

[Un]Churned – The No. 1 Podcast for Customer Retention
Gainsight
If you're experimenting with automation, questioning the traditional post-sales model, or trying to drive more value with less headcount, you're in the right place. AI won’t fix churn, but these conversations might.
Retention is the new growth & AI is rewriting the rules. Hosted by Josh Schachter, SVP of Atlas at Gainsight, [Un]Churned—the No. 1 podcast for retention and Customer Success leaders—features real talk with the sharpest minds in the Customer Success space. We dig into how teams are scaling smarter, activating AI agents, and redesigning the customer journey for lasting impact.
Retention is the new growth & AI is rewriting the rules. Hosted by Josh Schachter, SVP of Atlas at Gainsight, [Un]Churned—the No. 1 podcast for retention and Customer Success leaders—features real talk with the sharpest minds in the Customer Success space. We dig into how teams are scaling smarter, activating AI agents, and redesigning the customer journey for lasting impact.
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Aug 14, 2024 • 46min
Why Do We Question the Value of Customer Success? ft. Brett Queener (Bonfire Ventures)
#updateai #customersuccess #saas #business
Brett Queener, Managing Director at Bonfire Ventures joins Kristi Faltorusso & Josh Schachter to shed light on the challenges faced by startups, the significance of customer success, and the transformative impact of AI in the industry. Brett shares insights from his extensive experience being on 15 boards, highlighting the critical role of board meetings and the need for a dedicated customer person in the early stages of a company.
As the discussion unfolds, Brett emphasizes the significance of understanding product fit, customer needs, and the economic sustainability of customer success resources. From the impact of AI on customer success roles to the future of SaaS, tune into uncover the true worth of CS.
Timestamps
0:00 - Preview & Intro
4:50 - The first CS hire
7:25 - The product is a vision
10:25 - The founders don't know
13:15 - CSMs & leaders - LISTEN!!!
17:46 - Should CSMs be responsible for upsells, cross-sells & renewals?
26:06 - We shouldn't give revenue to CS
29:20 - AI & SaaS helps you do your job
37:37 - The need for onboarding
41:16 - Solve the pains of the customer
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Brett Queener: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brettqueener/
👉 Connect with hosts
Jon Johnson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonwilliamjohnson/
Kristi Faltorusso: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristiserrano/
Josh Schachter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/
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Unchurned is presented by UpdateAI
About UpdateAI
At UpdateAI our mission is to empower CS teams to build great customer relationships. We work with early & growth-stage B2B SaaS companies to help them scale CS outcomes. Everything we do is devoted to removing the overwhelm of back-to-back customer meetings so that CSMs can focus on the bigger picture: building relationships.

Jul 31, 2024 • 45min
How to Maximize ROI with Outcome-Based Scoring ft. Brent Grimes (Reef.ai)
#updateai #customersuccess #saas #business
Brent Grimes, Founder and CEO at Reef.ai joins the hosts Kristi Faltorusso, Jon Johnson & Josh Schachter. Brent shares insights on outcome-based scoring for customer health and the power of leveraging data for predictive modeling in customer success. They also discussed the potential future convergence of structured and unstructured data and the impact of AI agents on future work.
Timestamps
0:00 - Preview, BS & Intros
7:09 - Reef's origin story
13:50 - Importance of outcome-based scoring
20:35 - Smart targeting & smart recommendations
26:26 - CSMs need to do high-value work
30:30 - ReefAI versus Gainsight
34:47 - Data privacy & security
37:07 - Convergence of structured and unstructured data
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Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3KD3Ehl
👉 Connect with the guest
Brent Grimes: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brentgrimes/
👉 Connect with hosts
Jon Johnson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonwilliamjohnson/
Kristi Faltorusso: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristiserrano/
Josh Schachter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/
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Unchurned is presented by UpdateAI
About UpdateAI
At UpdateAI our mission is to empower CS teams to build great customer relationships. We work with early & growth-stage B2B SaaS companies to help them scale CS outcomes. Everything we do is devoted to removing the overwhelm of back-to-back customer meetings so that CSMs can focus on the bigger picture: building relationships.

Jul 24, 2024 • 55min
Balancing efficiency and human touch in customer interactions ft. Julio Franco (Zappi)
#updateai #customersuccess #saas #business
Hosts Kristi Faltorusso, Jon Johnson and Josh Schachter are joined by Julio Franco, Chief Customer Officer of Zappi. They discuss the hurdles of educating customers on best customer success practices, the struggle to invest in customer education and consulting services, and the need for systematizing and reboarding customers. Join us as we uncover the complexities of balancing efficiency and maintaining a human touch in customer interactions while driving operational efficiency and growth in customer success.
Timestamps
0:00 - Preview, BS & Intros
8:00 - Simplified market research for quick, inexpensive feedback
11:55 - Improving efficiency & re-onboarding customers
17:45 - Working with customers that "Get It" & those that don't get it
28:05 - CSMs need to do better with what they have
31:54 - The challenge of maintaining a human touch while being efficient
37:42 - Incentivising overstretched CSMs
41:50 - Digital CS is a program, not a segment
45:20 - Reboarding & educating long-time customers
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Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3KD3Ehl
👉 Connect with the guest
Julio Franco: https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliocfranco/
👉 Connect with hosts
Jon Johnson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonwilliamjohnson/
Kristi Faltorusso: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristiserrano/
Josh Schachter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/
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_____________________________________
Unchurned is presented by UpdateAI
About UpdateAI
At UpdateAI our mission is to empower CS teams to build great customer relationships. We work with early & growth-stage B2B SaaS companies to help them scale CS outcomes. Everything we do is devoted to removing the overwhelm of back-to-back customer meetings so that CSMs can focus on the bigger picture: building relationships.

Jul 10, 2024 • 42min
Dating, CS & Banter ft. Ben Winn (FirstMark)
#updateai #customersuccess #saas #business
Ben Winn, Director of Community at FirstMark, joins Kristi Faltorusso & Josh Schachter to explore the dynamic landscape of venture capital, AI in customer success, and the challenges faced by early-stage companies. They also banter about their grades, dating apps, and much more.
Timestamps
0:00 - Preview, BS & Intros
- Biggest challenges faced by companies
12:36 - Ben's contribution to CS
22:30 - Navigating a career shift
23:45 - Josh & Kristi discuss grades
26:05 - What's up with CS & SaaS?
28:00 - Dating stories & apps
36:15 - The AI buzz in CS
40:56 - Closing
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Youtube: https://youtu.be/JprAz-o-dWk
Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3dfWXmD
Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3KD3Ehl
👉 Connect with the guest
Ben Winn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benwinn/
👉 Connect with hosts
Jon Johnson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonwilliamjohnson/
Kristi Faltorusso: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristiserrano/
Josh Schachter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/
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Unchurned is presented by UpdateAI
About UpdateAI
At UpdateAI our mission is to empower CS teams to build great customer relationships. We work with early & growth-stage B2B SaaS companies to help them scale CS outcomes. Everything we do is devoted to removing the overwhelm of back-to-back customer meetings so that CSMs can focus on the bigger picture: building relationships.

Jul 3, 2024 • 51min
Demystifying Customer Needs ft. Alex Turkovic (The Digital Customer Success Podcast)
Alex Turkovic joins Jon Johnson, and Kristi Faltorusso to delve into the intricacies of customer success management (CSM), the disconnect between customer experience strategies and practical implementation, the role of emotional intelligence in business decisions, tackling data quality and management & much more.
Timestamps
0:00 - Preview, BS & Intros
4:57 - Practically implementing concepts and frameworks
8:50 - Put the customer first
10:00 - We need emotional intelligence in CS
13:03 - Tracking actions vs real outcomes
16:18 - Tracking metrics that matter
19:27 - Trust, Journey Map, & Clean Data
31:40 - The correlation of CS, Product & Marketing
34:10 - Central CSM
35:35 - Consolidation and management of SaaS applications
39:10 - Validating project success
46:00 - Closing
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Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3KD3Ehl
👉 Connect with the guest
Alex Turkovic: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexturkovic/
👉 Connect with hosts
Jon Johnson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonwilliamjohnson/
Kristi Faltorusso: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristiserrano/
Josh Schachter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/

Jun 26, 2024 • 44min
Is Prioritizing CSM Health the Key to Customer Happiness? ft. Paulina Staszuk
#updateai #customersuccess #saas #business
Customer success leader, Paulina Staszuk joins hosts Jon Johnson and Josh Schachter to delve into the critical importance of a structured onboarding process for new employees and its impact on successful customer relationships. They also share humorous banter and insights about creating a positive employee experience, the value of customer success in the tech industry, and the significance of taking a break to recalibrate.
Timestamp:
0:00 - Preview, Intros & BS
5:50 - Reflect, Recalibrate & Refuel
13:00 - Perfection isn't a reality
17:08 - People. Process. Product
18:20 - Employee onboarding is broken
23:03 - Happy CSMs Happy Customers
25:00 - What should employee onboarding look like?
30:20 - Tools for onboarding employees
39:20 - BS & Closing
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Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3KD3Ehl
👉 Connect with the guest
Paulina Staszuk: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulinastaszuk
👉 Connect with hosts
Jon Johnson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonwilliamjohnson/
Kristi Faltorusso: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristiserrano/
Josh Schachter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/
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Keywords:
new employees, customer success, CS motion, onboarding, structured onboarding, customer relationships, employee experience, Slack, Notion, Loom, GIF creators, Clockwise app, work relationship, support tickets, remote work, AI-based support, NPS scores, customer experience
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Unchurned is presented by UpdateAI
About UpdateAI
At UpdateAI our mission is to empower CS teams to build great customer relationships. We work with early & growth-stage B2B SaaS companies to help them scale CS outcomes. Everything we do is devoted to removing the overwhelm of back-to-back customer meetings so that CSMs can focus on the bigger picture: building relationships.

Jun 19, 2024 • 51min
Can Revenue-Driven Practices Lead to Customer-Centric Growth? Ft. Aaron Thompson (SuccessHACKER)
#updateai #customersuccess #saas #business
Customer success roles fall short of true value creation.
The industry has inadvertently boxed itself into creating safe, activity-based roles rather than ones driven by tangible outcomes and accountability.
It's time to rethink and reinvent the essence of customer success.
Aaron Thompson, CRO, SuccessHACKER, joins our hosts, Josh Schachter, Kristi Faltorusso & Jon Johnson to discuss the need for a crucial shift in the customer success model from being a cost center to a revenue driver. Aaron brings a wealth of experience and a fresh perspective, discussing the impact of tracking post-sale activities, aligning team incentives, and the challenges of transitioning from a "sales-led" to a "revenue-led" organization and the essential role of renewals, expansions, and customer retention in driving revenue growth.
Timestamps
0:00 - Preview, BS & Intro
6:12 - Revenue Acquisition Cost
14:39 - Tracking & calculating costs
18:00 - Revenue is cheap to lose, expensive to maintain
26:55 - Focus on being revenue-led
30:04 - Rewiring to become customer-centric
35:50 - The starting point to being customer-centric as an individual contributor
43:05 - CSMs need to have a revenue-focused mindset
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👉 Connect with the guest
Aaron Thompson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/athomps/
👉 Connect with hosts
Jon Johnson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonwilliamjohnson/
Kristi Faltorusso: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristiserrano/
Josh Schachter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/
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Keywords:
Customer success, Revenue-led growth, Success criteria, Renewals, Customer retention, Revenue growth, customer centricity, Revenue acquisition cost, Cross-sell, Upsell, Customer-centric approaches, Recurring revenue approaches, Customer success managers, Revenue-based accountability, Customer-driven revenue, Predictable renewals, Additional revenue opportunities, Success planning, Onboarding process, Client success tools, Business growth strategy, Customer expectations
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Unchurned is presented by UpdateAI
About UpdateAI
At UpdateAI our mission is to empower CS teams to build great customer relationships. We work with early & growth-stage B2B SaaS companies to help them scale CS outcomes. Everything we do is devoted to removing the overwhelm of back-to-back customer meetings so that CSMs can focus on the bigger picture: building relationships.

Jun 12, 2024 • 48min
Can AI Insights Transform Tech Touch Customer Success? ft. Sam Loveland (Salesloft)
#updateai #customersuccess #saas #business
Sam Loveland, Chief Customer Officer at SalesLoft, joins Jon Johnson, User Testing and Michael Forney, VP of CS at Responsive to delve into the intersection of AI and customer success. From leveraging generative AI to the challenges of managing multiple AI tools, the conversation unravels key insights and practical strategies for achieving customer success metrics.
Timestamp
0:00 - Preview & Intro
7:50 - Human touch in the AI world
13:10 - Using AI for CS insights
22:30 - Challenges for integrating tools & systems
25:53 - How does leadership evaluate CSMs
29:47 - Automating customer onboarding
33:40 - Enhancing productivity & generating value using AI
39:44 - Closing
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👉 Connect with the guest
Michael Forney: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-forney/
Sam Loveland: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-loveland-b19775/
👉 Connect with hosts
Jon Johnson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonwilliamjohnson/
Kristi Faltorusso: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristiserrano/
Josh Schachter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/
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______________________
Unchurned is presented by UpdateAI
About UpdateAI
At UpdateAI our mission is to empower CS teams to build great customer relationships. We work with early & growth-stage B2B SaaS companies to help them scale CS outcomes. Everything we do is devoted to removing the overwhelm of back-to-back customer meetings so that CSMs can focus on the bigger picture: building relationships.

Jun 5, 2024 • 47min
Bosses Don’t Understand the Role of CSMs Ft. Alok Shukla (FunnelStory)
#updateai #customersuccess #saas #business
Alok Sharma, CEO of Funnel Story AI, joins Josh Schachter, Founder & CEO of UpdateAI, and Jon Johnson, Principal CSM of UserTesting, to discuss the strategic role of CSMs in using technology to drive business outcomes. With a blend of humor, insightful discussions, and practical takeaways, Alok shares his insights on the shortcomings of traditional customer success platforms, the generational shift in technology adoption, and the evolving role of customer success teams in leveraging data insights for strategic decision-making.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Preview
1:56 - BS & Intros
7:20 - Overlap of Cybersecurity & CS
11:54 - 80% of AI is Getting Data in the Right Format
18:52 - Business Intelligence for CS Teams
20:30 - Do CSMs Need a Data Mindset?
22:45 - Pendo Isn't Designed for CSMs
26:40 - Importance of Understanding Personas
28:40 - Good Food. Good Business. Good Life.
34:34 - Do Traditional CS Platforms Solve Real Problems?
46:46 - Closing
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👉 Connect with the guest
Alok Shukla: https://www.linkedin.com/in/akshukla/
👉 Connect with hosts
Jon Johnson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonwilliamjohnson/
Kristi Faltorusso: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristiserrano/
Josh Schachter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/
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Keywords:
How to keep your customers happy , customer success manager, customer support, customer success management, Customer Success Manager role, Pendo, FunnelStory, Data mindset, Customer success platforms, Alok Sharma, customer progression, technology adoption, cybersecurity, big data analysis, human interactions, behavioral insights, business intelligence, data mindset, customer relationships, in-person meetings, post-COVID era
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Unchurned is presented by UpdateAI
About UpdateAI
At UpdateAI our mission is to empower CS teams to build great customer relationships. We work with early & growth-stage B2B SaaS companies to help them scale CS outcomes. Everything we do is devoted to removing the overwhelm of back-to-back customer meetings so that CSMs can focus on the bigger picture: building relationships.

May 29, 2024 • 29min
Using Data-Driven Content to Serve Customers ft. Nikola Mijic (Founder, Matik)
In this unchurned conversation, Nikola Mijic, the Founder of Matik joins Josh Schachter. Both of them dive into how Nikola got into the world of CS, and his experience working at LinkedIn and also discuss:
0:00 - Meet Nick & how health scores help predict customer churn risk
7:00 - Working at LinkedIn inspired Nick's startup journey
13:03 - Nick's experience as an immigrant
17:45 - The role of core values in guiding operations and solving conflicts
23:10 - Finding early customers who understand the startup mentality
26:00 - Using data-driven content can enable scaling
#updateai #customersuccess #saas #business
👉 Follow the podcast
Youtube: https://youtu.be/JprAz-o-dWk
Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3dfWXmD
Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3KD3Ehl
👉 Connect with the guest
Nikola Mijic: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikola-mijic-9012201b/
👉 Connect with hosts
Jon Johnson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonwilliamjohnson/
Kristi Faltorusso: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristiserrano/
Josh Schachter: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jschachter/
👉 Sign up for UpdateAI - the only Zoom virtual assistant for customer-facing teams.
👉 Be the first to know when a new episode of Unchurned is dropped. Sign up for our newsletter at https://blog.update.ai/
👉 Get the advice and insights you need to thrive in Customer Success. Subscribe to the CS Insider Newsletter
______________________
Unchurned is presented by UpdateAI
About UpdateAI
At UpdateAI our mission is to empower CS teams to build great customer relationships. We work with early & growth-stage B2B SaaS companies to help them scale CS outcomes. Everything we do is devoted to removing the overwhelm of back-to-back customer meetings so that CSMs can focus on the bigger picture: building relationships.


