fun of him to his face for half an hour but a lot of people who don't normally listen this podcast listened in and really complained about Would you like me to read what out because they faster faster, faster, faster, faster, faster, faster. When it gets to three star, the Hildebrand circle jerk. And then it goes to one Star News Corp paid comedy. You have Joe Teeth scrubber on your show. You're the teat of News Corp all caps, but also ergy Yeah, we say rude words, but we are live voting Corp shill rats. If I could vote, I would vote. News Corp rats mouth and you might get a good rating daddy Rupert spend money on you? Yeah, one star that was from a guy called Greg's penis.Alex Jae  25:24  That is a perfect one star review. I love that. It's nonsensical. It looks like there was a lot of quotation. Just beautiful.Dan Ilic  25:32  I mean, I'm pretty sure Greg's penis has already signed up to truth social so there's never gonna be logging on to go to Apple podcasts and give us a review. If you regularly listen this show we'd love to hear from you. And also a big thank you to all of our new Patreon supporters. We've got 15 more we lost five last week. I think Jeff caught it because of Joe said some some good turnover and abatement Sean g Russell Wyden Kerry James hiring a deal and Debbie Jeffrey Jody Fitzgerald, Mary joy Roy, Amber rubber D'Ambra, Karen advertsing, john sharp and Luanne Cotta, Michelle Dinah Fannie Fitch, Alex tight and Trudy council A big thanks to red Mike's and the birth of foundation and of course Jake brown on the tepanyaki timeline. Big thanks to you my fear mongers appreciate you joining us for irrational fear tonight.Harry Jun  26:24  Thanks for having us.Dan Ilic  26:26  Until next week, there's always something to be scared off.Transcribed by https://otter.aiA Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/👕 BUY OUR MERCH HERE🤣 JOKEKEEPER: CLICK HEREThis week's fearmongers: Dane Simpson, Angela Lavoipierre, Lewis Hobba, and Dan Ilic (me).We talk about the ins and outs of out-of-home media buying in the USA, ICAC, anti-vaxers trying to claim segregation — and we spend a good 40 minutes trying to understand why News Corp is trying to save the world with the promotion of climate action, when they've been such a malignant force for successive governments implementing meaningful climate policy for so long. To help us break it down we speak with the Editor at Large at the Daily Telegraph — Joe Hildebrand.This podcast episode is best described as … chaotic good.Hope you enjoy, let us know what you think in an Apple Podcasts review.CheersDan IlicSenior Out-of-Home Media BuyerPATREON 💸:If you enjoy our podcast, emails and important climate change conversations, chip in here:  www.patreon.com/arationalfear --------------------Bertha Announcement  0:00  This podcast is supported in part by the birth of foundation.Dan Ilic  0:04  Good evening Lewis. How are you? I'mLewis Hobba  0:05  really good, Dan. Yeah, great.Dan Ilic  0:08  Is there anything happening interesting happening in your world? You know, anything?Lewis Hobba  0:11  Well, I mean, I'm free. We're, we're afraid and we're day four into freedom. I'm sitting here right now in the Sydney suburb of Surry Hills, and air on all houses around me are parties. Now I don't know exactly how many people are there. I can't say for sure it's under 10. But it is it's, it's kicking off.Dan Ilic  0:31  Hang on a second. Is this why we're recording one hour earlier? So you can go to a party atLewis Hobba  0:36  100% 100% dead. I've been in lockdown for 109 days and so have you if you think no, going out every night this week. You're an idiot.Dan Ilic  0:47  I'm dedicated to my audience. Man, I gotta get this podcast out. I'm recording my end of irrational fear on gadigal land in the eora nation sovereignty was never seated. We need a treaty. Let's start the show.Unknown Speaker  0:57  A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks cambro COMM And section body or rational view recommended listening might emerge your audience.Dan Ilic  1:10  Tonight experts claim that news cops new green campaign is just manipulating its audience use cope says it's all part of their gaslit recovery. And Peter Dutton cancels a morning team for LGBT IQ. I defend stuff angering officials, we have too many events already done and explained, including a brunch for African gang awareness. And New South Wales has reached Freedom Day with its residents relishing the opportunity to start spreading COVID again, it's the 15th of October and we're going to Broadway baby this is irrational fear.Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host, former premier of New South Wales Dan Ilic. And this is the show that laughs at doing it. You're doing your own research. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. She is a woman who in her professional life has to deal with members of the public calling her just another clown from the ABC. But Joke's on her because in her private life, she's a trained clown. It's Angela huapi. Air. Hello, andUnknown Speaker  2:18  what a warm welcomeDan Ilic  2:23  to honk the horn or something What's going on?Ange Lavoipierre  2:26  I'm always honking the horn in my brain. And if you can't hear it, it's because you're not listening closely enough. Yeah, yeah, I'm Beloved. Yeah.Dan Ilic  2:35  And he is a proud military man who has made dad jokes. He's stuck in trade. I'd get into pull my finger if I could, but he's in Walker Walker. It's Dane Simpson. Hey,Unknown Speaker  2:42  I'm an untrained clown by the way soAnge Lavoipierre  2:52  much more dangerous.Dan Ilic  2:54  You don't need any accreditation to do this job. Let me tell you, Dane, what a great couple of years you've had you like get like skyrocketing up on the on the comedy charts in Australia.Unknown Speaker  3:03  Yeah, it's been crazy. I love it. I'm loving every part of it. Everybody's getting around having a mad laugh at some of the silliness of my family, particularly my dad. And also he thinks he's a superstar now because he's he said my jokes. And so he's always he comes to my shows and he always ends it with if you think that's funny, come and see the real thing and he'sDan Ilic  3:32  and he's a man for legal reasons, has nothing to do with his podcast is merely here as a guest every week. It's Louis helma.Lewis Hobba  3:39  Yes, it's me Lewis. How about the ghost that haunts irrational fear.Dan Ilic  3:45  Coming up, we speak cwis News. kobs most progressive Lieutenant Joe Hildebrand about just how he's rupert murdoch saving the planet. But first here is a message from this week's sponsor. 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Here's three new coal mines much, much much bigger, much much bigger than the size of the barrels the Nets get their pork in this Sunday, the National Party will gather to vote on whether or not to agree on. net zero by 2050. Like the rest of the fucking world will the National Party dare to do the bare fucking minimum for once? Or will they do whatever their mining donors want to help them stay in power for another 36 months and ruin the entire fucking planet for you? Every one for ever. This Sunday a decision bigger than Barnaby sperm count the national party room showdown a donation will buy your whole seat but you'll only need the edge. There ain't no party like a national party because the national parties don't adopt new policies. Really looking forward to Sunday though what are you guys ready You guys excited about Sunday? That is really funny.Ange Lavoipierre  5:27  As a journalist, I have been previewing this moment for the last 10 years of my career about to happen is about to happen is about to happen. So I'm really looking forward to finally being right.Dan Ilic  5:41  This week's first well this week's first view let's get stuck into it we made it a Broadway baby billboards I got to Time Square. Now to two weeks folks is a long time in podcasting last week we had a special edition of the podcast with Julie's amuro I don't think two weeks ago we were actually going to go to Broadway Louis Can you remember with what was happening two weeks ago I don't think we actually were talking about it absolutelyLewis Hobba  6:04  not. I couldn't even dream of going to Kmart on Broadway shopping center I was so far away from from Broadway and what because you and I talked about it after the podcast two weeks ago like we should get on Time Square and then you sent me a message today like we get we will never be able to afford that and I don't quite know how you haveDan Ilic  6:24  well it's been amazing because we have 1800 people chip in so much money now we've got about 150,000 in the Indiegogo and what's incredible is I reached out to a contact of from mine at fusion when I used to work in America and I said you guys know anyone Do you know anyone that buys ad space and in Times Square? And she said he sent me back his contact and this woman has done the most incredible deal guess how much it costs for an hour on the biggest billboard in Times Square anyone? grantLewis Hobba  6:57  prices I love thatUnknown Speaker  6:59  like you know if it was me, I'd be handing out flyers you know, like I'm still stuck in that age that that's what got me brahLewis Hobba  7:09  How much does it cost to advertise on Darryl McGuire's clay shooting facility in walgaUnknown Speaker  7:17  I bought my house for like a shilling you know right like it's crazy prices here welcomeDan Ilic  7:24  shilling That is great. What is that in metric?Unknown Speaker  7:31  I feel like I've got to do the math in my head you know when you're watching squid game and you need to do the math in your head how much the money they're making Yeah,Dan Ilic  7:39  on on squid game I really appreciate that when you type into Google How much is it? Yeah automatically feels 25 million won in in Australian dollars. Oh yeah, Google knows these questions are coming. Yeah, so it costs it costs for an hour $100,000 so I couldn't afford an hour also I'm like financing this out of my own tax money that I have saved and my own house deposit. So I'm hoping I'm just hoping the Indiegogo arrives in three weeks so it's what we've done is we've bought 10 minutes of of screen time doesn't make sense on square How did you likeUnknown Speaker  8:19  you can't go to a supermarket and go now I just want one slice of bread like how'd you do 10 minutes This is crazy.Dan Ilic  8:29  It's exactly like that time because time on advertising is like a fruit shop the longer it like sits on the shelf it starts to go off so the prices go down and down and down and if you book like pretty if you want like a spot tomorrow it's cheaper than if you book like three months in advanceUnknown Speaker  8:43  is here's what you don't know is my show didgeridoos he flashed up for one second and that cost me $1,000 It cost me a house cost me a walker Walker houseLewis Hobba  8:54  Oh my god you're selling a lot of tickets in New YorkDan Ilic  8:57  how many shillings is thatAnge Lavoipierre  8:58  the I feel like then once you've run down the piggy bank a bit you could move into subliminal advertising and justDan Ilic  9:06  I should I should have done that. I should have done that anyway we've been getting some great press from all around the world. I was in the Daily Mail this week but my favorite stories fromUnknown Speaker  9:16  you said I've been getting a great press and then you went on to say Daily Mail which isDan Ilic  9:24  well I was so excited because in the in the title for the Daily Mail actually use my name they said Dan Ilic did this usually they just say some bloke did this going up I've like gone up a levelAnge Lavoipierre  9:34  you also got promoted to being controversial comedian, I noticedDan Ilic  9:39  is nothing more controversial than buying out of Home media space. That is that is very controversial. You know, no one's doing billboards anymore. Yeah, my favorite bit of press though came from pod save the world. We're on pod save the world this week. I'll play the clip and yes, there's a Obama's White House. Ben Rhodes and I will extremely good friends. As you can tell, by the way he pronounces my name.Unknown Speaker  10:03  I got this buddy in Australia is going to Dan Ilic. Forgive me, Dan if I if I just butchered your last name, but Dan's a hilarious guy, and he hosts a podcast called rational fear where we got. So he reached out to me after one of our Australia said, No, no, he's the guy that put the plaque near the McDonald's, where Scott Morrison, the prime minister was alleged to have, you know, shot himself. And so he said, the latest thing that a bunch of Australians have done and I think there's overlapping circles with Australian world owes is they started like this kind of crowdfunded effort to just take out billboards in like places like Times Square, just like whacking Scott Morrison for his climate record, or like at a Glasgow in you know, just internationally pressuring the guy. So it's like that this has evolved from the plaque at the McDonald's to like a billboard in Times Square. It's it's a good thru line. What's your buddy's name again? Dan? I like okay, Dan.Unknown Speaker  11:02  We're doing this in real time. We're building the coalition Yeah.Unknown Speaker  11:08  Very positive the world view of the world I would be thrilled to work with him. Yeah. With scammers or murder. Yeah. Or any BritishDan Ilic  11:17  listeners want to wanna have some fun with Boris Johnson I say yeah, yeah, my name is Dan I like it's good to be running the show today.Ange Lavoipierre  11:26  I think it's probably better actually.Unknown Speaker  11:30  Yeah, it couldn't be worse it could have been I licked in so you'reDan Ilic  11:36  yeah well, when I used to do kind of Lewis and I used to work on kind of worms and when we did that dico used to call me Danny lick and yeah, it was so anyway, so tonight well actually the billboards are going to be coming out actually before this publishes so for folks on the stream you're about to see the world exclusive of what the billboard in Times Square looks like. So are you guys ready to say this with us? Yeah. All right, here we go. So what we've got is we've got our a classic Australia net zero by 2300. This has got a bouncing kangaroo with flames on fire. It's incredible animation. That's going to be take up a whole city block in New York City. We've also got a great Australian government against humanity. AD, which is great, including to to flop This is during a deadly pandemic former commission to fix the problem by building a gas pipeline. And then the next flop says as carbon emissions reach forward in 16 parts per million the most urgent thing to do is approved for new coal mines in one month. On one of the corner billboards we've got a ad for a fake Comic Con, but instead of Comic Con, we've gone with Cali con, its special guest Matt Canavan, winner of best called cosplay 2020 and on the other side we've got a missing persons ad. Morrison last seen doing nothing answers to scomo and mykolaiv the chaser have have authored a billboard as well they sent me some artwork, which is this one called a file dump goes to Glasgow and you may have seen you may have seen this floating around people have been tagging him in tagging me in it all week it is this ad from Shaun Marsh visit Australia we're rich in sunshine wind and climate denial which is great so there you go. That's that's what some that's what's coming down the line so the biggest billboard in New York City that's fantastic youLewis Hobba  13:33  need to just film it for the 10 minutes and then put it on loop on YouTube so it looked like it was for an hourDan Ilic  13:41  well it's gonna be a three minute 20 loop people will be able to say it three times All right, let's get into the second fear I CAG vs ibac and what are some of the greatest hits of ikAnge Lavoipierre  13:53  Ah, there's too many dimensions this is the thing I've been very effective over the years so in case anyone at all ever missed it, which just seems so distinctly unlikely but here we go. So Gladys berejiklian of course had to resign earlier this month and that was because we found out she was being investigated over the famed clay pigeon target establishment in walga Dane Simpson represent and so now that associations there forever now I'm so sorry Dane don'tUnknown Speaker  14:27  but it's it's actually well known that if you date anyone from woolgoolga we will take you down with us we do not go down if we are ever in trouble we are like your comment your comment this flame this ball of flames is now bigger with you people it's brilliantDan Ilic  14:45  Dana sorry and Stan had don't have you been to the walker Walker clay pigeon center. What's it No, no, I'veLewis Hobba  14:50  never been it's just for international High Roller here. It was really expensive.Ange Lavoipierre  14:53  It's really it's it's really well fitted out. There's like there's a little fountain like it's ShouldUnknown Speaker  15:01  you also you introduce me as an Aboriginal man What do you think I'm going to be welcome at this clay pigeon place if anything it's dangerous for me to go like they might mistake click clay pigeon for me you know they like I'm hearing clear of this place now whatLewis Hobba  15:16  welcome Olga means place at many pigeonsUnknown Speaker  15:20  It is a place of many crows is what they sort of have been building their foundations on in Walker Walker for such a long time now but one of the one of the elders from this way uncle Stan grant SR which is obviously staying grants dad has been talking about this for so long that Walker Walker means place of many dance or to dance intoxicated Lee with the spirits which is so so cool but what I find funny is that he put this out there I don't I don't use stories and this is only recent in the past like three or four years and somebody in the comments on the newspaper actually wrote you can't just come in and change tradition and blowing my mindLewis Hobba  16:09  Yeah, I will thank you for that correction I've been I've been I've been shooting my mouth off about place for many crows for a long time I've been wrong for a long time so apologies to all the peopleUnknown Speaker  16:18  everyone has even on the walker City Council's like boards memos and stuff it's got like a little crow that's the logo so it's it's a it's something that's deep embedded in the walker Walker culture so it's only just recently that uncle Stan grants been August and grants been talking about it for a while, but it's only been adopted and starting to change in the last couple of years which is us hopingAnge Lavoipierre  16:41  it comes up at AIPAC so there is I really think that that would be well here's my thing. Okay, so I have reached the conclusion that no one gives a shit about corruption allegations, like correct me if I'm wrong, but I am yet to find anyone who truly gives like an emotional shit I'm not talking about like, Oh, you know the story about the resignation or like getting to like re talk about Gladys and Darrell which, you know, is wonderful fodder for FM radio. You know, I'm talking about actually caring about alleged corruption. No one minds the main headline here so here we go. It's gonna blow you away. It's beautiful. Upon a Victorian Labour Party electric officer has told a corruption hearing he was ordered to buy 1000s of dollars worth of stamps with taxpayer money. And we wonder why it's not getting people hot under the collar. Like spam so quick. I can't even think of what it like maybe pet rocks, but at least that would be kooky. Like what if it was 14 $100 worth of firecrackers then? Maybe we could. Like I think they've got to they've got to watchDan Ilic  17:58  $800 worth of sex workers. The sexier headline here Yeah, this is this I mean, that's classic classic Labor Party fair though. That's very different. literally anythingAnge Lavoipierre  18:07  that stands like corruption has become less sexy. alleged corruption has become less sexy. Let me beDan Ilic  18:15  I CAC is so boring. Like what would make it more fun? What would make ipecac more fun Dan?Unknown Speaker  18:21  I know what it is I call it and this is sort of describes the difference between aicok and ibac is if because I cakes a little bit more stronger you know like they if they come after you I catch myself you know what I mean? That's how you remember and if you if it's the other one then I back you to get out of the allegations. That's howDan Ilic  18:47  Yeah, I think you know, I think you know, question time itself is pretty childish, I think why not extend that childishness to like a squid game scenario put all the politicians in an arena with like Hungry Hungry Hippos? You know,Ange Lavoipierre  19:01  I think they need to do more of like a traditional broadcast approach to this whole thing like recognize that they're in a competitive media environment, right on some drag queens to talk about the fashion crimes in the room.Dan Ilic  19:13  Like it's a knockout it's a no calf of politicians. This is what we want to say.Ange Lavoipierre  19:18  We want to see them fight maybe like you know, spend a couple of hours talking about pork barrel in short, but then move on to some actual pork recipes, you know.Dan Ilic  19:29  Now on aicok, it is time for the physical challenge.Lewis Hobba  19:34  If it was like Ninja Warrior, and at the end of instead of a million dollars cash, it was a paper bag with $14,000 worth of stamps now I'm watching.Ange Lavoipierre  19:42  Yeah, totally. I just don't think that explored all the options. I think there is a way to really reengage the Australian electorate in the important work of these anti corruption bodies, but I just don't think they're going the right way aroundLewis Hobba  19:54  it has gogglebox ever watched I CAC.Unknown Speaker  19:59  Rational fair For all of those still upset Gladys berejiklian has resigned this might be the remedy for you. life sized cardboard cutouts of the former New South Wales premier have been put for sale online. Apparently they are sold outUnknown Speaker  20:13  you're listening to a rational fear.Dan Ilic  20:16  This week's that the a small Sydney coffee shop was targeted by an anti vaxxer following the New South Wales health rules in New South Wales. This coffee shoppers received quite a swell of support now the barista and dresser cares 28 was working alone in the cafe when a man arrived and started abusing her saying you're walking implicitly into segregation after yelling at her the man walked away and he said he was very powerful and urged his visitors urged his viewers not to visit the cafe down is segregation the new blackUnknown Speaker  20:56  is at Vax is like the new black is that that's probably it for like, because it's so crazy that they are talking about a country that was actually segregated you know, and it wasn't even that long ago like we're not even reaching into that fiery history since 1967. Obviously the referendum giving Aboriginal people rights and being recognized as as real people and it's so nuts that somebody would just go Yeah, not same thing. Like that's crazy to me that theDan Ilic  21:29  government like oh, and also like you being anti Vax is actually a choice. Like that's Yeah.Lewis Hobba  21:36  Yeah, like that. Yeah. AndUnknown Speaker  21:37  that the, you know, the government's going to, I don't know, go in and start like taking their kids. You know, like, that's a really dark part of our history. Yeah. A stolen generation happened to a race of people. And then just somebody who decides not to take the vaccine goes now I can relate to them. Like that's crazy to me. And I just absolutely blows my mind. I genuinely think that people really need to, like and don't get me wrong, I do understand I get that they they feel like they are mistreated. But to me it's a crazy that someone can just go on I've made choices. And now there's consequences for my choices. Since when did someone bring this in? You know, like it's Yeah, that's how the world works, idiot. Yeah,Ange Lavoipierre  22:25  you can have too much empathy, right? You can have wet you can have too much. I mean, like, I understand what you went through and you're like, no, you're trying for empathy.Unknown Speaker  22:40  Yeah, we've we've did some horrible things to some particularly like Aboriginal people but which which is what he's sort of like linking to but to a lot of different cultures in Australia so it's weird that that's the angle that he's decided to go down I'd be picking a lot more lighter topic if I wasDan Ilic  23:00  here. Yeah, it's like on an iodine genocide versus getting a little NATO to put that on the scales you know, let's weigh that up here.Unknown Speaker  23:09  Why aren't people with pimples on television more like that's where he should be going with it. You don't likeLewis Hobba  23:18  that there was an anti Vax mom who started the yellow stars on to her kids. Oh he says heavy stuff totally like it's it's so it's between Yeah, the the like racial segregation ties and then he just like, if you are ever looking for sympathy for your cause, get the fuck away from these topics like you are you cannot as a white person sit there and I mean, it's just it is infuriating and horrifying stuff. But I will say on a lighter note that what I because that cafe, obviously, after the anti vaxxer had the big grand, the cafe went wild, filled with positive reviews, lines around the block everyone posting videos about how they were going to. So I would just like to say if there are any anti vaxxers who would like to have a rant about this podcast, we would welcome it. And if you can do it in a public place as possible. We would really appreciate it as we love subscribers.Dan Ilic  24:15  Let's say Hang on a sec now 10 News caught up with this hashtag a very powerful anti vaxxer let's just see how mighty he is. Here weLewis Hobba  24:23  go. Reaching boiling point and anti vaxxer blows off steam at an innocent barista. Hang on a sec. I know we're about to get into the heavy stuff but let's I it's been a while since I've watched commercial news and full hat tip to all the puns in that first to set in like I made it's just good toAnge Lavoipierre  24:47  piggyback as well because I don't know that like innocent barista. Like how can we know that for sure like that's really don't know what I'm already on. God is what I'm saying.Dan Ilic  24:59  We need it. Calculating an icon for cafes. That doesn't meanUnknown Speaker  25:03  that I'm gonna hand over my medical private information of whether I'm vaccinated or not vaccinated to buy a cup of coffeeLewis Hobba  25:10  fresh security vision revealed his face for the first time today. And we tracked him down the man who are Hang on a second. You must be kicking himself for not wearing a mask after that. It's like oh, you know, they can track me down.Dan Ilic  25:26  Very powerful. He looks like he looks like Louis hobas child heLewis Hobba  25:29  can't look like white supremacist to me. I don't I don't like it. On his dorm claims he's now sorry.Unknown Speaker  25:39  Do you regret what you did? Absolutely wholeheartedly there's a right way and a wrong way to go about disagreeing asAnge Lavoipierre  25:44  Hang on a sec. Hang on a sec. This is this is exactly how I would apologize when I was 15 I apologize when you're a teenager and you've been caught and you don't mean it and you're being like forced to apologize. Like it's like the child version of a court order. Like if you it's like I am so sorry for what I do. Maybe I'm being cynical,Unknown Speaker  26:08  emotional reaction to what 20 plus moms have been locked away in our home for being completely healthy last time I checkedLewis Hobba  26:16  It's not the first time John's publicly expressed his views regular rants or online social media streams the governmentUnknown Speaker  26:23  ain't ever gonna give us back out right HangUnknown Speaker  26:27  on a sec Yeah, he's he's he's wearing a backwards hat I just needed to bring that up that's like if you want to be taken seriously don't do the Pucci you know arrange no one respects that dude at all.Lewis Hobba  26:45  also given that this week the government has given back the right together is this age Paulie?Ange Lavoipierre  26:52  like super concerned about accuracy right like its accuracy one of his core values? I'm not sure I don't know.Dan Ilic  26:58  Yeah, neither awayLewis Hobba  27:00  it's this has been brewing for some time having to stop Hang on a sec. Let's just take note he did say brewing. reading them all the way through it never stops. But gentlemen,Unknown Speaker  27:15  I'm feeling very convicted today to do the right thing and send a heartfelt apology to the community and to other baristas that may have come into tracks with my anti vaccine sentiment theAnge Lavoipierre  27:25  feelings no thick I love and I am going to borrow from this man. The casual apology like whilst apologizing to one member on every other member of that group may be offended. Apologize to roadwork is everywhere you know.Lewis Hobba  27:46  If you did by me Feel free to watch this clip back anytime.Unknown Speaker  27:55  Community statues Unfortunately, the whole ordeal has left a bitter taste in the mouth of bitter, bitter taste bitter taste,Lewis Hobba  28:07  bitter taste building to Iran as well I reckon we're about to I reckon we're about to hear a bunchUnknown Speaker  28:13  on froth in it you could sell them so looking forward to opening up and then that happened that it was just like devastating.Unknown Speaker  28:23  But business was heaving this morning.Dan Ilic  28:27  Perhaps stood out by some encouragement don't doubtLewis Hobba  28:32  that it counts.Dan Ilic  28:33  It's I'm I'm waiting for a better latte than never is that gonna come?Lewis Hobba  28:39  Inside state parliament.Unknown Speaker  28:41  That community responded and has responded I encourage every member here to order a coffee from this cafe.Lewis Hobba  28:47  Dom's also got some ground to make up with his family ground ground count. I reckon he felt like a weird sentence.Unknown Speaker  28:59  It was like it everLewis Hobba  29:01  the drama, but would he do it again?Unknown Speaker  29:04  Let's just see what December one looks like for us, Australia, shall we? Steve hadAnge Lavoipierre  29:13  a dress like I resent to him, like addressing the nation as a whole, like the like, okay, Australia, like, come on. How do we work out how powerful he is.Dan Ilic  29:24  And people in New South Wales named Dom have a real complex about running the state so you know, don't don'tLewis Hobba  29:31  ask as a radio professional. You got to respect that taze. You know what I mean? Let's just see what's happening. We'll just say where I am on December 1, you like, I gotta be honest.Unknown Speaker  29:44  It's the chocolate on top.Lewis Hobba  29:49  Really, because again, trouble cafe he know.Dan Ilic  29:54  If you've been following along with this podcast for a fair few years, you'll notice the trend where we mock the most Powerful news organization in the country whenever they feel their pages or airwaves with climate denial. It's kind of fun. It's like low hanging carbon emissions. It's really easy to do. But it's this week you might have seen front cover celebrating how Australia could be the number one in the new global economy the new green and gold. Joining us to explain what is going on is friend of the show who once said that Greta tunberg was the worst possible advocate for climate change, which is why he thinks he can do better himself is the former co host of Studio 10 and current ravey lefty latte sipping learning of health straight. It's the editor at large of The Daily Telegraph Joe Hildebrand. Welcome Joe.Unknown Speaker  30:40  Hi, welcome now Can I just say you goddamn millennials, you're just never happy if you're pitching. Rupert Murdoch, he doesn't know anything about climate change on The Daily Telegraph. And everyday this beautiful 16 page wraparound saying that climate change is real we got to get to net zero. Here's all the ways we can do it. And then what do you do you just Bichon mind Simo and now you're pickingUnknown Speaker  31:06  up the small bars. local park and I cycled around on your little fixes and pretend that you're exercisingLewis Hobba  31:18  yeah that's the pack that's the pack of having done the right thing for two decadesUnknown Speaker  31:24  we were just waiting for the right time.Lewis Hobba  31:28  Well you missed it. It was three It was 30 years ago.Unknown Speaker  31:32  Everyone knows that nothing real happens until the Scots get involvedDan Ilic  31:37  now Joe Joe Don't be too funny otherwise we at the risk of humanizing you then canceled you did mention a 16 page wraparound and I did pick up today's Daily Telegraph and I'm really excited to say just what is wrapped around it oh yeah 16 months interest free from Harvey Norman Interestingly though 16 months interest free is actually the Nationals position on climate action so they take any take any interest for 16 months Okay, what is going on here? Like what is truly happening here now you are the the official poster boy for this whole initiative? What does it feel like to be a shillUnknown Speaker  32:18  to start call Firstly, when you held up that front page I thought we were going to be talking about terrorist talkfest now that's the storyDan Ilic  32:26  yeah you know that's the thing about News Corp they love they love freedom of speech except when terrorists are talkingUnknown Speaker  32:32  we are being funny like that I guess course old fashioned you know sour sour in your mind but you know if you're a terrorist well maybe not. I was actually thinking writing a column you know in defense of the Taliban well maybe you know, I did the one column I always wanted to write was in defense of corruption because you know surely you know look look look look at the world againUnknown Speaker  32:58  No, the no terrorist Lives Matter hashtag. I think I think that's important and I think the cutlery supplies at the RSL that matters and now now we're just talking about it flippantly it'sDan Ilic  33:12  jo jo has it's been it's been three minutes Joe has not answered any questionsAnge Lavoipierre  33:19  like round in this three minutes and we have covered in the podcast so far like we got the cutlery I didn'tUnknown Speaker  33:29  like people criticize down McGuire but the cutlery at the walker RSL is second to none is genuinelyDan Ilic  33:35  like when you bought when your boss says when your boss says to you, oh, Joe, can you please get a wheel out this new campaign to help News Corp greenwash its image like how do you feel about that? What do you say? Obviously you said Yes,Unknown Speaker  33:46  I'd say yes. And I would say we did a pretty good job. I mean, if you have a look at it, this isn't just wash. This is polished. This is Sean. You can't come to a holiday. What most people don't understand. It's been 10 years when jeans at our news companies he changes position or whatever. And then we change our position, which in fact is the position we always had. But you guys were just so disagreeable that you'd never even got credit forUnknown Speaker  34:19  a 16 page no ads not even here. Yeah, you call it you say we're doing it for money or doing it. There's no accident. We do it all for you. We put it in nice little words. We'd love to be pictures so you can understand everything. And in what did you cop? criticize? I mean, honestly, what's the poor fella got to do he's sitting there in New York.Dan Ilic  34:40  allowed to live is a daily show you've got two articles have you on on on that double page spread in today's paper? Well, only one's got a photo though. How come you didn't put your photo on the other one. But he's he's wondering let me just read it. Let me just read out one headline here. Solar costs a costly exercise says Gina Reinhardt, Jane and Ron Hart says the most the cheapest possible power in the world is a costly exercise and this is the opening paragraph Joe in your prime the pro climate change article you've got here. Australia's richest women woman Jenna Reinhardt is warning that rushing to reduce greenhouse gas emissions without proper costings could imperil fam a family farmers and cost taxpayers billions in subsidies there's no there's no mention in this article about the billions of subsidies the general gets.Unknown Speaker  35:29  Well firstly, that article was written by our far right national environment reporter David Mills so I can't wrap for him but if you're okay yeah, look for his work in the Adelaide advertiser you will say this guy is arriving like Hey mate, Andrew bolt looks like look like Tim Flannery. It's disgusting and I'm trying to distance myself from him as we speakDan Ilic  35:51  we haven't distanced himself very well because you're you're both of your articles are on either side of his article like that's gonna talk to you to talk to your layout personsUnknown Speaker  35:59  it's difficult for people to get their heads around but my article is the one underneath my name and the giant picture of my head that's how we differentiate them and and also we're not i'm not sure we may be pro climate change I think I thought I think you mean pro action on climate change but in fact we're not even that because we'reDan Ilic  36:20  pro climate action fair and balanced. Yes, fair and balanced likes like our friends at Fox News. So tell us why is this position rolling out Joe? Why Why is why now a few months out from a federal election is this position in News Corp the most powerful newspaper company in Australia rolling out right now whyUnknown Speaker  36:41  cuz you asked us to you. You keep going on about and then we give it to you.Ange Lavoipierre  36:50  Are you taking requests now that you're doing things because other people in Australia asked you to? Is that like aUnknown Speaker  36:59  Joseph Walton GoFundMe page?Dan Ilic  37:06  So what kind of priority Joe what kind of priority is this new campaign is your zero emissions campaign like well, what kind of priorities News Corp taking withUnknown Speaker  37:15  it was a 16 page wraparound on Monday's newspaper how much more priority doDan Ilic  37:22  amazing 16 pagesUnknown Speaker  37:25  pocket there weren't even any ads on it because we do you guys were talking about that too. Even though you've got your little gaps in your Sleeping Giants and you're mad I think which is saying oh withdrawal advertising until they realized that the only way to get money is to embrace action on climate change. price action on climate change.Dan Ilic  37:48  Joe Joe, Joe, we're not attacking you personally. But what are you doing this? Like, what when when they came to you and said could you be the face of this? What did you say?Unknown Speaker  38:04  I said I said sorry come again.Lewis Hobba  38:07  You No.Unknown Speaker  38:11  Oh, I get and I said yeah, yeah.Dan Ilic  38:18  This is this is like it's so strange. Like, for years, Murdoch papers have done irreparable damage to climate action to Australia. Inc. Going against all the policies that successive Australian Governments have put in championing for dismantling those policies. And then you think 16 pages will do the trick. Do you think 16 pages will save the world?Unknown Speaker  38:42  Well, David, I would argue with a few of those heroic assumptions, the drivers overwhelmingly endorsed Kevin Rudd in 2007. He doesn't seem to remember that these days, as much credit for it. But certainly The Daily Telegraph in the Australian firmly endorsed his prime ministership, in the lead up to the election as all newspapers do, and they editorialize in favor of one candidate or another one party or another. So that certainly happened. And then when the Kevin Rudd was rolled by the greens, when when the greens actually were the ones who knifed his emissions trading scheme in the senate alone,Dan Ilic  39:25  did they just do that by themselves? That wasn't that wasn't the right of that wasn't the rise of the Labour Party.Unknown Speaker  39:33  I'm glad I'm glad you asked. I'm glad you asked. So So firstly, the rise of the Liberal Party. No.Lewis Hobba  39:42  Climate change show it's such an absoluteUnknown Speaker  39:54  climate change the right youDan Ilic  39:56  need to fly these job because you're drowning. That's what I want to ask you. Is this kind of a ride across the news club Empire is is all of news club gonna embrace this this whole move to net zero emissions?Unknown Speaker  40:09  I do not know. We are a FREE and independently spirited organization which values editorial freedom and so yeah whichLewis Hobba  40:17  is I feel like Johnny Depp weed Barnaby Joyce just off cameraUnknown Speaker  40:31  way All right. Free and impartial organization now is something that all they examine all the metro editors so the editors of the major Metro dailies decided upon in a an editorial board meeting soDan Ilic  40:50  independently decided to go along this mission that which is terrific but he never say the same headline on the front page of any news cope newspaper ever you never say like all these court papers all around Australia never run the same front page ever. They don't do that.Unknown Speaker  41:06  That's because I haven't had one written by me before. I could even do the same one I just hit crazy, those Queensland's I just go and do their own thing. It must be written by Jeanette young.Dan Ilic  41:18  Well, here is a here's a great clip from Sherry moccasins book launch earlier this week. Joe love your thoughts on this is Tucker Carlson until he about climate change. One of your one of your colleagues in AmericaUnknown Speaker  41:29  shares point about the international scientific community but clowning itself and degrading its own moral authority. These are the same people and these are the same governments who when COVID finally has will use their moral authority to impose a global warming regime on the west. And that is absolutely the plan. They say it constantly. And in order to do that, they're going to need people to believe that there is such a thing as scientific consensus, and that their point of view is an expression of that consensus. And what we've learned in the past two years, and I'm trying not to use profanity at your air, but that's that's not true. It's bs actual, that these are political actors using the residual respect that people in the West have for science in order to get what they want politically. And once we know that it's impossible to unknown.Dan Ilic  42:19  So Joe, what is your colleague mean that what are what are scientists who are investigating climate change? What do they want to do? They want to run a country? Is this what he's saying?Unknown Speaker  42:29  I'm not I'm not sure. I'm trying. I'm busy trying to unknown that. I don't know precisely what he's saying. But I don't really care how many sees whatever he wants. Yeah, we are. We are,Dan Ilic  42:46  Joe. Joe, I know you've got a job, you got a family. I mean, Jenny, you got to get a job asUnknown Speaker  42:56  my opinion and say whatever I like Tucker Carlson has a job in which he can express his opinion and say whatever he likes sharing my job.Lewis Hobba  43:04  But don't some of those opinions need to be checked by like facts. As a journalist,Unknown Speaker  43:11  by the way, I believe that legally defensible position of an opinion is an honestly held opinion based on the valuable facts.Lewis Hobba  43:22  Theoretically, you could put legally any opinion in a newspaper. I'm just wondering whether or not you should put all opinionsDan Ilic  43:30  also jo joUnknown Speaker  43:32  million monkeys and a million typewriters.Dan Ilic  43:36  And can I I don't think it's, I don't think it's understanding or hyperbole to say, at this point in time, in the time in the history of the world, we're at a serious rule point where everybody needs to use their power to see meaningful reductions of climate emissions of greenhouse gas emissions and meaningful leadership to make that happen. The folks that News Corp get behind do not do that. They are bad actors. Why? Why don't you use your power to help these folks really align with what needs to actually be done.Unknown Speaker  44:12  I'm leaving an editorial series that just launched with an unprecedented ad for a 16 page wrap, all of which outlined, the actions that Australia can take to get to net zero and how beneficial it would be for the country. We're following that up and have followed it up with a series of multiple double page spreads, splashes across all the metro mastheads that again, reinforce all the opportunities that come come to Australia by embracing netzero and tackling climate change and reducing carbon emissions. The series is ongoing, it is ongoing indefinitely. Our partners and countries ongoingDan Ilic  44:55  indefinitely. I thought you said as a limited series. You're only gonna do a bunch ofUnknown Speaker  44:59  minutes. I was limitedDan Ilic  45:01  Oh I must have missed a master mistakeUnknown Speaker  45:04  I know it's it's going it's going for it's going for no no but News Corp Australia it's not even news it's going for at this stage about 29 years until 2015. going right up to Glasgow throughout Glasgow. We have we have contributors ranging from the Australian Conservation Foundation the World Wildlife Fund. Got an update from Adam bank in the pipeline. One from my space Yep, yep, you heard it here first. And I think we're readyAnge Lavoipierre  45:41  for flowers to like get any of these people to participate or were they just up for it?Unknown Speaker  45:46  No that knocking our door down there absolutely knocking our door down we broke Chris Bowen launching the Australia Institute's report. I mean, now we've got 24th Mark Carnegie I don't know what sort of people you're worried about we've got all these guys on board who are saying this if you if you're saying if you're saying that we also should silence anyone who disagrees well that is something that so Roger or anyone who believesDan Ilic  46:13  I couldn't help notice Joe Wallace I couldn't help notice Joe while this campaign launched, Alan Jones was harsh it was in quotes in hospital is that for a reason at all?Unknown Speaker  46:25  Yes rupert murdoch shot his yeah he cut his brake cables on the way out any I don't I'm not sure if Alan Jones is even a columnist in the paper anymore but um but again I don't I don't understand I don't understand the logic that we do we do this we do this thing we bring out this series that outlines in full technical detail and again How am I doing this is the normal job. But hang on a minute. You used to employ Alan Jones or that you still let this person speak? I don'tLewis Hobba  47:07  like if you knew someone if you knew someone personally who had been wrong for their whole life, and then suddenly completely changed their opinion but you'd been sitting there going I know who they are now I'm right and you're why this person and not only were they wrong, but they were telling everyone else this wrong fact and then suddenly they just pivoted it didn't bother to go Joe I gotta be honest sorry I was wrong for so long. like to just do a pivot and then a gaslight and be like no we always thought this like it's you got to understand the handbrake that you put Australia on with absolutely no warning and like not even not even a little sorry for all of the bullshit like nothingUnknown Speaker  47:44  like thank you for noticing Louis I have always been right. And I always say I've always said exactly the same sorts of things that we're saying now in this series you can look at anything I've written anything I've say said on Sky or on radio.Dan Ilic  47:59  I've always had gratitude and gratitude Berg is a terrible advocate for a lot becauseUnknown Speaker  48:03  that's why that's why I'll have to come along she makes it she makes it look silly and ridiculous I mean, jumping up and down I mean I don't want to join the pile on against credit because she's a kid but the cult worship of grown adults who should know better who think that this is gonna somehow persuade middle Australia or country and regional Australia that this is the way to get on board that's that's madness. They're writingDan Ilic  48:29  kids because kids become adults Joe and and she's she's 19 she's across the science I've seen her talk I've listened to her speak she's pretty incredible.Unknown Speaker  48:37  I don't wanna have a god I've been I've been the why the why to get people on board with tackling climate change and hitting the boys and zeros to tell them about the opportunities that are there and to tell them about the jobs the economics not to jump up and down and sayLewis Hobba  48:59  like copyright infringement you just saying well the rest of the world has been saying for so long, it's likeUnknown Speaker  49:06  the rest of the world has actually been focused the rest of the world and if you look at a lot of the a lot of the coverage and a lot of what's been said previously, the rest of the world and many other media outlets have been focused more on the catastrophic catastrophic consequences of inaction or if you want if you want to actually persuade people and you want to get people on board, I think you offer the more carrot and less stick I'm just a positive guy. What can I say? More capitalistic,Dan Ilic  49:34  you know like, like, like, you know like mortgage to redo your home with with with solar panels. That's a good thing to do.Unknown Speaker  49:44  Yeah, we're doing a lot of that you should read the campaign. It's really good.Dan Ilic  49:50  It's an editorial tubers who came on the show a few months ago, Joe and Saul's an incredible brain when he said to me said, you know, News Corp. Got to run this campaign. What do you think of it? I think I said I think that's a great thing because it actually does hit into middle Australia. It is the folks that do by the Daily Telegraph to read the rugby pages only. It is an incredible vehicle for the one with a round with the ball with the with the thing. It is incredible. It is incredible resource for folks, everyday Australians, and it is really important vehicle and a platform to tell the truth. I just guess everyone's baffled as to why you're telling it. Now,Unknown Speaker  50:36  right? If you confuse you can read a soul Griffis plan on how households can save enormous amounts of money on their power bills in Saturday's Daily Telegraph or your favorite news quote paper wherever you live in Australia. So Griffith is a proud partner of mission zero.Dan Ilic  50:50  Joe, thank you so much. You're gonna jump in andUnknown Speaker  50:56  just like chatting to Joe is the conversational equivalent to untangling headphones and it's likeUnknown Speaker  51:10  everything you want, everything you ever want has done everything.Unknown Speaker  51:13  rotten. I can finally hear that Cheers. But I've got to like, Listen, I'm not into that. Yeah. Beautiful.Dan Ilic  51:21  Thank you for coming on and letting us ridicule you to your face. We really appreciate it. You're always extremely generous.Unknown Speaker  51:32  There's no planet Bay.Dan Ilic  51:34  We go. That's it for our show tonight. I want to thank all of our guests tonight Angela papa. Dane Simpson Lewis Halbert. Joe Hildebrand What would you like to plug andAnge Lavoipierre  51:45  Oh God, I know it's gonna get the chance. Um, I've got a comedy show coming up at Sydney. It weirdly it's happening again? factory theater 11th 12th 13th of November. It's called spiders Follow me. There will be no spiders in the show. I can't contractually guarantee that but it's not likely there's going to be so many of us that probably get afraid and run away anyway. Factory theater 11 1213 spot is calling me you can find it online.Dan Ilic  52:14  Dan Simpson well you want to playUnknown Speaker  52:16  I've got my new show coming out. Did you read doozy I'm going to be Perth, Adelaide Melbourne all around Google me check it out. I'm all over the telly doing all these different shows as well as check it all out it's awesome also, Louis looks like youtuber Tom cardi and ILewis Hobba  52:35  are quite good friends that I've grown this mustache in his honor.Dan Ilic  52:38  Oh there you go. Joe Hildebrand I not quite sure what you want to plug but what would you like to blogUnknown Speaker  52:45  Oh apparently this campaign that the newspapers are doing called mission zero sounds real about it. But there's this thing called climate change apparently is really bad so we should get on board.Dan Ilic  53:01  It is and they are taking it very seriously. And you can actually sign up to their email newsletter I've actually done that myself. So I went to the news corp email list and it's not under the AMPM it's not under what the buzz it's not under breaking news alert you have to scroll all the way down Blair report go pass go pass Sydney confidential go past the beat the bookies email if you want to skip that email list, it's not the real estate section. You can't sign up yet to that sports news update then go past the true crime Australia email list you don't want that's not the one you want. You definitely don't want to sign up to the divine report. That's not the that's not the one you want to sign up to go past. Extra cover a whole email all about cricket. And then at the bottom, you will see mission zero newsletter. That's the one if you're interested in climate change, the greatest moral problem of our generation, you'll want to scroll all the way to the bottom of the news corp email list to sign up to that one. SoUnknown Speaker  54:05  I want to see what she had to say.Dan Ilic  54:10  Joe, thank you so much for joining us on rational fear again. I always enjoy having you on Big thanks to Rhode Mike's Patreon. Our Patreon supporters the Bertha foundation. Until next week, there's always something to be scared of. Good night.Transcribed by https://otter.aiA Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/👕 BUY OUR MERCH HERE🤣 JOKEKEEPER: CLICK HERE G'day Fearmongers  — On the podcast this week we chat with Kylea Tink — the new independent candidate for North Sydney who is running in the lower house at the next federal election. Who is she? Why is she running?Also comedians Ben Jenkins, Diana Nguyen, Dan Ilic, and Lewis Hobba dissect Scott Morrison's COP cop-out, plans to assassinate Julian Assange, and Diana decides to run for the Northern Beaches electorate of Mackellar.NEXT WEEK:  You'll hear our new spin-off show "Julia Zemiro Asks Who Cares?"CHIP IN TO OUR JOKEKEEPER: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jokekeeper-shaming-australia-s-climate-inaction/x/1681048#/🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/👕 BUY OUR MERCH HERE🤣 JOKEKEEPER: CLICK HERE Bertha Announcement  0:00  This podcast is supported in part by the birth of foundation.Dan Ilic  0:04  Good evening, Lewis. How are you?Lewis Hobba  0:06  Hello, moneybags. How are you?Dan Ilic  0:08  Well, let's not talk about that yet. We're gonna save that for the show. But Louis, we might by happenstance have a few more listeners on the podcast this week. I don't know why I don't know why. But for people who've never heard the podcast, Lewis, so what? How would you describe it?Lewis Hobba  0:24  It's a great question, Dan. I would describe it as there's chitchat. There's news, there's climate change. There's interviews. But mostly it's a fundraising campaign. We're essentially take your money. There are people here who are saying you're talking about important issues, you're talking about climate change? Yes, sure. That is a smokescreen. At the end of the day. What we want is cash, cash, cash, cash, cash.Dan Ilic  0:48  It's true, it's true. We want your cash head to patreon.com forward slash irrational for you. And the other thing we want your money for you hear about in a second, we should let people know that this is the kind of podcast where eventually we discover who gets murdered. But at the end of the season, and this show, you know, we were 130 episodes in. It's a long game. It's a long game. Yeah, that'sLewis Hobba  1:10  right. Much like a true crime podcast. It has been going on too long.Dan Ilic  1:13  I'm recording my end of irrational fear on gadigal land in the ordination, sovereignty was never seated. We need a treaty. Let's start the show.Unknown Speaker  1:20  A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks, Canberra COMM And section body or rational fear recommends listening my image your audience.Dan Ilic  1:33  Tonight with Australia coming out of lockdown Scott Larson says he may not go to Glasgow as he has more important picnics to see back at home and Prince Andrew has been served with a sexual assault lawsuit in the United States. The prince was quite accepting of the latest developments saying no sweat and after information leaks that the CIA considered killing Julian Assange for leaking information. Mike Pompeo asks for options to have himself assassinated. It's the first of October and this is the podcast that Nancy Pelosi calls the best podcasts in Australia. This is a rational feeling.Welcome to rational fi I'm your host former professional singing kebabs Dan Ellis and let's meet our female guest for tonight. She's the queen of corporate comedy on LinkedIn and she's probably considers herself a little bit snotty judge for yourself from this note cast is Dinah Newman. Hi welcome welcome Diana.Diana Nguyen  2:36  Welcome thanks for welcoming and I welcome myselfDan Ilic  2:40  you could just do it you want to take over here and welcome Ben Jenkins deadly very good to you know from the checkout when the week the fade you also might know him as your friend in the group chat who's always talking about how great it is to be sober in the pandemic. It's the intoxicating but not intoxicated, then Jenkins Welcome back. Hello.How is sobriety going for you Ben.Ben Jenkins  3:03  It's you know, it's I don't know, I don't know if you guys have ever done a stint of sobriety. But one of one of the things that like it's very good, but one of the things that they don't tell you is that you can't be drunk I'd say that it's a major drawbackLewis Hobba  3:25  getting on board until I had that factor now it's a no Yeah, no,Ben Jenkins  3:28  they put it in the fine print. I'mDan Ilic  3:30  I'm drinking right now. He kind of stumped me. And he's a man I haven't actually written your intro Louis. I've had a big day sees a man LewisLewis Hobba  3:37  he's a man that's it. That's all I get unbelievable. But you know what? an upgrade on the boy I used to be.Dan Ilic  3:46  I still enjoyed introducing Craig rocastle last week his former chaser boy now chaser, man. He loves it. Coming up. We're gonna be talking with Kylie Tink the new candidate for North Sydney. It's very excited, independent candidate. But first, we're gonna message from our sponsor a real sponsor. Well, sort of it is us. We've actually got a new spin off show starting once a month here on this feed hosted by a very famous Australian. Have a listen. Here's the trailerJulia Zemiro  4:14  Hello Julia Zemiro here, and I've got a new podcast about politics for people who hate politics. Australians have any confidence. I know look, sometimes reading the news can make me feel powerless. So I started asking my friends. Does anyone care? I found out a lot of people do care what started as a fight for justice. Today's protest is proof it's not working. We have to do it. We've got to see change. I also discovered what happens in Canberra affects you but here's the amazing thing you can affect Canberra. I'm feeling more powerful already. Once a month on the irrational fear podcast feed. I'll be asking Who cares? In my new podcast, Julia Zemiro asks Who cares? I know I'm some kind of marketing genius. Some of the folks I'll be talking with, you'll know and some of them you won't. There'll be from all walks of life making a difference in ways big and small. I want to excite you to listen, talk, think more about the choices we actually do have, and how we can get active and learn just how powerful we can be. We have an election coming up. And I want us to know a bit more about what's happening out there so that when you go into vote, UK, so grab your megaphone and yell, what do we want another podcast? Why do we want it only once a month for about six months?Dan Ilic  5:37  Thank you. There you go. Jay Z here at first on next Thursday, we're going to be taking a break and Jay Z is going to be taking over next. On next Thursday's podcast. All right. This week's first year, Scott Morrison has decided he won't go to the most historic global world leaders meeting in his tenure. That is the cop 26 conference Climate Change Conference in Glasgow. fishmongers. Why weren't Scott Morrison go to this very prominent event?Ben Jenkins  6:06  Like what's he going to do? If you if you had the opportunity to like because it is always good to turn up to Glasgow and eat shit, and like he deserves to eat shit. He shouldn't be eating shit. But if you had the option of not eating shit, you take that one right? LikeDan Ilic  6:25  but isn't eating shit in Glasgow more exciting than eating shit here in Australia?Ben Jenkins  6:29  I mean, I don't know man, I gotta tell you. I would say the only thing that I'm enjoying about this entire Prime Ministership is how much this man fucking hates being Prime Minister it's honestly the only thing that's keeping me sane is like one person having a worse time than a lot of people in lockdown and it's Scott Morrison. I shouldn't be glib because obviously a lot of people are doing a lot harder than a you know somebody is who's got millions of dollars and and and absolute job security due to a stunning lack of opposition. But like honestly, this man, like, got to wanting to be Prime Minister for all the kind of bells and whistles and sashes and nice trips and conferences where you get to wear cool clothes and carpet and red jackets. Yeah, and he's just picked the worst time in modern history to have this job for somebody for somebody you like and you write down like that's what he just wants to be whatever the prime minister or crew equivalent of just kicking back in Hawaii is he always wants to be doing and so he just goes to Hawaii does doesDan Ilic  7:41  the meme the main is true though the main kind of rings true that Scott Morrison does nothing like everything he does is at the last minute just as everything kind of gets to a crisis point so he can mess up handling that crisis. Everything just seems to be like, Oh no, someone else will worry about it until it becomes a void it really it's like the buck stops with him with everything but he's kind of forgotten that other people that like he needs to look after stuff as well. It's such a strange environment fame today, but IBen Jenkins  8:09  do I do have like something that approaches but is not sympathy for him in in in this because like, like I say any other time in the time that he's been active in politics. That is that is the status quo. That is what you do, you know, passing the buck. Yep. And, and just putting it off, and just waiting for it to go away. Like 99% of problems. I'm not saying they should be solved this way. I think it's bad to solve this way. But politically, that has actually never been that much of a problem. And it's this guy's Mo. And like I say he's just picked VA one time in history where that looks incredibly bad.Lewis Hobba  8:47  Kind of like if you look at the end of say, like Julia gaylords Prime Ministership, at the end of it. She was friends with Rianna now at the end. He's gonna be friends with what Peter Dutton that is a bad dinner.Ben Jenkins  9:01  Yeah. Yeah.Dan Ilic  9:04  It's so interesting that even sports people are saying they're not going to go to the lodge, or go to kirribilli to have their photo taken with him anymore. It's such a very strange, like, go free. And hey, I'm also also on this story. A comedian wanted to buy one billboard but ended up running a welfare program for the neglect neglect to that sector. I don't know if you saw this story. So yeah, so we're in the last week on the podcast, you would have heard us talk about trying to raise $12,000 to put a billboard in Glasgow.Lewis Hobba  9:34  And for the record at the time, I thought a bit greedy. I was like, Alright, Dan. Look. I've been on this podcast every single episode since it started and we haven't seen $12,000 in 10 years.Dan Ilic  9:51  Yeah, No, we haven't. I haven't. But anyway, so I ran this Indiegogo campaign. I put the post out six o'clock on Monday, and I should have known it was going to go off. You know, when we when we spoke about on the podcast, we published the podcast on Friday. We mentioned if you want to find out about this, find out about this this project to make sure you join the email list and over the weekend, like I said 123 but 30 new people signed up to the email list. And I was like, well this actually might, this actually might be a problem like we actually mightLewis Hobba  10:28  wish I've never pressured for success.Dan Ilic  10:32  Let me tell you exactly All I want to do is pay this invoice and go to bed. I thought I've run glue as you and I ran a Kickstarter campaign or Indiegogo campaign for rational feedback in 2014 we were trying to raise $50,000 and it took a month to rise. Well I got through this Indiegogo I managed to raise 50,000 in like two days Yeah. And now it's up to 112 $112,000 so but I've got a new plan so I'm pivoting the whole campaign to cold call that joke keeper and we're basically spend a whole stack of money on billboards Yes, but a whole bunch of money on comedians who have been out of work to produce sketches for the for for the election coming up so it's a war chest to roll out for the election. It's like satire if the ABC didn't run it like the ABC is is hold on Saturday but you don't actually have to say anything with it. So it's like a Saturday you can actually have a point it's really doors you don't have to answer you'd have to talk to Becky asLewis Hobba  11:38  a as a current NBC employee I have nothing to do with the billboard campaign but I do think it's great and obviously it's a bit complicated on the podcast but I'm not involved.Dan Ilic  11:46  Yes and Louis I want you know, you're not gonna get a single sentence. SoDiana Nguyen  11:51  I'm just struggling strugglingLewis Hobba  11:57  pays me now the podcast gets behind me. Louis, what do you wantDan Ilic  12:04  to get paid 100 bucks a week from the podcast? Or do you want a job on national radio?Lewis Hobba  12:09  Honestly, that's a difficult decision right now.Dan Ilic  12:13  So anyway, we've got these billboards to make Dave you guys got any thoughts about what billboards we should put up like ideas for climate change oriented billboards to make fun of the climate policies of the Australian GovernmentLewis Hobba  12:24  What about since the temperature is rising the whole we make the billboard but the whole thing's like a mood ring. That changes color as it gets warmer. Right? That is great.Dan Ilic  12:36  I love that. Yeah, that's good.Ben Jenkins  12:39  What about an ad for fantasy?Lewis Hobba  12:42  Oh, that's interesting. That's interesting. Your soft drinks Coca Cola.Dan Ilic  12:49  This isn't a Hamish and Andy podcast,Ben Jenkins  12:51  delicious beverage that that that people can buy in stores and I think people would enjoy seeing that on a billboard to remind them that beverage Yeah, I may have missed the break. I just heard bill boys.Lewis Hobba  13:05  They're supposed to be Australian Australia represent Australia so maybe it should be something like dirt cheap furniture, you know, like, just see if he can do here's the dirty guy if in fact, isn't the dirty Guy istockphoto is that the truth? Yeah, the dirty guy who you could buy the dirty guyDan Ilic  13:22  man you would know this because you would have done this for the checkout right? Surely.Ben Jenkins  13:25  Actually. No, I stole this fact from James Colley because he did it on growing and I'll do it again. Yeah, he was a he's a stock photo guy and he and he he has a pipe in the stock photo he's got a pipe in his mouth and when you when you know that because they photoshopped the pipe out because they didn't want to be associated with pipes for Advertising Standards, but when you know that he has a pipe you can't you realize that's one of the unsettling things about the image that it's it's got a lack of pipe.Dan Ilic  13:56  I'm gonna be looking out for the Photoshop pipe. In the next time I drive past the 1000s of durruti billboardsBen Jenkins  14:02  you'll crash your car Daniel it's mesmerizing. Diana DoDan Ilic  14:05  you have any ideas for what should go on these billboards we're making around the world?Diana Nguyen  14:09  I was thinking like Corey my bush or something helped quarry the bush. Oh.Lewis Hobba  14:17  Have you? Have you considered approaching Lara bingle I know that when Scott Morrison was in Hawaii Lara bingo was one of the first and obviously most important people to tweet out where the bloody hell are you Scott Morrison in the bushfires? Which is great stuff from her.Dan Ilic  14:32  I reckon really interesting I think LaraLewis Hobba  14:35  bingle you know I think I reckon obviously she's she's got the money now she we can you know we don't need to pay too much. And I reckon she do it I reckon she would do it she seems like they kind of I reckon that would be up her politicsBen Jenkins  14:48  All right. I want to pitch something to you guys. I want to pitch something to you guys listening listening. larvae angle on a beautiful beach. reminiscent of the of where the bloody hell Yeah, 2006 way I can find, but it's a beach. That's all it's all it's all ruined by climate change. Okay. There's the waters, the waters yucky man isDan Ilic  15:11  had been Have you been reading? Everyone who's replied to me on Twitter with a teardrop in their name is that reading all right.Ben Jenkins  15:21  So she's there and it's not a nice looking beach. And what's that in her hand? It's a beautiful bottle of fat. And the coffee just readsUnknown Speaker  15:40  that's a matter for the Queensland Government.Unknown Speaker  15:42  I mean, that's a matter for the cranium. That's a matter that all rise with other premiers and Chief Ministers. That's really a question to the premium. That's a matter of I'm happy to take up with the other premiers and Chief MinistersDan Ilic  15:52  a rational fear. Hey, second fit this week. So a report came out on Yahoo News that said that the CIA had planned to Is that aLewis Hobba  16:01  joke and their opponents?Dan Ilic  16:04  Well, you know what, here's the thing. Here's the thing, BuzzFeed news is stopped doing news and Yahoo News. So there was a gap and said, We need another ridiculous person to take over the news. Let's be that let's be the new wacky news person but they're doing journalism again. Yahoo's actually doing real journalism. So they had this report that said that the CIA was actively developing plans to kidnap or assassinate WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange during his London Ecuadorian embassy stay. This is very, very strange story. Like this is absolutely zany stuff. This is from the Trump administration. Mike Pompeo, all these guys who benefited from Julian Assange, the leaking material, all of a sudden wanted to kill him. Why wasBen Jenkins  16:53  that? Yeah, well, they had the material.Lewis Hobba  17:05  Like, I know that killing people isn't funny.Dan Ilic  17:07  But no,Ben Jenkins  17:09  it is going.Lewis Hobba  17:11  It is pretty like can you imagine working in the CIA, it does feel like they get to the seat, they get to assassination pretty quickly, pretty often. And it would be quite fun to be in all of their meetings. And you imagine there's just one guy, he's maybe called Steve. And they're just like, sure, what are we gonna do about what are we gonna do about Julian? And Steve's hand just goes up, and everyone just goes, shoots right? Here come, Steve, what are you What isDan Ilic  17:36  this? I think the best course of action here is to terminate, like, Yeah,Ben Jenkins  17:40  we do. Alright, moving on. Secret Santa.Dan Ilic  17:47  Santa toLewis Hobba  17:48  say, listening. Anyone else on point? This is the break that comes through. It's like, what should we do with Steve and Steve's? Like, Oh, no.Dan Ilic  18:01  I need to be I need to be taken out of the picture.Ben Jenkins  18:06  I do get the feeling that there is some assassinations, which really are just to like, let the whoever the writing CIA Steve is set to just get it out of their system so they can get some work done. Oh, yeah.Dan Ilic  18:18  I mean, I think this is like when they retire as well. They can have a conversation with someone while I was the guy had to guess. You know, I, I press. I press go on that email. Yeah.Diana Nguyen  18:28  I've got like a board of how many numbers of people they've killed, like, you know, like a boy's room?Dan Ilic  18:35  Yeah. I really enjoyed this quote from the former counter intelligence officer saying, Yeah, when Trump took office, there was a fundamental change. Nobody, nobody in that crew was going to be too broken up about the First Amendment issues. I was like, well, they got. Trump later was described as saying he was just spitballing. He was actually one.Ben Jenkins  19:02  Look, if you're discussing a problem with the CIA, like, you're gonna spit both of them, right.Lewis Hobba  19:09  It's like, have we considered running some sort of billion dollar? I don't know, drug importation scheme that we can blame on someone you know, of course, is the classic Should we just killDan Ilic  19:21  spitballingBen Jenkins  19:22  but it's a classic for a reason. They'reLewis Hobba  19:24  also in terms of wacky schemes to do with Assange. Didn't he have a wacky escape plan?Dan Ilic  19:30  Oh, yeah, there was rumors that he was going to escape by Russians in Erlangen a van or something right. Yeah.Lewis Hobba  19:35  And there was like it was like a classic, a classic sort of Ocean's 11 situation where he was gonna, they were gonna bring in like a package that was gonna be in a really big bag and then he was gonna have to kill him.Dan Ilic  19:48  I think they tried that, but the bag had a hole in it. There was a WikiLeaks.Ben Jenkins  19:55  Do you remember the footage that that ironically leaked out of the Ecuador. An Embassy of Assange trying to learn to skateboard.Dan Ilic  20:04  Didn't Pat Moran doesn't like that as thoughBen Jenkins  20:07  he could have Yeah, somebody sent him a skateboard. I needLewis Hobba  20:10  to say I said he might break his neck.Dan Ilic  20:15  Sir, if we, if we sent him a skateboard, it's a very dangerous, very dangerous.Ben Jenkins  20:22  Yeah, it's great. It really reminded me because he's he's just trying it in a room which is quite a small room. And it really reminded me of me trying to learn to skate in my bedroom, but you just can't do like you can't do one wall and then you turn around and do the other one. Yeah, I mean, if you if if what you currently need in your life right now,Dan Ilic  20:42  man, I feel so bad. If you feel sorry for people living in the Ecuadorian embassy, and then people below the Chilean embassy, they would have been very annoyed with the sound. Yeah, you know, I always thought like a great escape plan would be because Julian Assange is so iconic. You know, he's an iconic looking man, and you could dress up 1000 people to look like Julian Assange, and swarm the Ecuadorian embassy and then disperse. That's really yeah, it's classic stuff thatLewis Hobba  21:08  end in 1000 guys who look like CIA agents, and then you'll never know who killed him.Unknown Speaker  21:14  Rational fearUnknown Speaker  21:15  we're not going to achieve net zero. In the cafes, dinner parties and wine bars of our inner cities. InBen Jenkins  21:21  Australia trying to go for net zero emissions is like a 10 year old boy who thinks he's Superman and jumps off his parents room. He doesn't have the technology and he's going to fall flatUnknown Speaker  21:31  on his face, your fear is rational.Dan Ilic  21:35  Next out, this is a warning for people who live in the seat of Fowler an immigrant is moving to your suburb to buy a house. Yes, last week it was announced that Kristina Keneally is moving to Fowler to kick out somebody else so that she can run for the lower house. This is a very strange story she's leaving a perfectly fine senate seat to go to a perfectly hard working Lower House seat like why would Kristina Keneally want to move to the lower house at all die?Diana Nguyen  22:02  Well the house is cheaper probably from the northern couple of more houses in the West Couldn't youDan Ilic  22:11  that's true that's true. This is a strange story because you know the labor they're always pretending to be authentic and genuine. And they want to be seen to be doing the right thing by the people that they represent including removing event maize woman from running in that seat with somebody who has never had a connection with that so how do you how do you say as a as someone all that maize heritage How do you feel itDiana Nguyen  22:37  I feel a bit redundant. Vietnamese people shouldn't do anything at Australia I think that's what they're trying to say. What it's showing is that there is a kind of tokenism when Asians are needed and I guess with the Labor Party in this case, the Asian female Vietnamese politician was it was a immigrants from America female to represent the lower house so disappointing. disappointing.Ben Jenkins  23:05  I did see them trying to sort of like you know, when somebody sort of it's usually happens on Twitter where they sort of try a line out and they're like yeah, that's rubbish sorry. I saw him sort of trying to be like well actually we're talking about to immigrants here quite roundly went Shut the fuck up and they went rightLewis Hobba  23:27  we didn't get to assassinations give us thatDan Ilic  23:31  like saying alibi even step up and going well, you know, and playing that same line, just like well, you know, she's an immigrant. You know, we got we got to embrace this story.Ben Jenkins  23:40  Yeah, it's funny, like, I know why they can't do it. Well, like I know what the conventional wisdom why the convention wizard says I can't do this. But like, it's so funny the way that like, labor especially has to tie themselves in knots to not just say the truth, which is like, this is all factional. And there's like so much shit going on. That's complicated behind the scenes, that this is just how shit works. And it shouldn't work this way. And it's terrible that it works this way. But let's not pretend that that's not how it works. And instead of having to do these like crazy contortions, to make it seem like it's like a just thing. ThatDan Ilic  24:13  was the real story, Ben, in terms of the senate factions, what happened up in the Senate that meant that Kristina Keneally got booted out Yeah,Ben Jenkins  24:19  my understanding is that because of factional maneuvering, she got bumped to the third place in her senate ticket which is not a safe place. So there was actually there was actual danger that she was going to lose her upper houseDan Ilic  24:30  seat is that right? We're gonna ask our next guestBen Jenkins  24:34  she got done over in the senate internally from labor and so they're trying to shift it to a to a safer seat in the lower house. Potentially also because she at least might harbor leadership ambitions. And you know, there there are people in the party that really that really writer I mean, I do think that's one of the funny things about this whole story that like, all her defenders are like, well, she's actually an incredibly savvy, political All right and then you look at how she's handled this whole thing and it's like watching someone trying to fix a fucking watch with bricks and that's like it's like oh man if she could bring this like political mouse against the the liberals that should be unstoppable like yeah there's not a lot of skill on on display here even if that's like the mercenary reason you're saying, Oh, we should fuck over this young woman because you know we're getting we're gonna get this incredible heavy hitter in the way that she's conducted herself even like on those terms is an impressive row andLewis Hobba  25:30  Barnaby Joyce was asked about why they weren't going to rein in like the COVID conspiracy theorists. And he says like, Whoa, we need the votes. And yeah, and you were like, Oh, he said it and it caught the whole thing down. Everyone was like, Oh, yeah, okay. I mean, obviously that's right, that makes youDan Ilic  25:50  sad. Is that the same approach that you take to when Barnaby says oh, well, you're gonna say whatever the government says. That's right.Lewis Hobba  25:58  Whatever they got in place yeah, that's why he is supporting Barnaby Joyce I think he's right talking giovanelli isDan Ilic  26:05  john angla on the YouTube says media beats up on Canadian vs two ignores the greater problem of gender and diversity in the coalition well this is true the coalition isn't as diverse as labor that's for sure die would you What would you do to increase gender and diversity in the coalition?Diana Nguyen  26:22  Well, I think there's a no go for the coalition I'll just say right but I was just gonna say Dan like you've raised all this is money I could run as an independent if you know you couldDan Ilic  26:34  this is a greatDiana Nguyen  26:39  yeah, we couldDan Ilic  26:41  say what say Dad I would say do whatever gender run gender run it getsDiana Nguyen  26:45  off the Northern Beaches. I would just love to be there.Ben Jenkins  26:55  You could there's gonna be a house in Scotland is gonna be available it's only accessible by boat.Lewis Hobba  27:01  I I've lived in Sydney for I don't know 10 years I don't know where is Scotland Ireland? pittwater.Ben Jenkins  27:09  Scotland Ireland is? Yeah, Tim Pete what it is it is an island it's not in Scotland. So one out of two ain't bad. But yeah, it's it's it's just fairies there and bam.Dan Ilic  27:21  You need the new nickname for Scott Morrison is Scotland Ireland because yeah, that's in Scotland.Lewis Hobba  27:27  Maybe instead of going to Glasgow for cop 26. You can just go to Scotland I've visited clearly what else? What do you want?Unknown Speaker  27:36  a rational fear. The French have always liked to stand a bit aloof from was Anglos. We've never had the kind of intimacy with the French good friends and all that they are. They're not family, a rational fear.Dan Ilic  27:55  She's North Sydney's new, independent candidate and it's going to be an exciting race. According to her LinkedIn, she's a successful business operator and NFP, campaigner tenacious, intelligent and compassionate. Well, you know, according to us, that sounds a bit arrogant, don't you think? Please welcome to the podcast Kylie tank. Welcome, Kylie.Kylea Tink  28:15  Thanks, Dan. I thought you were gonna tell me it sounds like a dating profile. Actually, I think.Dan Ilic  28:21  Well, no, it actually does sound like a dating profile. Anyway, this is your next six months is dating and electorate. How's it going? Has anyone caught your eye?Kylea Tink  28:30  I'm actually gonna say it's been a bit of a roller coaster. It's been a hell of a ride, not expecting it to be as amazing as it adds. It has been, you know, we launched only last Saturday. So we're 10 days into a campaign and already we've got, you know, hundreds of people walking around the North Shore electoral in a pink t shirt that says, team Tink, which is kind of bizarre when you're the Tink and you're looking at all these people walking around with your name on them. So it's um, it's actually starting next week, Diana I just wanted to say sorry Dan McKellar is looking for an independent camp. McKellen's up Palm Beach.Diana Nguyen  29:07  I'm actually from Melbourne. Hi.Kylea Tink  29:12  Christina. From independent as well, which city? I am Ben Ben. Sponsored by fan. Yeah, is that correct? Yeah, that's right. Then I am running for the seat of North Sydney, which is me. Funnily enough on the Northern line.Dan Ilic  29:31  Yeah, it's slightly north. Who are you?Lewis Hobba  29:34  Who are you taking down Kylie? Who are you hoping to take down?Kylea Tink  29:37  I am running against a gentleman called Trent Zimmerman, who is you know actually is a really really nice guy. I've met Trent a number of times he's just seems to have this issue where he's completely ineffective because he's a government backbencher. And so actually has less power than anybody else in the parliamentary system. So he talks one way he is a climate advocate and you know his has spoken a lot about Protecting the Great Barrier Reef, but then when legislation comes up in the house, he actually voted against it. So we've he's a bit confused.Dan Ilic  30:07  It's something that a lot of the people in this climate independent movement talk about, they say, you know, well, the good guys are good, but they vote the same way as the bad guys. So Who the hell are you, Kylie? and How dare you try and vote against the good guy?Kylea Tink  30:20  Thank you for asking, Dan. That's a good question. Isn't that what Lewis said earlier? Actually, Dan? Well, if you believe the media, according to a newspaper article recently, I'm the problem that the government has, at the moment people like me interview, a little bit tired of waiting for middle aged men to get it right. And so we're deciding to stand up and actually call it out and say that we actually think Australia can be and do better. So if you'd told me 18 months ago, that this was what I would be doing, I would have laughed almost as hard as I've been laughing, listening to you guys waiting to come in. But here I am. And I just couldn't be more on it.Dan Ilic  31:03  This is a big ask. And it's an extremely stressful process. How did you come to the conclusion that you wanted to put yourself through this process over the next six months? really seriously,Kylea Tink  31:14  I there was a moment for me last September, where our Prime Minister came into the state of New South Wales, and said to the public, if New South Wales would not build a gas fired power station in our state, then the federal government would build it, and they would use federal electronic money to do that. And this kind of ding went off in my head. And I just thought there's something wrong with this, you know, like New South Wales doesn't want it, but the federal government wants to build it, what's going on here. And then the next morning, I heard Mike cannon Brooks from Atlassian, came out and said that the Prime Minister saying that to our country was the equivalent of him going to work the next day and telling all of these programmers, they could only work with an abacus. And it was like, somebody dropped a cat in my lap, I suddenly went, Oh, that makes so much sense. You know, like, this doesn't make business sense. What our Prime Minister wants to do is illogical and irrational. So I think that's when I first decided I had to stand up and say, because I have been a successful businesswoman. Dan, thank you very much. This isn't good business. So yeah, that's when I decided it was time to go into politics.Dan Ilic  32:22  That same catalyst is the same for a lot of folks. I mean, this is, in particular, for me, I started to go, what the hell is going on when, during a pandemic, that the group of people that get together, the National COVID, committee commission, get together, and they decide the best way to handle the pandemic is to build a gas pipeline? Like I'm not a doctor, but it doesn't quite make any kind of sense, also, and I was so enraged after six months. And of course, these of course, no, Greg Hunt was looking at his emails in that six months, because he was like, Oh, no, the National COVID committees got it sorted out. But it's just crazy to think that and just really, just, like IBen Jenkins  33:03  say, we try to play out, it's very easy to snipe from the sideline, weDan Ilic  33:12  don't know, we don't know, the gas pipeline can fix it. Yeah, that's true.Kylea Tink  33:16  You know, what I think it is, the problem is that we've got, to me that's an approach of, you know, we've got a government that's obsessed with still selling VHS cassettes, when the rest of the world is live streaming or listening to your podcast, you know, like, they just don't seem to want to step into this new century. And that's got multiple issues for us, you know, not only for our, for our kids and their kids in terms of the world that they'll be growing up in environmentally. But economically, Australia stands to get left behind, you know, we should be Excuse me for a minute, but we should be a renewable superpower, we have more natural resources in this country, than any other country on the face of the planet. And yet, we still want to hang on to that little brown rock and pass it backwards and forwards in Parliament. So we can do better. And I think it just takes normal people like us to stand up and say, you know what politics is about the people, not the party. So we're taking it back.Dan Ilic  34:11  Carly, tell us a little bit about your history. How did you get to this point, like, how did you get to the point you're like, you know what, I've done enough. I want to ruin my career, and go into politics.Kylea Tink  34:22  So I think I'm a born campaigner, actually, Dan. So I'm one of four kids. I grew up in a small country town at Northwest New South Wales called coonabarabran. coonabarabran is very excited because at the last census, their population grew from three set 3000 to 3001. And we got to change the signs as you come into the town. So it's a great little town that hasn't moved a lot. And it has a really strong culture that when you want to get stuff done, you lean in together. You know, that's how we had the tennis courts built. That's how we got the youth center built. So I grew up in an environment where I just knew that if you wanted to make the place better, you just had to find the right group of people to work with to make that happen. So, over my career I've worked in areas as diverse as domestic violence advocacy. I've worked in tobacco control. I've worked in sun protection. I've worked with the HIV AIDS community. I've worked with kids in immigration detention centers and young Australians doing it tough with mental health. I've done a lot of work in Canada youDan Ilic  35:19  sound you sound already you already sound like a young Australians. Do I get tough? Ah, that's correct day. That is good. Good. That's good gear. You'll be doing that on a current affair in no time. IKylea Tink  35:29  had that long before I was. Thank you very much. All right. Yeah. But no, my probably one of my most amazing experiences for I was the CEO at a organization called the McGraw foundation for six years where I went in just after Jane passed away and because I really respected Jane and I wanted to see the idea that she had had come to fruition. And I just had this six year experience of you know, we were five nurses when I went there. And by the time I finished we were 100 nurses, the Sydney pink test had been born and all these things that people said couldn't be done had suddenly been achieved. So I think for me that that's fundamentally what drives me I love that question. Why? And then the extension of it of why not you know, why can't we do it differently? And to me, that's what's pretty amazing about campaigning at the moment Actually, I'm running amazing group of volunteers we're a community organization and we're standing up against some pretty big machines in the form of the parties but people are joining us you know, they they're coming out and saying we want to be counted to so I don't know where this will go honestly, guys, I just think that it's a bit like your billboards if you can do something that disrupts the conversation enough that other people stand up and take notice. I think that's a pretty amazing thing to have the capacity to do so I'm all for your billboards down and if you want to put a billboard in the North Sydney electorate saying we've looked from Ada Zimmerman and can't find Trent anywhere where is he on the environment I will back you into doing that all the way.Dan Ilic  37:04  Well, you know, he looked Kylie I technically on the lead to support any candidate, but I am allowed to the right others so you may find you may find billboards but of me attacking transit women, but I won't be able to actually support support you andBen Jenkins  37:21  also also saying, you know, maybe some choice things about a delicious orange beverage.Dan Ilic  37:28  Fanta. Hang on, would you believe we lost Lewis for one second? Let me just call him. He had a blackout. Blackout. He's in the car. True story. Lewis did you have to adjust to leave the podcast because we started to get political and you were just worried about losing a job at eBay.Lewis Hobba  37:49  Right. This is going to cost me a small amount of money. I've got to go.Dan Ilic  37:56  What happened? Where did you go the whole?Lewis Hobba  37:58  My father has lost power. I've just been I thought it was misused. But there's a whole three wide blackout. I've just been meeting my neighbors for the first time.Dan Ilic  38:07  I tell you what, if Kylie was a professional politician already, she'd say, Well, this is the problem with coal power.Lewis Hobba  38:18  I feel nervous. I don't know what I'm going to stream. I've already started deciding based on a coconut going bad. ThatDiana Nguyen  38:26  was mean. That was me last week with the earthquake. I was like, this is it. We're done.Dan Ilic  38:32  Well, Kylie, thank you so much for joining us on irrational fear. And thanks, everyone for joining us. Do you guys have anything to plug Diane? I do want to plug itDiana Nguyen  38:39  in, right? Yeah. If you're a snorting fan, I've got a podcast called the snort cast. And if you know Kiana Reeves I'm still chasing him. So please bring him my way.Dan Ilic  38:50  And you're also raising money for a climate project who you're raising money for.Diana Nguyen  38:53  Climate for change is doing an October fundraiser. They're raising $300,000 and Ambassador one of our ambassadors do Lucy they're actually on live right now they're raising Kobe's 300k. Sorry.Dan Ilic  39:05  Excellent. And we are supporting climate change too. We've given them a billboard. So if you want to go to climate change, and and by that billboard, you can decide what goes on it. Ben, do you wanna plug anythingBen Jenkins  39:15  I have a podcast called free to get home that I do with with Louis's radio partner, actually, Michael, where we go through classifieds and find ones to talk about I'd say that too bad plug for it, but really, there's no other way of putting it that's the shot.Dan Ilic  39:32  Can I say it is a show that does talk as it quite like in the first five minutes incessantly so just be aware of that report is always filled with fans know freedom good home is one of the funniest podcasts in Australia it is an absolute Kak make sure you listen to it. So is the snort cast. And Lewis Sam Do you wanna plug anything you wanna plug like Australia.Lewis Hobba  39:55  Candle lamp I'd like to windmill uh huhDan Ilic  40:09  Kylie Tink Kylie, what would you like to plugKylea Tink  40:12  I would like to plug everybody getting up and listening to you guys every week because I think it's good for the soul but also for people to really think about where they stand on the issues that we've had so much fun talking about tonight, you know, these are their big issues and it's our turn to stand up and make the difference when it comes to them. So get involved to get out there and don't just accept the status quo.Dan Ilic  40:33  Thank you very much, Kylie. Really appreciate it. Big thanks to rode mics our Patreon supporters Jacob round. Also if you want to support Joe keeper who is keeping us alive head to rational fear.com or Indiegogo or anywhere on social media to find the link to Joe keeper. 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🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/👕 BUY OUR MERCH HEREOn the podcast this week we do a shallow dive on the Nuclear Submarine deal, and give it one ping only. We release a never before seen internal corporate video from The Liberal Party that shows us how they've fixed their woman problem.Refuse to go to the Met Gala with Nicki MinajHeath Franklin takes us on a tour of all the Picnics he's been to this week.And we chat with Stephen Horn from South Africa's equivalent of Juice Media — Politically Aweh! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1GT1_L1P0EFearmongers:Heath FranklinNina OyamaGreta Lee JacksonLewis HobbaDan Ilic+ An interview with the South African Juice Media "Political Aweh!" Bertha Announcement  0:00  This podcast is supported in part by the birth of foundation.Dan Ilic  0:04  Good evening, Lewis.Lewis Hobba  0:05  Hello, Daniel. How are you?Dan Ilic  0:07  I'm really good. I'm really good. Because earlier this week, I had a bit of a viral hit.Lewis Hobba  0:13  I know I saw it on it on every available platform, and I watched it on all of them.Dan Ilic  0:18  Did you just say just to make sure it did translated across platform? Yes.Lewis Hobba  0:23  Is it shit on Twitter now? still great.Dan Ilic  0:25  It's pretty, it's pretty shit on Tick Tock. It has to split up across a couple of clips on Tick Tock. If you didn't see it on Monday, I did my own 11am press conference for COVID and it went viral. Yeah. Now I've done because so many people have seen it. I 250,000 people have seen it. Does this mean I now have to do this every week, Louis.Lewis Hobba  0:46  Yeah, I'm afraid so. You have to do it until you get investigated by CAC and then you have to come up with a reason not to.Dan Ilic  0:54  I would love for this podcast to somehow make it into like I CAC or set an estimate senate estimates is the one you want.Lewis Hobba  1:00  Yeah, there's everyone's been for federal I CAC I want a podcast I CAC I want to drag the whole layout to start with Rogan and work my way down.Dan Ilic  1:09  I am wanting to do it again next Monday and the Monday after so but I want to sponsor because so many people have watched it. The next one's gonna be just as good. Like if if you're a sponsor out there with deep pockets and you want to pay to be in my libertarian press conference. drop me a line. Get in my DMS.Lewis Hobba  1:25  Yeah, Dan, the new Tick Tock guy. I cannot wait to see you at the next anti Vax conference.Dan Ilic  1:30  It's gonna be huge. Yes, the TIC Tock guy, of course, you know, he's got COVID right. him and his father have both got COVID Yeah,Lewis Hobba  1:39  it is. I mean, it's one of those like, predictable but sad situations.Dan Ilic  1:43  Yeah, if it wasn't so serious, I'd make a whole bunch of jokes about it, but I'm not gonna I hope they are COVID free soon and he can get back to doing what he loves doing best predicting the numbers of COVID I'm recording my end of irrational feet on gadigal land in the eora nation sovereignty was never seated, we need a treaty. Let's start the show.Unknown Speaker  2:04  A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks cambro COMM And section 14 our rational view recommended listening by immature audience.Dan Ilic  2:18  Tonight in a landmark deal with the US and UK Australia is set to get nuclear submarines the prime minister said we're at the front of the queue and we should have the summaries by Christmas. And Phil geishas is finally released his findings from the Brittany Higgins sexual assault cover up investigation at the top recommendation is some nuclear submarines. And Scott Morrison has committed Australia to net zero French submarines by 2050. It's the 17th of September and be careful what you shoot at most things in here. Don't react well to bullets. This is a rational fear. irrational fear.Welcome to rational fear. I'm your host former French Navy contractor Daniel itch and this is the podcast that gives you some floaties as the ship is sinking all around you and tonight we have got some great fear mongers to jump in the water with us. He is famous for impersonating one of Australia's most well known criminals so it's little wonder he is massive in New Zealand. It's the legally funny hate Franklin, get a get a Hey thumb. Have you been missing travelling between New Zealand and Australia to do lots of gigs there?Heath Franklin  3:29  I actually missed the first three weeks of Sydney lockdown because I was doing a five week tour of New Zealand. So yeah, coming back here and go from sellout shows to homeschooling.Dan Ilic  3:41  As brutal for the Aygo and she's Australia's favourite purveyor of bodily substance based humour on Twitter. But these days she's so busy writing multiple TV shows at once is Nina Yama. Hello, Nina. I mean, you are so busy writing jokes for proper TV shows. Will you ever go back to come jokes on Twitter? Oh,Nina Oyama  4:00  well, you don't know what kind of TV shows I'm writing. Dan. Do you know the other day on the TV show that I'm working on which is for Disney. They said there were too many comm jokes. And that wasn't even my episode. Okay, that was someone else's. And we had to do a composite where we took out all the comm references.Lewis Hobba  4:21  I didn't even know the Mandalorian could come.Nina Oyama  4:25  Yeah, baby Yoda um, he was making snow angels out of the calm it was that we got in a lot of couples so they vetted that, again, not my episodes, so I'm actually not even the most disgusting person in the writers room, which is weird and rare, to be honest.Dan Ilic  4:39  I mean, you can imagine Disney would love a bit of come in some of their shows like frozen would be great because he could, you know, make make a serious comment about IVF then that's a great thing to go today, right there.Lewis Hobba  4:49  And just before you're coming, let it go.Dan Ilic  4:55  And he's the man that people call the Jaime splake of public broadcasting just as funny. Just as smart does the same job but a fraction of the price it'sLewis Hobba  5:03  it's actually I wish that would show you but you know what I actually get you know how everyone in like in showbiz, no matter where you are, you always have like you're someone who is a friend but who is a professional enemy. And you're always you always find out that the job he just missed. They got it for me at the moment. I've been getting a lot of jobs that Andy Lee has rejected because it's not enough money. Let me tell you the things here Jax are the most profitable things I've done in my life.Dan Ilic  5:31  I'm looking forward to the new show on CHANNEL SEVEN, the 50Lewis Hobba  5:35  it's only ABC can afford.Dan Ilic  5:39  Wow, excellent. Hey, coming up, we speak to the person behind the South African equivalent of juice media. And we'll ask him what is Afrikaans for shit fuckery. But first, we have a sponsor segment and we have a special guest with us for the first time to talk us through our sponsor segment. Please welcome to irrational fear credibly Jackson. Welcome, Greg. Hey,Greta Lee-Jackson  6:00  hi. Hi, Dan. Hi. Hi, everybody. How are you going?Dan Ilic  6:04  This is very unusual. I feel like this is turned into like a studio 10 segment where we kind ofNina Oyama  6:12  record now which onesDan Ilic  6:19  as well as being one of Australia's funniest comedy performers. You are a corporate video director. And this month, you had to do a job that you never thought you really had to do. What was it? That's right,Greta Lee-Jackson  6:28  that's right, you know, in comedy can not really be sustainable sometimes. So you got to dabble in a bit of directing. And a lot of the things are directed corporate videos. So you know, sometimes when a paycheck is involved, you have to work for the enemy dead, you know, if, especially if they're looking for advertising expertise, you know, it's like you like one day you might tweet about how mining is destroying the planet one minute but then you know, Rio Tinto comes along and offers you some coin you're not gonna say no to push their agenda via video.Dan Ilic  6:56  But I was just gonna say bhp going Oh, climate, climate sensitive. They want to sponsor this show. We'd be we talked to them.Nina Oyama  7:02  They actually maybe I should do the thing that Christian porters during the day, which is just not sponsored, but not talk about it, you know, just say,Greta Lee-Jackson  7:11  Fine, you have no idea where it's coming from fair enough. No.Dan Ilic  7:15  And great. That actually, that actually ties into your corporate video.Greta Lee-Jackson  7:18  Yeah, I just want to share a corporate video I shot earlier in the year. It was a very big deal for the government at the time, but we haven't been able well. I say we they haven't been able to release it for a while because it needed some like legal edits. Like oh, like like, I guess disclaimers needed to be edited in according to legal advice. So it was all aboveboard and now they finally the libs are finally able to release it. And it's pretty exciting stuff now that now that it's all aboveboard, I'm really excited to show you this thing because it's kind of wild with all the disclaimers that were edited in. Yeah, I guess the libs just want to reclaim the female vote that let's just put it that way. Because that'sNina Oyama  7:56  not the only thing they want to reclaim that female. I don't even know what that means. That sounds really nothing anyway.Unknown Speaker  8:05  In March of 2020, the women of Australia made it clear that they wanted things to change, fed up with the lack of government action when it comes to gendered violence. Many marched to Parliament House to demand the Morison government listen to what they had to say. Well, the good news is we did here's some of the many changes the Morison government made that will benefit all Australian women. When former liberal staffer Brittany Higgins went public about an alleged rape in a ministerial office in 2019. The Prime Minister listens to BrittanyDan Ilic  8:34  after his wife clarified it to him using his daughters as a theoretical example,Unknown Speaker  8:38  and immediately ordered an inquiry into which members of his office knew about the alleged incident to the right people can be held accountable.Dan Ilic  8:46  This report was June June 2021. It has now been suspended before it could be completed due to legal advice.Unknown Speaker  8:52  When a historical rape allegation against Christian Porter was made public. He was immediately stood down from his position of Attorney General and leader of the house.Dan Ilic  9:01  Christian Porter has been reinstated as acting leader of the house. And inUnknown Speaker  9:05  2018, the Morison government commissioned the respected work report, which made 55 recommendations towards how to improve women's safety at work.Dan Ilic  9:14  The Morison government voted against 49 of the 55 proposed recommendations including changing workplace laws to ban sexual harassment and for employees to have a duty of care to take meaningful action to prevent sexual harassment from happening.Unknown Speaker  9:25  We've caught a gone not gone, the Prime Minister created a new women's task force to tackle these problems. Head on the Morison government looks forward to making the behaviour of blokes like Barnaby Joyce, who resigned from his position as Deputy Prime Minister due to sexual harassment allegations. a thing of the past.Dan Ilic  9:43  Barnaby Joyce is once again the deputy prime minister. He's also been appointed to the women's task forceUnknown Speaker  9:49  because the Morison government looks forward to the future. That's why we're holding the women's summit in September of 2021 with a prime minister will definitely be listening to what them Many speakers will have toDan Ilic  10:01  say Scott Morrison appointed himself as the main speaker the women's summit, Brittney Higgins was invited last minute by third party.Unknown Speaker  10:08  Ladies you asked for change and youUnknown Speaker  10:12  got it not technically true. The Liberal Party put your blind trust in us supported by DianaDan Ilic  10:17  royal am for rational for your camera. That was very good grettir wellHeath Franklin  10:22  done some fantastic voicework toDan Ilic  10:26  that pace was actually supported by Dinah Ryle. And she is a fan of irrational fear. And this is the first comedy sketch we've dubbed the irrational fear as part of our joke keeper package. So if you are a person who loves irrational fear, loves the sketches we make you want to see a sketch made that you know, you can't quite articulate how angry you are. Maybe we can do it for you. We've got a team of people to do it. Jump in my DMS throughout the week, and we'll see if we can get you a sketch mode as well. So big thanks to gretta. And big thanks to Diana Ross. That was great. grettir irrational fearGreta Lee-Jackson  10:59  is horrible. But we also need to put things into perspective. There are 8 million citizens who don't have a choice in how they spend their free time. That is no way to live.Dan Ilic  11:08  Your fear is rational. Alright, this week's first fear now It was announced this week that Australia is getting nuclear submarines a trilateral agreement between America, the UK and Australia. It's called orcas, which Boris Johnson has actually said it's quite an awkward name and I agree it should have been called or sac which is a more appropriate name for a dildo shaped boat filled with seven. Scott Morrison declares that orcas pact is a forever partnership so that nuclear submarines are basically the grownup version of BFF bracelets. The French government expressed complete disappointment. They felt like they were deceived by Australia after Scott Morrison acts the $90 billion submarine contract. Australia cheated us a French official said what are we your spouseHeath Franklin  11:55  and then he hits someone nearby with a baguette until they've arrived fell off.Nina Oyama  12:00  Then you have to do the accent for the rest of the podcast.Dan Ilic  12:04  Jean is a big announcement historically a prenup now that now during these hours,Nina Oyama  12:08  there was 16 people on the live stream and now there's 50Dan Ilic  12:13  there's actually 18 it's goingLewis Hobba  12:20  to complainDan Ilic  12:22  that during these big announcements historically, like presidents have like a habit of bestowing grandiose nicknames upon the leaders. They're meeting like Do you guys remember when george bush met with john Howard and called him the America's deputy sheriff in Asia? Well, Joe Biden also had a nickname for Scott Morrison. This was it.Unknown Speaker  12:43  Thank you over to you, Mr. President. Thank you Boris and I want to thank that fella Down Under. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Mr. Prime Minister. I am honoured today to be joined by to America's closest allies Australia United KingdomDan Ilic  13:09  forgetting Scott Morrison his name now should Australia be offended by this. What do you what do you think fear mongers?Heath Franklin  13:16  Let's face it Australia went through a period where we read through Prime Minister's pretty quickly you know what I mean? It was like characters or Game of Thrones. It's like I'll learn their names if they're still around in a few episodes time, you know what I mean? So he's like, just placeholder that's what they do with Australian Prime Minister snatches insert name here has been a great friend of our country for blah blah blah.Dan Ilic  13:37  I particularly enjoyed the good on your power. I like the power of the editor. There was a mostHeath Franklin  13:43  here tussle Scotty Yeah, I'm certainly gonna get all the submarines together to meet up and just touch in with each of them. Somewhere in an ocean somewhere just and then INina Oyama  14:01  think you think Joe Biden would know Scott Morrison's name because he goes to America quite a lot. He goes to Hawaii whenever anything goes wrong.Lewis Hobba  14:11  It did really seem like he just like Scott Morrison just showing him he's really good finger painting of a submarine. It's like,Heath Franklin  14:19  yeah, little fella foot down and we're gonna put that on the fridge with the rest of your homework.Dan Ilic  14:28  I mean, when you think about a nuclear submarine Nina is the easiest and safest way to get to Hawaii undetected. So this is this is perfect for Scott Morrison.Heath Franklin  14:35  Can you imagine how excited he is to have his photo taken on the submarine? all afternoon, Genie Genie Genie I'm gonna get on the submarine. I'm gonna go through the door and the top and I'm gonna get the captain's hat and I'll be the periscope. Summary summary. Just calm down might have a little snooze. Summary In summary, yay.Dan Ilic  15:00  This way second fear Nicki Minaj wasn't at the Met Gala because they were only allowed vaccinated people to attend and so she was absolutely furious that she was discriminated against now the vaccine sceptic tweeted to 22 million of her followers. My cousin in Trinidad won't get a vaccine because his friend became impotent and his testicles became swollen. His friend was weeks away from getting married. Now the girl called off the wedding. So just praying to make sure you're comfortable with your decision. Now, I should point out that none of us here on the podcast are doctors but Nina Yama. What do you think is going on here?Nina Oyama  15:34  I just love Nicki Minaj. And I love the way she's just a troll. Like she just knows how to stir up controversy. I don't know if you know this. But after she tweeted that, Boris Johnson went on, like into a press conference and basically said he'd never heard of Nicki Minaj. But he'd heard of this other doctor called Nikki I can't remember their last name. And then Nicki Minaj then responded to that with a voice message, imitating a British accent saying that she went to Oxford and is friends with Margaret Thatcher. And it was very funny. Like I just she knows how to respond. I know it's part of our machine, but I'm extremely here for it. The other thing, though, I reckon, aren't going to cousin's best friend is a liar. Because American men will say anything to get out of breaking up with a woman like they don't know how to do it because they don't know how to communicate properly. No offence to everybody in this podcast. So what I reckon I already was like, Oh, it's the vaccine like he was due to marry this woman. And then he was like, no, it's, it's a vaccine. It's made me unable to have children. Sorry. And then that news got back to him. And I just cousin which got back to her.Heath Franklin  16:38  So you reckon he's he's two weeks out from the wedding. And he's just panicked. And he's like, I don't want to be here. And he's just got another pair of pants and stuffed it down the front of his pants. She's walked in and being like, What are you up to? And he's like, oh, balls are swollen from?Nina Oyama  16:56  Yeah, it's like when he yells want to get rid of boys. And they'll be like, Oh, it's female stuff. It's female stuff. He's like, Oh, my balls as well. You don't want to hear about it.Lewis Hobba  17:04  Also, we cut the guy trying to get out of PA.Nina Oyama  17:07  Yeah, exactly.Dan Ilic  17:09  I'm pretty sure swollen bows are really strong indication of an STD as well. So maybe he was just using that as a slight excuse to get out of the wedding perhaps?Lewis Hobba  17:18  Yeah, it definitely like the first comment underneath that was like the most like done. It was like going that guy's got chlamydia. And like, once you start to start seeing that decision tree in reverse, like a guy's engaged, but he has chlamydia. And he hasn't gotten it from his fiance. So he's gotten it from someone else. Now the woman has gone. Why do you have such big balls? And he has two decisions in that moment. One is to say I've cheated on you two weeks before the wedding. Or the other say the vaccine gave me giant balls. Now I don't know this man. I don't know him at all. But I can see a world in which he made the decision that he obviously made in which now Nicki Minaj is telling everyone that chlamydia is COVIDDan Ilic  17:57  she's telling 22 million people there are people in in Australia are talking about on the podcastNina Oyama  18:03  started beef with Boris Johnson like she started beef with a world leader. That's next level shit. I'm nothing but respect for my my prime minister, Nicki Minaj.Lewis Hobba  18:14  Also, do you say that Trinidad and Tobago released a statement today saying we've literally gone through all of the people who have reported to any medical stuff and no one in Trinidad Tobago has come through with big bowl so this is just this is just made up ofHeath Franklin  18:29  doctors out there with rules. EveryoneLewis Hobba  18:35  that scales with a tiny little scales underneath every man and we can say the balls a normal,Heath Franklin  18:40  full blown national ball audit across aNina Oyama  18:46  double check. I will say though the Pfizer vaccine apparently makes your boobs bigger for like six weeks so I was like well maybe that's like what happens to guys is that you just get like a bit of testy cleavage going on. And that like subsides butDan Ilic  19:01  if any testy cleavage was like an appealing thing to kind of show it and flesh out in public you know oh you know you BowlsbyNina Oyama  19:10  normalised testy cleavage you guys knowHeath Franklin  19:15  normalise being vaccinated and having big balls as well.Dan Ilic  19:19  Yeah, you can have big you can have big balls and you can be vaccinated These are two things you can have at the same time Let's not make a mistake here.Nina Oyama  19:26  Also isn't having big balls like a good thing like whenever you do something that's like really brave everyone's like Oh, they got big balls. Look the balls on that person that so bit like isn't that a compliment?Dan Ilic  19:35  You can look he has big balls. You can call the later of another country little fella. You can do that. She got big balls. Yeah, ironically,Heath Franklin  19:42  ironically, lying to your fiance two weeks out from the wedding ism display of tiny little bowls usuallyNina Oyama  19:51  hidden in this scenario like if you were had big balls, wouldn't they be full of more sperm and therefore make you more fertile. Besides As a job,Dan Ilic  20:03  coach, we need to call Anthony Fauci. We need to get him on the line.Nina Oyama  20:05  I think Nicki Minaj if you do want to be taken seriously, she should just put a doctor in front of her name because I think like, that's what a lot of rappers do like Dr. Dre, you know, they just make it up just she can do it. This is just so big, justUnknown Speaker  20:21  irrational fear. They publicly linked the Coronavirus vaccines to impotence Prime Minister, how concerned are you? I'm not familiar with the work of Nicki MinajUnknown Speaker  20:31  I'm actually British. I was born there. I went to university there. I went to Oxford. You're listening to a rational fear.Dan Ilic  20:41  This week's third fear as he said well soars past its 70% first year vaccination target the state was allowed some freedoms including a picnic. Yes. Fully vaccinated people outside of LGA of concern can now gather in groups of five outside and have a picnic. Hey, you banged up for this you bang up for a picnic?Heath Franklin  21:00  Oh, I got up me when I was first told by Gladys that our treat was going to be picnics. I was like boo Gladys, picnic sockNina Oyama  21:07  data was like making sorryHeath Franklin  21:11  Don't you dare they are the best. INina Oyama  21:13  prefer a champ.Heath Franklin  21:15  After school we all chomp curly whirly double so yeah, the only really Trump combo is started with the curly whirly because it's intense and then come down the curly Willie methadone is always theNina Oyama  21:26  net worth 99 cents and they're like oh my value Oh Dan, you forgot to mention that one of the sponsors of this podcast is is beach big chomp Kelly really combo that anonymousDan Ilic  21:40  I'm actually just rocking like having Haitian dinner on the podcast Lewis and I don't have to do any work this year. ILewis Hobba  21:46  wasn't allowed chocolate as a kid. I don't get any of these references. If you're typingHeath Franklin  21:50  Sorry, my mic if you care objects down the line for Yeah,Lewis Hobba  21:53  thank you, Kara baguette. Oh, Caribbean non dairy milk as blue chips.Heath Franklin  21:58  Delicious. I remember having not clusters.Nina Oyama  22:04  Granola is that theseDan Ilic  22:05  are all items you could probably have at a picnic case. Would you think this is a fine reward having a picnic? Or is it a bit bullshit?Heath Franklin  22:14  Well, I can say at first I was like burgers and picnics are garbage. You're on the ground like a dog, you know? Or you're on a picnic table. And if you're in the middle of the bench have a picnic table. The only way to get out is like backwards like a scuba diver off a boat. Just kind of Hey, and you know there's nowhere to put your drink down. It's like there's the meats too cold. The salads too hot. It sucks. You know, someone spilled passion in the sky. None of it's gone. Right, right. But after about eight weeks lockdown and Sydney I've similar pigments.Nina Oyama  22:47  Differently different views of picnics, hate because I'm like, Oh, I'm gonna go I'm gonna like play cards with my friends. We're gonna drink cocktails out of like a picnic basket. Or you're like, I'm like a dog on the ground. With the wrong people.Heath Franklin  23:03  Oh, picnics with garbage. But now now. It's like getting a chance to leave the house. I mean to picnics, I'm super into picnics.Lewis Hobba  23:09  This Saturday is going to be bananas. Like this is the first Saturday you can have a picnic in Sydney. The weather is looking pretty nice. I've never heard more people know exactly about the weather on a certain day. Everyone's like, it's looking good. It's fighting up. I don't like here's what I would say. If you are a thief, or a robber, or a burglar, Saturday's gonna be your day. No one is going to be in their house from 10am to 8pm. Go and take all those cheap TVs that people bought from Harvey Norman and lock down while you can you can absolutely clear out the entire city of Sydney.Dan Ilic  23:43  I've actually paid several young men on Fiverr to go down to open spaces to already pre sit where I could possibly have a picnic. So I'm really looking forward to that going down and you know, taking my pick of the picnic places,Lewis Hobba  23:59  huh? Oh, Dan, you're in bond. I and people haven't been following restrictions there anyway, have they? Oh,Dan Ilic  24:04  no man. People have been picnicking for Yeah, weeks here. You know, actually outside my window. I can see often people picnicking in the medium strips like they're there. People come out of their houses to have lunch in the median strip. That's what folks do here. Yeah, natureNina Oyama  24:18  is usually where the buyers want to touch some grass. Dan, just let him do it.Heath Franklin  24:25  What are you saying we're not allowed to have picnics here because I've been having picnics all week. I've been nowhereLewis Hobba  24:30  on Monday, but this is the first Saturday. Oh yeah,Heath Franklin  24:33  no. I work in the arts. I've got nothing else to do. I've been picnicking just everywhere. There's all sorts of picnics I went to I was like one at two picnic blankets already. And then I just had made out of picnic blanket material because I'm tired of carrying them around.Lewis Hobba  24:49  Actually such a boon for big blanket. If you're in the game, you get ready to party level on your house.Dan Ilic  24:55  Just set a level of convenience side digit level of convenience that verges on genius asHeath Franklin  24:59  your bring up a titan company and just buy buy buy buy stocks get into Titan now because it's gonna be messy.Nina Oyama  25:07  I feel like all my friends have gotten into crocheting so they've just made their own cute little blankets and they get to show them off and Instagram them and I'm, I'm happy for them, you know?Heath Franklin  25:16  save you save your energy for yarn bombing hipsters bow. Wow.Lewis Hobba  25:21  The word yarn bombing in a really long time, man back in my day. That was the only war you experienced the great yarn bomb of 20 2010Dan Ilic  25:32  went off so slowly. Hey, Sam tillison beatniks that also went on,Heath Franklin  25:35  I went to a goth themed picnic. They had a cool table that looks like a coffin. But that turned out to be a funeral. I joined a random picnic. I was in between picnics. So I bought like a big one litre type of hummus as an icebreaker. I just walked up to some strangers. And I said, Hey, it looks like you're a brochure of a picnic and they all cheered and high five me and just slid on here. And then I went out, and I bought a convertible because a car with a roof is just a car. But a car with no roof is a mobile picnic. And so now I can picnic on the way to the picnics. I also tried to share our picnic, but the trolley wheels kept getting caught in the grass. And I ended up burning one of my friends pretty badly with a stack of porn and chive dumplings. I was also getting a lot of three and four person picnics. So I set up an account on Tinder, Grindr and Bumble Just to fill out the numbers. my avatar was a photo of a corner operated barbecue and the profile just said no sex, just picnic stuff. I went to a nitpickers picnic where we set up a picnic and other people's picnics and pointed out all the little things that were wrong with their picnics. Alright, I had a vote on picnic where I met with the other four lions, but we weren't sure of forming Voltron constituted a sixth person. So we just decided to play it safe. But then it was just a bunch of robot lions sitting in a park drinking rose. INina Oyama  26:53  understand that reference, because I'm not a fucking nerd.Heath Franklin  26:58  See you later. You're also not 40 I was having a picnic and I saw a neo nazi picnic close by forming and then an Tifa picnic set up next to them as some sort of like cancer picnic. And I thought this is gonna get really ugly, but it didn't because picnics are very calming down. They're very clean.Nina Oyama  27:21  I really thought the payoff was going to be better than that. Hey, waiting to be like, mine camping chair or something.Heath Franklin  27:40  These are all saves you guys. Like you know what I mean? to do an old golden slam tribute picnics. Yep. Which is where I went from an English picnic to a French picnic to an Australian picnic to a Japanese picnic to an American picnic. And I just dominated each picnic.Nina Oyama  27:58  And then you did it and then you drink out of a trophy.Dan Ilic  28:01  Did you do a Shui?Heath Franklin  28:02  I didn't do I didn't do a shoe we know that I am but there's only three people that have dominated all five picnics. And I went to a Josh frydenberg job keeper picnic, which was an absolute disaster. He was like I think 40% of the food cost actually the 60% cost a different amount and also very both ancestral shoes because when we look What are you talking about? Josh? You don't even know numbers, you moron. And you can guess it was there I guess it was there. Jerry Harvey Harvey helped himself but then we were like boo, Jerry Yellow Dog put it back. And then I looked over at Specsavers plate, and they had 19 million Australian sausages. Despite posting profits for the designated period, and you wroteNina Oyama  28:50  that it's improvisedHeath Franklin  28:53  off the time I get it. You've shamed me into not doing it anymore. No.Lewis Hobba  29:06  One was a real low I'm sorry. Sorry. Hey, all the rest of the moral highsNina Oyama  29:09  now I'm loving this picnic material more than I love actual picnic material which is taughtHeath Franklin  29:15  how to have a drink every time you hear the word picnic. That's my advice. By the end of it, you'll be dead and you won't have terrible jokes.Nina Oyama  29:24  Oh, come on. Nick he's just barely better that's what I'veDan Ilic  29:30  done let Nina bully you. Come on.Heath Franklin  29:32  Let's go. I went to a Met Gala picnic. Actually, we couldn't sit down because if it's ridiculous one of my mates put two surfboards in a king single fitted sheet and then got in and then six shot afterwards. One of my other mates winners a letterbox phasmid which is where you see a letterbox you think it's a normal letterbox and then you got to put letters in it and it moves and it turns out it's my brand and dressed as a letterbox. Then I did another another friend who did like a schnitzel origin story costume and lay down it's a mistake and then rolled around of some bread crumbs. And I think it's safe to say that she misunderstood the assignment. And I myself for the Met Gala picnic put myself into a sequence neoprene cowl zone, which was dragged in by a pantomime Pegasus. I also went to a no no core pirate metal album released picnic. If you'reDan Ilic  30:33  wondering if you're just joining us, you're listening to the picnic podcast on the picnic Podcast Network. You want us to hate Franklin giving a list of picnics he's been so in the last four days. He's currently been to quite a few if you want to hear check out the podcast or rational fi.com continue hate youNina Oyama  30:51  know he's this does go for four more hours rightHeath Franklin  30:54  this? Yeah, I spent a lot of time thinking about picnics. I did a lot of research.Dan Ilic  31:03  What other techniques have you been to hate?Heath Franklin  31:05  Well, as I was actually talking about the Norwegian deathcore pirate metal album release picnic when I was interrupted, which was really scary at first, but actually metal heads are really nice people. And there was a salad there that was quite nice. And I got the recipeNina Oyama  31:18  I went to picnic to I went to a picnic where it was as the only girl and there were the rest of them were all straight guys. And it was called a picnic. It was called the irrational fear podcast.Heath Franklin  31:36  I'm sorry. I talked about picnics out a few more but one. To one I had a picnic. Nicki Minaj his cousin's friend. The whole thing thinking I was sitting on a beanbag, but it was not Nicki Minaj his friends. Balls I was sitting on his balls the whole time.Dan Ilic  32:00  Oh my GodHeath Franklin  32:01  just before the wayNina Oyama  32:02  and that was the key Minaj picnicHeath Franklin  32:07  picnic Minaj tribute ball sec. PitneyDan Ilic  32:10  was there like it was a like a highlight. Did you have your favourite picnic? Because what is the one of the lists that you wanted to share with us?Heath Franklin  32:16  That will be good picnics, but like he might offence picnics are more versatile than I first thought. And I've also when I'm scrolling for about a week so I'm losing my mind.Nina Oyama  32:30  I actually went to a picnic and I'm the food was all like, jumbled up like it was all like meshed into each other was so crazy. Because it was brought in a total basket case. I'm trying to I'm just trying to bat with the best here.Heath Franklin  32:48  See, picnic materials not as easy asUnknown Speaker  32:57  this is a rational view.Dan Ilic  33:00  This way, one of our Patreon members put a clip on our Discord. And it was a juice media style honest government ad from South Africa. It was really funny. It was informative as about the ways and means that the South African Energy Department go about extracting fossil fuels. It reminded me of another country let's have a listen to it.Unknown Speaker  33:19  Come to the country is still planning to build new coal power stations, even though the banks pull financing and the courts often won't get your project started with a bank. Just remember, Nelson Mandela said, it always seems impossible until it's done. We shouldn't have too much trouble here. The simple truth is so that's when people don't really care about climate change. They too busy worrying about wildfires, droughts, dirty air and during cancer. The massive explosion caused a large fire they're giving us a cancer they're giving us all the sicknesses come to a country so in love with coal, it's literally everywhere. charcoal, my favourite flavour the rest of the world would have dirty coal but here in Santee, our coal is clean code because we spin a fairy tale story about how we can capture coal pollution and yes Africa remasters and capturing and get this. People believe it like they believe our excuses about loadshedding even though renewable energy could have solved the problem like this, so don't delay. Call today Come and dig up oil, gas and coal in South Africa and hurry while stocks loss. There isn't much of the country. We haven't sold off yet.Dan Ilic  34:49  The God now that was so great, like most of those things in South Africa, you could have just replaced with Australia. I mean, sure. Nelson Mandela. We don't have one of those. You can Replace every shine worn but everything else is pretty similar. It comes from a satirical outfit on YouTube called political our way. It's one of its creators is Steven horn. Welcome to rational fear, Stephen.Stephen Horn  35:11  Hi, Dan. Thanks so much for having me. And hi to everyone else.Dan Ilic  35:14  It was really great like Naina hate Lewis and I have been making satirical comedy in Australia for 15 years. Or Nina hasn't maybe 1010 years. No,Nina Oyama  35:25  no. Little baby in high school making satire.Dan Ilic  35:33  And I think the point the point is, like, when you watch a clip like that, like so many things, and then I'm like, Oh, my God, that just could be Australia. Do you? Do you find it funny that there's a country on the other side of the world that is like going through the exact same shit you're going through?Stephen Horn  35:48  It's very funny, and it's very relatable as well. I think that it just goes to show how across the board, these politicians aren't taking the climate crisis seriously. So that was that was our vibe is just to throw light on that. And I didn't I might be mistaken. This is just coming to my head right now. Did you guys also have a coal plant that like blew up or something?Dan Ilic  36:10  Yeah, in Queensland about six months ago called plantStephen Horn  36:15  that one in our video.Heath Franklin  36:18  From the telegraph.Dan Ilic  36:19  Yeah, no, it's perfect. Like it was like it was like this. The perfect analogy is like phox, South Africa is just Australia on the other side of the on the other side of the world.Stephen Horn  36:27  I guess that's why so many South Africans went to you guys, maybe you guys will start coming here? I don't know. Yeah, I was just gonna say that that power plant that they started when then the dupion consilio are two of the biggest coal power stations in the world that they started building clearly when they already knew that they're going to have to shut them down pretty much once they completed because of the climate change stuff. So they took but they took years and years over. It was I don't know, thumbtack this but it feels like about 10 years overdue, or at least five. And, you know, billions of rands over over budget. And then the week it gets launched, it blows up.Heath Franklin  37:10  challenges the challenge especiallyDan Ilic  37:16  now you sure it wasn't blowing up from an eco terrorists blowing it out? Or is it inside job,Stephen Horn  37:21  perhaps they beat the running gag when we were setting up this episode, we're going to have my co writers kg Mojave user is a really well known South African comedian. He just like brought it right back for us as like, you know, like, myself and some of my other colleagues on the show who are like quite close, like climate, you know, conscious He's like, but like, Guys, we have a lot going on here. Like to give some perspective, you know, South Africa is not Australia in in many other respects when it comes to unemployment, poverty, inequality, racial difficulties that still enjoy after apartheid. So you know, gender based violence, there's a lot going on, that's kind of the running theme. So that became a theme we pulled into the video is like, South Africans don't care about climate change, but actually, like we are feeling the effects. So it was playing with that and and kind of like trying to make people also like irritate people enough to go out and protest. It's like, they're not going to share this video, like fact climate change kind of thing.Lewis Hobba  38:20  Steven, and I, what is it? What's the like, media coverage of climate change, like in South Africa, because a big problem in Australia is essentially that, like 70% of the news media is dominated by one company, you may have heard of it. It's News Corp, headed by Rupert Murdoch. And they up until a week ago, didn't believe in climate change. And all the papers basically reflected that. Is there any kind of coverage of it in South Africa?Stephen Horn  38:44  So there is, it's getting better? It has, it's definitely not anywhere near where it needs to be. Like, given the severity of it, and the fact that our country is heating twice as fast as the planetary average. We've got droughts, we've got all these kinds of issues. I mean, for me, it's soda way. Yeah.Nina Oyama  39:04  Feels like this feels like a first date. And we've immediately just started bonding over our shared trauma. Yeah, you guys are closer cuz we're both back.Heath Franklin  39:17  Arms reaching across the Indian Ocean touching each other being like, let's go out together.Stephen Horn  39:24  We nearly like I live in Cape Town, and we nearly ran out of water like not so long ago. It was like global headlines. And so I can't quite fathom how fast we all sort of moved on from that. Oh, it rained, but will it rain next time?Dan Ilic  39:37  Oh, this is this is I think the point where we're at now. You know, two years ago, we had catastrophic bushfires rip through Australia like huge bush Pfizer mill, a billion animals died a billion animals that is tonnes of symbols. And that was many people thought, well, this is going to be the moment where Australians go well, we should probably do something about climate change because it Fact. And regrettably, the COVID pandemic has kind of wiped that off the table for the meantime, but it's still still lives large in people's brains. Most of the people in the elections want to see climate action happen. But there's a lot of institutional things getting in the way of that happening. Do you feel like a lot of people in South Africa want to see climate action?Stephen Horn  40:18  I think that we discussed this on a series we did before because we've done climate quite a lot of climate coverage. And we do get this argument that people like going but why are you talking about this? That doesn't seem like a priority. But actually people who don't have a voice rural people who are the majority of the country don't, you know, don't have the necessarily use the language of climate change, but are experiencing the effects. And so we tried to highlight that and on a previous episode, we did we had like the kind of Greta thunberg of South Africa, an amazing young activist called they are committee Topher who told us about her family's like farm, like where she's from in the Eastern Cape where they are struggling to grow food, and like this is real problems happening right now. And so, yeah, I think that South Africans want to see action. But there is an awareness problem. And I again, like like you were talking about the media, we need a lot more media coverage of it.Heath Franklin  41:14  Have you guys tried putting chaplains in schools at all?Stephen Horn  41:20  We had about eight zero chaplains or something.Heath Franklin  41:25  I don't know how many chaplains we need to keep throwing at the problem. But we need more chaplainsDan Ilic  41:31  a segue to our shooting shady policies well known in Cape Town that's good. In the clip that I've just played afterwards you talk about this protest. It's going to be happening next week, the uproot the DMR a protest what is that protest all about?Stephen Horn  41:44  Yeah, so uproot the DMR is a is a movement that's kind of draws its name. It's inspired by that hashtag uproot the system protests, which are global in nature, and are being, you know, pushed by the global climate climate movement. And so it's like our localised version, which takes aim at the DMR II, which is the Department of mineral resources and energy, and this government department, you guys, you would have seen this, Dan took it upon themselves to kind of retweet our tweet of our video which criticises them for not doing enough about climate change and Mythbusters fake news. So it's essentially like blowing the whole thing up like massively so we're like, thanks, guys.Dan Ilic  42:29  They they shared your video and tonnes of people will now know who you are, because of that,Stephen Horn  42:34  literally skyrocketing it into the stratosphere. So we're so grateful. But yeah, so that that'sDan Ilic  42:43  Taylor retweeted our coal keeper campaign, that would have been great if Angus Taylor retweeted a cold caper campaign to say it's fake news. Congratulations, that's that's you can buy that kind of publicity that takes you ostensibly extensively, your energy minister is an influencer for you. Yes, yes.Stephen Horn  42:59  He's on our payroll. AndDan Ilic  43:04  now, the idea is that you want to get rid of your enemy energy minister convinced the Prime Minister get rid of the energy minister, is that right? Do you think that is? Is that a possibility of happening at allStephen Horn  43:13  very complicated politics and then against behind the scenes and but you know, our energy minister is is kind of part of the ruling party's top top brass so it's a long shot but that's kind of the point of the campaign is to say to our president sir Rama poza Look, we need green renewable energy clean energy and we need more it's not only just about the energy it's also about kind of a justice aspects and and mining and pot of pot you know, what I thought would interest you as as well hugely on that side of the world is there's a different part of the clip I don't think he showed it but it's it's the three step land extractor process so we invent we have this like product that comes in and it's like, you know, get your Get your copy now. And it's an invitation to fossil fuel companies and mining companies to come and extract resources and fossil fuels here in South Africa, supposedly because we don't care about climate change. And and that that part of the video, that three step process where we show how the government or the the the, the ministry has has kind of almost, you know, colluded or they support these mining interests, you know, so that one area and the wet and the wild coast of South Africa, a beautiful, pristine environment where local communities, you know, want to like they have they have the connections to the land. And they found that as areas and they want to promote ecotourism and that kind of thing. They have been fighting to keep their land, but government's been putting so much pressure to actually push through a mine a titanium sands mining deal with an Australian company called the mineral resources limited. So if you look them up, they are so your mining companies are out there trying to like extract what they can get out of thisDan Ilic  44:58  Westerners. This is like a Western Australian miner he's a complete cowboy. He had some time in jail for fraud or something. And now works now has a shell company that works out of out of South Africa to like rip apart rip apart the wild coast of South Africa. Yep,Lewis Hobba  45:14  looked at if you start yelling at everyone from Western Australia who's done some prison time, you're gonna be angering a lot of Western Australians.Stephen Horn  45:23  Already Yeah, already kind of feeling the heat from some veiled threats from the Ministry. But one of the crazy things is like the one of the crazy things they did is like in South Africa, you have to get our environmental laws are actually quite good. It did, but they don't always get like adhered to. But one of the things is you have to get community buy in, you know, to go ahead with a kind of big project company project in your backyard. And so what is like a parrot lizard, apparently what's happened and what we documented in the video, they literally basked in people from outside the area to come and register themselves as living in that area and voting in favour of the companies like exploit exploitation. So it's kind of crazy stuff like that. And that's why we just knew we had to do this video because there's a lot going wrong that needs to be sorted out.Dan Ilic  46:11  Steven, thank you so much. If you want to watch that video, it's gonna be in our show notes or please head over to irrational fear.com and we'll chuck it in the newsletter as well. Good luck with political airway. Thank you so much for joining us on irrational fear.Stephen Horn  46:24  away away. Thank you Have a good one.Dan Ilic  46:26  Big thanks to all of our guests tonight. Louis harbour ah Franklin Nina Yama or so Gridley Jackson, do you guys want to plug anything hates you wanna plug anything?Heath Franklin  46:34  Yeah, I want to plug picnics. Because the thing to do? Get out there get into anyway.Dan Ilic  46:42  NATO Yama. What do you wanna plug?Nina Oyama  46:45  Ah, um, what question everything. I was on it last week. And it would be nice if he watched it.Dan Ilic  46:53  It's a good show. I watched it last night. It's really really funny. Lewis turn up like anything.Lewis Hobba  46:57  Nothing from me, dad.Dan Ilic  46:59  Steven, what do you what have you?Stephen Horn  47:01  I guess just politically aware. So check us out on YouTube and to spell aware which by the way is South African word meaning Hello or acknowledging someone? It's a W eh? politically away? Please subscribe.Dan Ilic  47:14  Now Jude juice media has a term of a coin called shit. fuckery is there a is there an Afrikaans version of shit fuckery.Stephen Horn  47:21  I had to ask my Afrikaans colleague because I'm not fluent, unfortunately. But he gave me He gave me folker a Afrikaans word for shitters and when I looked at the definition because it's interesting at cactus stock recei is feels like what we have here sometimes which I think is the like a sheet of Christie a caucus. C is a government by the least suitable or competent citizens of a state. That's it you guys so we haveLewis Hobba  47:56  a second day.Dan Ilic  47:59  We're gonna get married. Big thanks to rug Mike's the Bertha foundation of Jacob brown on the tepanyaki timeline. All of our new Patreon supporters this week Belinda noble from communicators to Claire max Nicholas LAN Michaud, who's running for the Senate Gaya sorry Arnold Maureen Chuck Helen, Lindy Cobb one Danny Peter Webster, Mary Anna Hendren, and some guy named George just signed up off the basis of the 11am press conference. He wants a special shout out the next 11am press conference a big thank you, George. Until next week, there's always something to be scared of good not. And what we'll do is I'll leave you with last week's 11am press conference so you can have a listen to it. Thanks a lot. Okay, thank you. Thanks, everyone. Okay, great. First of all, can I say how pleasing it is to hear so many people in this apartment block, yell at apartment number two, for playing Arctic Monkeys do I want to know on loop at 3am last night, it is so pleasing to hear everybody join in with a collective Shut up. That's really important. And please, we want to see more of that behaviour in this apartment block. So thank you for that. As of 8pm last night, we have seen three new episodes of Ted lasso, and two new episodes of what we do in the shadows. Those episodes had already existed in the community and we are just catching up to them now. So what we want to do is be able to see more of those episodes sooner, but we realised there is a limit to how many streaming services people can sign up for. But as a little treat, there will be more episodes of succession for those who persist longer than the two week trial that binge is offering currently. So that's something to look forward to. For everyone that's on being as is a health advice. We have been going to the toilet a lot more often. But please can I just want to remind people if you are doing a number two, please Please close the door after you to avoid airborne contaminants affecting the living space. This is a real issue. So please, please keep that door shut. Okay. For lunch today, it will be a spinach and tuna salad, as is the health advice. I just want to stress here, I just want to stress that it can be tempting to order a Portuguese chicken chilli chips and solo combo from the local shop and have it delivered. But he is he did that's fine in normal times, but it's not conducive to the long term sustainability of someone that's been in lockdown for over 10 weeks. Okay, you just can't keep that up. So tuna and spinach it is today. Now, can I say? On the weekend? We did witness about 12,000 people down at Bondi Beach just a few blocks from here. But the numbers haven't at 9000 those people were from the Daily Mail and Channel Nine taking photos of everyone else. So please, if you do have to go to bond I beg please wear a mask. So you aren't identified by Sydney confidential. Okay. All right now we'll take your questions. I've got some here from Twitter, climate patriot. Why have I never seen you in the same room as Jon Lovitz, and David Mitchell well, climate patriots, this is an offensive question. Okay. And I'm not going to answer it. Okay. Mary wiper. What time does Dan Murphy's open? look across most LGs it's some it's 9am to 8pm. But there are some LG A's that do it differently. So Guilford randwick, North Ryde, you're looking at 10am opening in mosman. It's a different closing time. 7pm. And they do that because you can't trust rich white people. You give them an inch, they take a mile and they build a hedge around that mile and no one's allowed to walk there. Okay. Gary Moore, why do we put an extra x in anti vaxxers? Look, Gary, that was a decision taken at national cabinet. The federal health minister wanted to put three x's in there triple x, as is he's wanting the premiers. We just thought one was enough. So we met halfway. That's one of those. There's two in anti vaxxers. Okay. Hopefully that answers your question. Guido to saldi. What is the philosophical significance of girdles theorems. Look, we I think we all know how good it was a brilliant thinker, but I wasn't a mainstream thinker. He had a lot of gaps. In his theory, it's safe to say his his theories have more gaps than a block of Swiss cheese. So that's that. Wilker last what's for lunch? Like we said in the briefing, spinach and tuna Wilker that is the current plan. Taking the best advice from health there. Okay. Kim Fitzgerald, why is there air? Look him?The air is here, Kim. Okay. We're committed to air. And can I just stress there are some in the press who say we should get rid of you, you know, get rid of the air get rid of the virus, but that's not going to happen. Okay. Areas necessary for life. And the current advice from health is that we must make err, mandatory. Okay. Thanks, Kim. Peter credit when asked do you scrunch or fold? Look, it is a tough question. And the advice currently is to do whatever you can do in front of you. There is research still being done. Currently, we're doing both we scrunching and folding. But if all you have is the ability to scratch them scrunch. If you're waiting for someone to teach you how to fold, we don't suggest that at all. Stretch now. You can learn to fold later. Okay, now is the time to scratch. Okay? You can't be fussy about scrunching or folding. Alright, Miss Wolfie wolf asks, Are we there yet? No. All right. Thanks very much, everyone. Thanks very much. ThankUnknown Speaker  53:49  you. A Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/👕 BUY OUR MERCH HERETrigger Warning:On this week's podcast we discuss in depth Scott Morrison's Are You Okay Day instagram video.Comedian and host of the Dead Dad's Society Podcast Mitch Garling talks us through what it's like to be mistaken for COVID19 Crisis Actor. Blair Palese also joins us to call bull shit on NewsCorp's promise to do better on climate action.We also ask why Greg Hunt couldn't open an email to save his life.And rip into Guy Sebastian for his vaccination non-denial denial where he claims “he's not trying to tell people what to put in their bodies”.Support the podcast by subscribing to the Patreon for as little as $5 a month.Access long form chats early.Ad free stream of the podcast.The ability to suggest questions to upcoming guests.Live stream links pushed to you on regular A Rational Fear show nights.Access to the super fun Discord server where you can pitch jokes / sketches and talk about #Auspol in troll free environment.CheersDan🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/👕 BUY OUR MERCH HEREDan Ilic  0:00  This podcast is supported in part by the birth of foundation. Good evening Lewis. Hello Daniel. How are you? I'm well I'm well and I just want to say a big sorry to Jane Kara who was gonna join us for this show. But she had a computer glitch and can no longer join us. And this is the second time that she's been ousted from irrational fear thanks to computer glitches. I don't know exactly what's going on there.Lewis Hobba  0:26  I don't know one doesn't want to hear.Dan Ilic  0:29  Someone can't handle the truth Bill Gates can't handle the truth. Hey, Louis, remember when I when I found out that we were on a list of best podcasts in Australia and we were 97 I found out I'm on another list this week. I'm in the in the watch list. I'm in the top 500 most influential tweeters on climate change. I'm between shell and the United States Department of Energy. Do you have any idea where that puts me?Lewis Hobba  0:59  Like between 304 137/37Dan Ilic  1:01  influential person on Twitter according to coordinate this list slightly above the IPCC and the climate council?Lewis Hobba  1:14  Yeah, having you in between those two? I don't know if you've seen that that new KFC burger where they like invert the fillets and the feeling is instead of putting the good things in the middle they put the two chicken fillets as bread and they put the feeling in the middle yes you you're in the middle you're the little bit of lettuce you're the healthy decision as to unhealthy chicken fillets killing the world on the other end.Dan Ilic  1:38  That's right and it's you know, on the put it another way, like on the beat you don't want in your chicken burger. Yeah. I thought that was really fun. Hey, I'm recording my end of irrational fear and gadigal land in the yard nation's sovereignty was never ceded. We need a treaty. Let's start the show.Unknown Speaker  1:57  A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks. Canberra. Fan COMM And section body or rational view recommends listening by image your audience.Dan Ilic  2:10  Tonight America asked whoever the last one out of Afghanistan is to please turn out the light and Scott Morrison came to Sydney to give the headline address at the safety for Jenny and the girls brunch summit. And Western Australia records Australia's biggest ever surplus. Even that can't justify $7 flat whites. It's the 10th of September 2021. And we're all out of Kmart plates. This is a rational, irrationalWelcome to irrational fear. I'm your host, former wag Dan Ilic It is great to have your company let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. I I was gonna introduce Jen Kara, but I won't because she's not here. So instead, I'll introduce Blair to laser laser laser is one of the most effective climate activists. She co founded 350 dot org. And she was also at a very special news called function 18 years ago, which we're going to talk about a little later on. Welcome Blair to irrational fear. Thank you. Great to be here. And he's been labelled as a COVID crisis actor. Does this mean he's eligible for best new talent at the Lucky's it's the host of the dead dead society podcast. It is comedian Mitch garling. Mitch, welcome to the podcast. Thank you. You have had quite a wait place. Take Lewis and Blair through it. What happened this week? Well, look,Unknown Speaker  3:36  it was pretty crazy. It was pretty crazy. First of all, I love the idea about best new talent for the lucky that is great, I will write that down.Dan Ilic  3:45  I've got some bad news and leggies has been cancelled the last two years, you know,Mitch Garling  3:50  you might have just tried again. Or if maybe if COVID hangs around for a bit longer. I'll go 2022 logos or 2023, something like that. But essentially guys, what happened was is there was a bunch of videos going around of patients in the hospital was filmed and released by New South Wales health that these people that had COVID checking in on them saying, you know, don't obviously don't get it. That's a that's a big one. But it's like just checking in on them really. And apparently one of the guys looked like me. So I started getting a lot of hype. So people people went into my acting star now profile and my name and my Facebook page and ran with it. And yeah, I copped a lot of abuse over the last 10 let's say 10 days now.Dan Ilic  4:40  So just just to clarify you're not in a guy called a sama who lives in Western SydneyUnknown Speaker  4:47  zero COVID zero sama you know it's not assignment not don't have COVID never had it have been COVID tested twice. I don't know if that if I need to prove that I definitely don't have it and not, not pretending to have it either is the biggest thing, I think.Dan Ilic  5:08  I mean, are there any benefits to being labelled as a COVID? crisis activity cost in more COVID crisis things like you know, the boom industry?Lewis Hobba  5:16  meaa letting you sign up?Unknown Speaker  5:20  I think we get a I think as like, it's a bit of a, what's the word as like a benefit friends of Gladys kind of thing? I think we get out October 16. Instead of Mitch, haveLewis Hobba  5:32  you? Have you found out any way to contact the person who you're supposed to have been? No, I haven't. I'veUnknown Speaker  5:38  literally was thinking about that today. Because now now that things have changed from your piece of shit to you guys should get together. That is actually such a good idea.Lewis Hobba  5:50  This is such a weird 2021Unknown Speaker  5:54  Yeah, and there's only a certain amount of people that will even appreciate the photo of human eye together. But I'm gonna hit that like that. That group thing. I love it.Dan Ilic  6:06  This is a Netflix sitcom. We're waiting to happen. This is great.Unknown Speaker  6:10  This is your 20 2021 version of that perfect strangers. We'd like Bronson Pinto. Do you remember that? Like the so now? I've absolutely I thought that was gonna hit. I thought thatDan Ilic  6:23  coming up later, we're gonna chat with bear plays about News Corp, and how they moving from a climate change denier to being a climate change action hero but whose benefit before then here's a message from this week's sponsor.Unknown Speaker  6:35  There's only one airline that can fly you to vacation in Hawaii while your home is ablaze. There's only one airline that can fly you to discover your family's history on the other side of the world, while families at home are being made history. And there's only one airline to help you secretly see your loved ones in another city when everyone else is only allowed to travel three miles from home. Fly the entitled skies were tone deaf headphones are complimentary. Oh good, are you very good. You're the best Prime Minister ever. The only airline where you don't have to put your seat up if you don't want to, in titled airlines direct flights now available from Canberra to a place where they filmed the White Lotus.Dan Ilic  7:24  This week's first fear guy Sebastian apologises for posting a pro vaccination vaccination campaign to his Instagram but refuses to apologise for angels brought me here. I would never tell people what to do when it comes to what they put in their body Sebastian said in an Instagram post. At the same time Sebastian's wife immediately deleted several posts of her own telling people that they should be putting nature's way vitae gummies in their bodies. I don't know I've done my own research here. And according to several sources on the internet nature's way vitae gummies are incredibly delicious. Sophie mangas has guy Sebastian, let us down here, Mitch garling. Look,Unknown Speaker  7:59  I'm not sure if he's let us down. as such. I think there seems to be a lot of questions about like everything here. We're talking about guy we're talking about jaws a lot of this. These two seem to be coming up. But the problem that I have is that once again, no one is giving any respect to nosy no one has bought at any point. No one has even asked how he's doing what he thinks. Does he take vitamins? Yeah, we don't know.Lewis Hobba  8:29  Yeah, yeah. He's sitting there going. What about me? I was the first thing I did, Mitch, at the moment I saw the guy's Russian story. The first thing I did was go straight to nauset Instagram just to see if he'd made any comment. He's a Instagram is like, genuine pure country dat energy. It's just like he is he is my new truck. He is a roast lamb. He is the shape that I was writing for the last three years before I turned it into this first lambDan Ilic  8:59  guys video did have a strong kind of hostage feel about it. Like he really felt like he was being held hostage by a whole bunch of his his fans for promoting vaccines. Yeah, I mean, he said in he said in this video, and I think it's interesting. There are personal circumstances that everybody has to consider when it takes the vaccine. So what are these personal circumstances it is so hard to kind of even fathom what those personal circumstances are. Things like belief in science big stuff. Actually, I feel like that's it because he's a large part of his audience are really hugely Christian and there's like all these rumours about about stem cells and foetuses being used in these vaccines. And that's the personal circumstances just say it decide guy put it out there. Exactly. Let us know how crazy youBlair Palese  9:51  are. If you're gonna, you know circle around trying to not nail it down one way or the other. You know, the apology after for the apology. The apology seems largely confused at the end of it.Lewis Hobba  10:04  It's actually so amazing because he between this and the apology had to make for being like Scott Morrison's, sort of show pony for the announcement of the funding for performing artists. It's now at a point where most Australians are more familiar with these public apologies than his songs.Dan Ilic  10:22  Yeah, I really liked I really liked his 920 19 apology. Yeah, he's 2022 apology tour is pretty good.Lewis Hobba  10:29  When there's the award for Best compilation of public apologies. He's absolutely going to ramp that in.Dan Ilic  10:36  I'm really enjoying what man with the dominant klore on YouTube has said, what happened to not getting advice from some guy on the internet?Unknown Speaker  10:45  There's that whole thing going around that he's patient zero anyway, because of the the Instagram photos of him in Wuhan in late 2019.Dan Ilic  10:55  Oh my God, is this is this true?Unknown Speaker  10:58  Yeah. So it's kind of a it's kind of interesting. Like, I mean, now the now the anti Vax stance kind of makes sense. It's like you don't want to ruin your own work. Yeah, you're not wrong about that video.Lewis Hobba  11:12  That photo that this is talking about? Like it's obviously it's incredible. But that the it's so good the captions that he puts on it, uh, so perfect. It's him in we're in Busan. And the caption is, he's like, so great to be here. Beautiful word hon. I showed it ate some strange things. Hashtag big things coming. I did it. Well is incredible. That is incredible. He is patient zero.Unknown Speaker  11:40  Wow. irrational fear is horrible. But we also need to put things into perspective. There are 8 million citizens who don't have a choice in how they spend their free time. That is no way to leave. Your fear is irrational.Dan Ilic  11:53  Now remember when Scott Morrison and Greg Hahn said that Australia was at the front of the queue when it came to ordering the Pfizer vaccine. Well, linked emails have shown that the Pfizer Pfizer reached out to the government in June last year saying hey, Australia, we've we've got some jabs. Do you want any and then Greg hunt and Scott Morrison rushed to do a deal. Five months later, five months later, in which time the UK in the US got in front of us five months. Now admittedly, it's a bit of a process because Pfizer wanted to be paid in US dollars. So Treasury had to work out just how many commuter car parks I would have to convert to buy the vaccines. See mongers from the front of the queue to the back of the queue. I'm beginning to think that our leaders are not very good at their jobs.Lewis Hobba  12:41  What do you think? Well, Dad, I mean, the Liberal Party over the last what 20 years has been very adamant about not wanting cue jumpers in this country. And I do think that you got to give it to them. I really have put their money where their mouth isDan Ilic  12:54  they leading by example. Yeah,Unknown Speaker  12:57  you can't help but wonder if any normal person had failed that badly at their job. And yet they're still in there. You know, not just one The Little Miss major mistake. 1000 people dead after the next but still in there. No accountability.Dan Ilic  13:13  You can't we can't get rid of them. We can't get rid of them for another few months. Yeah,Unknown Speaker  13:17  the health minister or the health department just comes across as a almost as a bit of a player or they come across as a bit of a fuck boy if I'm being honest. Like if you look at it, it's like, you know, they they got Pfizer interested, they hooked them in. Then they left them on red.Dan Ilic  13:34  Now negging now negging Pfizer.Unknown Speaker  13:38  And then five months later, they come back when there's no better options, they come back and they're like, where are you at? Like, come on. Now.Dan Ilic  13:45  Come on. Just a little prick. Just little prick. Come on. Yeah.Unknown Speaker  13:50  You have a question mark message at 3am in the morning. He's Pfizer up like that.Lewis Hobba  13:55  Their defence is kind of like everyone's a hindsight here or we could all do it and there is like 5% of that that is true. Like I do remember when they were talking about the vaccines and everyone was talking about like one one company is going to make billions of dollars here. And every like non health experts non government experts were everyone was like man, if I've got 100 bucks I'm chucking it in like one medical company here just to say just so no one quite knew who was gonna win. So there is a degree of that like shore in hindsight we didn't know but also the idea of just like not showing up to a meeting with the one of the world's biggest companies when you knew that a vaccine was on the way that 95% of it is so dumbDan Ilic  14:37  pandemic when when that's the that's the bloody job.Unknown Speaker  14:41  The only way and you know when you think this would be a good thing, why not throw us some effort at all three and then see which one sticks on the wall?Lewis Hobba  14:51  That's actually what they should have done play. It's just gotten a few professional gamblers. We're really did that in Australia. Yeah. Pfizer is in lane one. madona is in lane two. Yeah, just got Bruce McAvennie to call the whole thing would have been gripping.Dan Ilic  15:06  Yeah rather set up the National COVID Coordination Committee, which basically started a gas pipeline. They should have just got sportsmen to give them advice. Yeah, looks like guy, you know, I know we're paying them $2.50 AstraZeneca we're paying $1.80 to come through madona coming through and $4 adUnknown Speaker  15:27  considering some of the advice that you can find online. Getting advice about vaccines from an X 40 player is probably Alright, like that's better than getting Tommy's wife or something, which seems to be the thing that happened at the moment.Lewis Hobba  15:42  The response from Scott Morrison is like, there's no greater sign that someone has fucked up and hearing a politician say, we're not looking at the past. We're looking at the future. Like you sent a Google Alert for that sentence. Every time someone has said it. Just likeDan Ilic  15:59  that person should be fired. Yes,Lewis Hobba  16:01  it should be fired. That is a fireable offence that sentenceUnknown Speaker  16:05  rational fear that's a matter for the Queensland Government. I mean, that's a matter for the premier. That's a matter that all rise with other premiers and Chief Ministers. That's really a question to the brilliant, that's a matter of I'm happy to take up with the other premiers and Chief Ministers a rational theory.Dan Ilic  16:19  Now we're going to play Hang on a sec. I'll play a video if you want to chime in simply say, hang on a sec, and I'll stop the tape. This week's Hang on a sec comes from the Prime Minister's Instagram, where he's wishing us all I guess a you okay Day. Happy? Are you okay?Unknown Speaker  16:33  Are you okay? Are you okay? Day is that reminder, not just for today, but for every day for us to check, you know each other. We all have those moments, hang on a second. He'sDan Ilic  16:45  like really leaning over us in this point of view. Like physically, he is dominating this screen, he is looking down on us like we're a little child asking for some more soup. And in a second, he's going to lock us in a room and send us to our room that's very imposing here.Unknown Speaker  17:00  We already started to think the best of him. And now he looks like some sort of like, sleep demon or something just over the top of me.Dan Ilic  17:07  I feel like this angle, I feel like I've just been punched by Scott Morrison. And now he's asking me if I'm okay. Like,Lewis Hobba  17:15  if you're listening on the podcast, imagine that someone has put a phone on the on a table at probably bellybutton height. And then as has leaned over ominously towards the camera, kind of like a scene from the BFG. And like, This man is about to blow a trumpet of evil dreams into your ear and you're never gonna wake up happy again.Unknown Speaker  17:37  Dude like that he got three seconds in before it looked like he definitely checked a script of some sort. Yeah. If you know it's an IU ik de video. Surely, when you say it, okay, for the second time, you're going to be like, I'll remember that. I think I'm going to remember what these sentences about. Like, it's the first Are you okay? You're like, Oh, yeah, he kind of the find that in almost. But it was the second one where I was like, he wrote a check to that just he checked a script. For sure.Lewis Hobba  18:08  If he was doing this for ANZAC Day, and on the second day, he'd gone like bland black day, he would have done it.Unknown Speaker  18:16  We all have times when we really need someone to ask us that question. Give us that invitation to be able to share how we're feeling. So that can help us get through. So ask today, ask every day, check on your mates, your family, your friends, those you work with. Or sometimes it's just seeing someone who might be in a bit of a stressUnknown Speaker  18:34  and you've got Hang on a second. A bit of stress. Let's talk to Brittany Higgins about stress and how she's feeling this week. I'm sure we'll get to that shortly.Lewis Hobba  18:47  Yeah, also just going like, you know what it's like when you your family are in a bit of distress. But you separate it from borders. So you just you hire a jet at the taxpayers expense. You pop over and you say your family and you ask them Are you okay? And you should do that every day. I mean, become Prime Minister because it's very easy.Unknown Speaker  19:08  You pick that up and just ask them Are you okay? too? We are as a country it's what I like about our UK day it's something very AustralianDan Ilic  19:17  no other no other no other people from any other country have ever checked on that the welfare yeah the thing that will Anderson always goes on about mate ship being uniquely Australian the whole principle Oh, there aren't any other countries in the world that have friends that doesn't exist is so uniquely Australian majorLewis Hobba  19:37  Spanish a famously solitary people.Dan Ilic  19:41  Also like he likes this about you okay? Because it's also something the government doesn't have to pay for.Unknown Speaker  19:49  It's also very like, in terms of Australia, like, I know, it's a very serious thing and it's a great thing that it exists but half the people that I know that ever say are you okay like It is it's it's ironic like it's never it's never genuine. So I don't know it's hard to it's hard to to believe this guy when I know he has a history of being not genuine.Unknown Speaker  20:11  He pretty much Edison it's hard to believe this guy I could have I could have just stopped there Blair and I mean at least to be fair,Dan Ilic  20:23  well, you have to remember the interim is Scott Morrison is an ironic Prime Minister, like everything he's done is basically I run everything, everything from the very start of putting his hand around Malcolm Turnbull before he rolled him to say, Oh, this is my leader. I'm ambitious for him.Lewis Hobba  20:41  If Scott Morrison today said, Malcolm Turnbull attacks, thank you okay. That would be the single funniest thing he could ever have.Dan Ilic  20:55  Fun, funny and sad at the same time.Lewis Hobba  21:00  We shouldn't be a diaper bullying but you would have to give a pass to that.Dan Ilic  21:03  I get away with it too. I don't have that number in my phone. But if I did, I'd call him right now to get him on the podcast to find out if Scott Morrison has sent him an IOU Okay, text.Unknown Speaker  21:13  I okay, day is the day for Scotty to write some roles that like he could. He could reach out to out to Malcolm or he can wait what was that the guy that he the guy that he stood on his lawn when the guy had just received again? Standing on his lawn and he ruins that guy's lawn? Maybe? Maybe not you like high day text? There might be nice.Unknown Speaker  21:33  Having a woman the woman with a goat on the chain dad after the bushfires, we forced him to shake hands with him. Right How are you coping right now? Have you got a house yet? You know, things like that?Dan Ilic  21:46  Yeah. Oh, just check in on anyone who's on narrow or Christmas Island.Lewis Hobba  21:50  Dan, are you okay? Day is not classically now ruin. It is. It's just it doesn't cross. It doesn't cross the waters like that. Anyway, okay.Unknown Speaker  22:01  I hope so. If not, there are people there who can help you. But it's not me.Lewis Hobba  22:08  When he asked, Are you okay, and tried and tried all with all of his mind to sound like a human being. It made me feel like the uncanny valley in animation where things are like, to to human to be fake and to fake to be human. It was real. That was the uncanny valley of questionsUnknown Speaker  22:26  when he said I hope so. It's like, are you okay? I hope so. And it's like, oh, that's Scotty that's so believable. It is it's the was that Mars Attacks. It's the lady with the the the alien the dresses up as the lady in Mars Attacks and tries to fit in and everyone's like, Oh, I think something's off here. That's what is happening right now. I'm sorry that my references a sell off tonight.Dan Ilic  22:51  Taxes one of my favourite films of 1998 it was really, really good, really good,Unknown Speaker  22:55  you matter a great deal. And so it's important that we know if you're okay.Dan Ilic  23:01  That's a bit sinister there. It's important to know if you're okay, that feels like that's coming from the AFP more than anyone else.Lewis Hobba  23:08  We've read your emails, we know you're not okay. And we're sending the AFP around to check on you.Unknown Speaker  23:13  You're listening to a rational fear.Unknown Speaker  23:17  Put back in place, especially with reopening and people going back to pumps and stuff, we will be looking at what contact tracing looks like in the New World Order.Dan Ilic  23:29  After years of denying that climate change exists, and constantly backing governments whose sole focus is to extract as much coal as possible out of the ground. The baddies in Australian media, aka News Corp. Going to do an about face at least for a couple of weeks and support net zero by 2050 targets up until about cop 26. And reportedly these editorials are going to be led by friend of the show Joe Hildebrand to find out whether these bullshit or not it's a real privilege to have Blair police here is the managing editor of climate and capital media and is one of the most effective climate campaigners in Australia. And 18 years ago Blair Yeah, you were at an event that was meant to change the game on climate for News Corp forever.Unknown Speaker  24:18  Again, 18 years ago, sitting in a in a room with a lot of journalists and others activists, all the activists were invited, of course, pretty cheap lay of the land there not much on offer in terms of cost centre, good coffee, but a big announcement about this thing called one degree. And one degree was all about how to keep the planet at one degree of warming or less and all the things that newscorp was was going to commit to to reduce its emissions. And I remember sitting around next to people and everybody kind of looked at each other saying, Is this a good thing? This is possibly a good thing. These people are evil. Is this a good thing? Come to find out 18 years on Guess what? another announcement this time it's net zero. That's the catchphrase of this century and 2015 or less, by the time, you know, 2050 rolls around, you could pretty much do absolutely excuse the French jack shit, and it would all still sound relevant to net zero by 2050. So, you know, my theory is that News Corp is given lessons to Scotty from announcements about how to use announcements just as a way to keep people slightly off kilter and confused why you continue to trash the planet with more information about climate denial.Dan Ilic  25:27  So why are we hearing about it? Now? Why is it being publicised in databases,Unknown Speaker  25:32  right, this thing called cup 26, coming up in November meeting, there's one country in the West, that is the ultimate bad guy. And guess what, it's Australia. So I think there's just a little bit of an attempt there to try and paint themselves green. Right in maybe, you know, share drinks on opening day Rupert and Co. With the whole the big kind of big names that are there on the first day, there'll be kings, they'll be queens, there'll be president still be you name it, there'll be there. Rupert probably just wants an invite.Dan Ilic  26:04  Is that is that is that as cynical as it gets? Like Rupert, actually, you know, wants to go to Glasgow, in November,Unknown Speaker  26:10  probably, you know, the guy hates to miss a big event. buys him space to keep doing exactly what he's doing. Because says one thing does another. He's been doing it for 20 years on climate. So what would change about that?Dan Ilic  26:25  Do you think we'll say any kind of movement from news Colbert? Or in in this space as a good actor at all? Absolutely not. Well,Lewis Hobba  26:34  he said, Is there any chat like I you The thing about nice copies, like, you know, obviously they they run their own race, and then you'd say it with something like the like the like the Kevin Rudd election, they will come a point where they realise that they can't keep backing a losing horse to publicly and then right at the last minute, just to like, try to keep people on board. They'll make the switch, and they'll be like, Ah, you know what, Kevin Ryan is actually a really good guy. And then six months later, we'll stopUnknown Speaker  27:01  to think that rupert murdoch would do that before Scott Morrison, but it's possible.Lewis Hobba  27:06  Yeah, but I mean, like, is it? Is there a point where like, 80% of Australians want action on climate change? They're like, there is just a point now where like, the only people who don't want to are currently on staff at Sky News. Well, and the last standing fossil fuel company, yeah. And is there a chance that like, they just realising that they're starting to look so stupid now? Is there any chance of that at all? No. I mean, I, I kind of knew the answer, but I think it bothered me and maybe, maybe it does, I hope for a better worldUnknown Speaker  27:35  worth noting in the New York Times article that there is a staff member who's quoted about it, who will not be named because fearing for his life, you have to kind of look at it that way. Right? So if on staff, they've analysis, this big thing, and the staff at large are not allowed to say whether they think Well, yeah, it could be good, but might not you know, you could get shot for less at News Corp. So you know, it's not looking good.Dan Ilic  28:00  I want you to know, Blair, that is absolute lies because Joe Hildebrand himself has replied to a text when I said when you can come and talk about the climate thing come on irrational fear. Again, he said, Love to love to we're gonna get Joe to random to talk about what he's called. The three articles and East Coast get a right.Lewis Hobba  28:21  He didn't say whether it'd be for or against.Unknown Speaker  28:27  Other other lines in the New York Times, there's a phrase that said, we're going to change and explore the depths of this very complex issue. Two years ago, the language was, its fraudulent in its a damaging cult, the climate movement, which is it it's hard to know Well, that'sDan Ilic  28:48  a lie because nothing in the Daily Telegraph explores in a thing in any depth. Demo just want to extend a Sydney confidential and say Asha Gunzburg with a shirt off. That's all I want. Yeah. Quite frankly, Who wouldn't?Lewis Hobba  29:01  I would I bet they've done like a pretty in depth expose I on the Nadia Bartell plate saga. I've been checking. I reckon I would have done a full double page spread every day.Dan Ilic  29:14  We're seeing exponential rise in carbon and an exponential rise in the sales of Kmart plates.Lewis Hobba  29:22  investigating the climate change effects of cocaine. Yeah,Dan Ilic  29:25  I'm more interested in cocaine capture and storage solutions.Unknown Speaker  29:31  I'm just hoping that from all of this, perhaps I could get some work as like a climate actor. I don't know if I don't know what the roles are. Like I could, I could play like a slightly deeper bit of water or something. Well, Mitch,Dan Ilic  29:48  unfortunately for you News Corp. Who are the climate activists actors who pretend climate change isn't isn't isn't happening is changing their tag. So normally, you could just go walk into Sky News and say oh, Climate changeLewis Hobba  30:00  is rubbish. Maybe you should just do a self tape, a self tape audition for a variety of different crisis actor roles. Hello, my name is Mitch galling. I'm here from Star now. My next role will be school shooter. Like Hello, my name is Jolene I'm five foot 10 and now I'm going to do victim of climate change and you know screaming rain as the fire bands just do it just set yourself up for the whole gamut of options look andUnknown Speaker  30:29  that will help with range like that will show a lot of range like there's not I don't know how many people in Australia are able to do that kind of contrast of like, I'm I'm water I'm also fine. Like there's different. The great thing about the climate change climate crisis actor is that right now we're all acting method.Lewis Hobba  30:49  Really good.Dan Ilic  30:50  We are Stanislavski eating this shit.Lewis Hobba  30:52  Yeah. Steppenwolf for the climate change play.Dan Ilic  30:55  Hey, Louis. And you remember a few months back June when we were performing in Newcastle we imagine what do we like if Alan Jones all of a sudden became a climate action hero and actually started writing articles for endorsing climate action. I'm not saying that irrational fear forced this change from an idea. idea? quite clearly.Lewis Hobba  31:23  I can't I really hope to have to see that it's gonna be as natural as Scott Morrison's Are you okay? I think we can all agree that climate pollution is an acute problem. Watching Alan Jones do fit, like talk about getting rid of emissions down. It would be like watching Johnny Depp in the pistoletto video.Dan Ilic  31:48  Yes, ah, emissions need to come down. Because, Oh, God, it'd be very hard for him to do very difficult. Blair, you know, you have been doing this for so long. And you have got a good standard show. Right. Thank you. Thank you for all of the work that you've done. For so long. And if you would, in your heart of hearts be generous to News Corp for just one second. That's impossible. You know, what if? What if where they are going to be a good actor? What would it look like to you? Like, what would you like to see them do if if they to make good on this idea that that they've put forwardUnknown Speaker  32:36  is there is only three things that banner headline across every paper, we were wrong. Movement Murdoch, at the cup opening ceremony, I was wrong. And I sacrificed myself to all the planet or do whatever you must with me. At this point I've done I have no single human has done more damage than I have. So I offer myself up. And that's what I want. I want his hand on the platter.Dan Ilic  33:11  onstage at Glasgow say, Hello, I'm drivemode I was wrong. Here's this Tesla charge I'm gonna put it in my chest and let Laughlin run the countryUnknown Speaker  33:22  got really bad for a second that went from a went from like, I want a print on the front of the newspaper to like, just like a public murder like but but I'm so i'm i'm not saying I'm notDan Ilic  33:41  different a different a different stration martyrdom may with river murder. Climate matter. That's what we like to say. That is it for irrational fear. big thank you to our guests. Bear Blair please Mitch giling. Lewis, how about what would you like to plug folks? mityana plug something?Unknown Speaker  33:58  Oh, yeah, thanks for having me on guys. Much appreciated. I'll be not pretending to be a COVID actor for the foreseeable future. And I've got a podcast called dead dad society started. It's like a bit of a therapy group in the form of a podcast, I started it when my dad died. So I just have people on that have lost parents or lost, you know, sisters, brothers, or even just, you know, crazy, crazy things happening in their lives that maybe you might need a bit of therapy. I am not trying to be a therapist in any way. It was more than I just wanted to. I think I was wanted to get my own stuff out and was good to hate people.Dan Ilic  34:35  And if you pay on Patreon, that's a whole cheat. That's much cheaper than a therapist. Yeah, it's quite nice, actually the other way round. Out giving Yeah, really. Thank you Mitch. Blair, what would you like to play?Unknown Speaker  34:50  Well, climate and capital media, keep an eye it's free to sign up and read what we got going and it tracks the kind of trends on climate and the opportunities. So if you're looking at what What you can do how you can invest and what you need to know about the issue it's all there and with cop coming up now's the time.Dan Ilic  35:07  Great Louis Do you want to plug anything?Lewis Hobba  35:10  No dad just get out there stream guys Sebastian he's had a rough way.Dan Ilic  35:16  Get some nights his way via gummies into yourLewis Hobba  35:19  absolute nature's way. The only way really with theDan Ilic  35:26  tagline A big thanks to the bursar foundation of Jacob round on the tepanyaki timeline I feel for him he's got to edit this together. Mica from rode mics and a big thank you to Patreon supporters another bumper week of Patreon supporters joining up to enjoy the show. Grandmaster to sweet is back sky King has joined up Darren Nash Curtis Jackson, Stephen Joseph Louise mechel Vogue is joined up a big media consultant who I've worked with in the past comedy director Casey Anning has shot signed. 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