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Transcript Brett and Christina-1 [00:00:00]Brett: [00:00:00] Welcome to overtired. We used to go back and forth on doing these, uh, these, these intros. And I’ve just been, I’ve just been taking them. I haven’t even given you a chance, Christina. [00:00:12] Christina: [00:00:12] you haven’t. And you know, I was actually thinking that I was like, I guess this is just the Brett show now. Now I’m kidding. Uh, [00:00:19] Brett: [00:00:19] always been the bread show. Let’s be honest. [00:00:22] Christina: [00:00:22] This is true. It has always been the fresh show. Yeah, no, we used to always go back and forth. Let’s try that for next week. I’ll try to, to introduce it again for our long time listeners, but for, for new people. [00:00:34] Brett: [00:00:34] Why don’t we do? Why don’t we do both this week? Why don’t, why don’t you do it right now? [00:00:38]Christina: [00:00:38] welcome to overtired. I’m Christina Warren, how are you doing Brett? [00:00:44] Brett: [00:00:44] I am good. Um, Yeah, this feels better. We should have done this to start with. That should have been the way we started the episode. I, uh, so yeah. Okay. I had some, I had some, uh, some ADHD medication issues this week, but I [00:01:00] need to, I need to complain about, [00:01:03] Christina: [00:01:03] okay. Let’s get into [00:01:04] Brett: [00:01:04] so it used to be back in the, in the dark ages of like, uh, three or four months ago, I used to have to call. [00:01:14] The nurse, the nurse would then call the doctor or email the doctor. The doctor would then mail me prescriptions. And I would wait until the, the clinic told me that my mail had arrived. I would go to the clinic, pick up the envelope and drive that to the pharmacy and then wait for them to fill it a few months back that changed. [00:01:36] And suddenly my doctor was able to, uh, electronically transfer this script. So I could just call the nurse, email the doctor, and then have the script there. Then, uh, she gave me a number to text her directly taking one more part of the chain out. So I could just text my doctor when I needed a refill. [00:02:00] She would electronically transfer this script and then I would go pick it up. [00:02:03] Things got so much easier. And then last week I texted on Tuesday that it was time for my refill and I didn’t hear back. So I texted again on Wednesday when I was completely out of pills. Didn’t hear back finally. Uh, no. Then I texted again on Thursday and then it was Friday morning when I was during the, the introductory introduction meditation to a yoga class. [00:02:30] I realized, Oh shit, I bet you, my doctor quit. And I missed the memo and now I’m, and then I spend the whole class thinking about how. Uh, how I, wasn’t going to have a doctor in Woodenville to get any of my meds. And it was not very meditative. [00:02:45] Christina: [00:02:45] I was going to say, that seems like the worst thing for realization for you to have during yoga, because you don’t want to have like an anxiety attack during your yoga [00:02:54] Brett: [00:02:54] Although it could also be the best time since I was working very hard on things like [00:03:00] breathing and centering myself. So maybe it, it like it was a wash, [00:03:05] Christina: [00:03:05] Yeah. Okay. I can see that. Okay. Anyway, [00:03:07] Brett: [00:03:07] Right after class, I call and I’m like, Hey, is my doctor still work for you? And they said, yes. And I said, okay, so she’s not responding to text messages. [00:03:18] And they put me into the voicemail of the nurse who then called me back a couple hours later to say that, yeah, uh, she she’ll email the doctor. We’re back to the old way of doing things, but the doctor hasn’t been responding to emails. And it’s Friday, which is her day off and Monday’s a holiday. So now I’m going over a full week without my meds, which is not great for much of anything. [00:03:45] But I do have a lot of TV. I could talk about. [00:03:47]Christina: [00:03:47] no, I mean, that’s good. I mean, I’m, I’m really upset that you don’t have your meds and haven’t had them for a week. I’m glad we can talk about TV. I’m concerned that it, [00:04:00] it, you know, that it took this long, like, okay. So how long have you been trying to get in touch with your doctor? [00:04:04] Brett: [00:04:04] Since Tuesday. [00:04:06] Christina: [00:04:06] Okay. This is a question that doesn’t come from judgment because I do this too, but yeah, I am just curious, like, was there a reason you didn’t reach out earlier before you realized you were okay. [00:04:18] Brett: [00:04:18] So the thing with ADHD stimulant medications is if you seem too eager, You run the risk of them thinking you’re abusing your meds and cutting you off. So you have to be very, or at least around here, you have to be very much like, eh, whenever you get to it, no big deal. Ah, you know, whatever’s fine. [00:04:37] Stay, you know, if you feel like it, you can fill those meds. I desperately need to continue my way of life. Uh, so I didn’t want to appear over anxious, uh, to a point I’m like super gun shy about it because it’s bitten me before. [00:04:50] Christina: [00:04:50] Right. [00:04:51] Brett: [00:04:51] I’m more cautious than I need to be, but it’s still this environment where we’re gonna give you drugs that change your life and make it [00:05:00] possible for you to be a normal person. [00:05:02] But we’re also going to stigmatize the taking of these meds and make it next to illegal for you to even fill a prescription. [00:05:10]Christina: [00:05:10] Which I mean, And it’s okay. It’s such bullshit. And it sh it’s so good, different, depending on where you are, who your insurance company is, who your doctor is, which to me is even worse. Right? Like I, not that it would be, not that I would like encourage this because I would then be fucked, but, and a lot of other people would be fucked. [00:05:32] But if this was at least a consistent thing across the country, like if this was something that all doctors kind of followed, then. You know, there’d be a baseline, but instead there’s this, you know, really fucked up system of hierarchies that we as humans and as people with ADHD, I don’t have any control over and it’s not even strictly something where you can be like, Oh, it’s based on your class. [00:05:59] And it’s based on [00:06:00] this and that, like, I’m sure that has things to do with it, but it’s not even strictly based on that. It’s literally based on. You know, this arbitrary thing, which is what doctor you can get, who takes your insurance, or what part of the country you live in as far as what rules they’re going to follow to, again, as you say, how they’re going to treat you with the meds that you need to live a normal life, like just for comparison. [00:06:23]It is, I think this on, on our first show back remarkably easy to the point that it’s probably a little bit too easy for now. This might be changed in Cove at times, but for people who work at Microsoft who go to the doctor’s office, that’s on campus. The way that you could get somebody to just write you a script for some Adderall or Dexedrine or whatever. [00:06:51] Is, I mean, it’s, it’s laughably simple. Um, I hadn’t, I didn’t have any proof of [00:07:00] anything. I didn’t have like my diagnoses. I mean, obviously they’d contacted my doctor and they saw my chart. They would see my whole history of stuff and it would have been fine, but they wrote me, I think it was three scripts of, of my, um, meds. [00:07:13] Now. They ha they don’t have refills and it had to be refilled. Right on time or whatever, but they wrote me like three scripts just based on what I told them in like my annual physical first meeting. And I know people who have gone in, and I’ve just talked about what symptoms they have and have been able to walk out with a script for ADHD medicine. [00:07:35] Again, like if they wanted an ongoing thing, they’d need to get some sort of diagnosis or whatever, but not, not a big deal. And as it seems like, my doctor is not in the state of Washington. And so that does complicate things for refills because technically the pharmacy is supposed to call him, um, or his office and, you know, ensure that I haven’t forged the, um, uh, the script [00:08:00] for the, for it to get filled. [00:08:02] But I would say it’s probably been about 50 50 if that’s actually happened. And one time, I mean, and that pharmacist, like, she will always be my hero. It was like a Saturday and I dropped it off and I was like, look, I know that this or Sunday or something, I was like, look, I know that this is, you know, I’m coming in late. [00:08:19] I can get this, you know, tomorrow, whatever sounded big deal. And she was like, no, you need this. Even though it was the end of the day and filled it for me. Like very, very nice. And, and I’ve been really lucky that way that I’ve had that I’ve also been in situations I’m not for it ADHD meds, but for when I used to be on Provigil. [00:08:39] Which I guess was an ADHD med, um, where that was just a nightmare to get like my insurance stopped covering it. And then it was one of those things where, okay. Unify went over my, um, deductible. I could, even if I met my deductible, um, they would only cover so much with Provigil. And so it got to the point where I was like, Oh, I can’t afford to take this anymore [00:09:00] because this is $1,500 a month. [00:09:02] And that is not something that I can afford to do. Right. [00:09:06] Brett: [00:09:06] Buy the generic with Bitcoin from overseas. If you know where to look. [00:09:11] Christina: [00:09:11] yes. And, and I, I [00:09:12] Brett: [00:09:12] do that with most stimulants, but with, with Provigil you can [00:09:16] Christina: [00:09:16] right and I’d actually looked at that and I tried the new vigil twice and the new vigil just doesn’t work for me. Like actually [00:09:23] Brett: [00:09:23] am the Amarillo version. Yeah. Not as good. [00:09:26] Christina: [00:09:26] Yeah, no, but like the new vigil, which was the one that they created to extend the patents or whatever, that one just fucks me up and it just doesn’t work for me. [00:09:36] But, um, so I haven’t been on Provigil in years and years and I used to love Provigil, but that one was like almost impossible to get. So it’s just such a weird, stupid [00:09:47] Brett: [00:09:47] the insurance requirements around Provigil work crazy. Like you had, you had to have tried Nuvigil first and that had to, you had to have had, like, you had to try for three months and then that had to have not worked. [00:10:00] And then you had to go through all the, uh, What do they call that? When, when the doctor gives you a prescription and you go to the pharmacy, but the insurance company has to call your doctor to make sure they were serious or whatever, uh, pre something authorization. [00:10:15]Um, yeah, like in, by the time I got through all of that, the insurance company then said, Oh, we changed our mind. We can’t give you this drug. And I don’t remember what the final reason was for it, but I never did get Provigil covered by insurance. [00:10:30] Christina: [00:10:30] Yeah, I had it covered when I was under my parents’ insurance. And when I moved from that, and then I was on Cobra for a period of time. Um, and I paid for Cobra and this was when I was working at Mashable and I paid for it, even though it was a lot of money because this was before, um, you [00:10:48] Brett: [00:10:48] cheaper than buying insurance. [00:10:50] Christina: [00:10:50] Um, uh, well, it was still cheaper than buying the medication. [00:10:53] Um, so, uh, this was before the ACA my whole fear was, I was like, okay, I have preexisting conditions. I [00:11:00] can’t get insured because I wouldn’t have been able to get insured for less than what Cobra costs. Um, and so until Nashville got health insurance, I was playing for Cobra. Then Nashville got health insurance, and it was decent and it covered my Provigil at first. [00:11:14] And then I liked. They had some sort of, you know, in the fine print, some sort of hard limit on how much they would pay for medications. And I hit that at like month, three of Provigil and I was like, Oh shit. Okay. And they’re like, yeah, we’re not going to cover this anymore. $1,500. I’m like, Oh, well, that’s, that’s a, that’s a third of my, of my salary. [00:11:35] I do not have that. I’m not doing it. And then when we tried years later, We were on even better insurance. And it was like, they were like, no, this is just not covered. I think it was the same sort of thing with what you said again, you have to try other stuff. And I was just, at that point, I’d been off it for so long. [00:11:52] I was like, okay. I’m, I’m just not gonna be on Provigil. I’m just going to take it. He just prescribed more [00:12:00] me more extra train. Um, But, but yeah, I mean, but this is frustrating to me hearing you talk yeah. About this is that you knew you were running out, you do all the right things. Now you’re going to be out of your meds for, you know, a week when, if you reached out a week before you run out, which is not an insane thing to [00:12:18] Brett: [00:12:18] It’s not. [00:12:20] Christina: [00:12:20] every other medical that I have actually is set to refill, be like, I can, I can call in the refill a week or two before. [00:12:30] You know, it, it it’s do. That’s fine. Um, so that’s not an insane thing to do, but because if you dared like reach out, Oh a week before your meds went out, then they would look at you as some sort of drug seeker, because you’re selling Adderall to kids and it’s like, hate to break it to you, but the kids are gonna find the Adderall. [00:12:51] Brett: [00:12:51] easily than I am actually. [00:12:53] Christina: [00:12:53] uh, no shit. That’s what I was going to say. I was like, I was like, honestly, if you know, if these were normal times and [00:13:00] college campuses were open more broadly, I would say, you should just go to like, you know, university of Minnesota and like ask the teens. And I’m not even joking because they would be able to like, probably get it to you for like, not that much more than, than, um, I mean more than what you’re paying with insurance, but certainly if you needed like, Oh, weeks worth of pills, you could just go and pay for that. [00:13:24] Like it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s stupid. And it’s, as you say, like creates the stigma. I read this thing in slate this week about. A woman who had really difficult labor and was refused, um, any form of opiate, like any form of like Oxy coding, even though she literally had like a hemorrhage and was in like unspeakable pain from, um, labor and. [00:13:52] Just the, the, like I, and there was a whole discussion on the comments from people about how obviously, like the opiate crisis is a real thing [00:14:00] and people need to take it seriously. And yes, for many years, um, opiates were way over prescribed and people got Oxy prescriptions, like it was candy and that’s been very, very bad. [00:14:10] But now it’s swung to this other side where, you know, people who might genuinely need it. Don’t have a way to get it, even in the hospital. Like they will, you know, treat them with, you know, like, like Tylenol. Um, and, and, you know, when, when you, when you’re, you’ve had like a hemorrhage from, from like, you know, labor and, you know, when, when like your, you know, entire, like lower half has been split open, like, you know, uh, sorry, that’s some Tylenol is not gonna not gonna solve that. [00:14:42] Like, you know, um, but, [00:14:45] Brett: [00:14:45] but they give you that special title and all that. They inject in your butt. There I’m serious. There’s one. That’s supposed to be like four times strength, regular Tylenol, and they inject it in your butt. And it’s good for about three hours of a certain amount of pain [00:15:00] relief. Like nothing close to an Oxy, but it helps a little, but I like in that’s when I’ve gone in with like a debilitating back pain, [00:15:10] Christina: [00:15:10] Sure. [00:15:11] Brett: [00:15:11] the best they can give me, but that’s nothing close to like major. [00:15:15] It’s surgical after aftermath or anything like that. [00:15:18] Christina: [00:15:18] Well, that’s what I’m saying. I’m like, if you’ve had a Csection and you’ve hemorrhaged, I’m sorry, but like some, even some like hospital grade Tylenol is not going to touch that. Like that that’s actually like what, like, [00:15:29] Brett: [00:15:29] say Costco grade. [00:15:31] Christina: [00:15:31] no, no. I said, I said, um, I said hospital grade. Costco grade would be funny though. [00:15:36] Um, no, but like, but yeah, I mean, you know, and I can see that for people who have back pain and like, especially, yeah, you gotta be careful with people who are addicts and whatnot, but like it’s shitty that they, you know, but like this pendulum is now swung the other way where doctors are so incredibly, like afraid to prescribe anything that they don’t. [00:15:55] And it’s weird because if you look at other countries, They’re not actually [00:16:00] better with stimulants. That’s the one thing, um, they’re actually usually worse with stimulants, but at least with pain meds, if you go someplace like France or other parts of Europe, they’re a lot more chill about it. Um, and I, I, I’m sure people who are smarter than me have done studies and research into why there’s been an opioid crisis in the United States, but not in other parts of the world. [00:16:26] Uh, and, and I’m sure that a lot of that frankly comes down to the, uh, both the insurance companies and the drug companies and kind of the proliferation of a lot of those things. But it is sort of interesting that so many of the problems that we have in the United States with people getting access to the drugs, they need being able to pay for the drugs they need. [00:16:46] And also the addictions that we have to, um, prescription medications don’t exist. Other places. [00:16:52] Brett: [00:16:52] Well, I mean, they do, but they’re treated as medical issues and not legal issues [00:17:00] [00:16:59] Christina: [00:16:59] okay. That’s fair. [00:17:01] Brett: [00:17:01] addiction is it’s a human condition, but it’s a medical condition. It’s not a moral failing or legal it, we shouldn’t treat addiction with jail. We should treat it with rehab. That seems pretty basic to me. [00:17:20]Christina: [00:17:20] Yeah, no, I [00:17:21] Brett: [00:17:21] find in most of those countries that don’t have major opiate crises, they haven’t criminalized it and they offer treatment options. [00:17:30] They probably also don’t have a major pharmaceutical companies that have basically, uh, uh, what’s the word when you, uh, subsidized doctors. [00:17:43] Christina: [00:17:43] I was going to say. [00:17:44]Brett: [00:17:44] Oxycontin and whatnot, but. [00:17:47] Christina: [00:17:47] No, I was going to say that I actually do think that’s probably a big part of it because, you know, um, as you say, like addiction is a human thing and it’s not like it’s, it’s going to not happen in, in some parts of the world. But I think when you [00:18:00] get rid of that incentive, that so many doctors have from pharmaceutical companies who will pay them essentially to prescribe and to do things, give them kickbacks. [00:18:12] When that system doesn’t exist, then you don’t have situations where people are getting scripts for things that they don’t need and more of it and are, um, you know, maybe watching things to be saying, Hey, I’ve been prescribing you, you know, this thing for a while now. And your accident was a long time ago, and I’m concerned that you might be developing some sort of dependency. [00:18:38] Rather than, you know, what’s happened here, which was that, you know, for many, many years it would just be okay, that’s fine. I’m just going to continue to write this script for you and you’ll become more and more addicted, um, over time and it will devolve into something much more dangerous [00:18:55]anyway. So hopefully you will get your meds, um, on [00:19:00] Tuesday. [00:19:00] Brett: [00:19:00] I sure hope so, or it’s going to be a hell of another week. Hopefully she won’t go back to having to mail the scripts. Cause that took like five days to get through the mail. So I would have to call it like, I would time it to be like six days before I absolutely needed this script. And then just pray that the mail showed up on time. [00:19:20] But anyway, [00:19:21] Christina: [00:19:21] Yeah, I, I, and this is completely my white lady, like privilege because I can go Karen on people and, and it’s sort of socially acceptable, but, uh, This is the sort of situation where I would call if possible, like the nurse again, or whatever on Tuesday and be like, Hey, I’m really not trying to be a pain, I’ve been without my meds for a week. [00:19:43] Brett: [00:19:43] Nurses nurses don’t judge me. Uh, and nurses are good because they make the call as to whether or not it’s worth boating in the doctor about, so I find it, I can, I can, any time I can call a nurse and be like, Hey, do you know what’s up with this? And they don’t, they, they’re not the ones [00:20:00] marking drug seeking behavior on your files. [00:20:02] So, [00:20:03]Christina: [00:20:03] Yeah. [00:20:04] Brett: [00:20:04] um, tell me, [00:20:06] Christina: [00:20:06] sorry. I was going to say, what, what shows have you been watching [00:20:09] Brett: [00:20:09] Oh, [00:20:09] Christina: [00:20:09] what you’ve had time to do? [00:20:10]Brett: [00:20:10] Let’s see, I started watching teenage bounty hunters on Netflix. It’s not good. Um, [00:20:17] Christina: [00:20:17] That doesn’t sound good. [00:20:19] Brett: [00:20:19] no. So I went back and was watching, um, scrubs and, um, and Cougar town [00:20:29] Christina: [00:20:29] Yeah. [00:20:30]Brett: [00:20:30] Oh, and then a lot of YouTube lately, I’ve just been, I’ve been watching all this stuff about like, The history of the world from like a fossil records and early humans and just weird hour long PBS specials on the first hominids stuff like that. [00:20:51] It’s been nuts. It’s been weird. [00:20:53]Christina: [00:20:53] I really I’ve really come to appreciate and enjoy YouTube and ways that I, uh, [00:21:00] I’m sort of embarrassed by sometimes about how much like actual YouTube content I watch sometimes, but it’s, it’s a really good, um, it’s, it’s probably my favorite way to turn my brain off. [00:21:10] Brett: [00:21:10] Yeah, it, but it’s, it can be educational at the same time. It’s uh, it’s where I go to, instead of trying to get into a 30 minute show. I’ll just dive into a 10 minute YouTube video on some topic. I find, you know, tangentially. Interesting. Do you have a favorite channel? [00:21:28]Christina: [00:21:28] I will. It varies because I wash so many different things. Uh, and I mean, No, I don’t think I have like a favorite because a lot of the stuff that I watched on YouTube is actual crap. Like some of it is actually interesting. Like I really love, um, like, um, the, the angry video game nerd or whatever, or he does these, you [00:21:48] Brett: [00:21:48] Angry dad gamer. [00:21:50] Christina: [00:21:50] No. Um, I think that thing has figured out, um, uh, the angry video game nerd. He he’s put her up. He’s been around for a long time. His channel’s name is, um, [00:22:00] cinemassacre and what he does is he. Finds like old video games and he, um, does reviews of them on the systems and just kind of talks about like how good or how bad they were, usually, how bad they work across all their iterations. [00:22:16] Like he did one a couple of years ago where he played all of the home alone games with Macaulay Culkin, which was pretty awesome. Um, because all of those games are terrible. Um, but, but occasionally he really likes the games, which is very rare, which is always like really great, because he loves to be super critical and like obviously gets like, you know, like, um, performatively angry about stuff, but would he played earthbound, which is one of my favorite games of all time, probably my favorite game ever. [00:22:48] Um, like. I love earthbound Soso so much. And I’m, I like, I, like, I can say this about so few games. So I feel like I can actually like, [00:23:00] take, like, be like that asshole. Who’s like I was into it before it was cool, but I genuinely was into earthbound before anybody else cared about it. Like it’s now widely considered one of the best games of all time. [00:23:12] And people like, talk about how great it is, but almost everyone who says that discovered it, like in the two thousands. And I was playing it in 1995. I bought it very soon after it came out, it was like a 60 or $70 game that I paid for with my own money. I was 12. Um, it came with the strategy guide that had like the scratch and stiff stickers and would kind of give you the walkthrough. [00:23:35] And before the game even came out Nintendo, cause it was a super Nintendo game and Nintendo power. You know, wrote a lot of, kind of glowing things about it in their advertorial way that. Frankly, I still really liked and appreciated, um, got me super hype on the game. And I was like, this sounds like exactly the sort of game that, that I love. [00:23:55] Cause it’s this game that takes place in kind of the, not [00:24:00] so distant future. And. It was kind of like a modern RPG and like, you know, you had an ATM where your money would go and you would call your dad to save your game. And it was just weird and it was this kind of Japanese interpretation of like what like, or comma looked like, but there was so weird shit. [00:24:17] Like you, you get this girl Paulo who joins your team and you say her parents run a daycare center, which is then taken over by a cult. And so you have to like free the town and like the daycare center from this cult. And then there was like a blues band that keeps getting in it with the mob of some sort for money who you have to like pay off them. [00:24:41] And there’s just all this weird shit. There’s aliens. It’s a weird game, but it’s a great game. And now it’s widely considered like, Greatest game of all time, but I was genuinely like played it like the summer. It came out. Like I bought it. It did not sell well when it came out. Um, but his [00:25:00] episode and earthbound, it’s like a, it’s like a 40 minute episode is just really fantastic. [00:25:04] And it’s one of those things where even he has to be like, dammit, you know, this is so good. You know, this is such a good game or whatever. But, yeah, he’s one of my favorites, I guess if I had to think, but he doesn’t make videos that often. Um, so that’s, but that’s, that’s one of my favorite channels, but I watch a lot of crap. [00:25:22] Like I watch a lot of like YouTube drama and, and stuff like that, which, um, [00:25:27] Brett: [00:25:27] I didn’t know. That was a thing. [00:25:29] Christina: [00:25:29] Oh, it’s a [00:25:29] Brett: [00:25:29] Apparently. Apparently my YouTube stuck on historical documentaries, but. [00:25:33] Christina: [00:25:33] See, this is what’s so great about YouTube. Is that both the good and the bad thing is that the algorithm will determine what sort of content you want to watch. [00:25:41] Brett: [00:25:41] so, so I, I, I can generally trust the recommendations because they pretty much pull from channels I’ve actually subscribed to. So this one came up about. Early humans. And I thought, Oh, I haven’t seen this one yet. And I started it and it opens up with [00:26:00] the mainstream. Researchers don’t want you to know this. And it was it, the whole thing was about like alien, like ancient aliens kind of stuff. And I didn’t make it very far into it because they kept talking about mainstream science. Like it was the devil and, and I gave up on it. But somehow that made it through the algorithm, I guess it was just related enough. [00:26:27] Christina: [00:26:27] Oh, yeah, no, there’s, there’s been a whole thing, um, about like how the algorithm can sort of radicalize people and, and it, so actually I’m going to put this in our, in our notes, but, uh, my friend, Kevin, um, and I, I used to work with him. He’s fantastic at, uh, he’s now with the New York times, uh, he wrote this amazing story last year called, um, the making of a YouTube radicle, where he basically was able to, um, Go through the YouTube history of people who’ve become radicalized and like alt-right [00:27:00] or whatever, because of YouTube and going through like what videos they’ve watched and what their history has been in. [00:27:04] You could just kind of try to like reverse engineer, how the algorithm worked to take them from kind of, you know, standard sorts of topics into getting them into more and more radicalized fare. And. It’s it’s a really fascinating, um, story. And, and I do think that like the algorithm is in general really good, but it does have those offshoots, which are not unproblematic and have been criticized. [00:27:33] Rightly so. The, the, the, um, the way that the New York times, um, Story was done. Like, just like from a graphics perspective is really, really fascinating because it’ll take you through kind of like the timeline of everything he watched and you can kind of see like the, like visually the way that it, it brings up the content he’s watched is just actually really incredible. [00:27:56] Like the tech that the, the design and the tech that they did for that [00:28:00] is. Some of their best it’s it’s like, not as good as snowfall, but it’s like snowfall asks like, as that same sort of visual design cue and snowfall for our listeners who might not be aware is this very famous New York times story where they created this visual. [00:28:18] Addition to the tax that it brought you completely into what happened in this story. And it was kind of a breakthrough in terms of visual journalism and web design, and then everything, every single, you know, like, uh, you know, web publisher wanted to have their own snowfall moments. And, uh, you, you fight, you saw, you know, newspapers and magazines. [00:28:38] Hiring lots of data journalists and, and JavaScript in front end people to try to bring those sorts of things to the stories because when you do it right, it’s actually really incredible. But, [00:28:49] Brett: [00:28:49] Cool. Yeah. Put, put some links in for me. [00:28:53] Christina: [00:28:53] Yeah, you got it. Um, yeah. It’s, it’s good. Um, but [00:29:00] yeah, so. So you’re watching YouTube and finding your historical stuff. [00:29:04] Usually not being radicalized, but occasionally being led [00:29:07] Brett: [00:29:07] Occasionally it just slips through. [00:29:09] Christina: [00:29:09] Yup. W and here’s the problem. I love the subculture bullshit so much, and I love the crazy shit on YouTube and in general. And then that will become what YouTube recommends me to watch for the next few weeks. I’ve been watching a bunch of like, Tech content recently, like a bunch of people who do like PC over clock specs or Mac, you know, builds or things like that. [00:29:32] And so that’s taken up my recommendations, but there are times when it will be like the flat earthers and like the worst types of people, just because I’ve been like obsessed with that stuff. Not because I believe it, but then that light just ruins my algorithm for X period of time. [00:29:50] Brett: [00:29:50] I get, [00:29:51] Christina: [00:29:51] I don’t want to see this. [00:29:52] Brett: [00:29:52] I get the videos debunking the flat earth videos, which I feel is just a waste of YouTube time. Like why, [00:30:00] why who’s paying enough attention to this shit. That we need to scientifically debunk the idea that the earth is flat. Anyway, you know, who showed up in my recommendations this week was a theme park boy who I’m sure has a name. [00:30:14] I’m positive. He has a name. I do not know it, but he showed up to talk about all the news coverage that he received for his theme park video. And he went, I didn’t watch the whole thing. He went for like half an hour. But he, he read what was clearly a foreign language article, poorly translated out loud and then took, took a lot of issue with, um, I will say the semantics of this clearly translated article. [00:30:46] It was entertaining just to watch him get flustered. [00:30:49] Christina: [00:30:49] Oh, you poor ASPE, wonderful tea. You pour you pour beautiful. Like Aspy Swifty. I’m [00:30:56] Brett: [00:30:56] Oh, my God. Do you, do you know the history of Asperger’s [00:31:00] like why it’s called Asperger’s [00:31:01] Christina: [00:31:01] I have no clue. [00:31:02] Brett: [00:31:02] it’s um, it was this Nazi sympathizer doctor who came up with ways to determine whether or not children were worth keeping alive. [00:31:15] Christina: [00:31:15] Holy [00:31:16] Brett: [00:31:16] Yeah, no, it is sorted. It is a very sort of history and it’s part of the reason they don’t diagnose Asperger’s anymore. [00:31:23] That it’s just part of the spectrum now, but just FYI, like there is some seriously sick shit behind that doctor. Like he wasn’t an out and out Nazi, but he worked with the third. Right? [00:31:37] Christina: [00:31:37] Uh, no then he was not no Nazi. Sorry. That’s uh, I, I’m sorry. That’s how that, that’s how that works. Like, uh, and I feel okay. Well, I take that back, cause that was a slur that I genuinely [00:31:48] Brett: [00:31:48] it’s not, it’s not a slur so much as it is a reference to a history that got seriously whitewashed or some color washed. [00:31:57] Christina: [00:31:57] Well, no, here’s the thing. It is a slur that we [00:32:00] don’t know that it’s a slur, but it is. And that finds its way into the way we use language now, because I wasn’t saying it as a slur in that sense, but I was admittedly like kind of joking in, in a. Not completely kind way. I didn’t mean anything. I didn’t mean anything mean by it because I genuinely loved this kid. [00:32:19] Like I love him and I love like what he did. And, and I love that you watched his video like three times and how much you thought about it. And like, I genuinely like, love his passion. Um, you know, I’m just like poking fun, you know, the same way you would poke fun. I would [00:32:35] Brett: [00:32:35] no, I was, I wasn’t judging you. I’m sorry. If it came [00:32:38] Christina: [00:32:38] no, [00:32:38] Brett: [00:32:38] way, I got [00:32:39] Christina: [00:32:39] weren’t. No, no, no, no, you weren’t because, but, but I’m judging myself. Like, that’s the thing I’m like, I, I know that I was like, teasing him with love, but for somebody who’s new and listening to this podcast who doesn’t know me and doesn’t know that, like now I’m like, shit there, dude. [00:32:56] I’m never, I’m never gonna use like ASPE as [00:33:00] any sort of pejorative ever again because Holy, Oh my [00:33:04] Brett: [00:33:04] I was reading an article written by, uh, an autism advocate, someone who actually has autism. And she was actually the one who kind of laid all this out historically. And she said that she would miss the. The, the, uh, kind of what you said, almost a loving term, like they would refer to themselves as Aspy is, and she was going to, she was going to miss that term of endearment, but couldn’t use it anymore because of, of what it represented. So you’re not wrong. It was even among, even among the autistic, it was considered a term of endearment for most people. [00:33:47]Christina: [00:33:47] a total tangental thing, because I guess this is the weird, well, this is our podcast, but, uh, [00:33:53] Brett: [00:33:53] what are we doing? [00:33:55] Christina: [00:33:55] I was just going to say, speaking of like weird, like Holocaust things, people [00:34:00] might not know about IBM. IBM was heavily involved in the Holocaust. [00:34:05] Brett: [00:34:05] How so. [00:34:07] Christina: [00:34:07] They created the sorting machines and the, uh, like the, the, like the, the machines that would basically figure out, um, the census and we’re what, what, um, religion and, and, and, you know, classification people were and where they were located. [00:34:22] Brett: [00:34:22] Do you have sources for this? [00:34:24] Christina: [00:34:24] Yes, I do. [00:34:25] Brett: [00:34:25] This isn’t some radicalized YouTube video. Is [00:34:27] Christina: [00:34:27] It is, it is absolutely not. It is absolutely not. In fact, uh, the, the, there were people who were like heavily involved in like working at IBM, um, uh, Europe who were. Flat-out Nazis and people who were very closely associated with IBM corporation in New York who knew about this, and it took them until the late thirties to get rid of their association. [00:34:52] And there’s a great book that came out 15, 16 years ago called IBM and the Holocaust that’s incredibly [00:35:00] well-researched. Um, IBM has had to actually publicly. Uh, they haven’t toned, frankly, the way they should, but they have had to publicly admit and accept their involvement. In, um, the punch card system. [00:35:14] Yeah, I know this is, this is not like in any way conspiracy thing, this is something that is, it is fucked up beyond belief. And how it started was that this guy went to the Holocaust museum in Washington, DC and saw one of these IBM punch card machines on display. He saw the logo and he was just kind of struck. [00:35:32] And he was like, What the hell, what is this? And went into to the history. And it is incredibly, incredibly, incredibly disturbing, uh, that one of the biggest and most important companies in American history and world history was like, Um, I think because for such a long time, this is less true now, but for such a long time, IBM, even when it was a faltered, giant was still such a giant. [00:35:59] I mean, you [00:36:00] have to think they employ 250,000 people. Like, it’s not like it’s a big company and it’s, and it’s, uh, it’s, it’s, it’s big business. It, you know, as defined a lot of things, uh, I think that it’s. One of those things. A lot of people probably it’s a third rail. A lot of people don’t want to touch and get into that stuff. [00:36:17] I mean, it’s a similar thing. People don’t like to talk about like Henry Ford and Walt, Walt Disney’s antisemitism, [00:36:22] Brett: [00:36:22] Well, [00:36:23] Christina: [00:36:23] you know, like, [00:36:24] Brett: [00:36:24] I feel like now, now that America is full of Nazis again. I feel like now is the time for companies to really own that kind of history. [00:36:34] Christina: [00:36:34] I agree. And they have, it came up sort of in the context of the last time it kind of came up, I guess, was, was wind some of the, the various tech companies, um, including the company I work for. Um, you know, we’re. Uh, found to have agreements with, with ice and, and, you know, department of Homeland security and things like that. [00:36:54] And, and it did come up again, I guess, more recently in that context, but it is interesting [00:37:00] that it hasn’t ever really been. Like this disgust thing. And, and I think that was the context where IBM finally has had to, you know, admit their culpability and some of this, but for a long time, they did try to deny it. [00:37:12] And they did try to say, this is not a thing. Um, but, uh, it is actually a thing. And, um, it is part of their history and it is, you know, a big part of it. I think how IBM America has tried to. Get rid of some of the culpability is that they were like, Oh, well this was, this was IBM GRM. You know, this, this was the, um, this was the German part of, of, of, of IBM or the other European subsidiaries. [00:37:41] But the, the book, um, makes very good arguments, um, that the people in the United States at the corporate offices were aware and that. High up executives knew and were sympathetic to what was happening there. [00:38:00] Um, so yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s an interesting thing for people to, to look into for sure. Uh, but, uh, yeah, that I read that I actually, I didn’t even read the book. [00:38:11] I listened to the audio book in God. I don’t know. Um, 2004, um, it was one of the first audible books that I ever got, and that’s why I remember this. And. It completely kind of blew my mind and changed my perspective. And, and, but I did, even then I had this thing, I was like, okay, but is this conspiracy theory bullshit? [00:38:30] Like, is this actually true? And when I started looking into it, I was like, these sources seem to check out this. Doesn’t like, the guy is obviously ferry. Very like fervent and strong-willed and I would not disagree if people said, okay, maybe he takes it slightly further than what it actually was. Like. I think that that could be a fair assessment, but the general thesis and the general, like facts are [00:39:00] not in dispute even at this point by IBM. [00:39:03]Brett: [00:39:03] Alright. So speaking of the previous topic, [00:39:07] Christina: [00:39:07] Yeah. [00:39:08] Brett: [00:39:08] here’s another topic that’s completely unrelated. [00:39:11] Christina: [00:39:11] Okay, great. I love our segways. [00:39:13] Brett: [00:39:13] I know, and this is, this is again, probably the worst segue you could have for a sponsor, [00:39:18]Christina: [00:39:18] Oh my God. [00:39:19] Brett: [00:39:19] timing wise, it’s, it’s, it’s just it’s time. But, I mean, I’m sure if I were a fast enough thinker, I would find a way to, to make this anyway. [00:39:30] Christina: [00:39:30] no, I [00:39:31] Brett: [00:39:31] I’ll justify [00:39:32] Christina: [00:39:32] know this I’ll justify it this way. Um, if you are trying to, uh, escape, um, a freshen by your nation state, [00:39:41]Brett: [00:39:41] this is, this is how you do it because today we’re brought to you by express VPN. And the copy they sent me is, is pretty it’s it’s amusing. So I’m going to you, I’m going to stick to it pretty closely here. When you use the bathroom, let’s say you’re at a coffee house and you go to the [00:40:00] bathroom, you close the door behind you, right? [00:40:02] I mean, I’m making some assumptions, but you don’t want random. Passerbuys looking in on you, [00:40:08] Christina: [00:40:08] Usually not. [00:40:09] Brett: [00:40:09] again, I’m making some assumptions, but. [00:40:12] Christina: [00:40:12] on how drunk I am, but usually [00:40:14] Brett: [00:40:14] Right. Well, and it depends. And what you’re into, I mean, no kink shaming. [00:40:18] Christina: [00:40:18] Absolutely not. [00:40:19] Brett: [00:40:19] You do, you have a certain responsibility not to expose yourself to people who aren’t also into that. [00:40:26] Um, so please be responsible, but making those assumptions, you also wouldn’t want people looking in on you when you go online [00:40:35] Christina: [00:40:35] God. No. [00:40:36] Brett: [00:40:36] and using, using the internet without express VPN is like going to the bathroom and not closing the door. So you probably know that with whatever internet service provider use, like Comcast or spectrum, they can see every single website that you visit. And what’s worse is that a lot of them have, I’ve been tied to selling that information to ad companies and [00:41:00] tech giants who use that data to target you. 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I also genuinely am a pain user of express DPN, even aside from their sponsorship of our podcast, which we greatly appreciate. And it is it’s the good shit. And I mean, look, it’s bad enough that knows your whole watch history and can recommend crazy stuff to you, but you don’t also want like your ISP to sell your crazy YouTube watch history to ad companies. [00:42:29] You see it all over the internet, like, because no. [00:42:33] Brett: [00:42:33] Or if you’re in a situation where your boss might care, what your YouTube hits for, it looks like, [00:42:39] Christina: [00:42:39] Exactly. Exactly. Like just, just, yeah. [00:42:43] Brett: [00:42:43] or, or if you’re in a country with an oppressive regime as previously stated. [00:42:48] Christina: [00:42:48] Uh, exactly. Precisely. Even if you’re visiting a country with an oppressive regime, I, that is when I’m like I’m using a VPN just to be safe because I do not want to get arrested [00:43:00] for watching something that is. Going to anger people. [00:43:04] Brett: [00:43:04] Don’t countries like China ban the use of VPNs. [00:43:07] Christina: [00:43:07] They do however many, not many, a number of VPNs do actively work to play the cat and mouse game so that you can still use it. [00:43:17] Brett: [00:43:17] I’m sure. [00:43:18] Christina: [00:43:18] Yeah, so, but, but it, but it is like a cat and mouse game, but yeah, they do ban the use of VPNs. And in fact, um, Apple had, and Google, both had to remove all VPN apps from the app stores there, uh, because of the, the government basically being like, this is not allowed. [00:43:34] Um, obviously it is fairly trivial to then just get the app anyway. But yeah. [00:43:44]Brett: [00:43:44] You put something in the show notes that I, I think I’m curious about, I’m a little worried that I might not be curious about it. [00:43:52] Christina: [00:43:52] No, you’re going to love this. [00:43:54] Brett: [00:43:54] Okay. Tell, tell me about Hannah Montana Linux. [00:43:57]Christina: [00:43:57] Okay, this is amazing. Uh, I’m [00:44:00] not sure how old this is. I have a feeling that this is probably a decade old because the Hannah Montana show has been off the air for a really long time. Uh, but my good friend, Alex Cranz, uh, who is the, uh, senior reviews editor at Gizmodo. Shout out to Alex. She sent this in our group chat. [00:44:20] Uh, yesterday because, um, I’m in a group chat with her and our good friend, Katherine who works at the eff or the electronic frontier foundation. And the eff basically gives Katherine her choice. Like she can use Linux or she can use a Mac and they try to. You know, make everybody use like fully like FOS software, uh, which makes sense. [00:44:44] But that means poor Catherine has to use Thunderbird is her male client, which like that sucks. So, um, Kranz was like, I have the perfect Linux district for you. And she paced this Hannah Montana Lennox link. And [00:45:00] I’ve discovered that someone created a Linux distribution called Hannah Montana Linux. It is based on a coupon too. [00:45:10] And, um, it uses KTE 4.2 with a Hannah Montana theme. Um, it is fantastic. There are all kinds of, of wallpapers. Um, there. Are great screenshots. The person even created a song, I guess, apparently to the tune of one of the Hannah Montana songs with lyrics. And I’m going to put this link for you in our equip Bret. [00:45:36] So you can see it, but the lyrics, the song include things like, Oh yeah. Food up, you get the gooey out front hottest styles, every theme, every color. Yeah. When you’re not root, it can be kind of fun. As long as your password is never discovered. In some ways you’re just like all your friends, but on the internet, you’re a star, [00:46:00] I guess this is [00:46:01] Brett: [00:46:01] aside from you, who do you think the target audience for this is? [00:46:06]Christina: [00:46:06] Oh, so, I mean, I think that this was just a pure shit post, but it’s beautiful. [00:46:10] Brett: [00:46:10] That makes sense. That adds [00:46:12] Christina: [00:46:12] you’re lucky, if you read the, the, the, the FAC, it says, um, you know, how slash why did you make such a great OSTP? I thought, uh, I thought what would attract young users to Linux? So it created this idea after a lot of reading and work. [00:46:27]Brett: [00:46:27] Yeah. [00:46:27]Christina: [00:46:27] You know, I just, I, I think, you know, it was just, the whole thing is just, it’s really funny. Um, I, uh, I shared this on Twitter and, uh, a surprising number of people were like, yeah, this I I’m I’m into this. So again, I don’t know how old this is. The, the, the mercurial source database that it links to is no longer even active, which tells you how long this is. [00:46:51] How long ago this was. [00:46:53]Brett: [00:46:53] Version control. So it’s pretty, pretty ancient. [00:46:57] Christina: [00:46:57] Fair. Right. So, uh, again like, [00:47:00] I, this, this is old this, but, and, and people who are listening might be like, Oh, this was a meme years ago. Okay. Well, I was not aware and now I am, and I’m a huge fan. So [00:47:12] Brett: [00:47:12] I missed it. [00:47:13] Christina: [00:47:13] I did miss it. And I’m like, this is fantastic. Like, this is just really, really good. Uh, [00:47:18] Brett: [00:47:18] even have a printable Hannah Montana Lennox logo for the back of your PC. [00:47:23] Christina: [00:47:23] I mean, exactly. See, this is what I’m talking about. Like, this is, it’s just a thing of beauty and I just, this is the sort of shit that, you know what, like, I miss this, like we need this. [00:47:35] Brett: [00:47:35] There’s a sticker that says designed for Hannah Montana, Linux windows Vista, incapable. [00:47:41]Christina: [00:47:41] Oh, Oh God, this is so good. Um, I see, this is the shit that like, we need more of in this world and copyrights and, and other stuff be damned. Cause I’m sure that this was breaking all kinds of copyright things. I would suggest that we come up with like an overtired Linux distro [00:48:00] that is Taylor Swift themes. [00:48:01] Um, but I don’t want her to Sue us. Uh, I mean, although that I’m not going to lie, that would also be. A badge of honor to be sued by Taylor Swift or to have even a lawsuit threatened by Taylor Swift. But [00:48:14] Brett: [00:48:14] We did get a cease and desist, just kidding. But that would be a badge of honor. I wish I wish we had got, I would, I would wear proudly a badge that said I got a cease and desist from Taylor Swift. [00:48:28] Christina: [00:48:28] Oh my [00:48:28] Brett: [00:48:28] We shouldn’t make those anyway and just lie about it. [00:48:32] Christina: [00:48:32] Oh, my God. That’s actually a really good idea. We should, we should be doing merge. This is what all the YouTubers do is they have merge. And so we should [00:48:39] Brett: [00:48:39] Merchant a Patriot. That’s what we need. Yeah. [00:48:42] Christina: [00:48:42] Yeah. Listeners let us know. Would you be interested in some overtired merge that said things like I got a cease and desist from Taylor Swift, like let us know. [00:48:50]Brett: [00:48:50] Yeah. Okay. So I got a stream deck. [00:48:54] Christina: [00:48:54] okay. [00:48:55] Brett: [00:48:55] Are you familiar with the stream deck? [00:48:57] Christina: [00:48:57] Oh, I’m very familiar. I love mine. Tell me about yours. [00:49:00] [00:49:00] Brett: [00:49:00] I got it. As part of a job. I have a client who wants what I’m. Pretty sure are going to be impossible things for it to do. Um, that involve like scripting web pages, which is a fragile and delicate thing to even attempt. But I went ahead and just to explore it, I set up a, uh, a podcast folder for OK. For anyone who doesn’t know it’s a, you can get them in different sizes. [00:49:30] Mine is a mini, it only has six buttons, but each of the buttons. In the grid is like an old led, uh, display and you can put any icons on it, pictures, colors, um, and they can change. So you can create folders, uh, and sub folders full of different cons. And then you can have them do. Like most of mine trigger hot keys and launch [00:50:00] applications, but there’s a whole library of actions you can assign to these, uh, these buttons. [00:50:06] So I have one that pops up NV ultra for and Quip for taking notes during a podcast, a button that starts a macro that launches my, um, session recording in audio hijack and starts a timer. And then a button to pause the recording and the timer, and then another button that inserts the timestamp in the notes for however long I’ve been recording. [00:50:33] And that’s kind of my little podcast folder on this thing. And I, I am, I’ve had a lot input devices with a lot of buttons. I really like this kind of visual, uh, not having to memorize key pads full of buttons. I like, I like the picture turns out. [00:50:51] Christina: [00:50:51] Yeah, no, and it’s, it’s, it’s really like sensible. There’s a lot of stuff that you can do with it. Uh, the most popular app that people use with it is, is [00:51:00] probably like OBS or the open broadcasting system, which you can get really granular with. And that’s what I, that’s how I discovered this and, and how I use mine. [00:51:09] But you can use it with all kinds of things. And, uh, no, it’s, it’s really, really awesome. I will also say for anybody out there, if, cause it’s, it’s like a hundred dollars, I think for the mini and I think the regular ones, like 150, and I don’t know how much the XL is, which is the really big one. But, um, if you want to try out a stream deck and you don’t know if you want to pay for the hardware or not, El Gato actually makes an iOS app that will let you basically do the exact same thing. [00:51:37] It’s like 30 bucks. [00:51:38] Brett: [00:51:38] Stream deck mobile. [00:51:39] Christina: [00:51:39] Yeah, and it’s actually really good. And it interacts with the companion app on your macro PCB exact same way. So that is an alternative and it has like a three day free trial or seven days free trial or whatever. So you can actually try that out if you are wanting to, you know, like figure out like, do I actually want to invest [00:52:00] in hardware like this or not? [00:52:01] Um I’m um, but yeah, I’m, I’m a really, really big fan. And I’m actually really excited that you have one now. Cause I it’s funny, I’ve often thought of you when I’ve used it. I’m [00:52:09] Brett: [00:52:09] People always ask me, people are like, so what do you think of stream deck? And I’m like, I don’t know. I’ve never tried one. Now I have, now I can tell everyone [00:52:18] Christina: [00:52:18] Yeah. But I’m also looking forward to you, like figuring out ways to script macros and do other really interesting things with it. [00:52:24] Brett: [00:52:24] I’ve been doing a lot of work with keyboard Maestro, and then just using it to trigger keyboard, Maestro macros, which is, I guess, cause I’m. Most comfortable scripting in that way, but yeah, I’m sure I’ll dig deeper into it. [00:52:38]Christina: [00:52:38] Yeah. Yeah, no, it’s cool. El Gato. Um, I mean, you’re probably one of the only people who remembers this, but like, remember when they were like a Mac company. [00:52:45] Brett: [00:52:45] Yeah. [00:52:46] Christina: [00:52:46] Yeah. Um, they, of course, Sarah bought them a couple of years ago and they have full on pivoted, straight into the gaming space. And, um, it’s a, it’s been kind of cool to see, but also a little weird because [00:53:00] yeah. [00:53:00] Brett: [00:53:00] I used to have one of those little, uh, H two 64 dongles that took a MPEG compression processing off of your CPU. [00:53:12] Christina: [00:53:12] Yup. Yeah, and I used to have one other ITVS [00:53:15] Brett: [00:53:15] Oh my God. I have that. I still have that it’s out in a box of things that I it’s too late for me to sell them on like Facebook marketplace. But I know if I hold onto it for another 10 years, so they might be classic hardware. [00:53:29]I have one almost new inbox right next to the original Apple TV that I have in that box, [00:53:36] Christina: [00:53:36] that’s awesome. [00:53:37] Brett: [00:53:37] which is right next to the original time machine. Anyway. [00:53:40] Christina: [00:53:40] Yeah. So it was funny during quarantine, I wound up like basically buying almost everything that all Gato makes. Um, I bought one of their green screens, um, and I got [00:53:50] Brett: [00:53:50] you get a key light? [00:53:52] Christina: [00:53:52] I did, I got two of the key light airs and I liked them a [00:53:54] Brett: [00:53:54] I really I’ve been curious about those. [00:53:57] Christina: [00:53:57] They’re really good. Um, you know, [00:54:00] again, you can control it with software either on mobile or, um, you know, on your PC, but also just flat out, you know, the main, you know, Huge brightness is good. [00:54:09] I wanted to get the regular key light, but I got the key light air because that was all that was in stock. Um, I also got their multi mounts, which is kind of like there it’s like 60 bucks once you get all the parts together, but it basically is this thing that you can either clamp it to a desk. It also hasn’t had a heavy base and you can attach basically anything that has, uh, you know, the size of like what would be. [00:54:35] Like a normal sort of, um, I guess, what am I like the tripod type of mounts sort of thing on it. And so you can Mount, you know, your phone, you can Mount CA cameras, you can Mount, you know, certain types of lights, systems, other stuff, it holds a decent amount of weight and it’s really flexible. I can move around and, um, I like that. [00:54:55] I got their green screen. The one that I got, uh, I have it mounted on my [00:55:00] wall. So it’s, it’s not, uh, the one that like you pull up, like it’s when you pull down, but that’s good. I got two of the key, light EHRs. I got the, uh, cam link 4k, which will let you use your DSLR as a webcam. But I also got, because that was sold out when I first tried to buy it and then like an hour or two later, I was able to actually get it. [00:55:20] But they have this capture device, the HD 60 S plus, and you need the plus it’s only at best buy that is technically like a video game pass through kind of streaming system. So you can connect to like your, your switch, your Xbox or PS4 or whatever, and record content from it. But the S plus version, not the S the S plus version has the same, um, Shipping it so that you can use it with a webcam on a Mac and it will, um, work, um, with, with a Mac to be seen as like just a, a normal, um, you know, um, webcam sort of thing. [00:55:56] So, so if you can’t find the cam link, uh, for anybody out [00:56:00] there, um, the HD 60 S plus might be more available. It’s like $30 more, but it’s, it’s fine. Um, [00:56:07]Brett: [00:56:07] S [00:56:08] Christina: [00:56:08] Cause people, people are selling these things for like ridiculous sums of money because of everybody now having to work [00:56:13] Brett: [00:56:13] and you can not find webcams anywhere anymore. [00:56:16] Christina: [00:56:16] no, you can’t. I mean, that’s the thing. [00:56:17] Yeah. [00:56:18] Brett: [00:56:18] have you seen cammo from re incubate studios? [00:56:22] Christina: [00:56:22] I have not. [00:56:23] Brett: [00:56:23] it is an app that turns your iPhone into a webcam. Meaning you get all the quality of your iPhone camera as a webcam. And it is pretty slick. There’s a free version. Uh, the, it just lacks some of the finer controls, but you can use the front facing camera or the rear camera and the pro version cost $40. [00:56:48] You buy it for your Mac and then get the companion app for your phone. And you just plug it in over USB and use, uh, like instead of having the whole DSLR with [00:57:00] the, the interfaces and everything, you can just use your iPhone camera, [00:57:04] Christina: [00:57:04] See, that’s awesome. And that’s, that’s really good. And that’s better for a lot of people because you already have an [00:57:09] Brett: [00:57:09] right? Exactly. Better for me. Cause I’m not going to drop a thousand dollars on looking good on a zoom call. [00:57:17] Christina: [00:57:17] which is what I did, which was stupid. But I was like, I’m going to do it. I’m going to do it right. What actually made me mad [00:57:21] Brett: [00:57:21] Yeah, but you’re, you’re young and beautiful. You have to look good. Me I’m bald and old. No one cares how I look. It’s a pure vanity on my part. [00:57:29]Christina: [00:57:29] Yeah. I mean, this is true. Like, I do need to look a certain way when I’m doing like certain types of recordings, but that said I still spent more than I needed to. Um, so I had a Sony RX, 100 Mark , which does 4k and is a tiny camera, but it’s a very good camera. And was. Like $900, 900 or a thousand dollars when I bought it and still is selling new, I think for, you know, $700 or so, uh, that camera overheats, if you [00:58:00] were trying to use it as a webcam, which I found, I couldn’t use it for more than five minutes, which. [00:58:05] Which was a real problem. And, uh, the five day was supposed to get rid of that like overheating problem. It did not on mine. And I was pretty frustrated with that. And so I had to get a Sony. Okay. 6,400. Um, I didn’t have to, I could’ve gotten a non Fourcade camera. I could’ve spent a lot less money, but I, I went into this place where I was so frustrated by this. [00:58:27] I was like, if I’m going to be spending this much, what’s another a hundred dollars. And then that became was another $200. And, you know, before, you know, you’re spending a thousand dollars on all this shit. Uh, but in my defense, I mean, it’s a complete business right off like 100%, uh, like not even a question because I am not using this for anything, but, but work and, uh, you know, Microsoft build, which was our big developer conference was coming up. [00:58:56] And although when I was hosting. [00:59:00] Most of the hosting stuff I did was from, uh, the studio where they, uh, the studios have been some of the, have been deemed essential and they had, you know, like incredibly like. Safe and well set up, you know, like social distancing and masks and cleanliness, and like really just did a stellar job. [00:59:17] Um, you know, I came in and shot for those things, but a couple of the things that I did, I was recording remotely from my house. And you know, this is our big developer conference. Like this is, you know, like our coven of WWDC. So you don’t want to use your iMac seven 20 P. Webcam for that, you know? And, and I didn’t have something like chemo. [00:59:39] Um, so I might have been aware of it. I think it’s gotten better, but there have been some issues historically, I think with some of those apps working with things like ops or teams or zoom or whatever, but I think in the last few months that’s been worked out. [00:59:55] Brett: [00:59:55] Specifically say it works with teams and with, um, [01:00:00] Skype and zoom. [01:00:02] Christina: [01:00:02] That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Yeah. So on Mac, there’s been this issue and they fixed it. Um, thanks to the open source people, but there has been this issue. There’s this weird thing about however webcams work in NACO S there’s like a certain type of driver that you have to have. And I’ll Gado actually ran into that and yeah. [01:00:18] Was wide the, the, um, cam link 4k and the HD 60 S plus are different than some of their other interfaces. On a Mac, like on a, on windows, it’ll work just fine. Um, if you want to use one of the older interfaces for web cam capture, but there is a weird sort of driver thing that you need for macro West to be used as, um, uh, a webcam input and not everything had it, but, um, OBS was having some major issues on Mac with, uh, Skypes, um, NDI interface and. [01:00:53] The wonderful people there, they did. Somebody figured it out and made it work, which like saved so many people’s [01:01:00] lives. Um, have you played with OBS at all, [01:01:03] Brett: [01:01:03] I have not, [01:01:04] Christina: [01:01:04] um, [01:01:04] Brett: [01:01:04] actually planning to check it out after this because I didn’t even realize it was a thing. [01:01:09] Christina: [01:01:09] Yeah, it’s fantastic. Uh, it is. And what’s great about it is that it is, it is open source. I actually contribute to the Patrion of, um, like the main developers, because they get some money from companies who use their stuff to sell commercial products, but frankly, not as much as they deserve and. The, the windows port is definitely better. [01:01:29] The windows Linux is definitely better than that go West, but there are some people who are doing like legit great work, um, on the, on the back of West version. And it is, it’s pretty awesome. It basically lets you create a TriCaster if you’re familiar with that, uh, on your, like with software. Um, and, and it is yeah, in a lot of ways, like if you look at something like Wirecast pro, which is great, but is. [01:01:53] Over a thousand dollars and out of, you know, reach for a lot of people, certainly out of my reach, [01:02:00] um, OBS is, uh, in, in many cases, um, just as good works really well with the stream deck. Um, It’s primarily, obviously for video stuff, but you could use it for other sorts of recordings too. It’s really cool. Um, you’re, you’re, you’re gonna, you’re gonna dig OBS and the, I have to say again, like I give to their, the Patrion because, um, like lots of tech and some other companies have basically commercial products that they. [01:02:30] Have forked and use a lot of their stuff, which is totally fine. That’s what open source is about. But, um, for things like the NDI drivers, a lot of the max support and things like that, like this is all coming from people who are doing this on not a lot of money, especially compared to what they could be paid. [01:02:46] If they were like full time developers, you know, at big software companies, [01:02:51]Brett: [01:02:51] I will check it out. Can you have things we’re supposed to check out? Did you watch how to build a girl? [01:02:56] Christina: [01:02:56] I did. I did. [01:02:57] Brett: [01:02:57] also watched reality bites [01:03:00] despite somebody not remembering to invite me to their Plex [01:03:03] Christina: [01:03:03] No, I know this is my problem because grant controls the Plex controls. And I’m sorry. I, [01:03:08] Brett: [01:03:08] Damn you grant. [01:03:09] Christina: [01:03:09] I know. I’m sorry. [01:03:10] Brett: [01:03:10] Tell him he’s been telling me he’s been publicly shamed to thousands of listeners. Um, I, uh, I, uh, I think we should save our discussion of those for next week though. [01:03:23] Christina: [01:03:23] I think so. I think so. Yeah. [01:03:25] Brett: [01:03:25] And not just because I have super short attention span cause I’m unmedicated right now, but also because we’re at an hour and you know, you know, I like to keep things tight 60. [01:03:37]Christina: [01:03:37] This is not the talk show, right? [01:03:40] Brett: [01:03:40] Right, right. We have, we have limits. have standards. [01:03:45]Christina: [01:03:45] Episode that I did with, with grouper, um, uh, a couple months ago it was like two and a half hours. [01:03:50] Brett: [01:03:50] Yeah. I can’t, I can’t talk to anyone for that long Yeah. Anyhow. It has been great catching up with you after, after my week of, [01:04:00] of obscene boredom. It’s it’s nice to hear an excited voice. [01:04:06] Christina: [01:04:06] It’s nice to talk to you and I’m super sorry that, um, you have not had your meds, but I’m like crossing my fingers that that will get resolved. [01:04:14] Brett: [01:04:14] At least my doctor didn’t quit. [01:04:16] Christina: [01:04:16] Yeah. It’s yeah, that had to be like the worst. I would have that sort of panic. [01:04:22] Brett: [01:04:22] Yeah. It was [01:04:23] Christina: [01:04:23] That that’s the sort of like thing that I would freak out about. So. [01:04:27] Brett: [01:04:27] Me too. [01:04:28] Christina: [01:04:28] See, here’s what you need to do though. You need to get ELL diagnosed with ADHD, even if she doesn’t have it just so you can have backup beds. [01:04:36]Brett: [01:04:36] Oh yeah. Cause that couldn’t possibly go wrong. I would get busted for that is what I’m saying. Alright, well, um, Our homework for this week then is just to, uh, to remember everything we have to say about these movies. [01:04:52]Christina: [01:04:52] Okay. What I’m going to do is I’m going to rewatch both of them and take notes. [01:04:56]Brett: [01:04:56] I took mental notes on reality bites. I [01:05:00] didn’t take actual notes, I, I I’ve I’ve I have a solid foundation to air some complaints. Cause that’s my, that’s my role in this. I’m the guy who complains, [01:05:10] Christina: [01:05:10] It is. And, and I want to hear, I want to hear your grievances on a reality bites. Um, for sure. I think that we do need to air grievances of a now 26 year old movie. [01:05:22] Brett: [01:05:22] That actually held up. It held up surprisingly well, but we’ll get to that. [01:05:25] Christina: [01:05:25] We will get to that. We will get to that again. We’re not going to go into now, but I do think that Ben Stiller to service more credit than he gets for his life as a film director, that’s all I’m going to say. [01:05:36]Brett: [01:05:36] Right. Well, get some sleep, Christina. [01:05:40] Christina: [01:05:40] get some sleep, right.

Brett works to overcome his Gen-X-ness as he and Christina discuss a Taylor Swift theme park, technical woes, and some classic movies. Show Links I designed a Taylor Swift Theme Park Bring it On Heathers Reality Bites Thanks! You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Christina and Brett-1 [00:00:00]Brett: [00:00:00] Welcome to episode two Oh three of over-tired with Brett Terpstra. That’s me and Christina Warren. How’s it going, Christina? [00:00:08]Christina: [00:00:08] Well, I’ve been having a, I’ve been having some tech issues for the last, like 36 hours. So that’s definitely keeping me up and frustrated at night, but, uh, other than that pretty good. How about you Brett? [00:00:22]Brett: [00:00:22] Well, I’ve been having my own tech issues, but only for the last like two hours. So we’ll have w w we’ll set aside a section of the show. Because we’re going to start with some Taylor Swift stuff that I, I have a surprising amount to say about it, but I don’t want it to be the whole show. [00:00:41]Christina: [00:00:41] Yeah, no, let’s start with this. Cause, cause I sent you this. So, so give, give, give people the, the, the backstory, cause I texted you this, I did not know what your response was going to be and I still don’t. So. [00:00:51] Brett: [00:00:51] Um, okay. So on Wednesday I got a text from Christina that just said must watch for the pod. And it was a link to [00:01:00] a YouTube video titled I designed a Taylor Swift theme park with 60 plus attractions and it was a half hour long video. And I grown, I believe my response was good Lord. And. I, uh, I put off watching it until today until the day we were going to record them, like, Oh shit, I gotta, I gotta do my homework and watch this video. [00:01:25] And it ended up being a, a very soul searching experience for me because like my first reaction was. This guy is insane. Um, the, there should be like medical and everything engine here. And then over the course of watching it two more times, I realized that I have this very gen X, like I’m not allowed to like anything it’s against the rules for me to be excited about anything. [00:01:57] It is uncool. To like things [00:02:00] and that’s my whole generation. That’s where, that’s how we approach all new things. And I realized I don’t love that. I, I don’t, I don’t want that to be my legacy. So I’m going to look at this. Let’s pretend this guy is my kid. Let’s pretend I have a kid who’s displaying this amount of creativity, this amount of passion about something. [00:02:21] There’s no way I wouldn’t love it. And so I kind of, I watched it again with the kind of the perspective of. This kid is like crazy creative, super going like his attention to detail on this is, is it’s frightening, but it’s, it’s impressive. And ultimately, I came out with a bunch of notes about my favorite parts of it. [00:02:41] So what did you think Christina? [00:02:45]Christina: [00:02:45] I’m a millennial who was, was told that everything, um, that I feel in do is ballad and that I should be special. Um, even though, uh, I I’ve been telling my shrink since I was 19 years old, that I wanted to write a book called [00:03:00] you are not special. Um, uh, you know, a love letter to my generation. Um, I, uh, I obviously didn’t, I didn’t grow up with that whole perspective of like, you have to hate everything. [00:03:11] In fact, I think that I’m not the same extent that gen Z, which this kid is, uh, but you know, we, we tend to like things and embrace things a lot. So my, my take was, I was just like, this is so creative. This is so insane. I was with you when I first, when I saw it on Twitter, I was like, Oh, I’m going to watch this. [00:03:29] And then I saw it was like 30 minutes and I was like, God damn. I love Taylor Swift. I love what this does, but this is 30 minutes. This is going to be a lot, so found time to do it. And then I was like, okay, I’m, I’m here for all of this. This is genius. And I just to, I want somebody to like, make it in like the Sims or rollercoaster tycoon or, you know, something like that. [00:03:51]Brett: [00:03:51] Okay. So. It starts out with a, well, he goes through the whole, the entrance to the park and everything, but one of the [00:04:00] first things he talks about yeah. Is, uh, the bad blood Swiss cycle. Like it’s a ride where you’re actually on the motorcycles from bad blood. And that immediately, that’s a good idea. [00:04:12] That is like certain, certain Taylor songs or certain Taylor video, I should say. We’re kind of made for adaptation into theme park rides. It gets way more abstract from there, but there were touches the stay, stay, stay. Hotel was great. Get these little Easter eggs. And, uh, he talked about, this is a thing I didn’t know existed, but Taylor’s inner circle. [00:04:36] This group of people that apparently have Oliver albums well in advance and all the B sides and everything, whatever. But he hid like a circle. There’s just, it’s just a circle in the [00:04:49] Christina: [00:04:49] Yeah. It’s just a circle for them. Yeah, [00:04:51] Brett: [00:04:51] that represents Taylor’s inner circle. Some of it was a bit on the nose, but, um, I had a question. [00:04:58] At one point, [00:05:00] he, he has an attraction that starts out with a live spelling bee where you learn that spelling is fun. What is that a reference to. [00:05:08] Christina: [00:05:08] So in the single me that came out in 2019 with Brandon Yuri. The fandom universally hated the song wasn’t that successful. There was initially an interstitial in the song where she was like, Hey, kids, spelling is fun. And, and, and then they go, you know, um, you know, uh, Uh, and then they of like spelling words out because you, you know, uh, cause you can’t spell awesome without me, you know? [00:05:36] Uh, and so that’s what, that’s our fun, stupid. What was funny is that she clearly heard the feedback from the fans who were very vocal about hating that or making fun of that interstitial because regular people don’t care. It was Stan, Twitter and tumbler. That was like just, you know, an honestly, not even like vocally hating on it so much, just like. [00:05:58] Like making memes and [00:06:00] making fun of it. Uh, she clearly saw that because when the album came out, the interstitial was removed from the song. Like that one line, Hey, kids spelling is fun, was actually removed from the song. So on the album, you can’t hear that anymore. So that’s [00:06:13] Brett: [00:06:13] Peer pressure. [00:06:14] Christina: [00:06:14] great. [00:06:15] No, totally. But also that was a bad song. I like Brandon URI a whole lot. Uh, and that was, I’ll never forget. I was in, I was, was I in Amsterdam or was I, uh, no, I was in Stockholm. I was in Stockholm when, which is perfect because, you know, I had like Stockholm syndrome, basically. I was in Stockholm when the song was released. [00:06:34] And honestly, my gut instinct was to be like, what is this? But because it’s Taylor, I had to be, I had to like find a way to convince myself that I was like into it and loved it and was super excited even though like in my deep heart of hearts, I was not feeling it. Um, I want to be liking much of the rest of the album when that came out, but that first song, man, that was, uh, that was a struggle. [00:07:00] [00:06:59] Uh, and so, uh, yeah, so that’s, that’s the spelling bee. [00:07:02] Brett: [00:07:02] Okay. Um, he had a lounge set aside for people who hadn’t met Taylor Swift, which there were certain areas of the park that he made sure to let us know. We’re going to have limited capacity like this, this section is for real thrill seekers. That’s why it has a limited capacity. And to me, when you’re planning out a very fantastical theme park planning in advance for like your, the lines and the waiting queues and everything that is that’s kind of genius, but he had a lounge that he didn’t put a capacity limit on. [00:07:36] That was for people who hadn’t met Taylor Swift, that seemed. Has Taylor Swift met a lot more people than I think. [00:07:43]Christina: [00:07:43] Well, she does historically, like maybe not as much anymore, but she does do that at least with her diehard fans where she meets them. And I’m like, I think that there was something she did one time where she did like, I don’t know, like 13 hours straight of a meet and greet. [00:08:00] And this was after she was already really famous where, you know, she was in Nashville and like sat someplace and took photos and met people for like 13 hours straight, which, um, you know what, even if you’re really. [00:08:13] Even if you’re not famous, that’s a lot, but if you’re really famous and even if it is partially just kind of a PR exercise, that’s impressive. Cause I honestly can’t imagine like just the emotional toll of having to be on for that long. Uh, she does meet people, uh, and she does these things that she’s done for the last few years. [00:08:31] Uh, she obviously didn’t do it with the latest album where she has these secret sessions, where she invites, you know, select bands to her houses where they’ll hear the album in advance. Um, I think what he was probably referring to is I’m guessing here, I don’t know, is that at least, especially with like the diehard Swifties and I’m not one of them. [00:08:52] I mean, I keep up with their antiques online because it’s interesting to me, but I’m clearly both too old and too like, uh, abused by the [00:09:00] whole thing to actually be part of it where they, they keep track of the same people that get to meet her more than once. And, um, there’s like, Oh, there there’s incredible amounts of, of axed and drama over that. [00:09:13] So she’s met a lot of people, but I think that this was probably more a reference to, you know, the fact that it seems like there are certain fans that she meets that have like four photos with her and Taylor nation, like her fan site people or whatever, who handle a lot of that. Like apparently there are supposed to be rules where, you know, you can’t have met Taylor. [00:09:34] You know, within the last, however many years, you know, to be able to get a meet and greet opportunity again. Um, but they don’t police that cause how could you police that? Right? So that the fans try to be like the police, like, well, no, she met her drain, you know, this era and dah, dah, dah. I know he has four photos with her and dah, dah, dah, dah. [00:09:52] And I’m like, dude, Taylor doesn’t know any of these people. Like she smiled and took a photo, honestly. She [00:10:00] took a photo and was like smiled. And honestly the fact that she had to go to court. Because when she did a meet and greet a radio, DJ grabbed her ass and then sued her when he was fired. And she had to like go through that whole thing. [00:10:13] I think that we should be happy that she meets and takes photos with anyone at all. Because like I tell you what if that happened to me? And I had hundreds of millions of dollars and I had to go to court because someone, some older dude like violated me and then had the nerve to Sue me when he was fired for his actions. [00:10:29] No way in hell I would ever do any sort of like. You know, public meet and greet ever again. [00:10:35]Brett: [00:10:35] Yeah, no, I [00:10:36] Christina: [00:10:36] that’s my own aside [00:10:38] Brett: [00:10:38] There’s some, you’ve just described a whole bunch of really entitled people. [00:10:43]Christina: [00:10:43] and teenagers. Yes. Which this guy I think is like 21. So, so I include him in this a little bit, but yeah. [00:10:51] Brett: [00:10:51] Um, so she, she goes through every album. Like every album has a, uh, a land there’s lover land and [00:11:00] in 1989 land. And, um, he eventually gets to, and he, he says at the beginning that he kind of had to like folklore came out after he had designed this park. So he had to. Uh, revamp the whole thing to fit folklore in a, which feels to me like he’s not planning for the future. [00:11:19] Cause clearly she’s putting out more albums, but, uh, the folklore river ride is the only place where it got a little bit literal, uh, for my taste. Uh, he had like a movie theater just so that you could see people exiting the side door based on one line of a song. And the piano player is specifically wearing Levi’s jeans again in reference to a single line. His reference for the lakes was a Lake and he a tight rope with mirror balls on it. [00:11:51] Like all of these very literal or literal interpretations of lines from songs, it was a little worrisome there. [00:11:58]Christina: [00:11:58] Yeah. See, I have a [00:12:00] feeling that this was, you know, what that felt like to me, it was like, okay, you’ve done this project. You’ve, you’re finished. This, this thing comes out of nowhere. And now you have to like, suddenly. Like, you know, pivot and, and you don’t have time. Like, you don’t have the emotional energy to go back and recreate and redesign things. [00:12:18] You just need to make it work. So you’re just like, literally I have a feeling, he was probably like had like, you know, rap genius up and was like going through the lyrics. And it was like, all right, what do I need for this? And just, you know, like it was literally, the project is due tomorrow and it’s 11:00 [00:12:34] Brett: [00:12:34] Well, and he had years to work on the rest of it. He clearly had been thinking about it for a long time, and now he’s got like a month to put together, uh, for folklore land. [00:12:45] Christina: [00:12:45] exactly. So I’m with you. I love that one. Not as best work. Uh, also I agree with you, like, he has not thought about expansion, like, you know, think like Walt Disney think like, uh, think like the, you know, the theme park, people think like, you know, um, the, the Roy’s [00:13:00] in succession, like you have to think about how you’re going to expand your theme park. [00:13:05] Um, And, uh, and at least at the very least have like areas that you could connect to other plots of land so that you can have the second half of Harry Potter world, or, you know, Disney, California adventure, or whatever the case may be, because yeah, she’s going to need her own Epcot at some point, she’s going to need her own, um, you know, like other, uh, you know, the, the, the, the Simpson’s world and universal studios, like she’s going to need her own, uh, additional areas because. [00:13:33] I mean, awesome. Awesome. Like, I feel like there could have been an entire dedicated experience just to cats, even though that was terrible. Like, I just feel like that was something that, that, that should have had a thing to like, honestly like the theater. Okay. Actually, that’s what he should have done the theater for folklore, a unit for that thing. [00:13:49] The thing is the theater. You you’re forced to watch cats. That’s what that is. That’s what that ride is. And that’s why it’s the most terrifying ride in the entire park is you have to sit and watch cats [00:14:00] and that’s it. [00:14:01] Brett: [00:14:01] He, uh, he had a, you need to calm down trailer park right next to the pop queen pageant with the meet and greet for all of the drag queen pop stars. Yeah, I w w okay. Tell me about Taylor and Katz. [00:14:17]Christina: [00:14:17] She loves them. [00:14:18] Brett: [00:14:18] D is this a common topic for her? [00:14:21] Christina: [00:14:21] Yes. [00:14:22] Brett: [00:14:22] Cause he had the state of grace performance palace with cat shows. Okay. [00:14:27] So the, the one that I think at first, I was like, that’s ridiculous and stupid. And then I caught myself and said, wait a second. This is actually kind of genius. Was this speak now snowplow attraction, where you drive a snowplow and your goal is to pile up snow in front of the church, still to delay the man. [00:14:53] The wedding so that Taylor can tell him how she really feels and, and he had it. So [00:15:00] there there’s only so many different tracks to snowplow can wait or take. And it always, it always has a happy ending, not for the guy, but for Taylor. And, but like this idea that it’s, you it’s interactive. Like you still, you get to make choices in this whole, uh, fantasy, winter Wonderland that he has inside this building. [00:15:21] No, it was not. [00:15:22]Christina: [00:15:22] Yeah. Yeah, no, I liked that. I liked that. I really did. Like, as you put it, it’s like, it’s not a happy ending for anybody, but Taylor, you know, uh, the poor girl who thinks that she’s gonna marry the guy, right? Like no one ever, no one ever thinks about bad girl in the, in this speak now song like. No, no one ever thinks about her at like, you know, just, I mean, which makes sense. [00:15:44] I mean, that, that’s the person that, uh, that we don’t want to think of as similar to, uh, to, to, to friends, which is one of Taylor’s favorite shows where, you know, when, when Rachel, um, W when Ross said, I take the Rachel, uh, at, in the wedding vows and everybody dies. [00:16:00] Uh, you know, nobody really thinks about the poor Emily. [00:16:02] Everybody’s just like, yeah, we didn’t like her. Just get her out of there. And that was me I’m with them. I’m like, yeah, screw Emily. But then you go back and you watch the show and you’re like, well, Ross really ruined her life. And, and like, it was just entertainment for removal. Like Ross really ruined her life. [00:16:17] Like, you know, she was going to like, yeah, anyway, [00:16:21] Brett: [00:16:21] Yeah, you gotta, you gotta know who you’re cheering for, ultimately. Um, so in short to summarize. This, uh, this very, uh, savant video, um, that I’m, I’m not diagnosing anything. Like he seems like a very nice kid. Uh, I, it, it leads to some questions for me, but I learned more about Taylor Swift through this, uh, theme park visitation of her albums. [00:16:52] Then I did, uh, talking to you for how many years now. [00:16:58] Christina: [00:16:58] Exactly six. [00:17:00] Yeah, no I I’m with you. And like, I’m not going to diagnose anybody either, because it’s not fair. I, but savant, like, I definitely think like if there was a spectrum thing would not be surprised. Uh, uh, very impressed though. This is one of I, I saw it and I was like, This is insane. And we have to talk about this because I didn’t think that you would take it this seriously. [00:17:21] And I loved it. Like you got this into it, because my whole thing, I was just like I would there’s I try to think I’m like, okay, Christina, is this ever anything you would have spent this much time on? And I don’t know. I think maybe if I were really into theme parks and I were like 13 or [00:17:39] Brett: [00:17:39] Yeah, that’s exactly it. I would have absolutely done this when I was 10. [00:17:44] Christina: [00:17:44] Yeah. Yeah. Like, especially if like the, with the pandemic, when like you can’t go anywhere and you have nothing to do, like, this is the sort of thing that I would have done. Right. Uh, he’s a little bit older, which is also why it’s better. But I do honestly have to say, like, by the time I was his age, [00:18:00] no, we would not have done it. [00:18:02] Having said that very glad that he did, because it’s fun to think about. And now I’m hoping that other people who have more time. And passions in this than me genuinely do like make a digital version of this in rollercoaster tycoon or the Sims or, or something grant that Datto, um, you know, any of the open world kind of moddable games, because I feel like that would be really cool. [00:18:25]Brett: [00:18:25] Yeah. So, [00:18:27] Christina: [00:18:27] I definitely, I definitely want to like be, I definitely want like some sort of mod at least of the bad, bad blood, you know, motorcycles. [00:18:34] Brett: [00:18:34] yeah, I would play that, that video is fun. That was the tailor. That was the tailor I can most easily appreciate. Always. [00:18:42] Christina: [00:18:42] well that’s peak Taylor. [00:18:44]Brett: [00:18:44] Um, so I’m getting all these notifications from Slack right now because my friend, uh, Harold Chris Harold, his name’s Christopher, but he goes by Harold. So we just call him Harold, Chris, Harold. [00:18:56] Um, Uh, you may know him as Harold Dena on [00:19:00] Twitter. Anyway, he’s telling me that, uh, listening to our last overtired, he says, the more I listened to the two of you, the more I’m convinced I have ADHD. And I have to say, uh, if there’s one thing that this show exists for is to very casually and unprofessionally allow people to self diagnose themselves with mental conditions. [00:19:21]Christina: [00:19:21] That’s exactly it, it is, it is absolutely. I will Sue, I will Sue. Um, and also, you know, like Harold, Chris, Harold, I don’t know if you have ADHD or not only a doctor can tell you that, but, uh, but you probably do. Cause I think most people do so, uh, welcome to the family. [00:19:39]Brett: [00:19:39] Oh, we’re, we’re not good for the mental health community. Apparently. get up, get a lot of people to pay that $800 for the test though. [00:19:47]Christina: [00:19:47] Mean, see if only we got like residuals off of that. [00:19:51]Brett: [00:19:51] Right. Um, I, I, I’m afraid that’s how too much of the medical industry works already. [00:19:57] Christina: [00:19:57] I agree with you. And I think technically [00:20:00] that’s supposed to be illegal, but it exists anyway. Unfortunately it would be, for some reason, we wouldn’t be able to do that, but yeah. [00:20:06]Brett: [00:20:06] Yeah. So. As I was taking these notes on, on this, uh, Taylor Swift theme park, my phone started move it, touching the screen on its own. Like it, like the back button would be hit when I was in the middle of typing or the app would exit in the middle of typing and not quit. Like you would actually, it would look like I had swiped up from the bottom. [00:20:32] The screen had shrunk a little and then it had shrunk down and then the icons on the springboard would start wobbling. Like I had pressed and held them. And meanwhile, I’m not touching the screen at all. And it’s just moving around, uh, opening folders, closing folders, like ghosts and. Like a really clumsy ghost, I guess, but, uh, but have [00:20:53] Christina: [00:20:53] Or a drunk ghost? [00:20:55] Brett: [00:20:55] ever seen this happen before? [00:20:56]Christina: [00:20:56] No, [00:20:57] Brett: [00:20:57] Cause I rebooted twice and it’s still [00:21:00] happening. I’m hoping it’s just something to do with the beta that I’m stupidly on [00:21:05]Christina: [00:21:05] yeah, let’s talk about that. I’m on the beta two. Are you on the dev beta or are you on the developer beta or were you on the user? Beta. [00:21:11] Brett: [00:21:11] dev beta. [00:21:13] Christina: [00:21:13] Okay. Same. And you’re on, you’re on, you’re on an iPhone 11, right? [00:21:18] Brett: [00:21:18] Yeah, no 10. [00:21:21] Christina: [00:21:21] Okay. I’m on an 11, uh, pro and, uh, I’m not having that issue, but I have had at least with the latest way of the one that came out this week, I’ve had a bunch of springboard crashes, like, like more than I’ve had in a while. Um, this beta for the most part has actually been pretty stable, especially compared to last year. [00:21:43] Uh, because I stupidly even after last year’s debacle decided to do it this year. Um, but, and that was, I think in part, because iOS 13 in general has just not been a good release, but, uh, so I’ve had things where like, I’ll be in an app, [00:22:00] everything will be fine. And then all of a sudden the screen will go black and you know, the little spinny thing will happen because the springboard has hard crashed, and then it’ll take like 30 seconds. [00:22:09] The phone will come back and I can go back to the app. And interestingly, the app saved state will be exactly where I left it. So I won’t lose anything. Uh, but springboard is hard crash, but I haven’t had this Phantom touch thing. That is interesting. That could be a hardware thing, [00:22:27] Brett: [00:22:27] Like just, just to be clear. So I took the case off. I rebooted it, I cleaned the screen, so it feels like a hardware thing. And the touches seemed to happen at specific places on the screen. Like somehow it frequently is able, you know, when you go into an app from another app and it gives you the little back button and the very upper left, it’s somehow manages to hit that all the time. [00:22:51] But if I try to hit it manually, I can’t, which makes me think there’s something going on with this screen. [00:22:57] Christina: [00:22:57] Yeah, that makes, that sounds like the digitizer. Perhaps [00:23:00] it could be a beta thing. I mean, maybe software’s making it worse, but the fact that it happens consistently and you know, certain parts of the screen does make me think, like it might be a digitizer thing. Um, [00:23:13] Brett: [00:23:13] My girlfriend, my girlfriend cracked the screen of her iPhone eight and, uh, she had a Syrian protection on it. And so she sent, they sent her a loner. She sent in her, her smashed screen. And a week later she gets a box in the mail and she opens it up and it’s her smashed screen phone, but with a glass plate over it. Well, and that was our reaction, but also the glass plate didn’t have a hole to get to the button. And it wasn’t touch sensitive. So not only was it, it wasn’t just a screen protector. It was actually like, it looked like it was, it was put on there to keep the glass in place while they sent it for actual screen replacement, but they sent it back to her instead. [00:24:00] So I think we have that all taken care of. Now, she spent like three more hours on the phone trying to get this figured out, but I don’t, that’s why I’m hoping it’s a beta thing and not a hardware thing. Cause I don’t want to deal with replacements. [00:24:13]Christina: [00:24:13] Yeah, no, I don’t blame you. And like, in, in a typical thing, like, especially cause it’s an iPhone 10, so it’s older. I feel again, just take it to anybody who is kind of reputable and has the parts, but I don’t know how open stuff is in your areas. Even get repairs. [00:24:30] Brett: [00:24:30] Oh, yeah, we don’t really have, I guess there’s one guy like that’s authorized about half hour from here, but. [00:24:36]Christina: [00:24:36] best buy is authorized now, but you know, that’s, uh, your mileage may vary with that, but at least they are authorized to do, you know, phone repairs and stuff. Um, but yeah, uh, yeah, th that complicates things. I don’t blame you. I hope it’s, uh, I hope it’s a software thing too. Um, Other than that, other than the screen moving, like, have you had other [00:25:00] issues with the, with the beta. [00:25:01] Brett: [00:25:01] Um, mostly aesthetic stuff like, um, The Twitter app is it’s still messed up, uh, ever since I installed the beta. Uh, but that’s more, uh, I would say Twitter’s fault at this point. Um, but just little quirks on the screen that seemed to get it. They seem to improve with every beta release. Uh, so I haven’t been filing reports like a good boy. [00:25:26] I’ve been just kind of patiently waiting. [00:25:29]Christina: [00:25:29] Yeah. I, uh, the only thing that I’ve like obsessively filed things over and they have at least fixed it a little. But was the changes they made to the alarms app, um, are bad and make it more difficult for you to set the alarm. At least now they have, re-introduced the kind of slider mechanism to set the time. [00:25:48] Um, you know, like in the old app. So I haven’t weirdly, I haven’t updated it on my iPad pro I’ve only put the beta on my iPhone, but yeah. You know, like for the end of, you know, [00:26:00] since the beginning of time how the alarm app has worked is that you get. You know, like three or like, I guess, um, yeah, like, like, like three different areas where you have, you can kind of cycle through by scrolling your finger. [00:26:11] And it’s kind of like a, um, like a wheel sort of motif to set the time of your alarm. And it’s, it’s really consistent and, um, works real well for me. Um, and, and I’m, I’m used to it. It’s fast. What they’ve done though, is that now I guess they’re like, Oh, well, wouldn’t it just be easier if you could type in. [00:26:30] You know, the time that you want. And sure. I guess the problem is, is that in the early betas where you would need to type would, uh, not correspond with what you were trying to change. If I was trying to add 15 minutes to, you know, a time probably trying to like increase the hour by something, it would, you know, take me to a different thing. [00:26:52] And I, and I’ve, I’ve got a, you know, it was just a pain. So now they have at least re-introduced, um, a smaller. Um, [00:27:00] kind of a wheel sort of mechanism to set the line. So that’s better. So I can stop filing bug reports on that now. But, uh, that was like the one that they were probably really tired of seeing them from me. [00:27:12] Cause I was filing one, like every single thing, I was like this, but I was like, this is bad. This is a regression. Like, this is not good. Uh, other than that, yeah, the, the widgets keep improving, but there are little bugs and UI things with that. But other than that, I have to say I’ve been, I’ve been largely impressed, but that also feels like Stockholm syndrome [00:27:34] Brett: [00:27:34] Yeah. [00:27:34]Christina: [00:27:34] 13 was so bad that, you know, I’m kind of like, well, if it’s not crashing and making my life miserable and taking everything with me and, uh, you know, drain my battery, then like I’m, I’m amazed. [00:27:49] So [00:27:50] Brett: [00:27:50] I do. I love the idea of having widgets on my home screen, like in, with all my folders and icons, but I have not found a good use for [00:28:00] it yet. [00:28:00]Christina: [00:28:00] Yeah, same. I’m the exact same position. So I have them on like one screen and I don’t do anything else. I do like the app library a lot. I like that a lot. I, I do. Um, but I have tons of apps and I have way too many pages. And so this has been a good way to just sort of. You know, get rid of all of that. And then I can just choose certain apps that I want. [00:28:22] The only thing that’s frustrating is, and they got rid of this years ago and it still annoys me is that there was a time when you could use iTunes on your Mac to organize your home screen. And that was so much faster because if I had a keyboard and a mouse, you know, and I could drag things or I could search from things and I could just kind of put it aside, it made it way easier to organize, but now it’s still like, You know, even though the app library is really nice and I like how it auto organizes stuff, there are certain things that I’m going to want to organize and have myself, but it’s really difficult still to like search, find where the app is, [00:29:00] what screen is on awareness and the app library located, you know, breast and hold and then drag it to the screen. [00:29:06] You want it on? Like, it’s just, it’s really not ideal. So I, that still annoys [00:29:12] Brett: [00:29:12] you know about the two finger thing? If you press and hold till it jiggles and then use another finger, you don’t have to drag to the edge of the screen to move between pages. I guess that’s [00:29:25] Christina: [00:29:25] know what I think [00:29:25] Brett: [00:29:25] to most people, it was new to me. [00:29:28] Christina: [00:29:28] no, I think I did know that, but I think I’ve forgotten that. So I appreciate that reminder because that will likely make things easier. Uh, I know, I [00:29:36] Brett: [00:29:36] helps a little, but still organizing with your fingers is not fun. I do do it obsessive really though. My all, I have hundreds of apps, all organized into folders by verb, like for what they do. I have folders like consume control, explore, filter, learn, and everything is sorted. And therefore. The app library is unintuitive to me because I [00:30:00] already, I already have a very similar system set up per finding the apps I use. [00:30:05] I even have one that is recent. He added that is stuff that if I, if I use, if it’s in reading recently added and I start using it a bunch, then it gets moved into a real folder. [00:30:16] Christina: [00:30:16] See see, that’s good. Okay. So on my iPad, I have that done, right. Um, but on my phone, because I have, I guess, done like the, the clean, you know, install less recently. On my phone. That’s not the case. So on my phone, I, you know, it wasn’t a place where I was like, there were, you know, just dozens, maybe even hundreds. [00:30:39] I don’t even know how many apps that were not organized. I used to obsessively organize them and then I stopped. And if you don’t keep up with it, at least I’ve found, it becomes very, very difficult to go back. And to the point that usually my solution is to just the next time I get a new phone. Set it up as a new device [00:31:00] and then re-install apps manually and put them in those folders the way that I want, which is what I had to do with my iPad actually. [00:31:06] And that’s why my iPad and I had the same way. Like I don’t have burbs, but I have similar things. I’ve code, you know, browsers, streaming, Google, you know, stylists, remotes, you know, news, you know, like finance, like I have all that type of stuff set up. And so I’m a similar situation with you where at least in my iPad, it’s super fluid. [00:31:27] But on my phone where I haven’t been able to do that, it, it can be kind of useful. Um, [00:31:34]Brett: [00:31:34] Thing frequently where they clearly want to get away from the idea of like a file system. Or, or even a desktop full of icons. And I mean, spotlight has always had the goal of, um, making it easy to find files without having to go through thousands of folders. And I feel like they’re constantly improving spotlight on iOS and the app library feels like they’re [00:32:00] when they did remember launchpad. [00:32:02] Do you ever use launchpad? [00:32:03]Christina: [00:32:03] No, but I remember it. [00:32:05] Brett: [00:32:05] Um, it’s still there for [00:32:07] Christina: [00:32:07] Yeah. I know. [00:32:08] Brett: [00:32:08] actually use it, but it feels like they’re trying that same tact on the iPhone and maybe it’ll work better. Like if, if it impresses people like you, who, who have that many apps and it’s helpful, maybe they’re getting it right this time, I guess, launchpad didn’t do didn’t bother organizing things for you, but it did give you a type ahead. [00:32:32] Search for launching apps. So I got it [00:32:37] Christina: [00:32:37] Yeah. Yeah. Launchpad was weird because launchpad was that came out in Lyon, I believe. And it was such a clear, like this isn’t, this is something that we’ve taken from iOS and, uh, you know, This is the sort of thing that would be good on a touchscreen device, more than it is with, you know, a mouse cursor. [00:32:57] The only thing I’ve ever used launchpad [00:33:00] for has been Ben to delete something from the Mac app store, because it’s much easier to find the app that way and then click and hold and click on the X button to do that on the so like that’s literally the only thing I use. Yeah. Launch pad for. Um, my fear with app library is that. [00:33:20] It might be one of those things that’s useful, but unintuitive to the regular people that could actually get use out of it, meaning that like their discovery of it might like if it’s because it’s by default at the very end of your screens, you might not know it exists and they might not make it clear to be like, Hey, you can delete these other app screens and your apps. [00:33:44] Aren’t going to go away. Um, You know, I think, I think that’s going to be the challenge they’re going to have is like, how do you get regular people to kind of know that this, this can be another option, like in a weird way, it would almost be beneficial if they had a launch pad type of button, [00:34:00] um, or at least like big folder launcher that you could put on one of your other home screens that would take you into that view. [00:34:07] Uh, you know, which is what Android does. [00:34:11] Brett: [00:34:11] Oh, this is cool. It gives me a test flight folder. All of my test flight apps are automatically corralled together. That, uh, I’ll I’ll, I’ll give it that that’s handy. [00:34:22] Christina: [00:34:22] Yeah, I do. I do have to say, like, I wouldn’t necessarily pick all the organizations the way that they do, but I have noticed in the last few beta updates that it’s gotten smarter and better, uh, similar to the way that, uh, the photos app does a pretty good job with kind of its automatic collections. Like, you know, when they introduced the screenshots one. [00:34:42] I was like, because I’d had my own screenshots folder and like I’d had like a, a mechanism that I would go through for years where I would find screenshots and put them into a specific place, um, using some Python or whatever. And I was like, Oh, cool. Don’t have to do that anymore. That’s real nice. [00:34:57] Brett: [00:34:57] Yeah. Yeah, they get it [00:35:00] right once in a while. So what you were saying, you had some, uh, some Catalina stuff going on [00:35:06]Christina: [00:35:06] yeah, so I hate Catalina. It is, it is the worst. It is the worst Mac operating system, I think that I’ve ever used. Um, yeah. Yeah. Uh, I, you know, when it came out because of all the different permission stuff, people were comparing it to the Microsoft Vista to windows Vista rather. And, and I thought that that was after the time, but I actually think that that’s unfair to Vista because Vista was bad. [00:35:33] Vista Vista was bad. Uh, but Vista was bad primarily because a, the stupid, you know, like, um, you know, permission system, but also it, it required more horsepower than the machines that people were using it on. And even some of the machines that was sold on and, you know, like you needed a really good graphics card from the Aero glass and it just, you know, it was a mess in that way, but. [00:35:58] You know, within a few years, [00:36:00] once computers got more powerful and whatnot, like it was, it was OK. And, and they, they, you know, cut down on some of the most egregious stuff with windows seven, which I think, you know, most people have kind of considered like the, the like ideal, um, windows release at least of a certain type. [00:36:17] You know, it was, it was, uh, maybe not like as good as. Maca West, but it certainly was like, if you’re going to use windows, like this is like the platonic ideal of, of, um, you know, windows from kind of the, the XP, uh, era. And like, I guess that, that version of the kernel era or whatever. Um, so yeah, I think that it’s, but, but, but Vista, you know, had some decent things. [00:36:41] I, uh, I think the Catalina, the, the better analogy frankly, is, uh, the, the windows millennium edition windows, Emmy. Uh, which is, I still have, like, this is now coming on 20 years. I have significant [00:37:00] anger issues about from being like a high school student who bought the upgrade for cheap and installed it and watched it do terrible things to my system, to the point that I had to re-install windows 98. [00:37:12] Second edition. And when I did that, I was trying to back up my email and I backed up the wrong folder because outlook change where they, you know, sort of database too. And I lost four years of email, which I’m still mad about. So, uh, and, and what does it mean was so bad that it came pre-installed on the machines that. [00:37:29] We used when we went to college, which like happened right when XP came out and, uh, I, I booted that computer, uh, that came with windows and me, and it came with, uh, like a free, you know, future release of XP. They’re like, okay, we’ll mail you, you know, XP, um, in the future so that you can upgrade. Uh, and, um, I literally booted that computer with, with windows me on at one time. [00:37:54] And that one time was just so I could insert the burned. Uh, like windows XP, [00:38:00] like a leak that had the, the, um, serial key that everybody used on the internet like that, once somebody, somebody found it, this was like the first week of school before the classes even started somebody. Um, one of my friends had that burned it on. [00:38:15] A CDR wrote the cereal on the, um, you know, the paper sleeve gave that to me. And that was the only time I ever booted that operating system on that machine. And then I used that CDR to upgrade all of my roommates computers and about half the other people in the dorms. And that was how I met friends. [00:38:33] Like my first week of college was putting XP on people’s computers. Well, it was, it was that, and it was awesome either net ports, because people, not every computer you bought would automatically have an ethernet port at that time. Like it should have, but they didn’t. So many of them still came with modems instead, and kids didn’t realize that. [00:38:51] And I was like, Oh, okay, well you need to spend $30. And get this card and they’re like, well, how do I open up my machines? How do I open up my Dell or whatever? And I’m like, I got you. [00:39:00] Um, and so, you know, and I worked at best buy, so I could even get a discount, you know, on either net card. So I would just go and I was just like load up, you know, on ethernet cars. [00:39:09] And then just, and that was how I met people, you know? So I was just like, I was just like the girl that was going to fix their computers. Um, but yeah, so I think that this is Catalina has been the windows Amy of, of Mac. Operating systems for me. And I hate saying that, but we’re almost a year into it and I’ve never had a worse operating system experience on a mat in my life. [00:39:31]Brett: [00:39:31] I I’ve. Other than the permissions issues you mentioned, which were frequent and annoying, um, uh, I don’t know, honestly, I’ve really loved Catalina. [00:39:42]Christina: [00:39:42] Yeah, I don’t, you know, and I’ve heard that from, from a number of people, people who haven’t had my issues, but then I’ve talked to people who have had the issues where I don’t know, there’s weird stuff that happens with audio. This is like the third time I’ve had to do a complete reformat on this laptop and it’s a 2017 Mac book pro. [00:39:56] So it’s not, you know, the latest and greatest, but it’s, [00:40:00] it’s not like I’m on a 2014 or something. You know what I mean? Like. Well, I mean, I’m just saying like, which I think is that way, is that what you’re on? Are you [00:40:09] Brett: [00:40:09] No, I’m on a I’m on a 2019. [00:40:12] Christina: [00:40:12] okay. That’s what I thought I was like. Yeah. So, but right. But I mean, I’m not like trying, but this isn’t a situation where I’m trying to, where you could make the argument. [00:40:19] Oh, well, you’re, you’re just trying to put too much on this and I’m like, no, I’m, I’m, I’m really not like this machine has, has a 16 gigs of Ram and. You know, um, should be capable of doing whatever Catalina wants. Like it’s not a hardware thing. Um, there’s just something with either my setup or the apps that I use, where just with audio, I get issues. [00:40:43] I get crashes. Uh, I still run into stuff with home brew sometimes. But that’s mostly, uh, figure things out, but, um, what’ll happen is I’ll just start getting kernel panics and the kernel panics. And maybe this is a hardware thing. I don’t know. Maybe I’m maybe I’m unfairly blaming Catalina, [00:41:00] but you know, if it wasn’t happening in Mojave is all I know. [00:41:04] And, and I get like curl panics. Um, but there’s not really kind of a discernible, uh, you know, like thing that I can find why it’s happening. And then I wind up having to. Uh, just kind of do a full re-install and it winds up happening at very inopportune times. So like I never even put it on my iMac. I kept Mojave on my iMac. [00:41:25] Brett: [00:41:25] I do have this thing where if I unplug my Mac book pro from my Thunderbolt doc, uh, the screen, doesn’t always flip back over and about 90% of the time with the screen, doesn’t flip back over within the first 30 seconds after I unplug it, it just shuts down. And, and boots back up with a, your computer was restarted due to a problem. [00:41:51] Um, but I’ve always assumed that was a hardware thing. Um, [00:41:55] Christina: [00:41:55] I think that, I think that’s a, what, what doc are you [00:41:58] Brett: [00:41:58] the Cal digit, [00:42:00] the [00:42:00] Christina: [00:42:00] Ts three plus, [00:42:02] Brett: [00:42:02] something I don’t dunno, it’s [00:42:03] Christina: [00:42:03] yeah, I have the same doc. [00:42:05] Brett: [00:42:05] digit one. [00:42:06]Christina: [00:42:06] It’s the best one. So if they’ve done a good job, like I would check to make sure you have the latest firmware on that, but they’ve, they’ve done a good job. There’s something weird with Thunderbolt. Um, from what I can gather, Apple is very, very like precise on the specifications that it uses for anything involving video. [00:42:29] And, and this has always been the case. So, uh, I remember when the Mac pro came out, the trashcan Mac pro came out, you know, the, one of the big things was the biggest support for K displays. And so when I got my review unit Apple, um, they got me, they, they allowed me to have her review unit of a cinema display, which was very nice of them, but I wanted to test out four K displays. [00:42:48] So I called in a couple of 4k displays from some other manufacturers. And the first one, just flat out didn’t work. And they even kind of had to acknowledge that we’ve got to wait for some performer thing. And then the second [00:43:00] one did, but I had to find a very specific type of display port cable because of the way that the display port specification worked. [00:43:10] Um, To do 4k on macro Wes. What, you know, typically what it does, what it’s doing is it is doing to it’s um, within windows or other things. It does basically a thing where it’s, uh, kind of, I guess, uh, attaching two screens together. And so you can sometimes have tearing issues and macro West says something. [00:43:32] A little bit of better, I think, to prevent some of those tearing issues. But because of that, if your cable, and if the firmware on your monitor are not of like the exact, like display port standards, then stuff will not work. And so there was a thing where I had to like add to be on like a beta version of Mac iOS, and I had to have like a very specific type of cable that was absolutely rated, you know, to the right thing. [00:43:56] And, um, that was. Fixed years ago, but I’ve even [00:44:00] found now, like with any sort of USBC monitor or even a non USBC monitor, if it’s of a certain resolution, um, like I have to like, make sure it’s like, okay, is the cable exactly the right type? Is the display port exactly. You know, updated to the latest version or whatever, because. [00:44:20] I find the same thing with you, like unplugging or disconnecting, the screen might not come back. Other, there might be other issues. It’s an approval. I understand it’s because I guess other manufacturers don’t have the same tolerances and can have a little more wiggle room about stuff, whereas is very specific about what it [00:44:43] Brett: [00:44:43] I will, uh, I will look into firmware and cables and I hope big, sir, is, uh, I hope it’s a break for you. [00:44:49]Christina: [00:44:49] Yeah. Um, I am too. I hope, I hope so as well. And I’m not going to have a choice, uh, you know, like I’m going to have to go there. So, cause I don’t have it. Well, I mean, I guess I could downgrade [00:45:00] this, I guess I could keep the macro pro I could put it back on CA on Mohabi, but. I, I, that doesn’t feel smart and more and more apps don’t even support it anymore. [00:45:11] So, uh, my iMac, I mean, I’m, I’m only keeping Catalina on that as long as required. So as soon as big surf is released goodbye. Um, but [00:45:23]Brett: [00:45:23] How many megabytes of Ram does your, your new iMac have, [00:45:27]Christina: [00:45:27] uh, megabytes. [00:45:29] Brett: [00:45:29] how many gigabytes you got? Hundred and 28 gigabytes of Ram [00:45:33]Christina: [00:45:33] That was not intentional. [00:45:34] Brett: [00:45:34] still that’s a, I remember when 16 megabytes of Ram was top notch, like that’s where I grew up. [00:45:42]Christina: [00:45:42] Yeah, me too. When I, when I w my first real computer had eight megabytes of Ram, which seemed massive. And the first upgrade I ever did to it of my own was to add another eight megabytes and. I had my second computer, that the computer I got when, um, for, for Christmas in 1998, the one that [00:46:00] my parents spoiled me with and let me have my bedroom, that one had 102 28 megabytes of Ram, which you know, was like baller, you know? [00:46:09] Brett: [00:46:09] at that point. [00:46:10]Christina: [00:46:10] Basically. Yeah, it was a Pentium two, four 50, it had a DVD drive. It had 128 gigs of megs of Ram. It had an eight Meg graphics card, um, that also could do like video capture, like that machine ruled. But, um, yeah, 128 gigabytes, which was not intentional. I was going to go 64. And what happened was Amazon lost my package, which was fine. [00:46:36] Cause I didn’t even have the iMac yet. And then I still hadn’t seen it. And so I wanted to check the status and the app was like, your package has been lost. Please contact us for a refund. I was like, Oh, okay, well fine. So I do that. And I’m like, yeah, I haven’t received my package. They’re like, yeah, we can’t find any, you know, um, evidence of it in the tracking system. [00:46:59] So we’ll [00:47:00] just go ahead and refund you. Okay, cool. Thank you. So I reorder the exact same Ram. From the same, like, you know, seller whatever. And two days later that Ram arrives and then three days after that, another package arrives if the original package with the original 64 gigs of Ram. So I had like a weird existential thing where I was like, all right, what’s the ethical move here? [00:47:26] Like, do I have to return this up to call? Can I keep it like, what’s, what’s the situation. And I was conflicted and a lot of people told me they were like, you don’t have to do anything, just keep it. And, and I was like, that seems fair. But then I was like, well, even though this was fulfilled by Amazon, this wasn’t sold by Amazon. [00:47:44] And I was like, concerned about the buyer or the seller or whatever. Like I was like, I don’t want them to be, you know, jipped $270 or whatever. So I reached out to Amazon. I was like, Hey, um, I got this stuff that you’d refunded before. It actually did wind up showing up. Um, what do you want me to do? [00:48:00] And they were like, just keep it. [00:48:01]Brett: [00:48:01] I’ve had that happen with, uh, with double shipped orders before. And they’re just it’s I guess it’s more trouble for them to deal with shipping and returns than it is to just write it off. [00:48:11]Christina: [00:48:11] Yeah, that’s what I’m guessing. I’m also thinking that there’s probably some sort of insurance thing going on and because they couldn’t, they didn’t have tracking on the package and they. Guests don’t see that it was actually delivered. I don’t know. So really like the insurance companies are the ones that are paying for this, which, you know what fine. [00:48:31] Um, the net result is I have 128 gigs of [00:48:34] Brett: [00:48:34] Fantastic. I have 64, I think, in this machine. Yeah. It’s, it’s outstanding. I love it. But, uh, I can only imagine how, how, how fun my life would be if I could, if I had a machine that could even handle 128 gigs, which I’m pretty sure this one can not. [00:48:52]Christina: [00:48:52] Yeah, no, I, um, I’ve never obviously had a machine that can come even anywhere close to that. And so what I’m hoping to do once I [00:49:00] get my desk set up and my office and all that is I’m going to do some strip livestream where I would like to, if people are interested in this sort of thing, Where I, I try to see like how many containers, how many VMs, like, I would like to, I want to like figure out like what it would be like, what kind of fuckery do I need to do to, um, [00:49:17] Brett: [00:49:17] it out. [00:49:18] Christina: [00:49:18] you know, exactly. [00:49:20] Cause I don’t know. Cause I don’t even know to be totally honest. Like I know there are workloads and things you could do. I mean, I guess I could just open up logic and keep opening up like new, you know, um, tracks over and over again. But I still, I [00:49:33] Brett: [00:49:33] a drinking game, make it like a, every app that, that Christina launches or every new logic audio project she opens you. Take another drink and you just keep going until either. The computer beach balls or someone gets alcohol poisoning. [00:49:52]Christina: [00:49:52] Yeah. I was going to say, I was like, I think that’s a real good way for, uh, for me to get alcohol poisoning, but, [00:49:57] Brett: [00:49:57] of drinking games though? Isn’t [00:50:00] somebody supposed to die. I’ve never understood how those work. [00:50:02]Christina: [00:50:02] Yeah, I think so. I think that’s probably, that is probably the, the actual point is that someone’s supposed to die. It’s kind of like a, you know, like those, uh, like those teen horror movies from the, from the late nineties, you know, like, that’s just like, I know what you did last summer. You know, you had a drinking game and ran over someone and covered up the murder. [00:50:21] Brett: [00:50:21] I’m thinking of going vegetarian. [00:50:23]Christina: [00:50:23] All right, you’ve done that before. Haven’t [00:50:25] Brett: [00:50:25] was vegetarian for 17 years. And then I wasn’t, and now I’m suddenly like every time I eat meat, I’m feeling very bad about it. And it is, um, take it’s having, it’s wearing me down mentally to the point where I can’t justify eating meat anymore. So I’m switching my HelloFresh deliveries over to the vegetarian options, which is a pain because. [00:50:55] I’ve been cooking for both ELL and I, but Elle has her own dietary [00:51:00] requirements, which include a gluten and dairy free and it’s and rice. She has, she reacts to rice, which means vegetarian options, uh, that don’t include rice are. Rice and, or gluten are, are few and far between, and you’re not going to get them from a prepackaged place, like hello, fresh. [00:51:25] So for the time being, we are cooking separate meals again. Um, but I, I don’t know. I just, something switched in my brain. I, I originally went vegetarian after, well, I had, I worked, I’d done some farm work in high school and. Uh, had slaughtered chickens and felt a little conflicted that whole whole time, but it wasn’t until like my first year of college, I ate some lamb and I, it was more that I didn’t like the meal, then I felt bad about [00:52:00] the, the sheep, but it all kind of came together and I just never ate meat again. [00:52:06] After that day for another 17 years. Um, when pescatarian at the end there for awhile, but it it’s it’s happening again though. I saw, I watched this pretty, I don’t want to call it a bad movie. Um, now I can’t remember what it was called. It had a, uh, Owen Owen, what’s his name? Blonde guy, Owen Wilson, and Zach Galifianakis in it. [00:52:32]And. There’s a scene where Owen has to kill a chicken to cook for dinner. And my, my line has always kind of been, if, if I can, if I could kill it to eat it, then I’m okay with eating it. If I know in my heart that I could have killed this animal, but I watched that scene and realized I don’t, I don’t think I, even [00:53:00] if it were a survival situation, And, and I had to come up with some rationalization about the animal, making a sacrifice for me and being thankful and all of that. [00:53:11] I could probably probably rationalize my way through a slaughter and, and a meal, but to kill an animal, just to have a good burger, I don’t think I’m there anymore. I think, I think some, some something. Some line got crossed somewhere. I don’t know. I’m still conflicted. [00:53:33]Christina: [00:53:33] Yeah, no. I mean, I think that other than the complications for, you know, maybe having to cook separately, I mean, do you need to do what feels right to you and. I think everybody has their own lines for that [00:53:45] Brett: [00:53:45] If I go vegan, I promise not to talk about it. [00:53:48]Christina: [00:53:48] I mean, you can talk about it. I’m just not going to just like, I’m not going to, I look, I’m not, I respect people who were vegan. [00:53:55] I respect people who are vegetarian. I’m not, [00:53:57] Brett: [00:53:57] What if I make that [00:53:59] Christina: [00:53:59] I will not, [00:54:00] [00:54:00] Brett: [00:54:00] your homework is to go vegan? [00:54:01]Christina: [00:54:01] I’m not going to do that. [00:54:03] Brett: [00:54:03] Fuck it. No, come out [00:54:05] Christina: [00:54:05] Absolutely not. Absolutely not. No, no. Not even, um, this is just, doing that, [00:54:12] Brett: [00:54:12] very, very [00:54:13] Christina: [00:54:13] process people who are under no circumstances. I mean, like there would have to be like a, you’re going to die if you don’t have this sort of diet and it happens to be vegan. Um, I just, I, I can understand the arguments at least for vegetarianism, and I can understand both for animals and also for the environment. [00:54:35] Uh, I have a lot more trouble with the full vegan arguments, to be honest. [00:54:41] Brett: [00:54:41] I, yeah, I don’t like, especially from the environmental standpoint, uh, I, I fully relate to vegans. I’ve just never, it’s never been important enough to me to make the sacrifices involved. Um, and, and [00:55:00] for me, vegetarianism was always more about the, the environment than it was about animal rights. Uh, that shift it did for me. [00:55:09] I think actually it’s more about animal rights now than it is about the environment. It’s definitely both, but yeah, no, I, I really, I, I, I, I listened to two people talk about why they’re vegan and I cannot, I agree with most of what they say. [00:55:26]Christina: [00:55:26] Yeah. I mean, I might be able to agree in the abstracts, but. [00:55:30] Brett: [00:55:30] But then taco bell calls. [00:55:32]Christina: [00:55:32] Well, that’s just that, I mean, I think it’s that I, I try to like take, I guess my, my, I have like a more holistic view, which is, I’m not saying that the things that you’re claiming are incorrect or wrong, but there are all these other things that, that we do and that we partake in and that are, you know, a part of functioning in a modern society that equally have detrimental impacts on. [00:55:56] Other environments or other species, uh, and, and, you know, [00:56:00] ecologically and, and whatnot. And so like where do you draw the line? Right. Like for me it becomes like a, a question of, okay, you’re not wrong about this, but this is also the same case for if you’re going to drive or consume any sort of transportation or electricity or. [00:56:16] You know, use a computer. Like, you know what I mean? Like where do I draw the line? Like, if, if I’m going to, if I’m going to say that I’m going to be vegan because of all those things, then should I be using a phone or computer? Because the minerals in it have been mined in ways [00:56:29] Brett: [00:56:29] Right. And I, [00:56:30] Christina: [00:56:30] and that are problematic. [00:56:31] Like I, [00:56:32] Brett: [00:56:32] I do think it comes down to doing what feels okay to you because most, most of the problems happening to our environment right now are not in the hands of consumers. Uh, we’re not the ones causing the problem and we’re not the ones who through individual action are going to cause any significant amount of change. [00:56:54] Only through political action. Do we have any chance of actually affecting the environment for the [00:57:00] better? So ultimately it comes down to what’s what feels okay to you? Yeah. There’s not a lot of point in like a, in preaching at people because even, even if you did make a difference in that person’s life, that person ultimately, isn’t going to make a difference in and. [00:57:19] Glo, uh, climate change and all of the major environmental catastrophes we have going on. [00:57:25]Christina: [00:57:25] Right, right. I mean, exactly. I know that that’s part of the, that people are able, that’s the problem. Nobody does anything. And you know, it it’s collective, it takes a lot of people to do stuff. And yeah, I guess so if, if you were able to start a genuine movement where people genuinely in mass start to effect the economics so that the industry isn’t as profitable and doesn’t make the money, it is then I guess you could do something. [00:57:46] But short of that, I mean, I’m with you. I think that it takes political and legislation change and it is the why I do like, um, you know, some of the different like meatless, um, uh, startups, um, I [00:58:00] actually think that that is the sort of thing that could potentially move the needle. Um, although they have their own problems. [00:58:06] I mean, you have to look into like how much energy are those things, you know, uh, taking and creating and, and how, how viable are they? But getting aside from that, like beyond burger and, and what’s the other one, um, [00:58:19] Brett: [00:58:19] was the first one that came to mind. I can’t think of the other one. [00:58:22] Christina: [00:58:22] Yeah. Yeah. So, so there’s beyond, and then there, there there’s another one. Uh, but you know, if those things like they’re starting to be, um, uh, impossible. Uh, so you know, those are, are, those are starting to be sold, you know, in fast food restaurants and grocery stores and having name brands. I think that’s actually really powerful because that could become a viable business. [00:58:42] Then that’s the sort of thing that could potentially shift people away from saying. Okay. We are going to be investing this much in traditional agriculture and, um, you know, like, um, whatever the term is for, um, uh, cattle or whatever, whatever the term is for raising animals life. [00:59:00] Thank you. So, yeah, we’re, we’re, we’re going to change our, our agriculture and livestock, um, do investments accordingly that I think could have real impact, but. [00:59:09] Yeah. So I’m, I’m in favor of that, even if I’m not personally like going to make the decision to be a vegan, [00:59:16] Brett: [00:59:16] Those beyond burgers are [00:59:18] Christina: [00:59:18] and you can, they are, they are, I have to say, like, I’ve tried a lot of the different meatless things and most of them are terrible beyond burgers though. Are, are good. Um, you know, I prefer beef, but. [00:59:29]Brett: [00:59:29] I’m really good at cooking meat, which is, I think a disappointment to L that I’m not going to be cooking meat anymore. I have a real knack for tender juicy meat dishes. Um, this is sounding dirtier than I meant for it to, but man, whether it’s a grill or a stove or even a beef Wellington and the oven, I I’m, I’m good at it. [00:59:51] Like I, I rarely mess up. Meet. I have a strong appreciation for meat and we’ve spent years now [01:00:00] buying local, uh, local farms and local slaughterhouses, uh, that have, you know, free range, cattle and chickens. And we’ve been very careful about where we get our meat from. And that has felt okay to me up to this point, suddenly it’s not good enough anymore. [01:00:21]Christina: [01:00:21] Yeah. I mean, you, you have to do what you’re comfortable with and if you’re not comfortable with it, you’re not, I, I do kind of love that irony though of the fact that like the guy who was the vegetarian for so many years is really good at, at, um, cooking meat. Like that’s. [01:00:37] Brett: [01:00:37] Yeah. Yeah. There’s a, [01:00:40] Christina: [01:00:40] There, there there’s, there’s an O Henry aspect of that, that I quite enjoy. [01:00:44] Brett: [01:00:44] um, do you have, have you seen how to build a girl? Um, it is, uh, it’s the movie of the week on iTunes right now. It’s a 99 cent rental. I would, I would recommend rent it and watch it sometime in the next 29 days. [01:01:00] Uh, we can, we can have a chat about it. It’s uh, it’s pretty good. It won’t blow you away, but. [01:01:05] It’s a, it’s the story of, uh, uh, based on semi based on true events. I can’t remember how they phrase it, but it was basically loosely based on some true events, but a young girl in high school who gets a job writing for a rock and roll magazine. And she is suddenly thrust into the world of interviewing rock stars and reviewing bands. [01:01:29] And it goes from there it’s, it’s fun. [01:01:33]Christina: [01:01:33] So it’s kind of a girl version of [01:01:35] Brett: [01:01:35] Yeah. Uh, the, I guess the big thing is the story of, um, it’s a female empowerment story. It’s she’s, she’s, uh, uh, not great looking very plain looking overweight, high school girl with no friends who finds a way to create a persona that works for her. [01:02:00] And really, really succeed at it and at some points too much. [01:02:06] You’ll see. You’ll see. I’d love to talk about it. Um, [01:02:10] Christina: [01:02:10] Yeah. Okay. I’m I’m, I’m, I’m putting that, uh, on my, uh, on my, like, I’m literally like opening up the iTunes app now to find this so I can rent this. [01:02:19] Brett: [01:02:19] yeah. Oh, bring it on is on it’s the what? [01:02:24] Christina: [01:02:24] it’s 20th anniversary edition. I just saw that and I feel so old. [01:02:27] Brett: [01:02:27] buy it to own for like two 99 right now. And every time I see it, I’m so close, but I’ve seen it so many times that I don’t feel like I need to own it. [01:02:36]Christina: [01:02:36] Oh, but [01:02:36] Brett: [01:02:36] Okay. That’s all I needed to hear. I’m going to go buy it. [01:02:39]Christina: [01:02:39] Yeah, you have to, I would have bought it, but I already have, so, uh, I, uh, Oh, you do. It’s so good. I love that movie so much. God is also, I love pitch. Perfect. Cause pitch perfect is the exact same movie as bring it on. [01:02:52] Brett: [01:02:52] I agree. [01:02:53] Christina: [01:02:53] Uh, it’s the exact same movie, but they both worked [01:02:56] Brett: [01:02:56] not say the same for the sequels pitch. [01:03:00] Perfect. Two was actually pretty good. [01:03:02]Christina: [01:03:02] It had its moments. I thought that magic Mike too was how you do that movie correctly. [01:03:07]Brett: [01:03:07] Fair. Fair. Okay. [01:03:09] Christina: [01:03:09] No, it means genuinely, they were both Roadtrip movies. They were both sequels. Like they, it was the same plot, but magic Mike too, I think actually work to whereas pitch perfect two and then pitch perfect three, you know what? I enjoyed watching it with my, with my girlfriends. Um, and, and I enjoyed like the final scene, but. [01:03:28]Whoever tried to put like an action movie into that was, that was just, that was, yeah. I mean, I, I get it. Rebel Wilson is now a lot more famous than when you started and you have to give her more to do and what not, but I am not watching an acapella movie to see people jumping from [01:03:47] Brett: [01:03:47] Aren’t there like 10, bring it on SQLs now. [01:03:49]Christina: [01:03:49] I think so, but I’ve never watched any of them because to me they’re all straight to [01:03:53] Brett: [01:03:53] Yeah. Well, and they are there. I think I saw one on cable TV at one [01:04:00] point and it was just a hallow. Echo of the genius that was bringing it on. [01:04:06]Christina: [01:04:06] Yeah, I think what they did, it was, they did a similar thing with, um, the American pie series. Obviously there were, uh, I think for, uh, American pie films that were in theaters, um, but they had a. Huge number of directivity SQLs. And that, that I think Eugene Levy was the only person that was part of any of it. [01:04:30] Um, and so to me, I’m like, all right, this, this is not in any way related. Like this is, this is not part of Canon. And I think we bring it on. They didn’t even have, there was no one who was from the first film in any of the sequels is kind of like the mean girls sequel. It’s like this literally. Does not have anything to do with it and is just the studio trying to expand on the licensing and, and there’s nothing else. [01:04:56] Brett: [01:04:56] Someone should make a [01:04:57] Christina: [01:04:57] yeah, I think there, [01:04:59] Brett: [01:04:59] that’s not mean [01:05:00] girls. Although me [01:05:01] Christina: [01:05:01] And actually [01:05:02] Brett: [01:05:02] the SQL to Heather’s. [01:05:04]Christina: [01:05:04] it’s the nicer version of Heathers. I mean, it’s so much, I mean, the, the thing is, and I’ve said this probably on this podcast before. You could not make Heathers today and release period. No, you couldn’t do it. Um, uh, you couldn’t have done it probably five or six years after Heather’s came out to be totally honest, like honestly, the way that they deal with suicide and, you know, murder and I mean the whole Plaza nature of it, especially once school students started to happen. [01:05:33] There’s no way you could have made that film. So like, Certainly not post Columbine, but I think probably post whatever the Arkansas one was, was probably when you wouldn’t have been able to make Heathers anymore. Um, they did try to do it as a TV show. That was horrible. Did you see this? Okay, so the paramount network, um, which used to be spike TV, and then it became, I don’t know, it’s had a bunch [01:06:00] of iterations, but now it’s the paramount network. [01:06:02] They. Bought and decided to basically do kind of like a remake of Heathers, except all the Heathers. Instead of being like beautiful, popular girls were still these, you know, bitchy, you know, like people ran the school, but like one was, um, you know, non-binary one was like a queer. I’m a person of color. One was like, you know, really like Bush, like, like that, you know, a girl, like, you know, they’re all like these kind of like different types of things, which I guess on its space is sort of interesting. [01:06:33] But again, the same time, it’s kind of not like the same time. I kind of don’t know. Like I get the point of like, feeling like you’re empowering people by being like, Oh, these people who don’t look, you know, the series of like white plastic thing can be the people in power. But I also don’t know if we’re quite there yet to essentially vilify those types of people too. [01:06:57] You know what I mean? Um, so [01:07:00] it didn’t work. Um, also it tried too hard. They had to completely change obviously the language and, you know, some of the, uh, the, the content, but even with all the changes they made that watered it down completely after, um, I think it was the, the New Zealand, um, uh, uh, mass murder and terrorism act. [01:07:22]They were, that was when they were airing the show and they had to burn it off and they had to basically stop airing it and edit things significantly. And so even. The very poor attempt at doing a woke version of Heathers. And let’s just say this right now. You don’t need a workforce competitors. You don’t need any sort of remake of Heathers. [01:07:40] It does not need to exist, but the woke version was especially bad. And especially I think just poorly done. Um, even the though version of Heathers was too controversial. For them to continue doing so they had to edit it and it was just a complete disaster. So, uh, yeah. Uh, Heather’s could never be made again. [01:07:58] What’s interesting Wynonna [01:08:00] writer for many, many years. I really wanted to seek well because, um, uh, Daniel Waters who wrote it or direct wrote directly like that, the first film, uh, he, um, I guess I’ve been working on something and she was really, really interested in having something come together, but I just don’t think there’s, you know, there’s any way you, you can do. [01:08:19] Anything that would even do it justice, you know, it’s [01:08:21] Brett: [01:08:21] How do you know all this stuff? [01:08:23]Christina: [01:08:23] I, I read [01:08:25]Brett: [01:08:25] He like, you know, you know, stuff about everything. Like, I don’t understand the breadth, the depth of knowledge you have about a breadth of topics. It’s crazy. You’re brilliant. You’re a brilliant woman. [01:08:39]Christina: [01:08:39] Well, thank you very much. I, I just have a good memory. I honestly that’s. That’s just it. I just [01:08:44] Brett: [01:08:44] Yeah. But you, you remember things that I wouldn’t be interested enough in, and I’m not saying that to be mean, but. Like you, you obviously are interested enough to pick up the information to begin with, and then you remember it. [01:09:00] Me, I would never even consider, uh, like finding that information, let alone forgetting it. [01:09:06]Christina: [01:09:06] Right. Yeah, no, I, um, if I can find an interest in something and that’s the key, if I can find like a genuine interest in it, then I will usually go overboard and learning everything I can about it. And then I’m lucky enough to usually have a good memory for being able to retain and understand it. And, uh, Heather’s is like one of my favorite movies ever. [01:09:29] So [01:09:31] Brett: [01:09:31] So it was an area. It’s not that you know that much about every movie you just happen to know that much about Heather’s. Okay. Although we’ve proven time. And again, that, that you have that kind of knowledge about things I wouldn’t [01:09:45] Christina: [01:09:45] Lots of things I look, can I say I’m, I’m an eclectic person. I do have a wide range of interests. Um, that’s that? That’s [01:09:53] Brett: [01:09:53] do? And me I’m the gen X or just complains about everything. [01:09:57]Christina: [01:09:57] Well, you don’t complain about everything. You just [01:10:00] like, [01:10:00] Brett: [01:10:00] I don’t though. That’s the thing is I [01:10:02] Christina: [01:10:02] I know you don’t. I know you [01:10:04] Brett: [01:10:04] lot of stuff. I just, I grew up in an environment where. It was super uncool to care about anything. [01:10:13] Christina: [01:10:13] take care. Yeah. Apathy was what you had to, you had to pretend to be apathetic, but you’re not empathetic. [01:10:18] Brett: [01:10:18] generation of foodies and beer snobs could not have happened in gen X. Like it just wasn’t cool [01:10:25] Christina: [01:10:25] Oh, no. [01:10:26] Brett: [01:10:26] much about anything. [01:10:28]Christina: [01:10:28] Okay. PR homework for us, both because I haven’t watched this movie in a long time, but I have historically loved it and, but I’m not gen X. And so my love of it was. From the person who grew up in some ways aspiring to be gen X, because they were cool when I was young. And then when I saw it, when I was older, in some ways like having a different appreciation of it and actually kind of rooting for the different characters, but we should watch reality bites. [01:10:55]Brett: [01:10:55] But yeah, no, I could use the refresh around reality bites. [01:10:58]Christina: [01:10:58] That’s it, [01:11:00] you know, I remember really enjoying it. Um, Ben Stiller directed that, which is really interesting because most people obviously just think of him as, you know, an actor, but he actually is a pretty accomplished [01:11:11] Brett: [01:11:11] that the one that had screaming trees on the soundtrack? [01:11:13]Christina: [01:11:13] I’m pretty sure the soundtrack was really good. [01:11:17]Brett: [01:11:17] Um, I just remembered [01:11:19] Christina: [01:11:19] I mean, it’s, it’s [01:11:20] Brett: [01:11:20] literally all I remember. [01:11:22]Christina: [01:11:22] Oh, you had the Lisa Loeb song stay [01:11:24]Brett: [01:11:24] Yeah. [01:11:26] Christina: [01:11:26] because, because Ethan Hawke discovered her or whatever. Um, [01:11:30] Brett: [01:11:30] glasses [01:11:31]Christina: [01:11:31] yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, she was like, she was the it girl. I mean, she was super cute in that video. Uh, yeah. So, um, Yeah, we should watch reality bites if you don’t have it, if you don’t have it, I have it on my Plex and I’ll L I should invite you to have [01:11:47] Brett: [01:11:47] Yeah, we should do that. Sounds good. Should we call it here and save some of these topics for next week? [01:11:54]Christina: [01:11:54] Yeah, I think we should. I think we [01:11:56] Brett: [01:11:56] good. Um, and yeah, I’m [01:12:00] glad we got to do this. We recorded late, uh, due to all of your, uh, Catalina woes, but, um, I’m, I’m glad we pulled it off. [01:12:08]Christina: [01:12:08] I am Sue I’m am. This was a, this is a can talk and I’m actually now really excited about watching, um, how to [01:12:13] Brett: [01:12:13] I hope you enjoy it [01:12:15]Christina: [01:12:15] yeah. Uh, I’m, I’m looking [01:12:17] Brett: [01:12:17] and then get some sleep. [01:12:18]Christina: [01:12:18] Thank you. I will, especially if you know. Computers are stressful, but you also get some sleep. And I hope that I hope that like, while you’re sleeping that your phone doesn’t do weird things. [01:12:30] Cause that would be odd also since this is, I want you to keep a note of this. I don’t know if you dream or not, but since you spent so much time on the Taylor Swift theme park, I am curious if you have dreams about Taylor Swift and or theme [01:12:43] Brett: [01:12:43] I will let you know, I’ll let you know how that goes. [01:12:45]Christina: [01:12:45] All right.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Brett and Christina [00:00:00] 02Brett: [00:00:00] welcome to episode 202 of Overtired with Christina Warren and Brett Terpstra how’s it going, Christina? [00:00:07] 01Christina: [00:00:07] going pretty good. How are you, Brett? [00:00:09] 02Brett: [00:00:09] I’m I’m good. I’m figuring out this, uh, uh, episode numbering thing. I think it’s kind of standard practice to like season episode, right? [00:00:18] 01Christina: [00:00:18] yeah, I think so. I think so, but it is weird cause we’re like, Almost officially, we’re not rebooting the show, but we’re rebooting the show. Like it’s still the same show. We’re just going to be consistent again. And so, because really, if we’re being like going by like TV seasons in like American TV, this would be like seasons six or something, [00:00:39]02Brett: [00:00:39] right. [00:00:40] 01Christina: [00:00:40] but [00:00:41] 02Brett: [00:00:41] If it was Netflix TV, we’d be on like season 20. [00:00:44] 01Christina: [00:00:44] Exactly. But you know what I do kind of feel like we’re like British TV. Cause we’re, we’re kind of like a like Sherlock or whatever. Like we come out, you know, like once a year or once every three years. [00:00:55]02Brett: [00:00:55] Yeah. A BBC special, [00:00:58] 01Christina: [00:00:58] Yeah. That’s exactly it. That’s exactly [00:01:00] it [00:01:00] 02Brett: [00:01:00] BBC mini series. [00:01:01] 01Christina: [00:01:01] that’s exactly it. Except now. Like I think that we’re going to be consistent again. So that’s really exciting. [00:01:06] 02Brett: [00:01:06] Yes, this is two weeks in a row. [00:01:08] 01Christina: [00:01:08] I know, [00:01:09] 02Brett: [00:01:09] When was the last time we did two weeks in a row. It’s been years. Yeah. This is great news. Um, and I’m sure that the people have been anxiously waiting to hear what I thought of folklore after a second listen. [00:01:24] 01Christina: [00:01:24] Yes. [00:01:25] 02Brett: [00:01:25] I feel like that should be the central crux of this episode. [00:01:28] We’re probably not going to spend as much time as a Taylor podcast should on it, but that said, I went back in with your kind of doctoral thesis in mind. Um, and I gave it a, another more serious listen and I did come to appreciate it. Uh, she does like the, I didn’t pay enough attention or as much attention as I should have to the lyrics on the first listen. [00:01:55] Cause I was so bored with the music. Like it’s not [00:02:00] my tempo. [00:02:01] 01Christina: [00:02:01] right. [00:02:02] 02Brett: [00:02:02] But the, the kind of the biting lines and the, the, um, axed is still there. And, and I can appreciate that. [00:02:13] 01Christina: [00:02:13] Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, Taylor says fucking out, like it’s kind of amazing and like, it, it, uh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, okay. This, this for our Taylor Swift podcast makes me really relieved and. Yeah, I will. I will agree with you if you were somebody who was not into, you know, the, the more kind of low key kind of vibe, if you’d like the bangers, this is not that album as I, I’m not gonna repeat my doctoral thesis as you, as you framed it. [00:02:41] But I am glad that, that you were still able to find like the core tailors stuff that, that you could appreciate. I will be interested to see if at some point, if people try to do remixes or even if she does some point, because I really do feel like some of these songs could [00:03:00] be turned into like her traditional kind of like pop bangers. [00:03:04] If it just had a different instrumentation, different production. [00:03:09] 02Brett: [00:03:09] What she needs is to have cave play. Do a cover of like exile. Did you, did you, I didn’t send you, I promise to send you a list of K Flay tracks too. Like, uh, an intro to K Flay and I didn’t, did you get a chance to find any on your own. [00:03:29] 01Christina: [00:03:29] I did. I didn’t spend like a lot of time listening to kaflooey, but I’d previously that I think I’d mostly just kind of heard, like I, you know, the song that was on like the, the birds of prey soundtrack. And, uh, but I did listen to some stuff and I like it. I mean, I’m not saying it’s like, it’s not like maybe like my favorite, favorite, but she’s good. [00:03:49] 02Brett: [00:03:49] She is, um, I would recommend blood in the cut as like the intro track. It’s a newer track of hers and it is, [00:04:00] um, it’s got lines like Mick, uh, it’s doll. Something do it soon. It’s too quiet in this room. I need noise. And it speaks to me in a way that more mature grownup lyrics never do. She has a PhD in and I think psychology, uh, she she’s yeah, very smart person, but she does a wonderful job of, um, writing lyrics that speak to the, uh, deeper anxieties and emotions. [00:04:34]In a, in a XD sort of way in the way that I appreciate Taylor, Swift’s less mature axed. [00:04:41] 01Christina: [00:04:41] No. I mean, Taylor Swift is petty as fuck, which I think is both of our favorite parts about her. So yeah, I mean, I think that you can be very smart, but you could also have those like less mature things. Also. I don’t know. I’ve had, I, I. There are all these theories that I’ve read, uh, from like a [00:05:00] psychologists and other people. [00:05:00] And it just sort of makes sense in some ways that, you know, USIC, that you love when you’re a teenager can remain kind of the, the music that you love your whole life. Right? Because it reminds you of that time in your life. It’s kind of it’s nostalgia, but I think it’s also kind of forms, you know, sort of the things that like your brain goes to, to feel a certain way. [00:05:19] So it’s more than just installer. I think it like does something to, you know, like. Your your endorphins or, or to, you know, your, your, your synopsis or whatever. And I think there’s truth in that. And I think that’s why even when I discover newer types of music and other stuff, if it reminds me, if it makes me feel like, you know, when I was 16, I I’m going to love it. [00:05:44] You know? And I, and. In my mind, I still am 16. So, you know, in my mind, I’m, I’m never turning 30. So, uh, that’s, that’s like fine. But I think that for a lot of people like it, because I see this all the time when I go to concerts. Cause now you know that [00:06:00] I’m also becoming an old, you know, everybody around you, you know, at the concerts, you’re like, Holy. [00:06:06] Shit. We are also old now. And sometimes I’m like significantly younger than the other people there. And you’re like, Oh yeah. Okay. They are here because they loved this when, when they were this age, you know, and they still love that band and they still want that moment. And. I don’t know for me, I try to, I guess, hold onto my youth by trying to continue to discuss our newer types of music and other like newer artists just to like, be like, stay with it. [00:06:33] Even if it’s, even if it’s core stuff, still just reminded me of being younger. [00:06:38] 02Brett: [00:06:38] I think that’s almost just a personality type. I think some people are very quick to, I think even by their mid twenties, they’ve already decided what good music was and they’re not interested in new music. I think, I think those are the people that are like new music sucks, everything sounds the same these days and they’re not [00:07:00] open to it. [00:07:00] And I think some people well into their old age. Are willing. And maybe I think everyone, at some point hits a point where they’re just like, I don’t have the emotional capacity to bother finding new music anymore, but I definitely have not at that point. [00:07:16] 01Christina: [00:07:16] No, no. I mean, I think that it, yeah, I think that it is actually, it’s weird. I think it’s harder. And like the Spotify era and with Apple music and everything, cause you have the whole, it’s like the whole fallacy of choice thing, right. Or they’re not a policy choice, the paradox of choice thing. Yeah. The paradox of choice thing. [00:07:30] It’s like you have access to everything it’s overwhelming. And so rather than trying new things, you just go with what, you know, and in to some degree, I think that’s why, so the algorithm. Playlists are bad because on the one hand, like they’re great. Like I love the, my favorites playlist on Apple music every week. [00:07:50] It’s just, it’s fantastic. It’s always just [00:07:53] 02Brett: [00:07:53] Cause it’s your favorite? [00:07:54] 01Christina: [00:07:54] Exactly, but it’s, but it’s like an eclectic, it’s a good, different mix of different songs of different songs each week. [00:08:00] But I’m not discovering new things. Right. And in Spotify, does I have some stuff that it’s recommended to me that I’ve discovered like some bands that I just really love and, and that’s been like a really good, you know, experience or whatever, but, um, I do kind of wish that they would apply those algorithm things to just being like, Hey, here’s brand new shit. [00:08:21] Right? Like. Based on what you’ve listened to when other stuff, and that would, that would at least make the whole paradox of choice thing. Maybe a little bit easier. Cause otherwise, you know, you just have to go based on whatever, some of our, on some of the top playlist and the curated playlist and that’s fine. [00:08:37] Right? Like, I mean, that’s basically modern radio and I’m cool with that. It’s just, um, it, depending on what you are into and what moods you have, like those. Those, you know, like rap caviar or whatever, it might not be like your jam. [00:08:53] 02Brett: [00:08:53] here’s why, here’s why I choose Spotify. Um, it, every day it makes me four playlists [00:09:00] and every one of those platelets usually includes one or two, uh, bands or artists that I either had forgotten about or had never heard of. And it’s a great way. Like it’s a lot of my favorite, most played songs mixed in with related songs, uh, within the same genre that I maybe haven’t heard and their release radar, uh, actually. [00:09:24] Find artists that are similar to ones that I do follow and plays their newest stuff. And I have found all the new music. Yeah. I have discovered in the last few years is either come from Spotify algorithms or by using dang, um, should while watching TV and movies. Uh, and, um, I love a great soundtrack and I’ll, I’ll just turn on auto Shazam where it just like tags, every song it hears. [00:09:52] Uh, when I wa like umbrella Academy, did you watch [00:09:55] 01Christina: [00:09:55] yeah. Yeah. [00:09:57] 02Brett: [00:09:57] to that was just great. I mean, I knew [00:10:00] most of the song, which is probably why I thought it was a great soundtrack, but there were some cool ones in there. [00:10:05] 01Christina: [00:10:05] Yeah, no, I agree. I, I, um, I liked that, that soundtrack a lot too. And yeah, I mean, I actually, I I’m with you. I do a similar thing with Shizam and when I watched shows it’s weird. Um, You know, in the last, like it’s been, you know, more than 20 years now since like, you know, TV producers have, or since music, producers have used TV as a way to kind of get new music out to people and as, as a breaking ground for that. [00:10:29] And in some ways I don’t think that some of the stuff I, like, I don’t feel like new artists and stuff is broken the same way that it was. I almost feel like it’s so competitive that it just has become like another like outlet that. You know, um, and our groups kind of go after. And so it loses some of its resonance. [00:10:46] Whereas I feel like at peak, like, you know, early two thousands TV where you had these amazing music, uh, you know, uh, producers on the show is just like really going deep and finding [00:11:00] stuff. Uh, also I think, you know, I don’t know, it’s just different, but I still, I, with you, I use Shazam and discover stuff that way all the time. [00:11:08] Um, although it’s interesting because I do find. How repetitive some of the songs have become that. And, and, and [00:11:17] 02Brett: [00:11:17] In what way? [00:11:17] 01Christina: [00:11:17] meaning, I will see the same tracks over and over again, across different shows that are even kind of different. I mean, sometimes there’s similar shows, but sometimes they’re, they’re different and it’s just like, even like, A number of years ago, you wouldn’t see that it’d be one of those things. [00:11:35] It’s like, okay. The phrase has been used on Grey’s anatomy. So that’s not going to be used on another show now it’s, it’s like, it doesn’t matter. Even if the exact same song has become, you know, it was. Kind of broken on one thing. It’s like, okay, another show we’ll we’ll license it. Anyway, which is interesting. [00:11:54] Um, we’ve talked about this before, but, and this isn’t on our list of stuff to talk about, but I am kind [00:12:00] of, uh, interested in, in your take on this. Cause we both watch a lot of Netflix and we both like, have we talked last week about how we are rewatching shows and the thing that. You know, God, we finally gotten to the point, at least in the DVD era where it felt like this was fixed, but music rights, man, like fucking music rights being different on shows not lasting. [00:12:26] When you go back to rewatch them is the worst thing in the world. God. [00:12:32] 02Brett: [00:12:32] What do give me an example. I’m not sure what you’re talking [00:12:34] 01Christina: [00:12:34] Okay. Alright. Okay. So my, my, my like example of this always is Dawson’s Creek, right? Okay. Yeah. Make fun of me, roast me whatever, but it had some of the best music period, and I did discover some bands that I still love today and just really good shit. [00:12:48] Like Damien rice is, uh, who I don’t think you’d be into, but he’s one of my favorite artists I heard. Like, I think they played him on Dawson’s Creek years before. It like the album hadn’t even come to the U S [00:13:00] yet. And, and there are other things they changed. So much of the music on the DVD releases because they didn’t want pay for the rights and they didn’t have the contracts written in such a way so that, you know, the, the, the music licenses would extend to the physical media releases. [00:13:18] So the first season had all the original music, and then in subsequent years they had to cut so much of it. The, I don’t want to wait, like Paula Cole song, like the theme song, like the defining thing of that show. Is not in the DVD releases and it’s also not in the streaming releases and the streaming releases it’s even worse because the first season on DVD at least had all the original music, they replaced it, um, for the streaming stuff, uh, you know, versus what was on the DVD. [00:13:45] And so I spent, uh, I spent many, many, like, I mean, it was, it was a it was a multiyear process to track that down. But I was, I had to find. Somebody [00:14:00] basically in France, and this was probably six or seven years ago at this point who had amassed collection of every episode of Dawson’s Creek with the original music in like high enough quality that it wasn’t bad. [00:14:13] So some of it was, you know, um, It was basically usually like, you know, kind of like expedited or, you know, if that had been available, uh, although by the time that show went off the air issue, six, four, really wasn’t a thing. So talking like ABI files, whatever, but usually like internet, you know, downloads or, you know, like high quality captures from, you know, the late nineties, early two thousands. [00:14:36] Of the show. Um, so these weren’t like, like VHS, uh, you know, transfers. These were usually captured from broadcast and then, and then digitized, um, Like I had to find somebody who had a collection of every episode with the original music and it’s like, you know, 40 or 50 gigabytes and I’ve got it backed up multiple places. [00:14:57] But yeah, we was a thing. Like I found this guy in France and he [00:15:00] had actually, you’re the one who told him about this thing. Remember that, that, that hard drive that they sold, that you could share it with other people, like it would share some of your bandwidth where it would basically like live online. [00:15:12] And it was like a hard drive that also was kind of a Dropbox thing. Okay. So he had one of those and he was in [00:15:21] 02Brett: [00:15:21] was that called? [00:15:22] 01Christina: [00:15:22] What was that called? [00:15:23]02Brett: [00:15:23] Well, not the transporter. [00:15:26] 01Christina: [00:15:26] That’s exactly [00:15:26] 02Brett: [00:15:26] Was it? [00:15:27] 01Christina: [00:15:27] Yes, it was the transport. So he had one of those, but he was in France and his internet connection. Wasn’t great. And this is like 50 gigabytes and I’m, you know, in New York. And so that the pings or whatever bad. So I was connected to his Transporter, but it took forever to get that download. [00:15:43] I think I like ended up pay palling him like a hundred bucks or something, you know, just because I like wanted to help. Yeah. Then I think like we might’ve made a torrent, but yeah, it isn’t widely available. Like it’s one of those things that even. I probably should put it on Usenet or something because I would, I would like more of the public to have [00:16:00] access to, but anyway, it was, it was a, uh, an exhaustive process to find it. [00:16:04] And also like, um, you know, I, I paid money for this after I’ve already bought the entire series, not just on DVD, but I also bought the blue Ray because it was super cheap or whatever. And, or actually, no, not the Blueray, they rerelease the whole thing that way, but I also have it on, on iTunes or whatever with the shitty, you know, music inserts and, um, Anyway, like it was this, this ridiculous process, but I can’t watch the show with the wrong music and scrubs, which is a show that I’ve started rewatching because I really loved scrubs and it holds up. [00:16:37] And that’s another one where it has like the best music, the, the show creator, bill Lawrence and his wife, uh, Krista Miller, um, picked a lot of the music, his wife in particular. And she was also, um, uh, an actress on the show. And she’s also on, um, um, Uh, his other show, um, what was the one with, uh, Cougar town? [00:16:57] Um, [00:16:58] 02Brett: [00:16:58] I’m watching that [00:16:59] 01Christina: [00:16:59] Yeah. Yeah, [00:17:00] yeah, yeah. Okay. So, so she’s, she’s like the best friend, um, kind of caustic once. Okay. So she’s great. So she picked a lot of the music, so, so she pitch a lot of the music for scrubs and actually for coop, for Cougar town as well. And like Josh, not Josh, Zach Braff always got a lot of credit for the music. [00:17:16] And he certainly played a role because he had like similar music sensibilities. And he obviously did like the garden state soundtrack and stuff, but like, it was really like Krista Miller who. Picked a lot of that stuff. And the music is just fantastic and Disney did pay for the rights for DVD. So if you have the DVD release scrubs, um, there are a couple of like missing things. [00:17:38] Like I think that guided by voices wouldn’t give the right for one song in season one. And there is like maybe one or two other examples. And in that case, like they knew it and they picked really good. Substitutions, like, not as good as hold on hope, but a good substitution and you know, it’s fine. But when [00:18:00] it came time to put it on Netflix or Hulu or whatever, they didn’t pay for it like they did for, I think maybe a certain period of time. [00:18:07] And then after a certain period of time, they’re like, yeah, we’re not paying for this anymore. So if you watch scrubs on streaming, It loses the original music. Now, if you buy it on iTunes, it has it. But, uh, you know, if you’re watching it on streaming, the music has been changed. And at this point, the way it’s been changed, it hasn’t been done by the producers who, you know, at least when they had to do like the, the couple of minor changes in season one, like when that came out on DVD, like 15 years ago, um, He like shows a replacement that would fit in this case. [00:18:41] It’s just like people using, you know, whatever sort of generic music they can get. It’s it’s not music. I mean, it has voices in it, but it’s like not bands that you would know or, or anything like that. It’s just like going through, you know, it’s just, it’s just penny pinchers being like, okay, we’re just going to insert these things in the cues. [00:18:58] And, you know, it takes [00:19:00] you out of it cause you know, the editing, the dubbing on that, isn’t perfect. And so you can sometimes hear the different, you know, outros or whatever in different things. And, um, and I dunno, it just ruins the whole show, like to go back and watch it that way. So it makes me grateful that I have all the DVDs and that, you know, use that and other things for me to get digitized copies of my DVDs faster than it would be for me to manually rip them. [00:19:22] You [00:19:23] 02Brett: [00:19:23] Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. But in a case like Dawson’s Creek, how often are you watching Dawson’s Creek? Why can’t this just exist as a, a good memory and not a multiyear process of tracking down in a manner, very akin to people who demand vinyl releases of, of their favorite bands and they won’t accept anything. [00:19:47] That isn’t the original. They don’t want to hear any remastered tracks. Everything has to be the way it was originally. What, why is that an obsession for you? Tell us more. [00:19:58] 01Christina: [00:19:58] okay. [00:20:00] Because not that I’m going to rewatch it all the time, of course. But because if I do want to see an episode or if I do want to see something, the minute that the song queue is wrong, because. Dawson’s Creek in particular, uh, all those scrubs too, but like Dawson’s Creek in particular is a show that I watched so many times as a kid, like a teenager, like I would, you know, record every episode and then I watch it and, you know, I know those cues, I know those moments. [00:20:25] And so the minute. That they don’t have the right musical cue in like a key scene, like, and, and like, uh, or song that like even songs that were on the damn soundtrack, right? Like, I mean, that’s what really got me with the DVD releases. I was like, Sony, you, you paid for this song for the soundtracks that you put out and you. [00:20:44] Put a replacement on the DVD release. Cause it didn’t sell as well as you wanted or whatever, like the sucks. So for me, it just completely takes me out of the show and I can’t even enjoy if I wanted to rewatch it. Like Dawson’s Creek, I’m obviously gonna watch less than something like scrubs, but scrubs is like a good comedy. [00:20:59] It’s a good [00:21:00] thing to tune in and see. And even in syndication now, they. Have, you know, changed the music. And so if you just have it on as like background or something, like it sucks. Like I I’m happy that the OC, which has also some of the best music ever and, and the, the, the music supervisor on that is she did Roswell and she did Buffy and she did Grey’s anatomy and she did all the Shonda Rhimes shows and she’s like, I interviewed her when I was in college, she was very kind to me to agree, to talk to me about like her role as a music supervisor and breaking bands and stuff. [00:21:33] She’s like a master, but like the OC, you know, like broke big indie bands and like was legitimately like, had like actual impact on the, on the top. You know, on billboard and stuff. Um, they at least cause that’s was on Hulu and now it’s on HBO, max. Yeah. They at least did not like lose any of the music. Yeah. [00:21:53] Warner brothers is paying for it. They had it on, they had it by the time that show was out, DVDs were already a thing. So it was [00:22:00] written into the contracts. But you know, at some point if like the, the people at, at Warner media. Decide, they don’t want to pay, you know, for death cab for cutie anymore or, or whatever, like, you know, or journey, like, you know, you could see that going away and that’s just, I don’t know. [00:22:16] That’s, it’s shitty. It’s just, I mean, I don’t know, like, did you ever watch w KRP in Cincinnati? [00:22:23] 02Brett: [00:22:23] No. [00:22:23] 01Christina: [00:22:23] Okay. So I obviously like it ended, I think before I was born, but you know, it was, it takes place in like a seventies radio station. And so they played a lot of like real, like classic rock music and as a comedy sitcom and in syndication again, because it was a different time in the eighties, nineties, and people didn’t realize how much money they could make off of the licensing shit. [00:22:46]The original music was there, but when they, it was held up on release for, for home media and for streaming for like, Years and years and years, and years and years. And by the time it finally came out, you know, with the sound like stuff, just [00:23:00] for people who’d remember the show, it was ruined. The wonder years was another one where I think Time-Life did finally do a DVD release of the wonder years. [00:23:08] Cause you know, they used the Beatles. Like they had like. A big, a much bigger production budget, and then what you would get for like a primetime show today. And they, you know, had rights and use like the biggest, like, you know, essential songs from like the sixties and stuff on that show. And Time-Life got the rights for most of it for their home DVD release, but I don’t even think they were able to get everything. [00:23:32] And, and certainly when the wonder years has been on various streaming things, you don’t hear the Beatles and. You know, like it, I don’t know, it just takes you out of it. Um, that’s always like more classic shows, but even like, I could imagine, like if I was rewatching. Like the office didn’t really use, uh, popular music and community, I guess didn’t either, but you know, but you’re watching those things and it goes away. [00:23:53] Like, that’s just, it, it makes me sad, not just for me, if I want to rewatch it. Cause it will take me out of the show, [00:24:00] but it also makes me sad for like anybody who’s discovering it. Cause they don’t, they don’t get the, they don’t get the experience that the producers want it. They don’t get the all Toral intent. [00:24:09] 02Brett: [00:24:09] And then, and then you get to be like you kids wouldn’t understand. You don’t understand where this came from and what this means. I, we need a name for these rants. You, you go on, we need like a clever, uh, trademark, uh, if anyone’s listening and has a great idea for a catchy name for a Christina deep dive, uh, please, please write in w we’ll make a segment out of it. [00:24:38]01Christina: [00:24:38] Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, I’m, I’m, I’m off my high horse on that, but yeah, [00:24:44] 02Brett: [00:24:44] Do you keep a clean desk? [00:24:46]01Christina: [00:24:46] no. [00:24:47] 02Brett: [00:24:47] Yeah, me either. I just, I just cleaned my desk today and it feels very different, but I can’t say it feels better. [00:24:55] 01Christina: [00:24:55] yeah. Yeah, no, my desk. Okay. So I’m not going to turn this into a rant but [00:25:00] it is. It is a real problem. It is. No, but no, but this is becoming a legitimate problem. Okay. So I ordered a brand new 5k iMac, and it has arrived. It is vesa. It’s the one that just has the vesa mount. It doesn’t have this. Stand the issue is my vesa. [00:25:14] Um, a stand that I’m going to have to use an interim has not arrived yet, or actually supposed to come in today. So I will be packing up my, um, old, iMac and then setting up the new one. The issue is the whole reason I got it is because I just ordered a new standing desk so that I hate my current desk. [00:25:32] I’ve had it for three years. It’s just one of those, like, Ikea ones it’s terrible because I can’t Mount anything to it because of the way that the drawers work. Like it becomes too thick for me to Mount stuff. It’s just, it’s a terrible desk. I’ve hated it the whole time. I’ve had it to be totally honest. [00:25:47] Um, but my office it’s messy in a way that like, It’s a problem because my perfectionism, and to a smaller extent, I would say [00:26:00] maybe like my OCD, whatever is such a way that like, I become overwhelmed with the, how bad it is that I can’t do anything about it. But now it’s at this place where I’m going to have to spend, I’m going to, I have to like work to get myself into an emotional place where it’s going to take me. [00:26:16] A couple of days to completely clean out my office. Cause I’m just got boxes and shit everywhere. And you know, like, I’m just going to have to clean it and either get rid of separate or find other things to do, because I need to get this desk out. And I ordered this new standing desk, which is bigger, like significantly bigger. [00:26:35] And I’ve got, I now have a deadline. Well, I should have today. I ordered a very expensive Herman Miller chair that is not even in my office yet. Cause I can’t get it in my office. And I, um, Order the standing desk and that will ship and should be here, you know, uh, likely in a week, but I paid for somebody to come install it. [00:26:56] And the reason I’m doing that is because I’m not gonna be able to lift it [00:27:00] myself and grant has, is, um, has a. Some, um, like he has like a herniated disc and, and, uh, he has to take everything easy for like the next, like six to eight weeks. And so I can’t ask him to help me lift, you know, something that’s probably like, it’s like, it’s like a, a, a 72 by 30 desk and it’s. [00:27:20] You know, probably ways. I don’t know, I’m thinking 150 pounds. Um, and so like, even if I like, even if I could get the weight, I wouldn’t be able to like, just because that’s just too big for me to do. So I ha I paid four, I paid the $200 or whatever for the installation service and how that works is that they’ll track the FedEx thing. [00:27:38] And then once it arrives and I ensure that nothing’s broken, then the installers will come over and install it. So. My office has to be cleaned by the time that happens. Like it has to not just be clean. It has to be empty. So. No, my desk currently, it’s so terrible. Um, that I wrote like relay FM, asked me to write a desk thing for their, um, member. [00:28:00] [00:28:00] And I included a photo and the photo I included even show the horror of it. And I just wrote like a very like direct, like, yup. I am a trash person with a messy desk and this is my thing. And it was like, people really liked it. People responded well to it, but it was. Complete like one 80. Cause almost everybody else’s like desk setup, photos are like immaculate and are to me completely. [00:28:23] Like I don’t actually believe that people work and live that way. [00:28:26]02Brett: [00:28:26] I do believe that like, when I, when it comes to like minimalist workspaces, I don’t think anyone actually can work that way, but a neat desk. I like, I come from a family. With, like my dad’s an engineer. He’s very, uh, very, uh, tidy engineer. And my mom keeps everything. My mom has the, like a place for everything and everything that’s placed mantra. [00:28:50] And, um, like I grew up always in trouble because ADHD kids tend to be messy and they don’t do well with cleaning the room. So I was [00:29:00] always in trouble and once I was free to make my own decisions, I decided I like messy. And I’m not a slob. Like I keep my clothes clean. I take regular showers. I just don’t mind clutter. [00:29:14] And, and I rarely it’s, it’s rare that I can’t find something I’m looking [00:29:20] 01Christina: [00:29:20] You know where it [00:29:21] 02Brett: [00:29:21] very, yeah, I’m good at keeping track of stuff, which is not characteristic of ADHD. People week do tend to lose things pretty often, but I’ve developed coping mechanisms over a lifetime of this. I can almost always, I actually used to have an Evernote notebook where I would take pictures of stuff that I frequently lost and then write down where I put it every time using like the iPhone app. [00:29:45] I would like be like, this is now in the top drawer of the living room, a Curio cabinet or whatever. And, uh, that, that didn’t, I didn’t stick with that for long. Anyway, I, I have no problem, a cluttered desk. I really [00:30:00] don’t. And you’re right. People don’t show this enough. Um, people are very ashamed of their messes. [00:30:08] And so all you see are these pristine desktops with not even a cup of coffee on them, unless it’s a, an artisan cup of coffee there for effect, but I can, I could do with some more honest, a workspace photos. [00:30:25] 01Christina: [00:30:25] Yeah. Yeah. I’m going to post in our equip documents. We can put it in our show notes. I’m going to post the photo that I sent into relay. And again, this was the, this was the photo that made it look not as terrible, um, as it actually was. [00:30:41] 02Brett: [00:30:41] Yeah. That’s, that’s almost exactly what my I’m looking at. It, that’s almost exactly what my desk looks [00:30:46] 01Christina: [00:30:46] exactly. And, and, but the people were kind of like, Oh my God, or whatever. And I wound up sending some other photos of just like the other half of my office and some other things to people. Cause people were roasting me on Twitter and I was like, that’s fine. But no, what happened was. You know, they gave me a couple of weeks to do this. [00:31:00] [00:30:59] Like, Hey, can you, you know, do it right up at your desk and you’re set up and whatever I was like, yeah, sure. And in my mind, I was like, Oh, well, this’ll give me encouragement to actually fix and clean my desk and, and, you know, look fake like everyone else. And then of course the time comes. And that does not happen. [00:31:15] And it’s not a situation. Like I have an actual deadline now with the installers because I’ve paid money and people are coming to my house. And so it’s, it’s a different thing. I’m also like, you know, I’ve just spent $5,000 or $4,000 on, um, a law on a computer that, you know, one of the reasons I got the configuration I got is that I want it mounted, you know, um, on my desk. [00:31:38] And I want to have my second monitor, um, that I bought during quarantine, like on my desk too. And so, um, but it’s going to actually get taken care of, even if I have to hire someone to come and do stuff that it’s getting taken care of, but I, uh, the way I kind of rationalize it, I was just like, you know what, [00:32:00] like, I’m just going to read like the first paragraph of what I wrote. [00:32:03] I was like, so my office and by extension, my desk are a dumpster fire. When Steven gave me this assignment a few weeks ago, I’d hoped that it would offer me some sort of incentive to clean things up. It did not rather than scar you all. I’ve taken some photos that hide my office mess as well as I can. [00:32:18] While also allowing you to laugh. At slash with me, I imagine my office will be cleaned right around the time I’m allowed back into my corporate office. And, and, and that’s kind of true, but yeah, but I, I kind of like, you know, it was just one of those things that I was just like, fuck it. Like, I have a feeling that a lot more people’s desks look like yours and mine then like the ones that are, um, all over, like Instagram or Pinterest or Reddit or whatever. [00:32:43] 02Brett: [00:32:43] Sure. I will say that I keep all of my mess underneath my camera. So when I have to video chat or zoom, Or, uh, anything that involves my webcam, my office actually looks pretty neat. I have some guitars hanging [00:33:00] on the wall, a tidy little moon pod over in the corner where I nest, uh, and you can see the, like the edge of a keyboard. [00:33:07] You can see the edge of my, my walking desk treadmill, but if you pan down. It’s a jungle of cables and, and input devices, faces, and adapters and coffee mugs and bottles of medication. Yeah, this is a mess. I’m looking at a mess right now. [00:33:28] 01Christina: [00:33:28] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, other than seeing some boxes in the background, like that’s what you see, you see some boxes when I have my webcam on, or my actually my. Overpay the Sony that I paid too much money. Yeah. The camera is worth the money. I just didn’t need that type of camera for what’s. I primarily uses webcam, but anyway, um, That, uh, like, you know, the background and stuff mostly just kind of see boxes. [00:33:52] And so you can kind of say, Oh, it’s whatever, like the worst part. Cause it is pretty terrible is hidden. Um, and for a [00:34:00] while at first, the background was actually pretty clean. And now as this, this, this, you know, quarantine stuff has just gone on longer and longer. I’ve just cared less and less. It’s just kind of been like one of those, like the levels in which I like and try to hide from the world, my own. [00:34:16] Like problems are, I’m just like, do not care, but, uh, well, it’s so weird though. I was the neatest kid. Yeah. Like. I dunno, it’s a weird thing. I, um, I wasn’t diagnosed with the ADHD really until college. I went on medicine for it in high school, but that was primarily at the time, the way it was kind of described was it was, they gave me the ADHD medicine to counteract some of the sleepy, the side effects that I had from my antidepressants. [00:34:46] And also because, um, we found that it helped with my anxiety. But I was actually formally diagnosed in college. They’re like, no, you’re ADHD. You’re just like high functioning. But as a kid, not [00:35:00] only was I neat, I was like obsessive compulsive. Neat. Like if, you know, if a shoelace was. You know, visible outside of the drawer, if everything wasn’t put back, like exactly in its box. [00:35:13] And although I am still that way, right. Like electronics, other things. Like I keep the boxes of shit, you know, I usually put it back where that is. And like, you know, but like, you know, every toy, like even when I play with my friends, like I was the annoying kid who like, we weren’t allowed to take out another toy until we put the other one away and, you know, and, and everything was like had its place and everything was perfect. [00:35:33] And then when. It’s like, it was really when I hit puberty and I hit puberty. I’m like, like the, like the physical puberty or whatever, like late, you know, when I was like 15, she and 16. And when that happened, yeah, it’s in a lot of ways. It’s like something changed in my, in my brain and I became messy. Like, I just became messy and it did, I do for the most part. [00:35:55] Yeah. Know where everything is. And there are parts of my mess that can be organized. [00:36:00] Like if I have cans, they’re usually stacked up in like a very intricate way. And like, I usually know exactly where something is, but yeah, I just, um, like I became like the very typical, like ADHD person who was just like, Messy as fuck. [00:36:17] And it’s a problem because I do actually work a lot better in, in neatness and with structure. Yeah. [00:36:23] 02Brett: [00:36:23] I see. I don’t think I do, but do you get angry? If someone messes with your mess? [00:36:28] 01Christina: [00:36:28] Yes. [00:36:29] 02Brett: [00:36:29] I can. Nobody is allowed to help me clean. Like if I’m going to clean fine out, I’ll buckle down, grit my teeth and I’ll clean. Or now tidy everything up and I’ll put everything in that fabled place for everything. [00:36:44] And that’s fine. But if anyone, while I’m gone thinks, Oh, I’m going to tidy up for him. He’ll appreciate that wrong. I will not appreciate that. I will be angry with you and I will not be able to control my rage. It’s not a [00:37:00] rational thing. Um, I’m not like actually, like, I don’t hate you as a person for doing that. [00:37:07] Um, I’m not gonna retaliate by like messing up something of yours. I just, I have this very deep seated reaction to any knowing that anyone touched my, my precious mess. [00:37:21] 01Christina: [00:37:21] Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know what it is, it’s because you have the freaking Evernote thing of where everything goes and you know, like what it is, and I’m the same way. It’s like, I know. Where all of my terrible, like, things are like, I at least know where to find it. Like if I can get it, like at this point, Ashley would take help with my office because it’s so cluttered with boxes and it’s not like I want to, like, I want to like be clear, like, it’s not like. [00:37:44] I know there isn’t food or anything like that, that it’s, it’s mostly, it’s just like boxes of shit that I’ve ordered. And it’s just, you know, and it’s just like physical taken up so much space, but it, uh, so I would probably accept help in this, in this regard, but yeah, I’ve had this where, you know, we’ve hired people to come in [00:38:00] and clean and whatnot. [00:38:00] I’ve been very appreciative of what they’ve done, pay them a lot of money. And then I’m like, I have no idea where any of this stuff is. I have no idea where stuff is and I’ve lost stuff. And then I spend. So much time searching for it that I get, like create a mess again. So yeah, I’m the same way. I’m like, I need to be the one to do it. [00:38:14] It also feels like it’s probably a little bit of a control thing. I don’t know. It’s irrational. Like you said, where like, people think they’re doing you a favor and they don’t, but, um, yeah, we, um, We, we, we had a housekeeper in, in New York and she was great and we’ve tried a number of different people in Seattle, and it’s just, it’s been hard for us to find somebody that can be kind of reliable and consistent. [00:38:38] And also isn’t frankly like an outsized amount of money for. You know, what would be like? Cause once you have kind of a consistent regime, like, it shouldn’t be that much, you know, just coming in with clean the kitchen and maybe, you know, help with the laundry or whatever, um, you know, uh, clean the bathrooms or whatever. [00:38:55] But, um, so we’ve, we’ve struggled in Seattle to like find [00:39:00] somebody for that. And also there was a, you know, grant was unemployed for a long time. And so, you know, it, wasn’t also like an economical thing, but we were going to have to get back. On that, because I do function better with, um, with things neat, but it’s hard for me. [00:39:15] Like usually once I get it to a place where it’s good. I can keep it that way for a while. It doesn’t mean that it’ll all be perfect, but I can keep it relatively like in place. But the problem is, is that now at least for me, with my office, it has gone to the place where it’s not messy. It’s like untenable, like, you know, like I, like I said, I spent $1,500 on a chair that I, I’m not sitting in because I can’t get it in my office. [00:39:38] That’s a problem. [00:39:40] 02Brett: [00:39:40] Yeah, that’s problematic. I CA I’m not that bad. [00:39:44] 01Christina: [00:39:44] Yeah. [00:39:46] 02Brett: [00:39:46] Alright. You have my sympathy though. [00:39:47] 01Christina: [00:39:47] Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, and yeah, I mean, I think we can all kind of, you’ve probably been a place where you can like get to that point. And I, my, my thing is, is that just, I should have stepped in earlier and stopped it, but where, you know, [00:40:00] again, like the whole, I know where it is. And also frankly, like the anxiety around, like, if it’s like to be perfect or I don’t have the time to do this, or this is frankly overwhelming to me and whatever just keeps putting it off and putting it off. [00:40:10] And now it’s at the point where I’m just like, okay, I’m going to have to. Like spin however much time it takes and fix this. [00:40:17]02Brett: [00:40:17] And the thing. Aye. Aye. I can’t do house cleaners because I feel the need to clean before the house cleaner comes and it just feels like such a waste of money. The only thing it does is encourage it, like forces me to clean myself and then I should just pay someone to threaten me, to threaten, to come clean my [00:40:39] 01Christina: [00:40:39] Oh, yeah, that’s a good idea. That’s a good idea. Yeah. You know what? I used to be that way with house cleaners. And again, I think it’s kind of like me with both the, you know, my camera when I’m on video calls and like letting people see the boxes and also like showing like, uh, you know, part of my desk or whatever, in the really newsletter at a certain point, I was just like, yup. [00:40:59] Don’t [00:41:00] care. I don’t know it was, it was a weird, like mental thing for me. I think that when we finally got, got something in New York, it’s like, when you’ve had people come in and they like, see that your house is messy and that it’s problematic. And you’re like, all right, you know, I am paying you like at a certain point. [00:41:17] Maybe this was group. Maybe it’s a good, bad thing. I don’t know. Cause I grew up like, my mom is insanely neat. Like my, my, my parents house is immaculate. It is showroom quality. My mom will be the plaque person where like, she’ll say it’s such a mess when it’s perfect, you know, but she, you know, has like, will vacuum all the time. [00:41:32] And like when [00:41:33] 02Brett: [00:41:33] Sorry about the mess. Excuse the [00:41:35] 01Christina: [00:41:35] exactly, [00:41:36] 02Brett: [00:41:36] my pristine home. [00:41:38] 01Christina: [00:41:38] And she’s not seeing it as a flex. Like I think she really does see that, like there are imperfections and everybody else is like, what the hell are you talking about? And, um, you know, but like, you know, when the, the hardwood floors we had in the house that I grew up in. [00:41:52] My childhood home. Um, like she would, she would have like the wool kind of like buffers and like the wax she’d be like wax the hardwood floors and like all that [00:42:00] stuff. And the, the, the one that and their, their new house, um, you know, have like sealants or whatever if they don’t do that. But it’s, yeah, like the house is, is Steen. [00:42:08] And so, but she, we, we did have a maid when I was, when I was really little for a bit. And it was the same thing. My mom like would always clean for the maid and then she would get mad because the, the maid wouldn’t do. Things the way that she wanted, you know, so it was really one of those things, like, why are you paying for this? [00:42:24] This is not helping you in any way, but I’ve like gone to a thing. I think, cause I was raised that way. It was like, Oh, you know, it’ll be embarrassing to people. See your house like this, and now I’m like, I’m paying you. And I don’t like I got I’m at the point where I’m kind of like, I’m sure you were judging me and thinking all kinds of things about me. [00:42:42] And I’m kind of at the point where I’m like, I kind of don’t care, you know? Like, I don’t need to be friends with you. I don’t need to have anything else, like kind of don’t care. Like this is, you know, especially if you’re paying somebody like $50 an hour or whatever, I’m, I’m kind of okay with just being like, I’m kind of like fine. [00:42:58] 02Brett: [00:42:58] My girlfriend [00:43:00] definitely carries a lot more shame about the tidiness of the house than I do, because like the amount of effort it takes to prepare the house for company back when we used to have company, um, [00:43:14] 01Christina: [00:43:14] those days, [00:43:15] 02Brett: [00:43:15] It was super stressful to the point where I, I don’t even like inviting people over because that meant, that meant like four hours of house cleaning. [00:43:24] And I’m like, they’re my friends. They know me, they know me better than to think I live in a clean house. Um, so I, I don’t, I don’t, I do like, it was the, the shame of it was ingrained in me as a kid, but I have let go of a lot of that. Um, I can’t say it doesn’t exist at all. [00:43:46] But, um, speaking of things we weren’t talking about, uh, we have, uh, we have a sponsor this week. We actually, I could have transitioned to this at multiple points previously in our conversation. [00:43:59] 01Christina: [00:43:59] it [00:44:00] would have naturally been a really good segue, but this, it still works. [00:44:04] 02Brett: [00:44:04] So our sponsor this week is express VPN, uh, which. Like all VPNs, lets you choose where you are. Um, appearing to come from, which has the major benefit and express VPN is perfect for this, uh, of allowing you to tell services like Netflix and Hulu and. I BBC that you’re coming from a country that you’re not actually in allowing you to view thousands of streaming movies and TV shows that you wouldn’t be able to otherwise, uh, express VPN works for this, especially well, because it’s blazing fast, uh, you can stream and without with no buffering of anything. 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And in olden times, when I used to travel all the time, it would be the way that I would be able to connect to [00:46:00] us streaming services. In foreign countries. So like I was in India and I was able to watch the game of Thrones finale and I didn’t want to miss it, even though it wasn’t that good. [00:46:11] And the way that it worked, uh, at the HBO, in the hotel in India, didn’t carry it. And I tried to find like Indian streaming services that had it and I would have paid, but you needed an Indian bank account. I’m like, that was going to be a whole thing where I couldn’t do it. And so, yeah, I use, I use express VPN and I was able to log in to HBO, uh, whatever they called it then and, and watch it. [00:46:35] And it was also, it was actually interesting. I was in Paris when Disney plus launched and, um, it didn’t launch in Europe. It launched in the U S and, and I, but I was in Paris when it launched and I wanted to watch some stuff and sure enough express VPN. Work perfectly from Paris also had a, we’ve also had instances where like we were in, um, I was trying to get access to a show for a friend of mine when [00:47:00] we were in Iceland. [00:47:00] She wanted to watch something like, kind of for, for comfort and not Iceland, Finland w Washington for comfort. And yeah, once again, like express VPN, like I was able to connect to Hulu so that she could watch it. So, yeah, I mean, it’s, it’s, it is really good if you want to find stuff that, you know, cause every. [00:47:18] Service has different streaming agreements in different countries. And, and there’s some stuff like, especially if you can find like stuff that’s available in Canada, that’s where you’re going to have like built this, the slowest amount of latency, um, you know, depending on where you live in, in your connection. [00:47:31] And we especially be in works perfectly. Uh, but yeah, also, you know, the UK, you do it in other things. Um, it’s, it’s great. I’ve, I’ve been a big fan and, and happy pain user, like I said, for over a year and a highly recommended. [00:47:47] 02Brett: [00:47:47] Almost a hundred different countries that you can choose from. Um, and if you use our link right now at express vpn.com/overtired, you can get an extra three months of express DPN [00:48:00] for free. So check out Xpress, vpn.com/overtired, um, and thanks to express VPN for supporting this delight of a show. [00:48:11] 01Christina: [00:48:11] thank you. [00:48:13]02Brett: [00:48:13] all right, so we have a weird list of stuff. [00:48:17] I, I, my let’s let’s do a health [00:48:21] 01Christina: [00:48:21] Yeah, look, look, look, let’s do it. Christina and Brett, a health corner update. How are you doing with the, with stuff, Brett? [00:48:28] 02Brett: [00:48:28] I so about, I dunno, it’s been like four months now, five months, maybe. I, I quit nicotine. I’d been, I had quit vaping years ago now and had been using patches and lozenges for quite some time. And I quit and I didn’t no for sure that it was related, but you may recall that several years ago I lost 70 pounds. [00:49:00] [00:48:59] When I quit nicotine almost immediately within the course of 30 days with no diet changes, no exercise changes. I gained almost 30 pounds [00:49:09] 01Christina: [00:49:09] my God. [00:49:10] 02Brett: [00:49:10] and it was frightening. And I went to the doctor and there [00:49:15] 01Christina: [00:49:15] W was that the only, like you didn’t have any medication changes, [00:49:18] 02Brett: [00:49:18] no, no medication changes. The only thing that changed was trying to quit nicotine. So obviously I went back on nicotine. So now I have two problems I’m overweight and addicted to nicotine. Um, [00:49:30] 01Christina: [00:49:30] say? [00:49:31] 02Brett: [00:49:31] the doctor said that my metabolism had just shifted and, uh, like I’ve tried in the, in the succeeding months too. [00:49:41] Uh, to diet, to exercise more and nothing will change my weight. Even a pound. Like my weight is just stuck at two 20 and it does not fluctuate, no matter how good or how bad I am based on like someone’s idea of like proper diet and everything. [00:50:00] Cause I eat healthy to begin with. So for me, like calorie restriction is it there’s not much left to eat. [00:50:07] If I, if I restrict calories [00:50:09] 01Christina: [00:50:09] Yeah. Well, and in some ways I think that, I mean, and I don’t know, it depends on how much you’re eating or whatever, but like, in some ways it can have the negative impact. Like if you restrict too much, then your body goes into starvation mode and starts to like, you know, it doesn’t burn anything. So it has the, the inverse. [00:50:24] 02Brett: [00:50:24] nutrition is fun. So then I read about intermittent fasting and what I decided to try it partly to see if it could affect my weight and partly to see. Uh, how it affected my energy levels and I’ve been doing it now for a couple of weeks. I eat all of my meals between 1:00 PM and 9:00 PM, and then do not eat coffee, but no food, uh, for the rest of the day. [00:50:57] Uh, which really, for me just means [00:51:00] skipping breakfast, which, uh, I like breakfast food, but I have no need to eat it at a certain time of day. Um, so it’s been pretty easy. I have actually lost a couple, a couple of pounds, like not any like significant sudden improvement, but I’ve lost two pounds and it’s stayed off. [00:51:21] So the scales, no, two 18, um, which is still, I was two 65 years back. So two 18 is still, I’m not like back where I was or [00:51:34] 01Christina: [00:51:34] No, no, no, no, but it’s still to go to like, to gain 30 pounds almost overnight. I mean, not, it’s not, that’s not a small yeah, totally. And that has to be, I mean, cause you worked so hard. I mean, you changed your whole lifestyle. Like you, you started doing yoga, like your health improved in every level, like, and [00:51:51] 02Brett: [00:51:51] a divorced actually. I think those might’ve been related, but, um, But it has the intermittent fasting has helped my energy level. [00:52:00] Um, my focus in the mornings is it’s really good. Uh, there’s occasionally between noon and one, I’ll start thinking about lunch and then all I can think about is lunch. [00:52:13] And that gets that that is not productive. I can’t focus on other things then, but that is maybe one out of every seven days that happens. And for the most part, actually, I’m really liking the mental, the awareness and the energy level. I have. Um, you do get this thing where when you do eat at one, you get like a food fog out of it. But, this seems to be, uh, a reasonable lifestyle change that doesn’t require, like you don’t have to do all the Quito, paleo WeightWatchers stuff. You can eat just regular, healthy food that you enjoy. And it’s just a matter of when [00:53:00] you eat it. It’s a, it’s a, a diet timing instead of a diet. So I’m kind of liking it. [00:53:06] 01Christina: [00:53:06] Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. Um, it’s interesting. Like, I, I honestly, I haven’t ever explicitly done intermittent fasting and at this point my weight is the, the lowest it’s been probably, um, probably in a decade. Um, [00:53:24] 02Brett: [00:53:24] Since your double zero days. [00:53:26] 01Christina: [00:53:26] I mean, I’m back to my double zero days. So, uh, like that that’s, that’s completely back, like to the point where like, my, my problem actually now, especially with like the pandemic stuff is like, I have to like remind myself to eat. [00:53:38] And so I I’ve naturally kind of gone to that place where I might have like one big meal a day. I don’t do intermittent fasting, but I’ve done that. But even like, when I was younger, like my older sister always had this thing, she was always like no carbs after two. And. Uh, and other types of, you know, things that are frankly like, okay, no one listened to me or my sisters, like. [00:53:59] Uh, [00:54:00] advice on, on body, your body image, because it’s completely fucked and warped and messed up in every single way. So like no one take any of my advice around anything for dieting or anything else because my, my body image is, is fucked and, and my older sister’s most certainly is. Yeah. But you know, like there have been things that you would know, like when I was in college and, and I think I gained like 10 pounds. [00:54:20] It was not lot a lot. And, and you have to understand that I was like, 87 pounds when I entered college. So like, it really was nothing, but I was still freaked out by it and I was going to the gym and I was doing, you know, like other stuff, like, it was really what it was puberty thing. It wasn’t like, it was like a hormone thing. [00:54:36] It wasn’t anything else, but it was one of those things. It was like, okay, well, you know, if I, I don’t eat certain foods after certain times, or if you know, you do certain things around this, then. Things will balance out and it certainly works and lots and lots of people do intermittent fasting and people say that it can work really well. [00:54:53] I am curious with, like, with your ADHD meds, does that help with your metabolism or with like [00:55:00] your hunger or through kind of those, um, like the hard times with like that 12 to one. Does that have any impact at all? Or. [00:55:08] 02Brett: [00:55:08] You know, I’m not sure. I haven’t, I haven’t tried doing it without meds. Um, that would be interesting. I do know. I think that, like, this would be way easier if I had cocaine. [00:55:21] 01Christina: [00:55:21] Yeah, [00:55:22] 02Brett: [00:55:22] Um, great appetite suppressant. If you want to take anyone’s diet advice, I recommend, [00:55:28] 01Christina: [00:55:28] Absolutely. [00:55:29] 02Brett: [00:55:29] just a good, a good Coke habit. [00:55:31] 01Christina: [00:55:31] The, the, the cocaine diet is, is, um, it’s, it’s usually, it’s one of those, the doc, [00:55:36] 02Brett: [00:55:36] and effective. [00:55:37] 01Christina: [00:55:37] is proven ineffective doctors. Usually don’t like to recommend it, but it is proven and effective for sure. [00:55:43] 02Brett: [00:55:43] Not out loud anyway, [00:55:45] 01Christina: [00:55:45] Yeah, exactly. They’re they’re [00:55:46] 02Brett: [00:55:46] a wink, wink, and a nudge. No, don’t nobody do cocaine. It’s insidious. Don’t listen to me. Um, I’m bad. Um, but yeah, I’m not sure how I, I think, I think that [00:56:00] if I didn’t have my meds, I probably would think a lot more about food if that’s what you’re asking. And I, I think that’s probably the case. [00:56:09] Yes. [00:56:09]01Christina: [00:56:09] Um, you, you, you, or do you still, do you still, um, drink Soylent? [00:56:14] 02Brett: [00:56:14] Hmm. I have a 12 pack of the, the bottled stuff and I drink it when I’m too lazy to chew anything. There are times I get so into a project that the act of chewing seems too distracting. It’s like that hyper-focus that I get. And that’s when I’ll drink Soylent, which I think really is what it was designed for, for programmers who don’t want to make a meal. [00:56:44] Um, and, and so, yes, I do, but it’s not a regular part of my diet. No. [00:56:51] 01Christina: [00:56:51] yeah, cause grant has, um, you know, his weight has fluctuated. He’d lost a ton of weight and he’d gained some back, which is understandable to everything that’s happened. But one of the things that really [00:57:00] helped him was like, he’s basically just gone on like, Shakes, like as being his kind of like primary, you know, food source and then, and then going more keto with other things because he, um, he binge eats it. [00:57:12] He has some of the other stuff and it just becomes like a habit of, of other things. So, um, you know, he doesn’t do Soylent, but he does, you know, like whatever, some of those, you know, like meal replacement shakes or things are whatever. So I know that that can be helpful, but yeah, no, that’s, that’s interesting. [00:57:28]I’m glad that the intermittent fasting at least so far seems to be, you know, helping some, and I don’t know, maybe it’ll help kickstart things. When I, when I had that thing, when I went off my meds and, and I gained 40 pounds, you know, that was, that was hard. And I’m like, [00:57:49] 02Brett: [00:57:49] Like emotionally hard. [00:57:50] 01Christina: [00:57:50] Oh, yeah. Emotionally, it was, it was, it took me months to even realize what had actually happened. [00:57:56] And, and then [00:57:56] 02Brett: [00:57:56] was so proud to have lost the weight that it felt [00:58:00] like a real, it felt degrading to have gained any of it [00:58:04] 01Christina: [00:58:04] yeah. I was [00:58:05] 02Brett: [00:58:05] it was so much a part of who I had become, like, I’m a guy who lost all this [00:58:10] 01Christina: [00:58:10] right, right, right, right, right. Like, well, I was kind of in a, in a. I mean that I think I can relate to that. Cause I think that that’s how I would feel like I, you know, that happened and it, you know, I think that some of it was, you know, getting older and like being in my thirties and like, you know, metabolism changing and whatever. [00:58:27] And then some of it was, you know, to the fact that I was. When I looked at the amount of calories I was consuming, especially with the amount of regular soda I was drinking, it was truly important and stupid. Um, and then I think a lot of it too was, it was just like, okay, you know, you had been on this medication, uh, you know, dextrin for like really long time. [00:58:45] You went off of it. You ghosted your shrink, which is dumb. No one do that. You also went off of your antidepressants. Like, you know, I just, I made really bad decisions. And, but what I was able to do is before I went back on my meds, I did lose the weight. [00:59:00] Uh, but it, it took, you know, cutting out, cutting out sugar was the big thing and it wasn’t intermittent fasting, but it was a thing what I noticed cause, and I kind of fell into this is that I would tend to eat meals really late at night. [00:59:15] So I would get home from work late. And then I would order, cause you know, in New York city, like you can, there is delivery all times of the night and you can get, you know, diner, food or whatever. And so I would get stuff delivered. Yeah. And it would, I would be eating, you know, Um, high caloric, you know, high-fat whatever stuff like late at night, and then you could go and that’s not good. [00:59:33] So, uh, you know, I made a conscious decision to do that and unfortunately I lost the weight, but yo, I can’t imagine, like now it is like, Probably my, my greatest fear and I’ve never been a heavy person. And frankly, even when I gained the 40 pounds, like no one would say that I was always overweight. Like that, wasn’t the case. [00:59:50] It’s just my body. Wasn’t built to support that. Like my body is in my frame and whatnot is built a certain way and I need to weigh more than I weigh [01:00:00] now. But, um, certainly you know, where, where that was at. Like it wasn’t good. And I have like this, you know, total, like. Fear, you know what I mean of like that ever happening again. [01:00:13] So I can only imagine, like, you’ve worked so hard and you changed so many things, you lost all that weight. And then to see it come back when you haven’t gone into the bad behaviors that, you know, maybe led to it the first time, like that’s gotta be the worst part, right. [01:00:25] 02Brett: [01:00:25] I made like total lifestyle changes and kept them going for years and, and maintained 190 pounds per years. Anyway, speaking of food delivery, uh, during our first episode of this season, I talked about how living in a small town and it’s okay because we get all their deliveries, just like everybody else. [01:00:47] The day that came out. I got an email from hello, fresh saying that my food delivery for the week had been entirely canceled. [01:00:55] 01Christina: [01:00:55] Oh my God. [01:00:56] 02Brett: [01:00:56] Uh, they, they couldn’t get it to me in time, so it wouldn’t be [01:01:00] fresh. And now I wasn’t going to get it at all. So I’ve been living on like, well, no, I went grocery [01:01:06] 01Christina: [01:01:06] I was going to say you have a car, right? I was going to say, you can just go to the grocery store, right. [01:01:10] 02Brett: [01:01:10] what am I supposed to do? Grocery shop? Um, it was just ironic that, [01:01:16] 01Christina: [01:01:16] That day. That like, literally [01:01:18] 02Brett: [01:01:18] And, and honestly, I, it was probably a FedEx problem, but I’m going to blame Trump for it, just because you know, this whole male thing’s happening. And, uh, I had, I had breakfast with my parents as I do almost every Saturday morning. [01:01:33] We live in the same town and, um, they are, I don’t know if you know this about me, but I’m. I’m like beyond liberal, I’m a, I’m a radical, a radical leftist. [01:01:47] 01Christina: [01:01:47] what [01:01:47] 02Brett: [01:01:47] Um, yeah, I know. I try to break it to people slowly, but, uh, my parents are the exact opposite. They are radical. [01:02:00] Rightists uh, also known as fundamentalist Christian conservatives. [01:02:04] And we are really good at doing this ballet around certain topics or 90% of topics where we can kind of, yeah, we can kind of toe into it, but then everyone kind of just backs back up and says, uh huh. Okay. Um, I don’t remember what happened this morning. Um, we were talking about the pandemic and the government response to the pandemic. [01:02:31] That’s where it started. And a statement was made that Trump deserves credit for Pfizer’s vaccine. And I was a guest. Well, how could you say that? A company which stands to make billions of dollars off of the research that they’re funding, subsidized research they’re funding. Wouldn’t have come up with a vaccine no matter who was president or [01:03:00] what was done as long as there was a free market. [01:03:02] It seems to me that the credit goes to the drug companies and all of those of us who put the money in their pockets. And that led to, um, uh, chain of events that predictably ended up arguing about abortion rights. And that’s how breakfast went. [01:03:19]01Christina: [01:03:19] I’m. I’m really sorry. [01:03:21] 02Brett: [01:03:21] It is it’s frustrating to me because I, I watch enough, uh, left-wing analysis of right wing media. [01:03:31] Like, I’m not gonna say, like I watch Fox news to get their perspective on things like what I see the clips and I, when they lay out their arguments, I know exactly where they got them from. And I know the flawed information that they’re working with and. It’s hard to argue with people who just believes something. [01:03:55] They heard Tucker Carlson say like [01:04:00] there’s no, you can lay down all the facts in the world and they will be glossed over. And you get into those arguments where if you present a factual argument that can’t be denied, they just switched tax. Yeah, but what about this? And what about this? And that’s how you get from, uh, uh, Pfizer to abortion in a relatively short span of time. [01:04:27] We, the common ground we found was Joe Biden. Like both of us dislike Joe Biden, just for complete opposite reasons. Like they think he’s going to lead to socialism. And I think he’s not going to lead nearly far enough for socialism. Um, but we agree that he’s a bad candidate. Uh, we, we agree. We, we agreed that Trump is a bad person, but they’re going to vote for Trump and I’m going to vote for Biden. [01:04:59] Even though we [01:05:00] have our reservations. So that’s almost a common ground. That’s as close as we got to common ground. Anyway. Um, yeah, that, I just had to get that out, uh, I guess, because I can come home and I can rent to my girlfriend about, about that, but. [01:05:16] 01Christina: [01:05:16] no, I mean, I’m, I’m, I’m in a similar thing. I mean, and I’m in a weird thing where I, like, I can’t see my parents because it’s not safe and they live in Georgia and they’re both in their seventies. And even though they’re both very healthy, like I don’t want to potentially expose them to anything. And so I don’t know when I’m going to be able to see them again. [01:05:33] And that really scares me. And my dad’s, you know, just had this thing where he had like, hit like a stroke in his eye. And so he lost vision in most of his left eye. And it is, it’s really scary because he like, like, you know, everything was fine. And then he woke up one day and like he had like a weird [01:05:55]02Brett: [01:05:55] I just edited in a sound that [01:06:00] signifies that while we were talking, there was a horrible, um, rebooting disastrous rebooting of my computer. Um, so you were talking about, uh, your dad’s eye. [01:06:13] 01Christina: [01:06:13] Yeah. Yeah. So my dad had this, this random, just weird like thing. I think they call it like a stroke in his eyes or whatever, and he’s lost a significant amount of vision in one of his eyes and, you know, dealing with bath stuff and, you know, and, and that has everybody concerned. Cause you don’t like. Yeah, the eyes are kind of connected. [01:06:30] You know, I don’t want, you know, is that gonna affect the vision? It is good. I liked is he gonna have to wear a patch? I don’t know. And I can’t go out and see them because it’s not safe. And so I’m not under the position to argue, or I don’t feel like I’m in a position to argue, like I did when I was younger or even like I did in 2016 when at least then even if I didn’t see them that frequently, I was like, I can, you know, so I totally understand where you’re coming from and I’ve had so many of those same arguments. [01:07:00] [01:07:00] I just I’m at this point now with the current stuff that I just I’m having to not be the bigger person, but I’m just like prioritizing. I’m just like, I’m just staff of Facebook. I’m just not having the conversations about it. I’m just doing everything I can to like, not engage with it because I, I, I, I just. [01:07:21] Am worried that because I don’t, I don’t have that. She needed to see them. I don’t want like the times that we do talk or whatever, to be getting into arguments about like the most terrible person [01:07:33] 02Brett: [01:07:33] and that’s the thing is I really, I do. I love my parents. I, I appreciate that. They have always loved me, even though we differ very drastically, especially on politics. But on life in general, like they, their, their life is very much centered around their religion. And mine is very much centered around my atheism. [01:07:58] And, [01:08:00] uh, whether those two things are directly related as far as bioperine goes, uh, pretty obvious lines to be drunk. But yeah. Anyway, like I don’t, we yeah. Avoid those topics because we do have other things to talk about and. And we can be family without having to constantly be at each other’s throats and something went wrong this morning. [01:08:21] And I think partly because I decided I was gonna cheat and actually for the last few weeks, since I started this intermittent fasting, I’ve been just watching them eat breakfast, which has been awkward for all of us. Um, and this morning I was like, you know, I’m gonna, I’ll just, I’ll reduce calories for the rest of the day. [01:08:41] I’ll just out have some pancakes with them this morning. And I think I was feeling a little shitty about that decision. So I was already in a bit of a ornery place. And then I couldn’t, I just, [01:08:55] 01Christina: [01:08:55] well, and you’re human dude. You’re human. Like there’s only so [01:09:00] much. [01:09:00] 02Brett: [01:09:00] When people say things that I strongly disagree with I’m I am not a person who does a good job of biting my tongue. And I don’t hate that about myself. I actually, I consider that to be a sign of conviction, [01:09:15]01Christina: [01:09:15] I [01:09:16] 02Brett: [01:09:16] but, but there, there are times when it is far smarter in my life to, to just not say anything because I’m not going to change their minds. aye. Aye. Aye. Never, no matter how many facts I’ve come with, no matter how many studies and, and resources and well sourced material I’ve come at them with. I have never, they have never budged on anything and yeah, best we’ll find one point we already agree on and then leave it at that. And so it’s, there’s no reason I have to open my mouth. [01:09:55] There’s no reason. Like if I thought I could make a [01:10:00] difference, I would feel morally obligated to say, here’s why I think you’re wrong, but I’m not going to make a difference. So is there a point. [01:10:07]01Christina: [01:10:07] Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, I think that it’s probably not a point in arguing with them, but there is something to be said, and I think this is where. I, this is why I’ve spoken up. And I’ve had like, the argument sometimes is it’s like, if you, if you hear somebody saying something that is like factually or morally wrong, like, I don’t know. [01:10:24] There’s a part of me that does feel like a moral imperative to be like, no, this is not okay. And what’s happening here is not okay. And maybe we won’t agree. Maybe I won’t change your mind, but I’m not going to just sit back and like, listen to you. Like say something that’s like, Wrong. At least that’s how I’ve, I’ve traditionally been. [01:10:42] And now I’m in this position where I’m like not going on Facebook. We’re purposely not bringing any of that stuff up and I’m not engaging because I don’t want to get into it. Uh, I do think, I think for me, where I kind of draw the line, like grant gets into fights with his mom and stuff all the time and will argue with people. [01:10:59] I [01:11:00] try to go out of my way, not to argue with people on Facebook. Like even when I do go on, on, [01:11:04] 02Brett: [01:11:04] that’s never been productive in the history of Facebook. [01:11:07] 01Christina: [01:11:07] Right. And, and for me, I’m just also, it’s just one of those things. Like, I don’t appreciate people coming to like my posts and trying to like, argue with me and try to like, you know, like yell at me about stuff. [01:11:16] So why would I do that with them? Like, I’m just not going to do it, but I feel like it’s different. Like if we’re having an active conversation, That’s when it’s much harder for me to, to disagree gauge. Now there are obviously times when you have to be like the bigger person and you just have to like, recognize like, okay, this is, you know, your, your grandmother, grandfather, or this is your spouse’s parent. [01:11:41] And you’re not in a position where you, you should keep it, your mouth shut, right? Like that’s the plight and the correct thing to do do, or, you know, you’re in a social setting where it’s just not appropriate and you need to just like, Let it go. Um, and, and some people probably argue that there are never positions where you should let, you know, uh, incorrect and, and, [01:12:00] and terrible things be said without stepping in and encouraging them. [01:12:03] And yeah, maybe they’re right. But I just feel like there are, there are social situations where it’s just like, This is not the appropriate time to have this, this sort of outlay. And it’s like, you observe whatever they’ve said, you don’t agree with it. Um, and, and if you’re asked directly you push back, but you don’t need to get into a back and forth, but, you know, I, it is hard for me if I’m having a conversation, like I imagine, you know, you’re at breakfast and, you know, you hear that, that comes up and like, Yeah, it’s going to be really hard for you as somebody who is well read and well researched on it, even though you know that you’re not changing their minds. [01:12:36] It’s, there’s like a part of it. That’s like you, can’t not say something like, I don’t know. It’s hard. [01:12:43] 02Brett: [01:12:43] Have you ever seen the YouTube channel? Some more news. [01:12:47]01Christina: [01:12:47] No, I don’t think I have. [01:12:48] 02Brett: [01:12:48] You got to see this guy? I think, I think it’s Cody Johnson is his [01:12:52] 01Christina: [01:12:52] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. I didn’t know. I didn’t know. That was the name of it, but yeah, I’ve [01:12:55] 02Brett: [01:12:55] there’s a, there’s a whole team of writers [01:12:58] 01Christina: [01:12:58] Yeah. Yeah, [01:12:58] 02Brett: [01:12:58] the, but the he’s this, [01:13:00] his, his shtick is a disheveled looking newscaster. With like a five o’clock shadow slash full beard and a undone tie. And anyway, like his it’s, it’s the kind of, it’s the kind of liberal that I am like. It, it will acknowledge that there were a lot of problems with Obama and there were a lot of problems with bill Clinton and maybe even more problems with. [01:13:30] The interims, but, uh, like it’s something that is so, uh, left wing that I could never use it as a source in a conversation with my parents, but I will put it out there for anyone who thinks that the, uh, the democratic party has lost their way and, uh, are far too moderate. Here’s some, here’s a great YouTube channel for you. [01:13:55] It’s called some more news. And also even more news. It’s the podcast. [01:14:00] [01:14:00] 01Christina: [01:14:00] Excellent. Excellent. Yeah, I ha I’ve um, I don’t like watch him regularly, but I’ve seen his stuff before, but good. A good shout out, um, to that. So, We your computer like had a weird crashing thing and I, okay. I had the weirdest audio problem that I’ve discovered this week that I just wanted to share with you because I wanted to know if you’d ever heard of anything like this. [01:14:23] It’s absolutely insane. And I think it has to do with where I live. So I was recording something and in the silence bits or whatnot, there was this very faint, like radio-frequency. In the background of all of my recordings and I’m using like a very expensive mic and I’m using like a preamp and, um, you know, kind of an amp and like, you know, like digital, like recording, you know, device, like the setup is, is significantly better than what I usually use. [01:14:55] And it was one of those things that if you like, listen to it at, at, you know, kind of [01:15:00] not super high volume and you weren’t listening to, you know, the stuff like you wouldn’t hear it, but then it, like, if you, you know, you raised the game, you’re like, Oh, what the hell is this? So have you ever had that. [01:15:12] 02Brett: [01:15:12] I’m not personally, but I published a blog post about my, my current podcasting setup for these, uh, for these podcasts reboots. And one of the commenters mentioned that with his XLR. Mike going through a whatever interface and a couple of mixers. He had a lot of problems with cell phone interference, like having a cell phone too close to the setup. [01:15:42] And I I’ve experienced cell phone interference on recordings before. [01:15:46] 01Christina: [01:15:46] I have to. [01:15:47] 02Brett: [01:15:47] that’s happened. So I’m wondering if there’s something that’s not shielded properly or. [01:15:53] 01Christina: [01:15:53] Well, and, and that was kind of my initial thought. And when I was troubleshooting with the people, I was like recording with, like, we were [01:16:00] playing with that and they were like, are you, are you grounded? And I was like, yeah, I was in a direct, like a three-pronged ground. And she was into, you know, an extension into a three-prong like, You know, outlet, but I liked indirectly, directly plugged in, you know, I changed stuff around, well, what it turns out. [01:16:14] And, and, but then when I was talking to grant about this, we kind of realized actually it’s funny. One of the people I was working with, he mentioned that he used to live in Seattle. And when he lived in Capitol Hill, where I live, he had like a turntable and he had, I guess, like a, kind of a shitty pair of like amplified speakers or whatever. [01:16:31] And he would hear radio noises coming through. Those amplified speakers. And when he said that it hit me, I was like, grant has a car that doesn’t have an antenna, but can pick up NPR. And KEXP was just like the indie rock station. And the, we also had situations where we have like really shitty amplified speakers. [01:16:54] Like we had them in our kitchen and they were like, just really tiny, like computer speaker things. And I could [01:17:00] hear very faintly, like radio signals. So. What it is, is that I think it’s because I basically live on, on top of like two radio transmitters. And it is something that like is in the way walls and the ground and whatever, what we wound up being able to kind of fix it. [01:17:18] It was a most bizarre thing. I was connecting the, you know, recording device, um, over USBC to my Mac and passing through that way. And. They said, okay, we’ll unplug the USB cable and see if that, you know, maybe fixes the issue. And in my mind, I’m like, okay, but the USB cable it’s ones and zeros, like, there’s no way that this is going to have any impact on anything. [01:17:41] And, and I still feel like technically that makes complete sense. Like there’s no reason that the USB would have any impact, but for whatever reason, when I unplugged that and then just recorded directly on that device and didn’t have that pass through. Going through the computer, which was then going through, you know, like, you know, Skype or whatever. [01:17:59][01:18:00] It’s like the, the, the situation fixed itself. So now I wonder, like if maybe there was an issue with how my man book is grounded and that is, you know, the issue, I don’t know, but it’s the most bizarre thing, cause I’ve never heard anything like it. And it’s one of those things. Like, you wouldn’t hear it at like kind of, you know, normal volumes, but like with things way raised and like something recorded, especially on like a very, very high quality, like Mike that picks up kind of like everything that you hear. [01:18:26] This it’s radio, it’s a radio frequency. It’s the most bizarre thing. It’s like, I have like spooked stuff. So like between that and, um, you know, my SD card breaking and half in my hand. And you having like, reboots, like, I’m just, I’m just feeling like there’s some sort of audio curse on me this week. [01:18:44]02Brett: [01:18:44] It’s just 2020. That’s just how bad this year is. Everything’s just breaking. [01:18:49] 01Christina: [01:18:49] Hurricane fires, dude. [01:18:51]02Brett: [01:18:51] What the fuck? Right. [01:18:52] 01Christina: [01:18:52] Like what the fuck? I don’t know. [01:18:55]02Brett: [01:18:55] Oh, no. What? [01:18:56] 01Christina: [01:18:56] I mean, I just, I don’t know. I was just like, you know, just [01:19:00] all of it, just all of it. Not, not, not anything specific to, uh, to, to us or anything, but yeah, [01:19:05] 02Brett: [01:19:05] yeah, no hell of a year. Hell of a night. Hi, Ted. Nothing like a late nineties, Madonna four rooms references. [01:19:14] 01Christina: [01:19:14] for real, for real I talk about people. Like I do give her a pass, cause she’s like 61, but like even I’m at this point and I’m like heart, you know, we’ve, I’ve defended Madonna many times on this podcast and I’ve been, I’m like, okay, Madonna, like just, yeah. [01:19:31]02Brett: [01:19:31] Tishi really need money. [01:19:34] 01Christina: [01:19:34] Right, right. I mean, I think, I think what it, for her, what it probably is like, she still looks great and like, her body’s still really like, other than like, when she had like her hurt, but she fell and had the knee problem or whatever. Like she still like looks really fit. And I think she’s probably, I don’t know. [01:19:46] I’m kind of like, cause I have this massive fear of aging and I have a feeling like hers has to be like three times that thing, she just doesn’t want to like admit that like, you know, she doesn’t. Like, I don’t know, like go, not go [01:20:00] away, but like, you don’t have to, you don’t have to continue to be doing all the stuff that you do. [01:20:06] I know she’s 62 actually. Shit. She just turned 60, 62. Yeah. I mean, she looks amazing, [01:20:12] 02Brett: [01:20:12] She does. She does. and I, I, I get it. I get it. And I, Madonna is probably always going to be hot. [01:20:21] 01Christina: [01:20:21] Yeah, totally, totally. Um, But yeah, no, I mean, there’s, there’s just things where it’s just at this point with Madonna will always be hot and Madonna will always be Madonna, but there are just certain things. I’m just, you see her on social media and doing stuff and we’re just like, dude, it it’s going cringe in ways that shouldn’t stop. [01:20:39] 02Brett: [01:20:39] She could just, she could pick up like young guys and live a very private life and get all the affirmation. I think that a 62 year old pop star could need a, without having to put herself out there and ways that are potentially embarrassing. [01:20:57] 01Christina: [01:20:57] Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And it’s not [01:21:00] just embarrassing for her, but if like, you know, I, I feel bad for like, for Lordis. Like I, I, you know, and, and the other kids and like, yeah. Cause, you know that they’re like looking at this and they’re like, mom, just stop. You know that, they’re just like, they’re like, mom, seriously, like you’re making this difficult for all of us, but yeah, I think just, just like, [01:21:19] 02Brett: [01:21:19] we’ve talked about this mom. [01:21:21] 01Christina: [01:21:21] keep it off Instagram, that’s all I’m saying, like still do your thing. [01:21:24] Still do all of your stuff and actually still tour or whatever, but like just keep it off Instagram. Like you don’t need to just keep it off Instagram. [01:21:32] 02Brett: [01:21:32] If I, if I had any level of success in my twenties and thirties, I would definitely want to not be touring in my sixties. I would like to say. Um, I can live off residuals and royalties for the rest of my life and not touring is not easy. [01:21:56] 01Christina: [01:21:56] no, no, [01:21:57] 02Brett: [01:21:57] on a show is not easy. It’s a young, [01:22:00] it’s a young person’s game. [01:22:02] 01Christina: [01:22:02] yeah, I have to wonder, I don’t know. I mean, in, and I don’t want this to go or episodes already super long, but I do have to wonder, like, if this is one of those things where if it’s not, it’s not about the fact that you have the money or the success. I think for some of these people, like, I think that for her, I think that for maybe people like the stones, people like Paul McCartney, like this is something where it’s a huge part of your identity. [01:22:24] Like if you aren’t. A musician, if you aren’t playing publicly, like, cause here’s the thing, like obviously there are some people who can say, Oh, I just do this for the art, but there are, there’s another component to it, which is you do it because you do like that. People listen to it. You like the affirmation, you like the public part. [01:22:40] Like there’s nothing wrong with that. Like I’m, I’m. I mean, you and I were doing this podcast and I do stuff because I like the public affirmation of it. And I like to share myself and whatnot. Right. Like I’m I, um, I enjoy that. And so I wonder if for some of those artists, like, if it’s, because them it’s on a much, much bigger level, right? [01:22:57] Like if it’s one of those things where it’s like, [01:23:00] for some of them, not all of them, but for some of them, their personalities are just such that like, they, can’t not, not only not create or whatever, but they, can’t not like be. Sharing that and be public because that’s a core part of their identity. [01:23:13] 02Brett: [01:23:13] Well, and it’s a huge, ah, if, if you’ve come to rely on public affirmation for your self worth. If that becomes a big part of how you see yourself, I can see that being hard to retire from. Um, but I think that any healthy person can retire and can find new interests and new fulfillment in things that maybe aren’t what they did when they were 20 years old. [01:23:47] But that’s just me. I hope to retire and be a very lonely curmudgeon someday. [01:23:54] 01Christina: [01:23:54] Yeah. Yeah, no. And I think that for most people, that’s probably true. I don’t know though, with your [01:24:00] Madonna, like. [01:24:02] 02Brett: [01:24:02] I’m not, if [01:24:03] 01Christina: [01:24:03] I know you’re not, but, but you know what I mean? I think that like, if you are somebody who is Madonna, who like. It is a core part of everything that you’ve done. It has to be really difficult. [01:24:14] I w I would imagine like, kind of reconciling the fact that not only are you changing an aging and that the world is changing around you, but you’re, you’re not, you know, even 40 anymore. Right. That it’s like, it it’s different. I don’t know. I, I, I have, I don’t know how I would deal with that. And, and I it’s, it’s interesting to see, um, have you watched the Taylor Swift documentary, miss Americana? [01:24:40] 02Brett: [01:24:40] It’s on my list, but no. [01:24:42] 01Christina: [01:24:42] All right. So I want you to watch that I will listen to some and you will send me some other things to like watch and listen. But my homework for you is to watch miss Americana, because I would love to have a discussion with you about it. I’m on a future show because it’s a really interesting documentary. [01:24:57] And she’s, she’s one of [01:25:00] those that I do. I’m curious how she will, she’s obviously like made a conscious decision to be less in the spotlight. Like it’s. Very conscientious. What, at the same time, like, especially if you watch the documentary, you do see that most of her self worth and self identity has been based on like public affirmation. [01:25:20] And it’ll be interesting to see like, I’m very interested to see like what Taylor Swift will be like in 30 years. You know what I mean? Like if she’s like a Carol King or like a Joni Mitchell and kind of, you know, like a, you know, either kind of in, um, like nobody knows where you are or, you know, just comes out occasionally for, you know, worst memories and whatnot, or if she’s, you know, like a, like a Tina Turner, um, who kind of hires gracefully, or if she’s like a Madonna, who’s still, you know, doing it. [01:25:50] 02Brett: [01:25:50] Doing it [01:25:51] 01Christina: [01:25:51] Is still doing it. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, but also, but that just made me think [01:25:55] 02Brett: [01:25:55] cute. Do you want to know my prediction? [01:25:57] 01Christina: [01:25:57] that? [01:25:58] 02Brett: [01:25:58] I think Taylor Swift [01:26:00] will continue to evolve as a musician and she will play age appropriate music. If she’s still still putting out albums at the age of 60, she will put out an album that makes sense to the people who have been lifetime fans of hers in a way that expresses. [01:26:17] A growth and an understanding that one is not a teenage pop star forever much. Like she already has, like, this is I, this, I, I make this prediction because we’re already seeing it happen. Um, I don’t think she’d go away entirely, but I think she would disappear for five, six years at a time and then make a, make a splash on the scene by doing something, um, age appropriate. [01:26:44] That’s that’s my prediction for the classy Taylor Swift. [01:26:47] 01Christina: [01:26:47] Yeah. I think you’re probably right. I think, and you’re right. We’re already kind of seeing that, but I think you’re probably right. Although it is interesting to think about like, Because we haven’t ever seen, we haven’t seen this yet with like the, with female, um, like pop stars, like especially young [01:27:00] ones, like Madonna, um, when she plays, like she does still play stuff from like some of her earlier stuff, but like, she never wrote like a confessional, like teenage music, you know, she was in her twenties when she started. [01:27:11] So it’s different. Like, you know, uh, it would be interesting to see like what happens when. Like would Brittany Spears assuming she ever reforms again? Like, would she still be doing like the bubble gum pop stuff in her forties and [01:27:24] 02Brett: [01:27:24] would anyone take her seriously if she wasn’t though, [01:27:27] 01Christina: [01:27:27] Well, right. I mean, but nobody’s takes her seriously anyway, but like you go to Brittany Spears cause you want to see baby one more time. [01:27:32] You want to see toxic. You want to, you know what I mean? Like she’s, [01:27:34] 02Brett: [01:27:34] And a 60 year old woman and a school girl skirt singing baby. One more time is not going to fly. [01:27:41] 01Christina: [01:27:41] Yeah. I mean, although here’s the interesting thing, a six year old woman, you’re exactly right. It wouldn’t, but what’s weird is that like the boy band still get so many people going to their shows and their concerts and their residencies. Yeah. Like it’s nuts. I mean, they’re all older, obviously, right? Like nobody, you know, [01:28:00] I mean clearly like young people are not going to go see the Backstreet boys, but the Backstreet boys do incredibly well with, and it’s been good for them. [01:28:08] Cause their fan base is now like in their thirties and, and, uh, Has money and like, you know, can, can spend money on stupid stuff. Like seeing, you know, some guys who were like edging on 50, like still singing bubblegum pop songs from like 25 years ago. And you’re like, dude, so it’s weird. Like that, that’s a weird, that’s what we were gendered thing. [01:28:30] 02Brett: [01:28:30] that is a weird double standard dish kind of, um, I bet Brittany Spears hates that about them. [01:28:37] 01Christina: [01:28:37] Yeah. I mean, I. I would too, but also, I mean, you know, I don’t want to get into the whole, like things that are going on with Brittany. Cause it, all of it bothers me. But, um, I think that I don’t, I don’t know how much she cares. I think she just is like happy to be with her super hot young boyfriend and to dance around and you know, just live in whatever weird bubble she lives in which [01:29:00] like good for you, Brittany. [01:29:00] Like. I really do hope that she does, you know, decides that she wants to return to performing again. Cause I wasn’t able to see her in her Vegas residency and it really upset me that I didn’t have that opportunity. And I’ve seen her live before and she’s not a good live performer. Like she, like, she doesn’t sing. [01:29:16] She lip syncs, which is good for everyone cause she can’t sing. And you know, the dancing is, you know, I saw her like at peak Brittany and it was okay, but I will be honest. I saw Madonna the same year and Madonna was better like legitimately the Madonna show that year was. Madonna was a better dancer, a better performer, a better singer, like better production. [01:29:34] Like the whole thing was better. Madonna, you know, it’s, you know, um, more than 20 years older than her. So, um, that like is, uh, interesting, but, um, I still like wanted to see like the Brittany comeback, you know, kind of tour thing. So I would still like to have that experience, but I will say also it will be weirder. [01:29:56] You know what I mean? Like, I can’t imagine seeing a 50 year old Brittany Spears, like. [01:30:00] Like you said like six or six year old, like in the, in the, you know, um, you know, school uniform, like dancing around, like, that’s just, I don’t know. Although at that time I’ll be like, you know, 60 year olds, six years old too. [01:30:14] So I don’t know. [01:30:16]02Brett: [01:30:16] Alright. That was a fun episode. Even with a reboot in the middle of it. [01:30:22] 01Christina: [01:30:22] I know, I know, uh, it was good stuff. All right. So your, your homework is missing Marikana in addition to K Flay, what homework do I have? [01:30:29]02Brett: [01:30:29] Watch some more news. [01:30:31] 01Christina: [01:30:31] Okay. I will watch some more news. Alright, excellent. [01:30:33] 02Brett: [01:30:33] The problem that he has some that are like clip shows that are, uh, 10 to 20 minutes long, long, but his really good stuff is 28 and, and an hour and eight minutes. Um, so it, it takes some time investment, but you can get a feel and, and you can catch up with his latest stuff, uh, by catching some of the clip shows. [01:30:55] 01Christina: [01:30:55] Okay. That’s [01:30:56] 02Brett: [01:30:56] I’ll, I’ll, I’ll link a [01:30:57] 01Christina: [01:30:57] Okay. Link a couple. And um, [01:31:00] and also I will, I will listen to some more, uh, Kay. Flay and, uh, excellent. Alright, Brett, [01:31:06] 02Brett: [01:31:06] Yeah, get some sleep, Christina. [01:31:08] 01Christina: [01:31:08] some sleep, Brett.

Overtired is officially back. Like officially officially, with weekly episodes and everything. We hope it was worth the wait! New Overtired website DaVinci Resolve Blackmagic Keyboard The Morning Show Succession Tiger King Donnie Darko Life in Pieces Movies Anywhere Amazon Fire TV Stick 4k Plex Mr. Right Silicon Dust Channels — Live TV, everywhere Setapp So you got Setapp… make the most of it How to ADHD Taylor Swift – folklore k.flay Thanks! You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Transcript [00:00:00] **Brett:** [00:00:00] Alright, welcome to… we’ll call it season two of overtired with Brett Terpstra and Christina Warren. How’s it going, Christina? **Christina:** [00:00:10] It’s good ish being okay. It’s great to be talking to you. It’s great to finally be back with season two of overtired in general. I think that it would be disingenuous to say that the world is good. But right now, as we talk, like I’m genuinely thrilled to be talking to you again and to be doing this show again. **Brett:** [00:00:33] if we’re being honest, the world is kind of shitty, and this is a, a shining, a gem, a light in the dark for me. To finally be podcasting again with you. **Christina:** [00:00:45] 1000% in agreement, 1000% in agreement, it’s been over a year since we did one of these. For some reason, I thought that we’d recorded in October. No we’d recorded in October and then we recorded in June. And then now [00:01:00] it’s August. I don’t even know what month it is because a pandemic time **Brett:** [00:01:05] It’s March. **Christina:** [00:01:07] it’s honestly, in my brain, it’s still is. **Brett:** [00:01:10] week, 100 of March. yeah, June 19th. Uh, just so everyone knows there’s a new home for overtired on the web. If you go to overtired pod.com, we’re still, uh, the misspelled version of overtired OVR, T R D on Twitter. So we’re, we’re working to rebuild our audience. Uh, maybe make it even bigger. We’re going to start, uh, broadcasting weekly, again, podcasting weekly again. Uh, and the hopes of, uh, building a real show out of this once again. **Christina:** [00:01:46] Yeah. Yeah. We’re actually going to be kind of taking this seriously again, like we were in olden days and I’m super excited. I was, when you reached out to me, you were like, you want to start doing this regularly? I was like, yes, [00:02:00] God. Yes. Because again, to your point, there’s. I’ve missed this. This has been one of the few kind of like shining beacons of light in an otherwise kind of terrible universe. **Brett:** [00:02:12] So you had a birthday since our last episode, right? **Christina:** [00:02:15] I did. I did. And **Brett:** [00:02:17] have to, it’s been over a year. Of course. You’ve had a **Christina:** [00:02:19] over a year, so of course I’ve had a birthday. No, but it’s, it’s funny because. Um, obviously, uh, yeah, I’ve had a birthday. You’ve had a birthday, but my birthday, which is in November, I was actually in Paris. And it’s so bizarre to think about because I had a few international trips. Yeah. The beginning of this year, before the COVID stuff went into. Super hyper overdrive. In fact, I, I can’t say bunch of international trips. I was supposed to, I had to still go to Singapore because I had to fly through there, but I was supposed to actually do an event there that was canceled. This was in mid, mid February. I was supposed to be in Zurich that got canceled. Literally, as I was leaving for the airport, I was supposed to [00:03:00] be in Tel Aviv. I was supposed to be, um, some other places. So. It’s weird. I was in, um, Australia in February, but I was in Johannesburg in January, but the last trip, I guess, that felt like completely normal in terms of, you know, nothing being in the least bit, even in the back of your mind, like weird was in November when I was in Paris for my birthday, I was there for work, but it happened to too. Follow my birthday. And so, uh, it’s really, it’s bizarre to kind of look back on that, uh, you know, like a little more than six months later and to be like, the whole universe is completely different than it was then. **Brett:** [00:03:45] Yeah, I have my birthday in the middle of a pandemic, so I can’t imagine right now being in Paris for my birthday. **Christina:** [00:03:55] Right. So how, what, how, how did a, well, first of all, happy birthday and [00:04:00] how did the, the, the pandemic birthday go. **Brett:** [00:04:03] happy birthday to you too. But, uh, so this was my 42nd birthday and I have planned for years to have a hitchhikers guide themed party for my 42nd birthday. **Christina:** [00:04:18] As one does. **Brett:** [00:04:19] and that did not happen. Um, I had a, I had a solo-bration with my girl friend and she got me a towel and a sodastream, but, but the towel was very thoughtful. Uh, it has, it says 42 on it and it has the Hitchhiker’s thumb. Uh, so that was very sweet. It’s currently, it’s currently my keyboard pads so that you can’t hear me typing during podcasts, but it w the way I’m looking at it is when this is. Settled down when the, when the pandemic is less, um, uh, uh, a front of mind thing, maybe I’ll have [00:05:00] a, a belated 42nd birthday since it was the only party I plan to have. I don’t plan to have another party until I’m 50. Oh my God. 50. Um, but I can wait till I’m like for my 45th birthday, I’ll have a 42nd birthday party. **Christina:** [00:05:18] Yeah, no, I think that’s fair. And it’s interesting. I think that’s what a lot of us are kind of having to do is that it feels like in a lot of ways, like 2020 is kind of like a Mulligan year. **Brett:** [00:05:28] for sure. For sure. **Christina:** [00:05:29] You know what I mean? And, and so I feel like even if it was like 43, 44, 45, whatever, whatever you decided to do was like, this is the 42nd birthday. This is the celebration. Uh, and I don’t know, in some ways it’s kind of interesting. It puts into perspective. it really does show how subjective. Things like birth dates are, right. Like obviously there is an anniversary of the sun rotating, you know, uh, the earth rotating around the sun or whatever. Right. So you, you can say that it has been this year, the lunar cycles [00:06:00] since that happened, but the rest of it is fairly subjective. Meaning that like what numbers and what values we ascribe to those things can be fungible. And that’s kind of, what’s been interesting about this whole time is that. Like the actual milestones and the stuff itself matters less than the, like what, what the actual value is, if that makes any **Brett:** [00:06:24] Yeah, no, we’re finding out a lot of things matter less than we thought. Uh, employees or employers are finding out that having people in the office matters less than they thought. Uh, so many things that we thought were vital to American culture are less important than we thought. Some things turned out to be very important, but in general, it’s a exposed a lot of, especially in the capitalist economy, it’s exposed a lot of, uh, things that we had taken for granted that maybe we shouldn’t have. **Christina:** [00:06:57] Yeah, I would agree with that. [00:07:00] It’s interesting because, okay. So I live in the city. And I have, you know, um, always liked living in the city I live in, in, um, Capitol Hill in Seattle, also known as the place where I wasn’t in the middle of kind of the, the occupational protest zone. I was a few blocks away from where all the hardcore stuff was happening. The advantage there was that I was very lucky. I still got mail, uh, but you know, um, like support the movement. What not. The, the white people who decided to co-opt the black lives matter movement, less. So, but anyway, putting that aside, you know, I’ve always lived in cities, you know, ever since college I’ve, I’ve always lived in the city and I haven’t had any desires to live in the suburbs and I haven’t had any desire to be anywhere other than like in the middle of everything. And. With us not being an offices. So commute times and things [00:08:00] become more negligible. And with the advantages of cities, things like, you know, bars and restaurants and nightlife and access to places that you could go no longer being a thing, all the advantages in many parts of like living. And paying frankly, exorbitant rents to live in the city kind of disappear. And so I haven’t seriously considered this, but the first one, my life I have actually kind of looked at. Okay, what would it look like if I didn’t live like in the middle of the hustle and bustle of everything, which is it, which is weird. **Brett:** [00:08:36] it would be, you could have a podcast, Christina and the country. **Christina:** [00:08:40] I mean, as long as I have good internet, that would honestly be like a requirement. **Brett:** [00:08:44] is, that is, I always say like with my kind of, um, introversion and like, even when I lived in cities, I enjoyed having places to go out to eat, but I didn’t, I, it didn’t matter to me. [00:09:00] Um, I w I could live anywhere. You could put me in a cabin. It isolated out in the boonies. As long as I had good internet, my life would be just as rich as, as it is in any city. But I say that as someone who’s now lived in a town of 30,000 for like the last decade and I’ve just gotten used to it. I like this town. I don’t miss cities. **Christina:** [00:09:29] Yeah, I mean, but it is interesting. You talked about like how we realize things matter less. I am hoping that cities come back because I think that they’re important. But, you know, but like for me, like, like Caitlin, you live in a town of 30,000 people, I think, uh, Seattle proper, like not counting the entire Puget sound area, which obviously gets way bigger is like 750,000 people. And it’s just, again, it just kind of changes things. It’s like, what, what does your calculus look like when you don’t have [00:10:00] these things that you’ve put this big emphasis on and that you’ve paid a premium for? And that you’ve kind of like. Surround, like you basically centered your life around, you know, things like, okay, how, how long has it taken me to get to the office? How long, you know, like, what is the right kind of location to how close am I to everything else? And so things, different things matter, right? So it’s less about like how close am I to different bars and restaurants and more, is it, am I within, am I in a location that has good delivery options? You know, is, is there a grocery store that is. Uh, close by, like, does you know, to various food services or are there options that can deliver if those are things that are important? Like how long does it take to get to a store assuming that you have a store or how frequently can Amazon or, or who else, uh, deliver, you know, what we buy and that changes stuff a lot. And, uh, yeah, it’s, it’s interesting. **Brett:** [00:10:57] just for reference in my little town and I live [00:11:00] on the outskirts of a little town. I can get my Amazon deliveries in one to two days. I am five to 10 minutes away from every kind of store I need for a Central’s. Um, I have restaurant options. I get my hello, fresh deliveries every Tuesday. Like I I’m lacking for nothing. **Christina:** [00:11:20] That’s awesome. And, and I think that that’s actually remarkably true for most of those things, right? Like I think that, that is the thing with that is that, um, at least people like me are kind of learning. Yeah, these, unless you were in a place that is really disconnected, which is getting harder and harder to find, it certainly still exists, especially in some parts of rural America, but it’s getting much, much harder to find thanks to just kind of the tentacles of how, you know, e-commerce and globalization and other stuff works that you don’t need to be in the center of a place that you may have [00:12:00] 20 years ago. Right. **Brett:** [00:12:01] Yeah. I think the only real reason to live in a city is because that’s where a lot of the jobs in certain industries are. **Christina:** [00:12:08] right. And now all that changes demonstrably too, right? Like that becomes a very much a thing that is different, which is really interesting to kind of think about because, um, For instance, I’m not going to be back in the office. They claim that January 21st is the earliest school. We will be back in my gut tells me that that will probably be pushed back at least once more. And so I could conceivably look at being out of the office for a year. And then once I do go back in, it’s not kind of a guarantee that it’s going to be the same thing and I worked. On a team that like every, every team at Microsoft is different, but my team was actually pretty remote friendly. You know, we had people who were kind of located all over the place, but what was different, I guess now is that people have had to, [00:13:00] um, really be remote friendly. So it’s, it’s different, um, than it was even before. Right? Like, There were certain teams where it was kind of like understood, okay. We have people who are located all over the country or all over the world. And so we know how to deal with one another from different time zones and locations. And we can work together just as well using, you know, things like teams or Slack or, or whatever, as we could, anything else. But there were other teams within the company who it’s like really need that FaceTime. Like you really need to be in the office and see people. And, uh, that is, is now changing and I’m not sure if that will be a permanent change. I have a feeling that it will become a hybrid. My hope is that it becomes a hybrid. My hope is that I don’t want. The whole notion of an in person, an office for people who can benefit from it to go away. I think that that would be a mistake. I think that it’s a mistake to say we should just get rid of offices altogether, because although I think that [00:14:00] works well for some individuals and it’s certainly good if like you are doing your own business and like, you kind of work for yourself. I. Don’t think that, especially for really big companies, my fear is that the same way that we over-indexed on office life with, you know, like perks of Palooza where, you know, it was like, Oh, you get your laundry and you have, you know, three or four meals a day. And we do every Google style. Facebook’s that like, it’s literally designed. So you never leave the office. Right? Like that’s how it was. My fear is that with work from home, it’ll. Re it’ll over-index on the opposite way, which is basically being like, you never get to leave because your home and your workspace are one in the same and you never stop working. So I do still want there to be two. However, I do hope that what this is proving is that a, the whole idea that, you know, even at Microsoft, we have things like. The only way that you can work on this team is if you live in Redmond or if you live in this certain location, and that seems [00:15:00] silly, right? Like I can understand for certain job titles and for certain teams, that that makes sense. But for a lot of other teams, it really doesn’t like, can there be benefits if you can see people face to face shore, but as we’re learning. You know, nobody’s seeing each other face to face and it could be, you know, the better part of a year before, you know, the, at least the North American employees are back in the office and any sort of way. And so. I hope that that is kind of right. Reinforcing what people like you and I who’ve, you know, uh, you’ve obviously worked remotely, uh, much longer than me, but I’ve kind of gone back and forth. And, um, certainly, you know, when I, when you and I started working together, we started working together remotely. We know that people can be very effective that way. And that there’s been this bias where you have to live in a certain place and you have to be willing to make those concessions to take a job and you wind up missing out on really good people. And some people [00:16:00] look at that and they think like, Oh, you know, salaries will go down and you’ll just get talent from elsewhere. And, you know, maybe. That could be true on some levels, but I don’t think so. I think more what it is is that you open your talent options up to candidates that otherwise wouldn’t either, either a apply or B you wouldn’t even consider just because of something that in retrospect is fairly arbitrary, like location. **Brett:** [00:16:26] Companies like Google, uh, when this happened, they had been providing, like you said, uh, perks, a Palooza, uh, food, uh, daycare, transportation, like everything. And then when they sent people home to work, they wouldn’t pay that none of those perks carried over. They wouldn’t pay for people’s food. They wouldn’t help with the things that they had been getting for free. So it was basically like a pretty, pretty big pay cut for a lot of employees. And that’s, that’s not [00:17:00] cool. Like you don’t view the pandemic as a chance to save money, if you, it, as a chance to provide a different work environment. Like your hybrid idea, I think is great because there are people who have discovered very quickly. That they’re not cut out for working at home that they really want that separation, or they just really need the face to face contact. Some people do work better in an office, and I’ve always known that. Uh, it’s just become extremely apparent. Now. Uh, I, on the other hand, I, I, with her in an office environment, like I do not do well at all. Um, it kills me so. Having a hybrid having companies, because for a while there, it seemed like remote work was gonna be the next cool thing. And then companies started turning against it, uh, even, even AOL where, where you and I met, I started trying to move everyone into, uh, San Francisco and New York. [00:18:00] And it seems like the world was closing off to the idea of remote work. Again. And this is, this could be a great thing. **Christina:** [00:18:08] I agree. I agree. Like I said, I do worry about the over-indexing and to your point. Yeah. A lot of the companies, uh, like, like Google and Facebook and others that were like so heavy on perks. I mean, on the one hand I did roll my eyes and probably a subtweet or like, let’s be honest, probably just like blatantly Clint called it out, you know, uh, Google employees who were, you know, complaining, Oh, I have to spend more on food now because I’m not getting free food at the office. Like. Honestly when the, when the world situation is what it is and when the job situation is what it is, like, bring that to HR. Don’t like complain about that publicly. Like it’s, it’s not a big deal, like be an adult, but you are right in that. Some of the benefits and the things that it is in a sense, you know, kind of a setback. And in that way, I was kind of like happy or not happy, but I guess, uh, [00:19:00] Like it ended up being an okay thing that Microsoft has never really followed that person. Palooza thing, at least in Seattle, they’ve had, they had free food in San Francisco because I think that’s just like the cultural norm. Like you would have to do that to be competitive, but like we had, you know, uh, subsidized food costs, but you know, you still paid for your food, like lat, you know, kitchen’s closed at 2:00 PM. Um, the whole. Thing was kind of designed more around the idea would be like, you could get home because people have families. And, and it was definitely much more of a focus on like work life balance, which I appreciate. And so I didn’t have like, you know, all those amazing, you know, things like you, like you see in, in movies or whatever, um, to, to like feel a loss on, but it is definitely kind of a, um, a loss, right. In a sense and you are right in that. Even with like, you know, where I work, like there that you get from being in the office, like you don’t get working from home. It’s like, okay, they are not buying me a chair. They are telling me, you can [00:20:00] use your, stay, fit credit towards a chair, but we’re not going to buy you a chair. If you need to take, you know, equipment from the office. Home temporarily. Okay. But it’s not like I can, you know, call the facilities team and have, you know, a very expensive like Ergotron, you know, like arms installed or, or whatever, or like, I’m not going to be able to go in there and like take this sanding desk out of my office. Right. So, you know, there are downsides, but yeah, to, to what you said, like, I, I do think that all in all, it can’t be, be a good thing because for so long, like we moved away from this. Idea that we could use technology to facilitate remote communications and remote work, um, because people wanted to focus so much on the offices. I it’s interesting. The people I feel really bad for are people who had just signed really big leases on offices. You know, or, I mean, like it’s one thing. I mean, maybe you can get out of it or, or whatever, I guess it depends on [00:21:00] the size of your company. Uh, also we work like we work with already just in a terrible place. What this, this is basically kind of cemented, like can’t think of a worst business to be in right now than something like, well, we work **Brett:** [00:21:15] yeah. Nail in the coffin. **Christina:** [00:21:17] completely. **Brett:** [00:21:18] So you want to hear about my amazing gig that I just got. **Christina:** [00:21:22] I do. **Brett:** [00:21:23] very temporary, but it, it, it blew my mind that someone, uh, someone I’ve known for a while, uh, who works for a nonprofit reached out and they wanted a Jekyll website with basically all the features that I love building and spend my free time on any way. And they had money to pay me for it. And it was. It was basically, I just switched my focus from tinkering on my own scripts to tinkering on their scripts. And it was the easiest freelance gig I’ve [00:22:00] ever gotten like, aye, aye. Aye. It’s happened to me too many times that I take a freelance gig that I know I can do, but I’m not super interested in and then fail at it. Like I fall behind, I, I just fail and. Uh, and that’s always my concern when I take a freelance gig is with ADHD and bipolar and all of the things that make me, I feel like I’m just a better remote worker than anything else. I always worry that I’m going to fuck it up, but this time I rocked it and I think it’s going to be there some continuing work. And it’s just hard to believe that. That very specific skillset that I’ve honed actually came in handy at some point **Christina:** [00:22:48] That’s awesome. That’s awesome. And actually, what’s interesting if you wanted to kind of, if like, if you find that you like doing this sort of thing, the JAMstack, which is like the, you know, um, acronymed Azure, you know, everything used to be about lamp [00:23:00] and now it’s all about, uh, you know, jam like a, you know, JavaScript, uh, um, angular. Uh, I don’t remember what the M is. Um, Uh, but like that whole thing is like basically the idea of, of Jekyll or any of the other kinds of static sections. Like that is like now, like the skillset, like everybody wants that. So. You could probably carve out a really nice business for yourself if you’re interested in doing that kind of thing, because everybody is like, I keep talking about this on various things I do for work. I feel like, like we’re returning to like the early two thousands. You know, um, when it was all about like static sites and it was like the big, you know, like a battle between like static or, or dynamic, you know, like, should you use Perl or should you use PHP? And it’s like, the whole reason you would use Pearl would be because, you know, it would be more stable and it would serve cash things, but PHP was dynamic and you could update it more quickly and whatnot. And it’s like now, you know, Uh, w with the fact that [00:24:00] server-side JavaScript and stuff has become so much better and, and it servers in general is so much more powerful that you can basically get the best of both worlds. So somebody like you having the skill set in that, it’s kind of crazy. Like, uh, my good friend, Sarah, uh, is, uh, the head of, um, I think it’s engineering. I don’t remember what exactly her role is, but she’s, uh, she’s like a VP at and is a company that has done like massive stuff kind of in that space. So, **Brett:** [00:24:31] Yeah. There’s there’s hope for me yet at the age of 42. I will say like Mac Mac, app development is still like the thing that I love as my primary income. Um, and it’s, it’s, it serves as passive income. Uh, and for me, that’s ideal because I do have, I have my weeks where we’re being on is not an option for me. [00:25:00] that’s, that’s horrible when you have a steady job that expects you to be on every day. And I like a lifestyle where if I have a bad week, if I, yeah. If I have three days in a row of insomnia and I’m just a wreck and can’t do anything other than maybe pod. Yes. I like having the Liberty. I like knowing that my paycheck is going to stay the same, no matter what. That’s that’s freedom to me. I don’t need to make the six figures I used to make. I just need to be able to comfortably pay the bills and have the freedom to just fuck off once in awhile. **Christina:** [00:25:37] Yeah, no, I agree with you. I think that, that, that’s awesome. And like, that’s honestly like kind of the perfect thing that, that you would want. Um, and I’m happy for you for that. **Brett:** [00:25:49] I’m saying is I don’t have ambition. **Christina:** [00:25:52] I don’t think that’s true. I think it’s different sort of ambition. Like I think that like, okay, like I have ambition, I’m pretty ambitious, but we have [00:26:00] different sorts of things. Like your goal is like your, you want to have like for you, why guess what you ambition to have is like to feel satisfied and to be able to kind of set your own pace and to be able to focus on the things that you love. **Brett:** [00:26:15] Although I would like to retire someday and that at this point is not going to be an option. But then again, what I’m doing right now, I could easily do into my seventies. **Christina:** [00:26:25] Well, that’s the thing, right? Like, and, and to be totally candid with you, I don’t know. I mean, I don’t know if I’ll be able to retire. I mean, I don’t look at it that way and I’m like, I’m making more money than I’ve ever made in my life and I’m working harder than I’ve ever worked in my life, but I don’t feel like it’s. Uh, uh, given that I’ll be able to retire in 30 years, you know? **Brett:** [00:26:48] yeah. Yeah. I don’t think that’s a given for anyone, especially if your generation you’ve got even worse than us Xers **Christina:** [00:26:57] Right, right. So, [00:27:00] um, how has, uh, how’s yoga been in the pandemic? **Brett:** [00:27:04] well, turns out I much like office work. I don’t mind doing yoga at home either. So. It helps that I live with a yoga instructor, but she’s teaching mostly over zoom. So I stay behind the laptop and, and we we’re also, we’re doing videos. Uh, she, I made her a website and she, she has students that don’t love zoom. So we, we video classes and then they just pay. It’s a pay what you, what you can situation, but it’s, it’s. It’s not fully replaced her in person yoga income, but it’s definitely helped. And I’ve been able to keep doing yoga three times a week. Just like I was sometimes four, sometimes five times a week, depending on how motivated I am. But three times a week, it’s a good number. [00:28:00] We’ve started doing classes on Fridays in the park, uh, because it’s. Pretty safe, uh, to pandemic wise, to have, if you’re outdoors six feet apart, uh, not facing each other. It w it’s, it feels better, pretty safe. So we’ve been doing that and I videoed those as well, and we publish them for people who still don’t want to make it. Uh, the studio opened up and she is teaching reluctantly Monday classes in a studio, like with a max, the, if everyone’s six feet apart, this to do it can hold a maximum of eight people. So they’re smaller classes, but it’s it’s happening anyway. I’ve kept doing yoga. It’s helped. I’m happy. **Christina:** [00:28:46] that’s good. I’m really glad to hear that. And it’s interesting how you talk about kind of the video stuff like we’ve all throughout this. I think this is the most interesting thing. We’ve all had to become like video professionals. **Brett:** [00:28:58] Totally. Have [00:29:00] you ever used, um, uh, uh, DaVinci resolve? **Christina:** [00:29:04] I have, I have, um, **Brett:** [00:29:07] so good. **Christina:** [00:29:08] it is good. Yeah. Black magic makes it and it’s, it’s free. And even like the version that you pay for is like not expensive. **Brett:** [00:29:14] it disturbs me that it’s free. It’s so good that I worry about it being free, but it’s free with no ads because they make all their money on it. The **Christina:** [00:29:22] Aha. I was going to say, like, I would be okay with like, I wouldn’t be disturbed that it’s free. Like, okay. I would say this. If they had anything approaching the market, share of an Adobe premier or a final cut pro 10. Yes. Okay. I would be like concerned with a free price because then you’d be like, Oh, they’re gonna like, you know, make a decision and just like flip the switch on one day and be like, Oh, we’re going to start charging thousands of dollars for this. Right. But to your point, I mean, what they charge thousands of dollars for is all of their different interfaces and hardware. And they do charge thousands and thousands of dollars for that stuff. And people pay it cause they, it, they make fantastic cameras and [00:30:00] they make fantastic, you know, like kind of hardware things. And so it was kind of this weird sort of reverse model where that is what funds, um, like DaVinci resolve in a weird way. **Brett:** [00:30:11] Yeah, I, I want their keyboard. Um, I can’t even remember what it’s called now, but it costs thousands of dollars, like everything else, but **Christina:** [00:30:22] Yeah. Yeah. I, um, Yeah. So I actually, I just ordered a new iMac and a partially for video stuff. So, uh, I’m going to, I can’t travel now. And so, uh, we’ve started to do a lot of streaming stuff on Twitch and other platforms, the streaming code and streaming other presentations, and I’m doing my video stuff, sands the studio, you know, like. With I bought a, um, like a, a DSLR, like a Sony 80, 6,400. I could have used a less expensive camera, but I got the one that I got **Brett:** [00:30:54] more money than you’ve ever made in your life. So. **Christina:** [00:30:57] Okay. Fair. But also like that, that doesn’t mean that [00:31:00] you should like. You don’t, I didn’t need it. What I’m saying is like, I could have had like the comparable results without buying the camera that I bought. Like, I didn’t need a thousand dollar camera. Um, I would have been fine, but like a $500 camera, but, uh, and I have that with like a cam link, which is like a, an interface that’ll basically take your DSLR signal from HTMI out and let you bring it in like a webcam. On your macro PCs that you can use an app like ops, which is the open broadcasting system. And you can use that as basically like a, a switcher to, um, you know, send, uh, to composite, like, you know, Your face on top of the screen that you’re sharing and other things. Right. So, you know, I’m doing like a lot more or video stuff now. And so I just got a new iMac that will be here within the next week or two. And it’s, it’s pretty beefy. And, um, yeah, I. It’s been interesting. Cause when I was looking at that, a lot of like the benchmarks and stuff that I’m looking at, like DaVinci resolve has been [00:32:00] one of those things and I’ve, I’ve been, I’ve really been a final cut person, but we, we use Adobe stuff, um, at work, like that’s what the team has kind of standardized on. Not that it matters. Like I’m editing my own stuff. Like it genuinely doesn’t matter what I use, but, um, I have been looking at just cause DaVinci resolve is really good. So I’ve been like. Okay. Like maybe I should, maybe I should switch to that. Um, **Brett:** [00:32:25] I haven’t used final cut since the early two thousands since before pro X was a thing. And. Um, like I, I missed it. Like I did a lot of video production back then and I had gotten out of video production and as I eased back into it, my instinct as, as I quickly hit the limitations of something like a movie, um, my instinct was to get final cut, but I was kind of weighing my options because I wasn’t making yoga videos. It isn’t, it doesn’t pay real [00:33:00] well. Um, so I **Christina:** [00:33:01] so final cuts and final cut. Pro 10 is like $500 or something. **Brett:** [00:33:05] Right. So when I, I, I tweeted about, I don’t remember it wasn’t like a direct plea for alternatives, but someone mentioned DaVinci resolve and I thought, Oh, I’ll give it a shot. Uh, that and a couple others, but DaVinci resolve, stood head and shoulders. And I can’t, I can’t make a, an obvious comparison to final cut cause I haven’t used it in so long. But it does everything I needed to do and has features that I don’t even know how to start with color. Correction is not my bag. I like, I don’t have the basic skill set to do a good job with that. But, uh, but as far as video editing, rapid cuts, it’s dissolves, transition, full digital audio, workstation, uh, media clips, uh, proxied media. Like all, everything I could need is in there. I love it. [00:34:00] **Christina:** [00:34:00] Yeah, I mean, and it’s hardware, like it really is optimized to take advantage of various stuff, not just on the PC, but on Mac as well. They do a good job with it. And it it’s, it’s, it’s a pro app. Like it’s definitely, it’s especially for free and think they have like a studio version where like, if you want, if you needed to do like more advanced stuff, that is $300, most people don’t need it. And I actually just checked final cut pro 10 is also $300. So that’s interesting. It’s funny. But yeah, those like the, you know, the perpetual yeah. Since it’s $300, whereas, you know, Adobe who is at this point, the head and shoulders leader, uh, uh, The final cut pro 10 to buckle, kind of a killed that for Apple. Apple had been the leader in that space and they are not anymore. Haven’t been for the last close to a decade, you know, but Adobe wants to charge you $50 a month, $55 a month for creative cloud. So yeah, I’m having a free tool that is hardware optimized that has all those options. Like you [00:35:00] were saying, that is, has a good interface. That’s updated regularly. I guess. It’s pretty great. **Brett:** [00:35:06] So what are you watching on TV these days? Do you have time for TV? **Christina:** [00:35:11] I, but it’s become kind of a weird thing. Like a, so I don’t, I don’t know about you. This has been my situation with TB. Obviously I’ll watch some of the new stuff that comes out on Netflix and binge some of those series or, or whatever. And, um, historically like when new stuff comes out on HBO or whatever, like, I get really excited about that. But because again, of the, uh, impact of, of COVID like, who knows when we’ll see some of those shows again, right? Like I really liked the morning show actually on Apple TV. I thought that was a really, that was a great show. They’ve already said, they’re going to write COVID into it, which is interesting because they’d already, I think, shot or started to shoot one episode. They already had scripts for a lot of season two. And now that they’ve had to kind of readdress it face to, to, um, address COVID, which is similar to the first [00:36:00] season when they had to basically scrap almost everything and add all the me too stuff because of the Matt Lauer stuff. And, and so it’s sort of interesting how that show is sort of, you know, dealing with those things, but. Um, you know, like succession, I don’t know when we’re going to see that again. And that’s my, one of my favorite shows. So it’s this weird thing where right now, I think both because of my anxiety, Katie, around everything that’s happening in the world and just, uh, also like paradox of choice. I’ve been just watching a bunch of stuff that I’ve already seen before. If that makes any sense. **Brett:** [00:36:37] totally me too. We decided we got, uh, we, we got through all of the fun, new Netflix shows pretty quickly. Um, **Christina:** [00:36:48] You tiger King, do your way out. Like that was a **Brett:** [00:36:49] I watch 15 minutes of tiger King and did not, did not want to watch it anymore. Um, that **Christina:** [00:36:57] I mean, they’re all terrible people, all of them, but [00:37:00] it was, it was some good, like, you know, Jerry Springer type of content to be totally honest. **Brett:** [00:37:06] I never got into that either, **Christina:** [00:37:08] Fair. **Brett:** [00:37:09] but we decided we were going to go back and watch some old shows and we started watching. Uh, how I met your mother. Cause we, we just needed like half hour shows. Like, you know, it’s almost bedtime. You don’t have time for a full hour show, but you want to watch some TV. So we were watching, uh, how I met your mother. That show is problematic. That show has so much rape culture, like embedded into its core. **Christina:** [00:37:36] Oh, totally. **Brett:** [00:37:37] We gave up on it. We, we started watching life in pieces instead. That’s a great show. **Christina:** [00:37:42] I haven’t seen that. I’ll ha **Brett:** [00:37:44] it’s a good half hour. If you just want something well-written funny. Uh, kind of throw away TV. It’s a good one. **Christina:** [00:37:53] okay. I’ll check that out. **Brett:** [00:37:55] on Amazon prime, **Christina:** [00:37:56] Okay. All right. Fantastic. Yeah, no, I’m **Brett:** [00:37:58] you have. [00:38:00] **Christina:** [00:37:59] Yeah, **Brett:** [00:38:00] Yeah. **Christina:** [00:38:01] I, unfortunately I have everything. No, I have a, I have, uh, the HBCU max, which is a terrible name, but actually a very good service, the Disney plus, which they are doing very good things with. I think actually I think that that’s been a huge win Netflix, the Amazons. And then, um, we haven’t talked about this because, well, we might have, but it’s been so long. Um, I sort of went into this thing where I kept finding deals on movies from iTunes. And so I like bought way, way, way, way, way too many movies on iTunes, **Brett:** [00:38:40] they had, they had Donnie Darko for two 99 with all the iTunes extras. And I jumped on that. **Christina:** [00:38:47] Yes. And, and like, there was this thing, this was now I guess, like two years ago, but they had this thing. Or they’d have like 10 movies and it was like 20 bucks and they were like good movies. Like, you know, [00:39:00] like, like, you know, a lot of the big hits from the eighties and nineties and other stuff. And it’s like, Yeah, this is actually cheaper now than ripping these that I already have on blue Ray or DVD. Like this is actually like, this is from an opportunity cost standpoint. This takes less time to just buy it again, then do this. And what’s interesting is that, well, there are two interesting developments. So one. Um, uh, movies anywhere, which is a service that Disney owns, and they works with all the major studios with the exception of paramount and lion’s gate and, uh, whatever entity it is that owns Miramax. So. Paramount’s a big one. You don’t get any of the paramount movies. Lionsgate is smaller, but there are still some significant like films that you will lose from that. But everything else, you know, anything from Warner brothers, universal Sony is all part of this. Disney is all part of the service, meaning. That you can link your Amazon account, your Google play account, your Comcast account. [00:40:00] If you have them, your, uh, Microsoft, uh, movies account from like Xbox or whatever, I think, uh, Fandango and voodoo. Uh, I think that those are all the major ones and you. Basically any purchase that you make on any of those services will show up in the library of the other service. So, so if I buy a movie on iTunes, I can have that same movie available on those other services, which is pretty great. Uh, but, um, that still meant that there was like a hole and I had a few hundred movies that, you know, I bought on iTunes that were not available. On these other services and the problem there is that, you know, we, you and I we’ve talked for many years about like our dissatisfaction. Like we love the Apple TV, but I don’t know if you’re still, if you’re unsatisfied with the right now, I personally am like, I’m still using it, but like it’s, it’s old, it’s expensive. It is not kept up remotely. And that’s a problem because it’s like, okay, I have all these movies that have like 631 movies. Within iTunes. And [00:41:00] I can access a portion of them on other services, like on my TV or on a Roku or on a fire TV stick or whatever. But the rest of them, I’m kind of stuck. Well, when Apple launched the TD plus service last fall, okay. They also launched a Apple TV app for Roku and fire TV. And what that did is in addition to letting you watch their original programming, you can watch all of your other movies, too. **Brett:** [00:41:31] wow. I didn’t know that **Christina:** [00:41:32] So I had, when I used to travel, which, you know, olden times, um, I would travel with a fire TV stick, like a fire TV stick 4k. Cause I got a great deal on one $30 for the four K version. I got it last year, still a tremendous value. It’s normally I think 50 bucks, but they have them on sale fairly often. And, um, you know, 4k, a fast processor. It’s like a Chromecast. It’s just, you know, a stick you just [00:42:00] plug in, um, you need, right, right. Well, um, I love it for travel because unlike an Apple TV, it works over a captive, um, internet, uh, uh, network, meaning that if you’re like, if you have like hotel wifi, On Apple TV. You can’t log into that. If there’s like a popup where you have to enter in a username and a password, you have to use like a weird VPN. Like the, the, the options to do that on Apple TV is you basically have to create a sub that if you want to do that, so it’s a pain, right? And, and like, that’s not what you want to do. Whereas with Amazon and also Roku, you can actually. Like it has like a popup screen that will let you get on those captive networks. So I would have like this $30, really small dongle to travel with, have access to all the different services, be able to access a VPN from an app, which would then work on the device. So I could access like American services in another country [00:43:00] and also have access to literally my entire library of, of Apple TV content. **Brett:** [00:43:06] nice. That is a, yeah, I don’t travel a lot, but when I do every time, I think, Oh, I should have brought my Apple TV and then remember the trouble I’ve had getting onto hotel wifi with an Apple TV. Yeah, I do. I own a stick and I never think to bring that either. **Christina:** [00:43:26] Yeah, you should. I mean, presumably we ever go to hotels again. **Brett:** [00:43:30] Yeah, right. **Christina:** [00:43:32] You know, because at this point, every hotel I’ve been in, yeah. The last two years has had an accessible HTMI port in almost all cases, unless it’s been boutique hotel. And it can be a really good way of being able to access all your stuff from home. Plus, you know, they have Plex apps and other stuff like that for the fire TV. So. It’s interesting. It’s interesting that you were revisiting how I met your mother. Talk about being problematic because I hadn’t thought of that, but you’re right. [00:44:00] And that show isn’t that old, that shows like 15 years old. **Brett:** [00:44:02] it’s not that old. **Christina:** [00:44:04] Like I’m, I’m still mad about the series finale and what they did to the ending. Like I thought that was just, it was one of the worst endings ever. And I’m still mad about that, like however many years later, but you’re completely correct when you talk about like the, the, the really problematic aspects of that. And the really funny thing is that he was like, kids, let me tell you about, you know, when I met your mom and he’s like talking to them and like, Like in the 2020s, which is really funny now, too, you know, we’re like, Oh my God. We’re now like living in the era of when this show was supposed to take place. Yeah. **Brett:** [00:44:45] Yeah. Um, Even knowing how bad the ending was. I thought it would be fun to get there again. I’m also tempted to do loss again, even though I know how much I hated the ending, **Christina:** [00:44:55] Oh yeah. **Brett:** [00:44:55] show was so fun to **Christina:** [00:44:57] It was so fun. It really was. **Brett:** [00:44:59] If they [00:45:00] would put out an alternate ending, they could sell blue rays of the entire show **Christina:** [00:45:05] Good. Good. Yeah. **Brett:** [00:45:06] ending and **Christina:** [00:45:07] Oh, they could. No, you’re right. I mean, it’s kind of like, they’re bringing back like the Snyder cut of, um, uh, justice league. **Brett:** [00:45:13] I didn’t know that. **Christina:** [00:45:15] Yeah. So, cause the fans **Brett:** [00:45:16] Yeah. **Christina:** [00:45:17] were all mad about the Josh Weeden thing. They like bruise the stoner that brings the Snyder cut and they’re like, HBO max people were like, Oh, money. Uh, so they’re doing it. So I’m with you and like, uh, Damon Lindelof and JJ Abrams, like get on that, get on that shit. Like I would buy the hell out of that also, you know, Disney owns everything now. That would be fantastic exclusive content for Hulu or, or like if they didn’t want to put it on, on Disney plus, like that would be fantastic. Hulu content, like exclusive, like only for subscribers, you know? Cause that’s what they’re all pushing us towards. **Brett:** [00:45:52] So, uh, I have been really enjoying Plex because I got a few friends and we watch each other’s [00:46:00] movies and it has, I, I have watched so many good movies, but they added this new feature called watch together, I think. **Christina:** [00:46:09] Yeah. Oh, okay. So we should share our Plex libraries with one another. **Brett:** [00:46:14] Yeah. I, mine mine is, is, uh, a Bismal small. I, I, I rely on mostly my friends libraries, **Christina:** [00:46:23] Huh? **Brett:** [00:46:24] we did the watch together thing. Me and Dave Chartier and, uh, Dan Peterson from one password and their respective partners. We all got together. We did a, uh, a gypsy meet call and then had a, a text conversation going in and, uh, And I message messages, uh, which is cool. Cause you can thread now if you have **Christina:** [00:46:49] Oh, cool. Yeah, that’s right. **Brett:** [00:46:52] we had all that going and we watched Mr. Right together, which like three quarters of the people involved had never seen before. And that [00:47:00] movie deserves a way better than the 44% it has on rotten tomatoes. Anyway, it was a, it was a real blast. It was, it was a movie night in the age of cholera, it was, it was a lot of fun. **Christina:** [00:47:13] That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Okay. So next time you do one of those, please invite me. Cause I would love to participate in that. Grantwood shoe and, and yeah, and I’ll, I’ll, we’ll, I’ll share my, uh, my library. I agree with you. Ours is pretty good. My friend Jeremiah’s is like way better, but we have a, we’ll have to talk about this in another episode. Sometimes with like, we have a kind of a sonar and a radar set up on two of our servers and. Uh, which is pretty great. And so, you know, we can just kind of, you know, automatically grab, um, stuff off of, uh, you know, TV shows or movies or, or whatever, uh, for, for easy access. Um, grants has also become obsessed with like, I don’t know if he got like every episode of judge Judy, these are like thousands of episodes. I’m like, okay, **Brett:** [00:47:59] That sounds like [00:48:00] something that sounds like something, a fan of tiger King would do. **Christina:** [00:48:03] I mean, totally. And, and I mean, I think it’s just, it’s just good, like monotonous, like, you know, you don’t have to think about it, like go to sleep music or whatever, but also **Brett:** [00:48:11] to go to sleep. **Christina:** [00:48:12] yes, 1000% and, uh, it’s so, you know, but we also, we have, we’ve had it for years and years and years, we have one of these Silicon dust over the air, um, kind of receivers that. You can connect and basically record over the air signals. So, you know, like, and then there they’re like different algorithms and stuff you can get through where it’ll even like, basically remove all the ads automatically. So, and **Brett:** [00:48:39] had that back in 1999, I built my own DVR and it had, uh, add removal capabilities. So that’s not new. **Christina:** [00:48:49] No. I mean, no, I have, we we’ve been doing this a, you know, I’ve had a TiVo for as long as I can remember. And B we’ve had this Silicon dust thing [00:49:00] since I think I was still writing for download squad and the unofficial app. Weblog so honestly, it’s. **Brett:** [00:49:05] existed. **Christina:** [00:49:07] Exactly. And those websites were still places you could visit. Hey, at least the TVW archives exist. Like you have to go to in gadget. **Brett:** [00:49:15] squats on there too. I think all of, all of those really **Christina:** [00:49:19] Dallas squad. They killed it. Same with the, I think joystick they rolled in and two are they rolled into in gadget, but no, when they took download squad down, they got rid of the archives. Like, is this dead? Dead? Yeah. **Brett:** [00:49:31] Okay. Anyway. Yeah. So your, your what’s it called your over the air recorder? **Christina:** [00:49:37] Yeah, it’s like a Silicon dust thing that we pay, which they still make them like a, uh, but it’s one of those things where they’re supposed to be, um, like, uh, uh, Like a new version that works with cable card and one HD home run. That’s what it’s called. And uh, I mean, I got to give it credit. Like I got this thing genuinely like 12 or 13 years ago and [00:50:00] still works. So there are very few products. I can say that in my tech arsenal, I can like say that about to be totally honest. It, for people who are interested in that sort of thing, incidentally, who like are interested in kind of doing like over the air, um, uh, like. The DVR stuff and want to have like a really good interface and also want to have an iOS app. There is an app called channels. It’s at get channels.com and I’m going to put this link in our equipment. Um, and, uh, people should check that out because it’s, I know the developer he’s really great. He used to work at GitHub. It’s a really good interface and it’s a really good way of basically, if you want to bring all of your live TV, To all of your devices and have it kind of sit along your other stuff. So that’s an option for people. **Brett:** [00:50:47] Yeah. So speaking of Silicon, I got a developer transition kit, mini. And, and I obviously can’t talk a lot **Christina:** [00:50:57] obviously you can’t talk a lot about it. **Brett:** [00:50:58] but the thing that’s killing [00:51:00] me is that my 90% of Homebrew formulas won’t compile. So building my development environment has been a real tribulation. **Christina:** [00:51:13] Okay, so I’m so glad we’re talking about this because I’ve had questions about this. So everybody’s been asking me, Christina, why did you just spend almost $4,000 on an Intel iMac? When Apple Silicon is around the corner? And what you just described is my exact answer. Look, I am I’m of the opinion that, uh, these will be things that will probably be fixed within 18 months. **Brett:** [00:51:37] for sure. **Christina:** [00:51:38] Uh, and if not sooner, but for the stuff that I do. And so primarily the stuff that I do at work right now, especially now that I’m like working from home. It’s streaming things on OB OBS, which is very like memory intensive and graphics intensive. And to be totally candid off that are in windows because there’ll be ups is open source and I give money every month to the Patrion of one of [00:52:00] the lead developers. But like, you know, even though some big companies. Give them some money to fund it. Like it is, it is, you know, like a, basically a professional quality switching app that is being done, uh, on a shoestring budget. Uh, and so it’s amazing that it even works on Mac the wa the way that it does, but it works better on windows. Um, I’m also doing a lot of containers and virtual machines and, um, you know, building stuff and things like Homebrew. And so my fear has been. Cause I, I ha I had this conversation with people. I was like, okay, all of these formulas and all these tools that I use, because I’m primarily interacting with like Linux servers in the cloud are not compiled for arm 64. Now that doesn’t mean they won’t be, it doesn’t mean that you can’t compile them, but there aren’t prebuilt binaries for that yet. And, and the container situation is actually much more of a concern for mine because of the way that [00:53:00] that virtualization is going to work. And I know it can work, but it’s like, there’s going to have to be a certain amount of okay. What will Linux distros have all their ducks in a row to have, you know, all the packages compiled, um, so that you can run those containers effectively. And will there be any weird difference? Cause already if you have like a raspberry PI, um, uh, you know, like a raspberry PI for sure. People know that there are some issues, even with packages on that. And there are many, there are many orders of magnitude, more like raspberry PI devices than there are Macs period. So I, that, that is why when people, like, why did you do that? I’m like, cause I with containers and VMs and OBS, and I think it’s probably going to be 18 months before we have parody there on the Mac side. Do you think I’m like dead off on that? **Brett:** [00:53:51] you made the right choice. It would be per someone who relies on things other than Apple’s own. First party software, [00:54:00] it would be a little asinine to jump on the very first line of, uh, our Macs that are available. The getting an Intel processor to get you through until the arms have been out for at least a year. Makes perfect sense to me. **Christina:** [00:54:16] Okay. All right. Well that makes me feel better, but other, but other than like the home brew stuff, um, what is, what is your, I mean, from what you can say any way, was your experience better? Talk to me about it. **Brett:** [00:54:26] Um, I will say that, uh, uh, Rosetta and a universal binary two are in excellent shape. Like in general, everything’s pretty flawless. Uh, you don’t notice major speed differences. You don’t notice. Uh, I remember like running, uh, stuff that was compiled for Motorola chips on Intel. With the original Rosetta. I remember that being a lot more of a speed difference than I’m seeing on the Intel versus [00:55:00] arm binaries. So in general, I’m not too worried about the transition and, and, and like you said, within, within 18 months, everything is probably going to be fixed because they’re providing such great tools to developers to start now. Preparing any developer worth their salt is going to have, uh, the they’ll be ready for the transition. **Christina:** [00:55:25] Yeah. And I mean, the, the one nice side effect kind of weirdly is for like the raspberry PI people. Uh, not that you will be able to turn a raspberry PI into a hack Antosz because that will not happen. But more that I think that for, you know, kind of the state of getting those packages updated, those binaries updated people will do it for Mac when they wouldn’t do it for raspberry PI, even though there’s an order of magnitude more of those. Which is interesting. Oh, so, um, I, assuming that you’ve been using it for envy alts or envy ultra rather, um, and, uh, [00:56:00] what’s the, what’s the, what’s the process? Uh, what can you tell our listeners about the process of indie ultra or the progress, I guess, or status? **Brett:** [00:56:07] so. We were shooting for a mid August release and that’s not off the table yet. It’s basically ready to go. We’re we are ringing our hands over how we’re going to price it and whether or not we’re going to go subscription. **Christina:** [00:56:25] I was going to ask about **Brett:** [00:56:26] We are, we are both, we’re both morally opposed to the idea of a subscription, but for what we want to do and for our ability to provide. Paid updates and or paid upgrades and the ability to provide free trials and still be available on the app store subscription is kind of the it’s the path that Apple offers for that kind of business model. And so we are, we’re debating with each other and ourselves over whether we want to make [00:57:00] this choice. If we do go subscription is going to be a very affordable subscription that will come out to the same as. If you were to buy it outright and then upgrade it every year, uh, we’ll make sure that you’re not paying any more than that. Uh, but yeah, doing it as a subscription has the obvious benefits of recurring income for us. Uh, eh, it would come out about the same, really the way we’re talking about pricing it, but either way. It’s ready to go at. The biggest thing is pricing and that end a Fletcher is an ER doctor in, in the, in a pandemic. So we’re waiting to make sure that he has a week available so that we can launch and be ready for rapid bug fixes and whatnot, uh, in that first week. **Christina:** [00:57:53] No, that makes sense. That makes sense. Um, have you talked to, uh, to Greg from, um, uh, drafts. Has hurt us at all [00:58:00] about his experiences. **Brett:** [00:58:00] I’ll be interviewing him in one and a half hours. **Christina:** [00:58:04] Okay. Genuinely did not know that. Like our listeners should know, like Brett and I don’t, if this is your first time listening to the show person listening to in a while, we don’t plan these things. Like we have kind of a cursory doc, but I genuinely did not know this. So me bringing that up was generally, generally I was like, Oh, you know, Greg went through a really similar thing with, um, uh, drafts around subscription. And I thought that it would just be like a, a good person for you to talk to. You know, in terms of that stuff, just to see his experiences, because I do agree with you. Like you can, like, I understand them world like opposition, but I also want you to get paid. And I think if you can do it in the right way where it doesn’t feel exploitative and it can offer you the recurring revenue that you need and you deserve, but not be priced in such a way. That’s like gross. Then, I mean, I think you should do [00:59:00] it, um, especially like, I really do like the sketch model of if you don’t renew the last version works exactly. Like I like that model a lot. I think that’s actually a really fair **Brett:** [00:59:11] feasible with the app store, but as a, as a general model, I do like that. **Christina:** [00:59:17] yeah. For the app store. I’m not sure if you could do that or not, but presumably like, are you only going to be selling through the app store? Are you going to be selling like professional. **Brett:** [00:59:24] we’ll doing both, **Christina:** [00:59:25] Okay, so you see and set up. Yeah. Well, in which we’ve, we’ve talked about many times before they are. I don’t believe they’re, they’re sponsoring us right now. Although sponsor us. If they, if, uh, they want to please, um, give us money, but genuinely like, like UN prompted from anything. Um, I’m a, I’m a huge setup fan and. I’ve actually talked to people about it. It’s been funny. I remember. Cause I’ve talked to you about this, on this podcast before like asked, you’ve been like, has this been exploitative? Has this been okay because I know as a user, I love it, but I’ve [01:00:00] always been like wondering like, is this okay from your perspective? And you were like, no, actually it’s, it’s been, it’s been good. **Brett:** [01:00:06] Yup. **Christina:** [01:00:07] Still. So actually knowing that when I’ve seen like some of my favorite apps, join, set up what I’ve done, even though I’ve already owned them as I’ve uninstalled my other version. And like, like default pull directs is a great example of that. That’s an app that I use a million times a day. Better touch tool. Yeah. Um, but, but default folder X is one like that I bought and, and pay for the upgrades for like always. And when they joined setup, I was like, okay, I’m even though it’s sort of a pain, I’m going to uninstall it, reinstall this new version, just so, um, you know, that dev can, can get, um, the much deserved money. **Brett:** [01:00:48] I probably mentioned it last time this came up, but I do have a script on my blog that will go through and tell you what apps you have installed, that there are also set up versions of so that you can, [01:01:00] you can use the setup version. Instead of the one you paid for, because it’s the same app with all the features unlocked and the developer gets part of your subscription. That way that you’re paying anyway. **Christina:** [01:01:12] Yeah, you probably did mention that and I probably forgot about it, but it’s one of those things where I’ve told you this before, even when we were taking our hiatus, the number of times that I have Googled and tried to find something that I’ve wound up on your blog. It’s so funny, especially if anything around keyboards and automation and stuff. And even my colleagues, like I’ve even seen some of them share stuff that you’ve done in, in, in our Slack. And I’ll just, I just start laughing and they’re like, what’s so funny. I’m like, no, he’s my friend. They’re like, Oh yeah, you never been. I’m like, no, no, you don’t understand like, He’s my friend, like we’ve been podcasting together for forever. And like we’ve known each other for like over a decade. Like he’s my pal. Like, this is, this is great. Um, your, your blog is, is a real, uh, joy. And I’m actually, it’s funny because I’m going through the process of right now [01:02:00] of archiving, my old website, which is like decrepit and terrible, but I’m. Turning it static. And I’m going to just host it like as a static archive, uh, at like archive dot or whatever, and like rebuilding a new thing, probably using Hugo, but I might use Jekyll. Um, we’ll see. Um, and I, as always been like using some of the different things that you’ve built for, you know, your site, like with the light and dark mode and some of that stuff, it’s like inspiration. **Brett:** [01:02:28] nice. That’s that’s that’s I’m honored. Um, so we’re at an hour. Do you have an extra 15 minutes? **Christina:** [01:02:36] I sure do. **Brett:** [01:02:37] Because we have two important topics we haven’t covered yet. **Christina:** [01:02:40] Yes, we do **Brett:** [01:02:41] have the mental health corner and we have Taylor Swift **Christina:** [01:02:45] both of crucial importance. So let’s, let’s do it **Brett:** [01:02:47] what is this show without mental health and Taylor Swift? **Christina:** [01:02:51] honestly. It is the show. **Brett:** [01:02:52] I should probably, I should take what we’re about to record and edit it in at the beginning. So everyone knows it’s still overtired, but I’m [01:03:00] probably not going to do that. So how’s your mental health been? How has the pandemic affected your mental health? **Christina:** [01:03:07] Not great to be totally honest. **Brett:** [01:03:09] Yeah, **Christina:** [01:03:10] Like, I would love to just like lie and be like, Oh, everything’s fine. No, I’ve been more depressed and anxious. And just down than I’ve been in a really long time, I think that’s true for everybody. And I, and then I feel, and again, like, I don’t want to go into like a poor what was me thing, and I don’t want to get into Brett’s like mental health corner. Cause I love to hear about your stuff, but I’m so fortunate that I’m employed, but that brings with it. Guilt that is, that impacts like it doesn’t improve the mental health thing. You know what I mean? And look, obviously, um, my privilege is being able to even feel guilty, you know, but like, but like in grant was laid off for a while. He’s he’s work, he’s back working again. But, um, when it hit, [01:04:00] like he lost the contract that he was working on, that was one of the first things. Cut when they didn’t really know what the situation was, was going to be kind of going forward. And so a lot of places, you know, just, just cut people. And so I I’m really lucky that I’m working and that I’m, I’m in a good position. Um, but then you do feel like that survivor guilt and that I think is just added to the anxiety and the uncertainty and frankly, yeah, the depression also, even though I don’t like the outdoors, the fact that I’ve been inside so much. And I’d been away from people is just a, yeah, it’s not great. I mean, it’s, it’s, it goes in waves. There are some weeks where it’s fine. And then there’s some weeks when it’s just like, this is terrible, so **Brett:** [01:04:45] the thing that I noticed was like, obviously my work situation didn’t change. But the thing that I noticed was as soon as they told me I couldn’t go out, **Christina:** [01:04:55] You want it to. **Brett:** [01:04:56] then it, then it was suddenly a burden to stay home [01:05:00] where I’d been staying home anyway. My social interaction was basically going to yoga every, every couple of days and seeing like the same people in my yoga class. But, uh, I, yeah, I missed them, but I also, the idea that I couldn’t see the rest of the world, uh, and I, I didn’t, I stopped going to see my folks, uh, for breakfast every Saturday. Um, I stopped hanging out with anybody ever and. That normally wouldn’t have bothered me, but the fact that I couldn’t definitely it dragged on my psyche. **Christina:** [01:05:35] Yeah. Uh, and, and I think, you know, just all the other stuff happening in the world, like in addition to having to not be able to go outside feeling, you know, kept up, like, you know, your parents aren’t far from you. So you’ve been able to see them, I assume. **Brett:** [01:05:48] Um, I, as a, even though it’s not Minnesota’s R T is still above one and it’s not time to open up yet. Everyone clearly got so sick [01:06:00] of being locked down, that people are acting like it’s over. So my, my brother and my sister had both come to visit, uh, from Georgia and Ohio, respectively. And I’ve had to be like either, either I say, no, it’s not time yet. And I don’t go say hi, or I say, yeah, okay. This is, this is life. Now we have to take these. We have to make these choices. And obviously I, I quizzed them about how much have you left the house in the last two weeks? What have you been exposed to it, et cetera, et cetera. But I did make the decision to. To go say hi to hang out even six feet apart just to, just to see family. But **Christina:** [01:06:46] Yeah. I mean, that’s honestly been the thing that I’ve been struggling with the most is, so my parents were both in their seventies. My dad has had, um, some, some issues with his eye where he had like some sort of like a burst blood vessel or like, um, like [01:07:00] some sort of, uh, it’s I guess they call them like a stroke in his eye or whatever, and he’s lost significant amount of vision and one of his eyes, which is terrible. The rest of his health is fine, but that’s been really scary, you know, and my mom and true mom fashion, like true. My mom fashion was taking all of this stuff more seriously than I was like in the middle of January. She sent me masks. Okay. Middle of January. Because I was about to go to Johannesburg and this was when the, I don’t even know if there were any U S cases yet. Uh, and so, um, they have been socially distancing. They’ve not been going anywhere. Like they’ve been, you know, following all the right procedures and they live in Georgia and Georgia is a state that has not been following things. And like the governor has done a terrible job and I could go on and on about that **Brett:** [01:07:48] George’s RT is below one. Now go figure that out, **Christina:** [01:07:53] To me now, I just don’t even trust the data. Right. Because they don’t even have report to the CDC. So if I’m being totally honest, [01:08:00] um, I, uh, I w I just don’t, I don’t know, but anyway, but as I’m at this point where I’m like, I desperately want to see my parents, but. I can’t drive to see them. Um, and even if I knew how to drive and like how to, the ability to do that, like, it would be like five or six days. Like I’m not doing that. Uh, and, and yet I don’t want to get on an airplane. You know, like the last thing I want to do is get on an airplane and expose them potentially to anything. And so that’s. Right. And so that’s been one of the hardest things is that, uh, you know, they’re high risk, even though they’re both healthy. My mom, especially like, I don’t, like, I could never live with myself if, if something happened. And so I, I really want to see my parents and that’s been the thing that, and it’s so weird. It’s like, I I’ve usually only seen them once a year. Right. Like, it’s not even like, things have changed, but just like you said, when you know, you can’t go outside. Just the fact that I don’t have the ability to just go out and see them has [01:09:00] really fucked me up to be totally honest. **Brett:** [01:09:02] I believe it. So I watched this channel on YouTube called how to ADHD and the girl who runs it is a, a delight. Uh, and she does really well researched. Uh, uh, bits pieces on various aspects of living with ADHD and coping with ADHD. Um, I became a patriotic supporter. You’ve been here. I don’t do that all that often. Um, but she posted, uh, this week, uh, something she had recorded in may about moving to Washington. Uh, the troubles, she, she went through with getting her insurance switched over to Washington’s, uh, like, uh, ACA insurance and then having an impossible time getting her meds. So I’m curious. Did you have any trouble when you moved to Washington getting your ADHD [01:10:00] meds? **Christina:** [01:10:00] Yeah. So how might a little bit, yes and no. Okay. So on the one hand, the doctor on campus is remarkably easy to get a script from. Like, I was actually able to just tell them what I’d been on before, and I’ve been off mine for awhile and they wrote me a script. But when I started. **Brett:** [01:10:21] rare. Wow. **Christina:** [01:10:22] I know, and I have a feeling it’s the whole, like, it’s the, it’s the doctor on campus. Um, and it’s a good health center, but I also, I’m not going to like, okay, how do I say this? I don’t want to say that. It’s just like, you know, a, a doctor, you know, like a prescription, like farm. Like I don’t want to claim that at all, but I also feel like they probably proportionally that’s a place that deals with, uh, with far more people who are ADHD. Then, like, **Brett:** [01:10:51] and the biggest reason that it’s gotten so hard to get those meds is because the organizations, uh, like the [01:11:00] hospitals and the, the boards that they report to have cracked down. **Christina:** [01:11:04] right. **Brett:** [01:11:05] on doctors here and there that have over prescribed. And so everyone suffers because of it in a smaller system, it’s easier to, to provide the medication that, you know, someone actually needs. **Christina:** [01:11:19] Exactly. So I think it’s probably that also that was three years ago, so it could have changed, but what the issue that you have? So my doctor mails me my script every month for my Dexedrine, and then I have to bring it in. And what they’re supposed to do is they are supposed to call him and verify. That it’s legit, even though I do it every single month. And I obviously can’t get more than one filled even though, you know, whatever, what I have had. Some of the pharmacists who have been very nice to do for me on a couple of occasions is fill it for me without making that call, uh, which, you know, I’m sure it was not what they’re supposed to do, but, um, **Brett:** [01:11:59] room in it, [01:12:00] **Christina:** [01:12:00] Yeah. And so, so I haven’t had that issue, but, uh, I do acknowledge that if I didn’t like work at a big tech company where we have like a pretty nice doctor’s facility, like on campus, where they probably see a lot of people with mental health, like where they had mental health counselors and they have a pharmacy, like there’s a pharmacy, like a Walgreens pharmacy on like, In that building too. Um, they did have to have a do go through, like, I think to find my DEXA drink for me, that was like a challenge with the cat. They had to like source it. Uh, but otherwise it’s yeah. I haven’t had any issues with that. **Brett:** [01:12:36] that’s, that’s good to hear. I like when she was telling her story, it, it brought back so many bad memories for me of the troubles that I’ve been through. **Christina:** [01:12:45] Yes. **Brett:** [01:12:46] scared to move because. I have to find, I have to get new insurance. I have to find a new provider and probably have to go through ADHD assessment again. And then I have to go through a [01:13:00] pre-auth and get the prescription started. It would very likely end up meaning at minimum a couple of months without meds. And that has been disastrous for me in the past. **Christina:** [01:13:11] No. I mean, you’re not wrong. I mean, honestly, this is one of the reasons why. You know, it goes to my shrink, which I think I talked about on this podcast, which was terrible and awful thing to do. And I stopped ghosting him, but one of the reasons why I kept him and he doesn’t accept insurance. So that is one benefit. Like it’s terrible that I pay what I pay for his hourly rate. But at the same time, it’s also easier because I don’t have to worry like who my insurance is, you know? Um, and it, and it’s worth it for me. And, and that’s been the case as long as I’ve ever seen him, but it’s been one of those things where. Um, I think the reason I’ve I’ve kept him even, and I have phone calls with him, um, versus seeing somebody in person which would be more convenient and which would be better is that I don’t want to go through that process. Like that scares the hell out of me having to go through [01:14:00] like a reevaluation process. And like I said, I was really lucky that when I went in for like my physical, they like wrote me a script. Now I think that the way that it was done is that if they were going to continue writing me. Scripts for Dexedrine. I probably would have had to either show my past. They would’ve had to like talk to my other, my past doctor or they would have had to send me through an evaluation again. But for a limited period, they were at least able to, to get me my scripts to get started, which was amazing. And is what you should do. Right? Like, I can understand that if you’re going to switch to a new doctor, they want you to go through the process, but. **Brett:** [01:14:36] about someone’s mental health. You don’t fuck with that. **Christina:** [01:14:39] No, you don’t fuck with that. And that’s the thing that people don’t get is that it’s like, this shit is bad. Like if you go off your meds, like, and I know this because I did that and it was stupid. It was like beyond stupid. It’s the worst thing that ever, ever, ever done. And, um, I just, [01:15:00] uh, I will never do that again. And it was idiotic. And the only thing I can say is that I like that was a sign of depression and a sign of just like B being like self destructive. But the only thing I can say to anybody who’s listening, who’s going through any mental health things. Don’t ghost your doctor. Now, if you have a bad doctor, find it, find a better one and go through that process, but don’t go see your doctor. And also if you’re on like an antidepressant. Don’t just go off of it. The withdrawal is legit. Like the withdrawal, my doctors told me, he was like, it’s not that dissimilar from heroin. And I was working while I was in withdrawal, which I still can’t believe, like, how did I even live? You know what I mean? So, **Brett:** [01:15:50] I can tell you it’s it is dissimilar from heroin, but there is a withdrawal I can tell you from experience having **Christina:** [01:15:57] Okay. Which, which I appreciate knowing that I’ve never been on [01:16:00] an opiate. Uh, I think, uh, but, but certainly like going off of the effects or was like a significant, **Brett:** [01:16:08] Yeah. **Christina:** [01:16:08] it was like, yeah. **Brett:** [01:16:11] So, um, tell me what I should think of this new Taylor Swift album. **Christina:** [01:16:17] I mean, okay. Obviously I’m the ultimate fan girl. So she’s had two albums since we last spoke. She had lover, which came out last August, and then she has a full core, which came out a couple of weeks ago. And I was actually supposed to see her in Los Angeles at lover Fest. She was only doing a handful of concerts, or it was only supposed to do a handful of concerts. This year. I spent a lot of money to get, um, uh, floor seats for me and my friend, Catherine. We were going to see follow up boy and green day and Weezer the night before in, um, at Dodger stadium. And then at the new Sophie stadium, we were going to see Taylor Swift, the following night, obviously all that was canceled. I’m as upset as I am that I didn’t get to see that [01:17:00] concert. Uh, folklore was a pretty great constellation prize and. I have to be honest, although I came to really like reputation as an album, especially after I saw it in concert twice. And if you haven’t seen it in concert, the Netflix concert is phenomenal and really captures the experience. And I honestly, the more I think about it, like, I think that she, I think we even talked about this on the show. Like I think she. Design that album with the intention of it being like almost like a Broadway stage show of it being a public performance, rather than like a normal listening experience into a come around to liking reputation a lot. And I liked folk. I liked lover, you know, I thought it had some good songs and was a sweet album. Folklore is. Absolutely in my top three records of purse. So it’s it’s and the order can vary read 1989. Folklore might be red folklore, 1989. It might be 1989 folklore, but like I could go in any of those [01:18:00] permutations, but for me it is, it is instantly one of my favorite records of hers. And I’ve always loved the national and I. I like I’ve been a massive, massive national fan and it was actually so funny the night before she like announced the surprise album, swear to God hand to God. I went through some weird music listening rabbit hole, where I was listening to something. And then I was at some churches and there’s a church’s song where the lead singer, the national, um, does, uh, has like a feature and. When I heard that song, I was like, Oh, I want to listen to the national again. And so I started listening to the national and then I started listening to Taylor Swift and then like six hours later, she’s like, I’m putting out this album with like the basis from the national, like I was like, okay, wait, what? So for me, it’s, it’s this perfect fusion of like, One of my favorite bands and one of my favorite types of [01:19:00] music and one of my favorite songwriters. And I didn’t expect, I didn’t know what to expect. The sound is completely different than what I was expecting, but I fucking love it. I think it’s an amazing album. **Brett:** [01:19:11] I find that I’m not going to tell you what I think **Christina:** [01:19:13] No, I want to know what you think. If you hate it, I’m happy to hear that. **Brett:** [01:19:16] the only reason I’ve ever liked Taylor Swift is for the pop. I like jilted. I like, uh, beefing Taylor Swift, and I **Christina:** [01:19:27] She’s beefing on this album, man? **Brett:** [01:19:29] is she? Cause I don’t know. I gave it one listen and it was so grown up. Like I, it felt so mature that I kind of lost interest before I even paid attention to any of the lyrics **Christina:** [01:19:42] Okay. **Brett:** [01:19:43] did like the, I like to exile with, uh, yeah. **Christina:** [01:19:47] Amazing song to me. That’s the standout song on the album. I think that’s like an amazing, amazing song. Um, okay. So first of all, I agree with you that it lacks the pop, right? Like you lack the hook, [01:20:00] although, **Brett:** [01:20:00] sugar. **Christina:** [01:20:01] although no, no sugar, although interestingly. I think that you could with different production take these songs, like, especially like there’s this song called Betty, which Betty, I think we’ve actually released it to country radio. Betty is a song that they could be at home on speaking out, which **Brett:** [01:20:16] sure. And I’ve heard, I’ve heard acoustic covers of some of her truly pop stuff that have shown that those songs actually make really good, serious songs **Christina:** [01:20:27] Right. Well, **Brett:** [01:20:28] song writing. I cannot fault her for songwriting. **Christina:** [01:20:31] no. Well actually, Yeah, right. Well, actually, this, this was sort of my, my, my, my thesis. This is the like inverse of 1989, because 1989, you could break down all the highly produced pop stuff and you could make the, like, the bones could be something like vocal or where it’s folk for. **Brett:** [01:20:50] as evidenced by what’s his name? **Christina:** [01:20:52] Ryan Adams. Yeah. Whereas folklore, I think that you could do the inverse where you could beef up the [01:21:00] production and change it around and make these like bonafide pop songs. Not all of them, but at least some of them, um, I will say my tiers ricochet, which is track five, um, that is more than like that you wouldn’t like beefy Taylor, like she is. She’s like, um, You know, uh, she’s, it’s basically from the, my interpretation of it is that it is about, uh, her break from a big machine records. And she basically is talking about like, um, you know, like, um, yeah, you’re listening to it yet. She she’s, she’s like, uh, she was like, uh, you know, it was like, she basically, we gather here, we, we line up weeping into sunlit room. So like you’re at my funeral. Um, and, and she’s basically talking to me like, like you’re, you’re on my, like you’re at my funeral. And like, I didn’t have it and myself to go with grace. And so the battleships will sink beneath the waves. You had to kill me, but it killed you just the same cursing. My name, wishing I stayed. You turned into your worst fears. Like it’s, it’s a [01:22:00] pretty intense song where she’s just basically like you’re at my funeral watching me, like, even though, um, I loved you. What did I do to deserve this? Um, and like, and if I’m dead to you, why are you at the wake Christy? And my name was shunned. I stayed looking at how my tears ricochet it’s, it’s a pretty intense song. There’s another one where it called. I’m a mad woman and this is a good one. This is one of her first use, uh, is a fuck on, on a song. Um, and she’s like, um, you know, she’s like a, **Brett:** [01:22:32] Oh, it’s right in the F I remember I heard, I heard that and they were like first four lines. **Christina:** [01:22:36] Exactly. **Brett:** [01:22:37] well, that’s new. **Christina:** [01:22:38] Yeah, exactly. It’s like, what do you sing on your drive home? Do you see my face in the neighbor’s lawn? Does she smile or does she mouth fuck you forever is like, and then the court, like the pre-chorus is like every time you call me crazy. I get more crazy. What about that? And when you say I’m angry, I get more angry. And, and just talked me through it. There’s nothing like in that woman, what a shame she [01:23:00] went mad and that one is kind of right. Or at least I read it is this about scooter Braun who bought her masters, who she doesn’t like. And like that is angry song. Like that is like every much as like a better than revenge style **Brett:** [01:23:12] So I will wait to hear the pop covers of this album before I make any, uh, any final decisions. I mean, it is a Taylor Swift podcast. I have to, I have to **Christina:** [01:23:24] You do have to, you do have to give it a shot. I will say also it’s a very fall album, like in, it’s still sort of warm out. So I have a feeling, this is one of those albums that’s going to like, **Brett:** [01:23:35] sink sink in over the winter. **Christina:** [01:23:38] Totally. I mean, so red is my favorite album of hers. Like probably it’s, it’s like a toss up between bread 1989. I think bread is her best album. Um, and I used to be seen for me if this will replace that, like from a songwriting perspective, I think it could, but red. Does have the hook, but it does have the pop. It does have the sugar, you know, it has the, we are never, ever getting back together. [01:24:00] There was a certain irony that she is now ma made the indie record a much cooler than hers, uh, herself. But, uh, no, I, but I, I, I feel your critique, but yeah, it’s interesting. Cause I think that. I would love to hear somebody rework her songs into more like traditional pop songs. Cause I think that you could the same way that her other stuff, you know, you could like tear down. I think that you could build these up. I think it’s just the production, **Brett:** [01:24:29] fair enough. I accept your thesis **Christina:** [01:24:31] but, but I w w **Brett:** [01:24:33] Taylor Swift doctorate program. **Christina:** [01:24:35] yeah, basically, but I want you to listen to it more because I want to hear your thoughts and, um, especially listen also great song, the last great American dynasty. Fucking baller song. It’s about this real woman who owned the house that she, like, she owns this massive mansion in Rhode Island. That’s like bigger than anything. And it’s about the woman who owned the house before her, who [01:25:00] was socialite, who like married like this, the air to standard oil and, um, She was, she was a fucking like bananas person. Like she got in trouble for like dying a neighbor’s cat green. Yeah. And she like would clean the pool with champagne. Legit Dolly made her earn, um, the fight over her state that she, she funded, um, uh, the ballet for a long time. Like the fight over her state was pretty bananas, like where people were like leaving her apartment, like basically like. Just stealing as much of her shit as they could. Her kids were all kinds of fucked up, like seriously fucked up. Like she had like four or five husbands, like this woman, like Rebecca Harkness. Fucking baller and the song is about her. And then that the last, like a couplet is like, um, you know, Taylor, you know, talks about how she basically, you know, bought this house. Um, and, uh, you know, there was kind of a similar reaction by the [01:26:00] people in the town when, when she bought the house to this woman. And, um, I found this New York magazine, I mean, a cover story from like 1983, when the woman died. About kind of the tragedy of Brown, her and her family and the whole thing. And then there was a book about that, that I got off of Amazon before everybody and their brother wrote like a, what the, you know, last great American dynasty song is about because the book is out of print. So I got it for like $8 and now it is far more than $8. So a good, good going obsessive compulsive, Christina on that one. Um, but, um, yeah, that song is, is probably the closest thing to like a pop track on the album track three. **Brett:** [01:26:43] I will do some more homework. **Christina:** [01:26:45] All right. Yeah. Do some more homework. And we’ll talk about this again. What homework do you have for me? What should it be listening to anything or watching anything? Um, other than, um, what was the CBS show? Um, **Brett:** [01:26:55] Life in pieces. **Christina:** [01:26:56] life in pieces. What else should I watch or listen to? **Brett:** [01:26:58] have you heard Kay Flay? [01:27:00] I want to hear your thoughts on Kay Flay. She’s she’s my current favorite artist. She’s I don’t know how to classify her. I guess you would say like hip hop over like EDM beats, but also she sings and falls into more of a Oh, who? I had a comparison that I forgotten now, but yeah, give it a shot. Tell me what you think. We’ll we’ll compare notes in a week. **Christina:** [01:27:28] Gotcha. I will definitely do that. **Brett:** [01:27:32] All right. Well, that that was a great season. Two opener episode. Good to hear from you. Yeah. I look forward to, uh, to making this a weekly thing. **Christina:** [01:27:43] Yes, I am too. **Brett:** [01:27:45] Alright. Get some sleep. **Christina:** [01:27:47] Thanks Brett. You get some sleep too.

We are back. We are very tired. We have a lot to catch up on. Christina has been traveling the globe and adjusting to that suitcase living, jet-lagging lifestyle. Brett is pondering a move and has been hard at work on nvUltra, the long-awaited successor to nvALT. Welcome back to Overtired, aka “(Medication/Exercise/Tech/TV/Taylor Swift) Update”.

Episode 78 is when you talk over someone to tell them how good you are at shutting up and listening. New cars, new laptops, new affronts to humanity and democracy. And Siri shortcuts. Show notes -> Matebook X Pro -> Adrenal Dessicated -> NightOwl -> Electron -> SnazzyLabs: Hey Siri, Drive My Tesla Follow -> Overtired: @ovrtrd -> Christina: @film_girl -> Brett: @ttscoff -> A random follower from our Twitter account: @sncrowe

Breaking promises, crashing cars. All in a day’s work for these two wacky kids. Show notes ->Snazzy Labs ->CleanMyMac X ->Setapp ->MacUpdate Desktop ->Sunny in Philadelphia ->The Mick ->Active Measures ->Three Identical Strangers ->Won’t You Be My Neighbor ->You Are My Friend Follow -> Overtired: @ovrtrd -> Christina: @film_girl -> Brett: @ttscoff -> A random follower from our Twitter account: @tantramar

Celebrating Brett’s birthday, he and Christina get up to an especially high level of quality shenanigans. Picture an old man very upset with technology talking with a charming woman about how the popular kids in high school probably weren’t that bad. That’ll get you pretty close. Sponsored by… Not Synology, though it might as well have been. Synology, it’s not Drobo. Show notes Latuda Concerta Vyvanse Dexadrine Synology Macdrifter Backblaze B2 Brett’s Amazon Wishlist VS Code Atom. Follow Overtired: @ovrtrd Christina: @film_girl Brett: @ttscoff A random follower from our Twitter account: @tantramar

Quitting vaping, starting meds, sleeping in Las Vegas. All just preparation for an amateur psychological evaluation of Taylor Swift. Because this is and has always been a Taylor Swift podcast.

Welcome to the 74th episode of the apparently semi-annual podcast, Overtired. This episode is about a lot of stuff but mostly just swearing. We love you. Show Notes Homepod Sonos Play:1 The Bachelor The Americans The Orville Dexter Now Do This… Follow @ovrtrd Follow @film_girl and @ttscoff Leave iTunes reviews Check out Rocket on Relay and Systematic right here on ESN