

The Thinking Practitioner
Til Luchau & Whitney Lowe
Join two of the leading educators in manual therapy, bodywork, and massage therapy, as they delve into the most intriguing issues, questions, research, and client conditions that hands-on practitioners face. Stimulate your thinking with imaginative conversations, tips, and interviews related to the somatic arts and sciences.
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Oct 2, 2024 • 45min
128: Tendon Pain Update (with Jill Cook)
Dive into the world of tendinopathy with expert insights from Dr. Jill Cook. Discover the shift from viewing tendon issues as inflammatory to degenerative conditions. Learn why traditional treatments like friction massage and anti-inflammatories are being reconsidered. Explore the critical role of proper loading and compression in rehabilitation strategies. Uncover the dangers of certain medications on tendon health and the importance of muscle strength in preventing injuries. This conversation is packed with evidence-based knowledge for effective treatment!

Sep 18, 2024 • 50min
127: Low Back Pain Update (with Whitney Lowe & Til Luchau)
In this episode, Til and Whitney dive into strategies for addressing low back pain (LBP) with hands-on work, exploring LBP's prevalence, causes, and treatments. Sharing the insights they've gained from experts such as Nikolai Bogduk, Stewart McGill, Paul Hodges, Lorimer Moseley, Helene Langevin and Antonio Stecco, they lay out the diverse views on both the structural and non-mechanical origins of LBP. Listeners will also learn about therapeutic approaches, the significance of practitioner confidence, and the importance of comprehensive evaluations. Tune in for a fascinating look at how practitioners and clients alike can better understand and work with low back pain.
Key Topics:
1. Prevalence of low back pain
Over 60-70% of people have episodes of low back pain at some point [01:51]
Leading cause of disability worldwide
Huge economic impact
2. Potential evolutionary factors contributing to low back pain
Transition to bipedalism and upright posture
Differences in spinal curvature and hip mobility between cultures [05:45]
3. Causes and contributors to low back pain - [07:39]
Overemphasis on disc and structural issues in the past
Importance of comprehensive evaluation beyond just structural issues
Role of soft tissue, muscular, and neural factor
4. Influence of practitioner perspective and confidence on outcomes [30:20]
Importance of the therapeutic relationship and rapport
Unexpected interventions can sometimes be effective [35:53]
5. Personal experiences with low back pain
Overuse vs. underuse/immobility as contributors
Debates about the significance of posture, load, and context [41:31]
Limits of expertise vs. scope of practice for massage therapists
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Resources mentioned in this episode:
ABMPs’ CE Summit on LBP: live Oct 1, 2024 and free to everyone in the profession: abmp.com/summit
Portions also available by recording to ABMP members and next year, to A-T Subscribers
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Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at: academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Sep 4, 2024 • 1h 10min
126: Fascia: A Deep Dive (with Dr. Antonio Stecco, Rebroadcast)
Til and Whitney speak with fascial researcher, anatomist, and manual therapy teacher Antonio Stecco MD PhD about his research in to fascial properties, pain, and the effects of hands-on work, in this audience-favorite episode from our archives, where it originally ran as Ep. 53.
Key Topics:
Introduction to Dr. Antonio Stecco and his background in fascia research
The role of the Stecco family in advancing fascia research
Differences between superficial fascia and deep fascia
The concept of fascial densification vs. fibrosis
How manual therapy affects fascial lubrication and gliding
The relationship between fascial stiffness/thickness and pain
Mechanisms for long-lasting effects of fascial manipulation
The importance of restoring proper biomechanics, not just treating pain
The role of retinacula in proprioception and joint stability
New MRI techniques for imaging fascial properties
Molecular structure of hyaluronan in fascia
Use of hyaluronidase injections for treating spasticity
Resources for learning more about fascial manipulation
Get the full transcript at Til or Whitney's sites!
Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Resources discussed in this episode:
Dr Stecco’s research and publications (NYU)
FM app on the Apple Store and Google Play
Dr Stecco’s site: fascialmanipulation.com
Papers mentioned in the episode:
Gerber et al., “A Systematic Comparison Between Subjects With No Pain and Pain Associated With Active Myofascial Trigger Points.”
Langevin, Helene M. et al. “Reduced Thoracolumbar Fascia Shear Strain in Human Chronic Low Back Pain.” BMC Musculoskeletal Disorders 12, no. 1 (December 2011): 203. https://doi.org/10.1186/1471-2474-12-203.
Stecco, Antonio at al. “Ultrasonography in Myofascial Neck Pain: Randomized Clinical Trial for Diagnosis and Follow-Up.” Surgical and Radiologic Anatomy 36, no. 3 (April 2014): 243–53. https://doi.org/10.1007/s00276-013-1185-2.
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About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Aug 21, 2024 • 45min
125: Moving with Grief (with Til Luchau & Whitney Lowe)
🎙️ Grief affects everyone: every person, every practitioner, and every client will lose something important to them, whether it’s their youth, ability, dreams, or a loved one. And so, everyone will grieve.
In this episode, Whitney interviews Til about how the recent loss of his wife has given him a new perspective on grieving, and being with others in grief: what helps, what’s important to know, and how to move with grief, as we feel what needs to be felt, and do the things that need to be done. 🔍🗣️👥🔊
Key Points in the Podcast
Introduction to the podcast and sponsors (0:00-1:20)
Til Luchau's personal experience with grief and loss (1:20-5:30)
The importance of self-care for caretakers (5:30-8:30)
Lessons learned from the grief process (8:30-14:55)
Balancing work and personal life during grief (14:55-18:00)
The importance of acknowledging grief in client interactions (18:00-21:00)
Understanding the stages and timeline of grief (21:00-23:30)
Strategies for supporting others dealing with loss (23:30-26:30)
The impact of grief on cognitive function (26:30-31:51)
Final insights and reflections on grief (31:51-37:00)
Closing remarks and sponsor acknowledgements (37:00-39:00)
Resources
Episode 66: Beyond "It Depends" Oncology Massage (with Janet Penny, Rebecca Sturgeon, and Loretta Luchau)
Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Sponsor Offers:
Til Luchau’s “ANKLE Issues” livestream course (live Aug 24-25 '24, or later by recording): advanced-trainings.com/workshop/onl2408m/
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ABMP: save $24 on new membership at abmp.com/thinking.
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Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at: academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Aug 7, 2024 • 1h 6min
124: Movement Logic (with Laurel Beversdorf & Sarah Court)
In this episode Whitney interviews Laurel Beversdorf and Dr. Sarah Court (co-hosts of the Movement Logic Podcast) to talk about movement, exercise, and rehabilitation. They discuss topics such as the misconceptions surrounding strength training and its impact on flexibility and mobility, strength training for women, posture, movement re-education, and the importance of load management, and much more. Check it out now!
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Key Points in the Podcast
- Misconceptions about strength training and its impact on flexibility (06:00)
- Overcoming resistance to strength training in the yoga community (08:00)
- The fear of injury associated with lifting heavy weights (10:00)
- The benefits of strength training at home (14:00)
- Starting strength training after developing a physical injury (16:00)
- The importance of proper technique and strength for manual therapists (18:00)
- The scope of practice for manual therapists in recommending exercise (20:00)
- The limitations of personal trainer certifications (22:00)
- Differentiating between scope of practice and scope of expertise (24:00
- The shift towards loading and strengthening in tendon rehabilitation (32:00)
- The impact of posture and load on the body (34:00)
- The importance of considering individual goals and abilities in posture (38:00)
- The role of elite athletes and their unique movement patterns (40:00)
- The social and hierarchical implications of posture (46:00)
- How to connect with Laurel Beversdorf and Sarah Court (48:00)
Resources:
Slouch, Posture Panic in Modern America by Beth Linker
Movement Logic Podcast
Social Media: @movementlogictutorials , @laurelbeversdorf, @sarahcourtdpt
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Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at: academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Jul 24, 2024 • 55min
123: Getting Over Over-Pronation: Ankle & Foot Function (Rebroadcast)
In celebration of Til Luchau's upcoming "Ankle Issues" livestreamed course, Til and Whitney pulled one of their favorite ankle-related episodes (#43) out of the archives. Listen in as they geek out on ankle- and foot-related conditions, anatomy, function, biomechanics and more.
Topics include:
How the structure of the foot/ankle complex determines function
Are we over over-pronation yet?
Plantar fasciitis/fasciosis, bunions, hammertoes, and other things you wouldn’t have thought of as ankle issues.
Episode Outline:
Structure of the foot/ankle complex
Medial side deltoid ligament complex
Lateral side ATF, CF, PTF
How does structure govern function
Distal tibiofibular joint & talocrural joint form mortise & tenon
Primary supporting ligaments
Mechanics of the region:
Talocrural motions: dorsiflexion & plantarflexion
Type I and type II limitations
Subtalar motions: inversion & eversion
Pronation and supination (definitions and confusion)
Phases of gait
Some common issues/problems
Valgus and varus angulations (toes and calcaneal region)
“Overpronation”
Bunions & hammertoes
Plantar fasciitis
Tendon overuse (Achilles tendon etc.)
Trauma: sprains breaks
Nerve entrapments mimicking soft-tissue pathology (i.e. tarsal tunnel syndrome, Baxter’s neuropathy, etc.)
Resources and references discussed in this episode:
Til Luchau’s “ANKLE Issues” livestream course (live Aug 24-25 '24, or later by recording): advanced-trainings.com/workshop/onl2408m/
Trail Guide to Movement: save 15% by entering "thinking" at checkout on booksofdiscovery.com
Whitney Lowe’s site: AcademyOfClinicalMassage.com
Til Luchau’s site: Advanced-Trainings.com
Podcast anatomy image from Advanced Myofascial Techniques, Volume 1. Used under license from Primal Pictures.
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Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at: academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Jul 10, 2024 • 43min
122: Performing Arts Massage (with Christian Green)
🎙️In this episode Whitney talks with Christian Green about working with athletes and performing artists. They cover some of the unique facets of working with these special populations. There is much more than specialized techniques necessary to work in these environments and Christian shares some unique and interesting perspectives. 🔍🗣️👥🔊
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Key Points in the Podcast
Introduction to the podcast (0:00)
Introduction of Christian Green and his background (1:00)
Working with performing artists (4:00)
Performing Arts Medicine Association (PAMA) (6:00)
Challenges in finding performing artists as clients (9:00)
Stigma around seeking help in the performing arts community (11:00)
Reasons for the stigma (13:00)
Collaboration with other healthcare professionals (17:00)
Preventive care for athletes and performing artists (19:00)
Biomechanical challenges in performing arts (23:00)
Importance of education and research in massage therapy (27:00)
Advice for new massage therapists interested in working with athletes and performing artists (29:00)
Trend lines in acceptance of massage therapy in the athletic and performing arts communities (32:00)
Closing thoughts on the essence of bodywork (35:00)
Contact information for Christian Green (37:00)
Conclusion and call to support the podcast (38:00)
Resources:
Performing Arts Medicine Association (PAMA)
christian@manualtherapyseattle.com
Christian's website
Sponsor Offers:
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Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at: academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Jun 26, 2024 • 40min
121: Analyzing Manual Therapy (with Whitney Lowe)
🎙️ In this episode Whitney discusses a 2024 paper on modern manual therapy teaching and practice. The paper describes traditional manual therapy principles, including clinician-centered assessment, pathoanatomical reasoning, and technique specificity, and their criticisms based on recent research. He then outlines a proposed new framework for manual therapy practice and education. Lowe encourages listeners to read the paper and reflect on how these concepts align with or differ from their current practices, aiming to stimulate critical thinking about the evolution of manual therapy approaches in light of current research and understanding.
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Key Points in the Podcast
Introduction to the podcast (0:00-0:30)
Discussion of a paper titled "A Modern Way to Teach and Practice Manual Therapy" (0:30-3:50)
Overview of traditional manual therapy principles (3:50-9:30)
Clinician-centered assessment (4:10-6:50)
Pathoanatomical reasoning (6:50-11:00)
Technique specificity (11:00-16:00)
Proposed new framework for manual therapy (16:00-23:00)
Safety in the therapeutic alliance (16:30-18:00)
Creating a comfortable environment (18:00-19:30)
Efficiency in therapy delivery (19:30-21:00)
Communication and context (21:00-22:00)
Person-centered care (22:00-23:00
Implications for teaching and practice (23:00-29:00)
Challenges in reframing teaching methods (23:30-25:30)
Importance of safety, comfort, and person-centered care (25:30-27:30)
Questions for practitioners to consider (27:30-29:00)
Resources:
A Modern Way to Teach and Practice Manual Therapy: https://bit.ly/45tGfHj
Sponsor Offers:
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Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at: academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

Jun 12, 2024 • 47min
120: Kinesiology, Pain Management, & Massage (with Justin Solace)
🎙️In this episode Whitney and Justin discuss the benefits of a diverse educational background and the value of pursuing additional higher education for clinical massage practitioners. They also delve into some of the key facets of how massage and corrective movement can be used most effectively for pain management. 🔍🗣️👥🔊
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
Key Points in the Podcast
Introduction to the podcast (0:00)
Background of Justin Solace (2:00)
Pursuing a master's degree in kinesiology (6:00)
Integrating exercise into massage therapy (10:00)
The influence of psychology and motor learning on massage therapy (14:00)
The boundaries of massage therapy and exercise recommendations (18:00)
The role of massage therapy in pain management (22:00)
The importance of validation in pain management (26:00)
Balancing work and self-care as a massage therapist (30:00)
Creating a supportive work environment for massage therapists (34:00)
The future of the massage therapy field (38:00)
How to connect with Justin Solace (42:00)
Resources:
Hybrid Health: https://hybridpainrelief.com/
Hybrid Health Continuing Education: https://www.facebook.com/Hybridhealtheducation
Justin's email: info@hybridpainrelief.com
Sponsor Offers:
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Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at: academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)

May 29, 2024 • 1h 1min
119: The Ankle's Most Sensitive Fascia (with Rachelle Clauson & Nicole Trombley)
🎙️In this episode, educators, authors, and massage therapists Rachelle Clauson and Nicole Trombley discuss the surprising sensitivity and functional significance of the ankle’s fascial retinaculum. Their conversation with Whitney and Til also ventures into Rachelle’s work on the Fascial Plastination Project, and their hands-on anatomy educational offerings via AnatomySCAPES. 🔍🗣️👥🔊
Watch the video and get the full transcript of their conversation on Til or Whitney's sites:
Til Luchau’s Advanced-Trainings.com
Whitney Lowe’s Academy of Clinical Massage
👉Check out Til Luchau's new Ankle Issues livestreamed and recorded course (first time online!) at a-t.tv/workshop/onl2408m/
Key Points in the Podcast
- Introduction to The Thinking Practitioner Podcast - 0:00
- Introduction to guests and their work - 0:50
- Overview of the Fascial Plastination project - 3:50
- Discussion on the retinaculum and its significance for hands-on therapists - 9:58
- The role of the retinacula in proprioception - 13:44
- The connection between structure and neurology in hands-on therapy - 19:58
- Overview of the AnatomySCAPES project - 29:50
- The challenges of teaching anatomy to massage therapists - 34:50
- The importance of revisiting and relearning anatomy - 38:22
- The value of in-person workshops and the accessibility of online resources - 45:01
- How to learn more and connect with the guests - 57:22
Contact and Resources:
Website | FB | IG | YouTube | email: info@anatomyscapes.com
“Retinacula: Finding our Footing” in Massage & Bodywork magazine, March/April 2024, p66
Fascial Net Plastination Project
BODY WORLDS FR:EIA Exhibit:
YouTube lecture from Carla Stecco “Fascia Research and Proprioception: Implication in Sports”
Retinacula Research: Stecco C, Macchi V, Porzionato A, Morra A, Parenti A, Stecco A, Delmas V, De Caro R. The ankle retinacula: morphological evidence of the proprioceptive role of the fascial system. Cells Tissues Organs. 2010;192(3):200-10. doi: 10.1159/000290225. Epub 2010 Feb 27. PMID: 20197652. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20197652
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Academy of Clinical Massage: Grab Whitney's valuable Assessment Cheat Sheet for free at: academyofclinicalmassage.com/cheatsheet
About Whitney Lowe | About Til Luchau | Email Us: info@thethinkingpractitioner.com
(The Thinking Practitioner Podcast is intended for professional practitioners of manual and movement therapies: bodywork, massage therapy, structural integration, chiropractic, myofascial and myotherapy, orthopedic, sports massage, physical therapy, osteopathy, yoga, strength and conditioning, and similar professions. It is not medical or treatment advice.)


