

unSILOed with Greg LaBlanc
Greg La Blanc
unSILOed is a series of interdisciplinary conversations that inspire new ways of thinking about our world. Our goal is to build a community of lifelong learners addicted to curiosity and the pursuit of insight about themselves and the world around them.*unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*
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Jun 14, 2023 • 59min
292. Re-examining Human Exceptionalism feat. Barbara Natterson-Horowitz
While it is commonly assumed that prevalent health issues like heart disease, obesity, and depression are uniquely human experiences, they exist across multiple species.Despite the undeniable connection rooted in our shared animal nature, a perceptible barrier remains between human and veterinary medicine and psychology, often driven by the notion of human exceptionalism.Barbara Natterson-Horowitz is a cardiologist, Professor of Medicine in the Division of Cardiology at UCLA, a visiting professor in the Department of Human Evolutionary Biology at Harvard University, as well as a New York Times bestselling author. Her latest book “Wildhood” examines the surprising parallels of adolescent humans and animals in navigating risk and social hierarchies, how to connect romantically, and how to live independently.Barbara and Greg talk about the importance of removing the blindfold of human exceptionalism and a cross-species approach to medicine and psychology, which includes veterinary and evolutionary perspectives, to gain valuable insights from other species.*unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:What are the core competencies of being an adult?54:24: Adolescence occurs across vertebrates, and even—we studied lobsters, crayfish, and so on—invertebrates. And that we decided to make the definition our own, and this was based on a number of studies that we did to figure out what are the core competencies of being an adult. And we said, "Okay, it starts with puberty. And it ends when an animal has mastered four core competencies, which are staying safe, learning to navigate social structures and hierarchies, learning to communicate sexually, not have sex because, as we say, copulation is easy, courtship is hard, and then finally learning to feed yourself and be independent.The connection between human and animal medicine57:47: If you ask physicians today what is the connection between human and animal medicine, they'll say infection; they'll say what is called zoonosis; and what they'll leave out are the connections around heart disease and psychiatry, which is mental health.What is most likely to kill wild animals?23:15: The risk of starvation is a clear and present danger when you look at what is most likely to kill wild animals. And there is some debate about what is the greatest danger. And it probably varies, but starvation, predation, and infection are definitely high up there. And the three interact. So starvation is a clear and present danger to survival.Recognizing biodiversity21:02: Part of biodiversity is physiologic diversity, and part of physiologic diversity is neurophysiologic diversity, and neurophysiologic diversity shapes behavior. So there's this continuity that I don't think most psychotherapists and psychiatrists are sufficiently aware of.Show Links:Guest Profile:Faculty Profile at UCLABarbara Natterson-Horowitz's WebsiteBarbara Natterson-Horowitz on LinkedInBarbara Natterson-Horowitz on TwitterBarbara Natterson-Horowitz on TEDMEDHer Work:Wildhood: The Astounding Connections between Human and Animal AdolescentsZoobiquity: The Astonishing Connection Between Human and Animal Health by Barbara Natterson-Horowitz & Kathryn BowersBarbara Natterson-Horowitz on Google Scholar Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jun 12, 2023 • 48min
291. Embracing the Problems in Your Life feat. Bernard Roth
Life is all about solving problems—whether it’s what shirt to put on in the morning or how to solve a complex engineering question. And without problems, life wouldn’t have much meaning. But how do you master effective problem-solving skills? Bernard Roth is a professor of Mechanical Engineering at Stanford University and is one of the founders of Stanford’s Hasso Plattner Institute of Design (also known as the d.school). It was at Stanford that he first noticed a correlation between problem-solving in engineering and problem-solving in life. So he integrated those ideas into his teaching and wrote, The Achievement Habit: Stop Wishing, Start Doing, and Take Command of Your Life. Bernie and Greg discuss the importance of embracing the problems in your life, how to become a more effective problem solver, and why reasons are bullshit. *unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:Seeing problem as an opportunity14:54: I live with people who believe problems are opportunities. So the bigger the problem, the bigger the opportunity. And if you think about it, that's what life is about. Life is about problem-solving. Problem-solving is a great activity, and it's not necessarily frustrating. It's not like a disease, you know; it's actually an exercise.Redefining achievement17:30: To me, achievement is when you die, your friends don't have to lie about you. And you enjoyed life in a way that you found it to be a life forceUsing reasons as an excuse26:39: The big thing is reasons are often used as excuses. And that's for me the big “so what?” So “reasons are bullshit” is the truth, that they're not the truth of anything because there is no reason for one thing, and who cares? But the point is that if you use a reason, it's an excuse often and doesn't let you move forward.The idea of failing forward13:47: You have to do something. You have to take a step. You don't sit there and think and think and think about it; you're taking the step. You get valuable feedback, which you can then use to improve things. So that's our philosophy of this bias towards action and the idea of failing forward. And it seems to work.Show Links:Recommended Resources:John E. ArnoldWright BrothersGuest Profile:Faculty Profile at Stanford UniversityBernard Roth on LinkedInBernard Roth on TwitterBernard Roth on Talks at GoogleHis Work:The Achievement Habit: Stop Wishing, Start Doing, and Take Command of Your LifeMore publications by Bernard Roth Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jun 9, 2023 • 56min
290. Evolution as the Tinkerer Not the Engineer feat. Marlene Zuk
Here’s the thing about evolution: It’s really complicated. And there’s so much about how humans have evolved and what causes certain behaviors that scientists are still figuring out. It’s those unknowns that fascinate Marlene Zuk, a professor of Ecology, Evolution and Behavior at the University of Minnesota. She’s written numerous books on animal behavior and evolution, with her most recent publication being Dancing Cockatoos and the Dead Man Test: How Behavior Evolves and Why It Matters. Marlene and Greg discuss common misconceptions about genes and heredity, how to even define “behavior,” and why humans have not evolved to be perfectly suited for our environment. *unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:On the complexity of science04:14: Newsflash: Science is complicated. But I feel like if you can internalize that complication, it's really liberating because you realize that you do not have to come up with the sound bite, the click bait, or whatever you want to call it.Underestimating our capacity as human beings29:44: Mismatch is real, but what it illustrates is how evolution works, which is full of trade-offs and things that are just okay but functional. And evolution doesn't produce organisms that are perfect for their environment because it can't. Evolution can only produce something based on what's already there.Evolution shows your connectedness among living things20:44: One of the things that I think is super cool about evolution is that it shows you the connectedness among living things. How awesome is that? But to go from there to creating this scale of nature, this chain of being, and saying, "Okay, well, this one is next to me because it's better than the one that's behind it, and the ones that are next to me are better than the ones that aren't next to me," That just seems feudal.Show Links:Recommended Resources:Hamish SpencerWatson and Crick She Has Her Mother’s Laugh: The Powers, Perversions, and Potential of HereditaryunSILOed episode featuring Daniel LiebermanGuest Profile:Faculty Profile at University of Minnesota Professional Profile on Association for Behavior Analysis InternationalHer Work:Dancing Cockatoos and the Dead Man Test: How Behavior Evolves and Why It MattersPaleofantasy: What Evolution Really Tells Us about Sex, Diet, and How We LiveSex on Six Legs: Lessons on Life, Love, and Language from the Insect WorldRiddled With Life: Friendly Worms, Ladybug Sex, and the Parasites That Make Us Who We AreSexual Selections: What We Can and Can't Learn About Sex from AnimalsScholarly Articles Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jun 5, 2023 • 1h 3min
289. The Religious Roots of Economics feat. Benjamin M. Friedman
Benjamin M. Friedman, former Chair of Economics at Harvard University, discusses the religious roots of economics. He explores the influence of the Enlightenment Age, the correlation between economic growth and moral progress, and the impact of religion on capitalism and political beliefs. The podcast also explores the clash between the gospel of wealth and the social gospel movement in 19th-century America.

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Jun 2, 2023 • 1h 2min
288. Politics, Economics, and Irrationality feat. Bryan Caplan
It may be rational to be ignorant, and it might even be rational to be irrational! This is quite prevalent in our highly polarized and tribalized current political landscape. In fact, it is what gives politics its newfound religious flavor. In education it exists where we move everyone forward the same amount, no one has moved relative to each other, and it is considered progress. Bryan Caplan is an economist and a Professor of Economics at George Mason University. He is also an author whose latest book is titled Voters as Mad Scientists: Essays on Political Irrationality, and it is a collection of his very best essays published originally over the years on EconLog.Bryan and Greg discuss politics and voting. They discuss the value of voting in this democracy. They also talk about Bryan’s book and get into different instances of voter irrationality. Bryan discusses his political views, and they both ponder the question of how much educational investment is socially wasteful. Finally, they talk about parenting and schools and how to an economist, everything has an associated price.*unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.Episode Quotes:On deciding your family size52:03: I think that most people decide their family size based upon current exhaustion rather than weighing, "How many kids do I want now? How many kids do I want in 40 years?" But the main thing I tell people is that first, fix your parenting style to get in line with the facts, because it's just not true that your kid's future is in your hands. And then, secondly, once you do that, once you have relaxed to this level, that is when it makes sense to rethink the number of kids you want to have.Rational rationality gives politics its religious flavor11:21: The same incentives that give you very little reason to acquire information also give you very little reason to be intellectually honest and exert normal intellectual self-discipline. And those latter things are what I call rational irrationality. And this is really what gives politics its religious flavor.How do you know if you’re making rationally ignorant decisions?10:04: Rationally ignorance is something that has been talked about in social science for a long time. It's just the idea that when time is money, it is often not worthwhile to get information. And so you can rationally make a decision to be ignorant.Thinking beyond normal data sets can change your kids' outcomes49:59: If you want to change your kids' long-run outcomes, you have to do something weird. You have to do something that is literally off the chart, something that is rare enough that we don't see it happening in normal data sets.Show Links:Recommended Resources:10% Less Democracy: Why You Should Trust Elites a Little More and the Masses a Little LessImmigration vs. Social Desirability BiasThe Case Against the Sexual RevolutionGuest Profile:Faculty Profile at George Mason UniversityProfessional Profile on Cato InstituteBryan Caplan’s WebsiteBryan Caplan on TwitterBryan Caplan on SubstackHis Work:Bryan Caplan on Google ScholarArticles on The Library of Economics and LibertyThe Myth of the Rational Voter: Why Democracies Choose Bad PoliciesVoters as Mad Scientists: Essays on Political IrrationalityOpen Borders: The Science and Ethics of Immigration The Case against Education: Why the Education System Is a Waste of Time and Money Why Being a Great Parent Is Less Work and More Fun Than You ThinkDon't Be a Feminist: Essays on Genuine JusticeHow Evil Are Politicians?: Essays on DemagogueryLabor Econ Versus the World: Essays on the World's Greatest Market Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

May 31, 2023 • 52min
287. Generational Differences and the Influence of Technology feat. Jean M. Twenge
From the Silent Generation to Gen Z, different generations have distinct behaviors, values, and attitudes that were shaped by the events during their formative years.However, the most significant factor influencing generational differences is technology.While technological progress has led to more individualism, it also can have negative impacts on mental health, leading to depression and suicide.Jean M. Twenge is a professor of psychology at San Diego State University, consultant, public speaker, and author of a number of books. Her most recent book “Generations: The Real Differences Between Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, Boomers, and Silents―and What They Mean for America's Future” explores how different generations connect, conflict, and compete with one another.Jean and Greg discuss the most critical influences on different generations' experiences, such as parenting styles and technology, and the importance of understanding and respecting other generations' viewpoints.*unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:The negative impact of social media on mental health19:35: Right around that time, 2012, teens also started to spend a lot less time with their friends in person. So that had been on a slow decline since about 2000, but it fell off a cliff in the age of the smartphone. Teens also started spending less time sleeping right around that time. So, basically, the way they spent their time outside of school fundamentally changed. They started spending a lot more time online. A lot less time with their friends in person and less time sleeping. And that's not a good formula for mental health. So that's one of the mechanisms. And there's all of the others—all of the negative content that people come across on social media. Cyberbullying, the social comparison because everybody else's life is more glamorous. Body image issues, which have been well documented, including by the company Facebook themselves, who owns Instagram, found that Instagram led to body image issues among teen girls and young women. So, it's all of these mechanisms that the end result is more depression.Depression isn't just about emotions; it's about cognition.30:15: Depression isn't just about emotions; it's about cognition. It's about how you see the world, and so when more people are depressed, then you'll get that, as we do between millennials and Gen Z, that shift from optimism to pessimism, and pessimism and negativity are not all bad. If they're channeled into action, they can be a good thing.One dilemma of individualism40:01: That's one of the dilemmas of individualism, particularly for young adults: There's a lot more freedom, not as much restriction, on what I mean, it's just one example, like what you're going to do for your career. It used to be that was, not exclusively, but certainly heavily influenced by your race and your gender, and that's not true as much anymore. So it opens up many more possibilities. It also means, though, that there's a lot of choices, and that can sometimes be overwhelming.To what extent are the rise in depression and the data simply an acknowledgment that it's okay to have mental health issues?41:49: We know for sure that just more willingness to admit symptoms or problems doesn't explain the rise in mental health issues. Because if it was just that, you wouldn't see the rise in emergency room visits for self-harm, suicide attempts, or completed suicides, and not only is there that rise, but the pattern is about the same as the reports of symptoms.Show Links:Guest Profile:Faculty Profile at San Diego State UniversityJean M. Twenge's WebsiteJean M. Twenge on TwitterJean M. Twenge on LinkedInJean M. Twenge on TEDxLagunaBlancaSchoolHer Work:Jean M. Twenge on Google ScholarGenerations: The Real Differences Between Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, Boomers, and Silents―and What They Mean for America's FutureiGen: Why Today's Super-Connected Kids Are Growing Up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy--and Completely Unprepared for AdulthoodGeneration Me - Revised and Updated: Why Today's Young Americans Are More Confident, Assertive, Entitled--and More Miserable Than Ever Before Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

May 29, 2023 • 51min
286. The Market as Miracle feat. Matthew Hennessey
The science of economics can be an intimidating topic to understand, but it can be broken down into basic motivations and forces that are understandable to anyone. Supply, demand, and trade-offs are a part of everyone’s daily life and should be identifiable in any industry or market. Matthew Hennessey is a journalist who is the Deputy Op-Ed Editor for the Wall Street Journal. He is also an author, and his latest book is titled Visible Hand: A Wealth of Notions on the Miracle of the Market, which is an accessible primer on economics for newcomers of all ages and explains the concepts of the market in plain and understandable terms.Matthew and Greg discuss how Matthew’s book works to support and inform all ages of readers. Matthew recounts a motto from a high school teacher that on a wall stuck with him and changed his life. They talk about the differences in the ways different generations act with respect to the market, and they discuss how a newsroom goes about keeping the news and opinion departments separate. *unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:Bad ideas never really die20:54: Bad ideas never really die. They go to sleep for a while, and then they come, wake up, and come back to life to haunt us all. And people our age are living through something that we never thought could happen, which is a revival of a bunch of really bad ideas that everyone thought had been laid to rest long ago.14:29: The world is more filled with mystery than any one person can ever understand, and there's no reason why markets should be any different.The market is like gravity16:58: The market is like that. It's like gravity. You can't see it, but you know what it does, and don't mess with it. I don't mean that as a threat. Like, don't mess with the market. You can't take the screws out of the tires and expect it to do what it's meant to do. Show Links:Recommended Resources:Generations and years of themEconomics in One Lesson: The Shortest and Surest Way to Understand Basic EconomicsRequiem for the Newsroom by Maureen Dowd James TarantoGuest Profile:Professional Profile on Much RackProfessional Profile on Manhattan InstituteMatthew Hennessey on LinkedInMatthew Hennessey on TwitterMatthew Hennessey on InstagramHis Work:Articles at New York PostVisible Hand: A Wealth of Notions on the Miracle of the MarketZero Hour for Gen X: How the Last Adult Generation Can Save America from Millennials Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

May 26, 2023 • 53min
285. How the Buildings We Shape Shape Us feat. Sarah Williams Goldhagen
Is it a bad day that puts someone in a bad mood, or could it be the room they’re sitting in? The environments we place ourselves in function as much more than just mere backdrops, and the way spaces are designed can greatly influence how the people in them feel and react. A simple window can mean the difference between health and sickness, and the height of a ceiling may unlock creativity.Sarah Williams Goldhagen is an architecture critic and an author. Her latest book, Welcome to Your World: How the Built Environment Shapes Our Lives, is about how the environments we are in shape us in some ways we realize and in many ways that we don’t.Sarah and Greg discuss Sarah’s background and how she forged her own path to the field of environmental psychology. They talk about different known features of built architecture that affect humans in non-conscious ways, like higher ceilings, sharp angles, and the presence of windows. Sarah also introduces and explains how we experience a sort of ‘blindsight’ everyday.*unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:The importance of attention management for designers13:54: I often say to architects part of your job is attention management. Don't make people pay attention when they're just trying to find their way. They've got better things to do. They're stressed anyway, unless they're going into a hospital, a classroom, or whatever. They want to get there. That's not where you want them to pay attention, but you do want them to pay attention in, for example, so-called “restorative spaces,” which are spaces that people can deliberately design in order to slow people down, let them notice, in a fascinated and intriguing way, what's around them, which is shown to lower cortisol levels, relax people, and make them less stressed. Neutral buildings don’t exist19:43: There is no such thing as a neutral building. If a building is not helping the people who are using it, it's probably hurting them. And you can do a bad building or a good building at any level of investment for the same amount of money.Do we have blindsight in our environments?28:15: Most of the time, people don't pay a whole lot of attention to their environments. They're busy. We're all busy. You're not thinking about your environment, but that doesn't mean the environment isn't affecting you. So in this sense, we're all blindsighted.Something to look forward to in the built environment42:53: The most interesting thing that is happening in the built environment right now is probably related to the workplace because nobody can figure out what the workplace is for, how to use it, what it should be for, how to reconfigure these monoliths that we have that were meant for a kind of work that most people don't want to do anymore. And I think that there is more data. Around the workplace and around healthcare than there is around anything else. Because, of course, those are two big money drivers in the economy, and it will be very interesting to see. And some organizations involved in this space are already beginning to incorporate insights from environmental psychology and other research?Show Links:Recommended Resources:Metaphors We Live By by Lakoff and JohnsonThe Mirror Neuron SystemBlindsight BBC ArticlePeter Barrett’s Classroom ResearchAcademy of Neuroscience for ArchitectureGuest Profile:Professional Profile on Van Alen InstituteSarah Williams Goldhagen's WebsiteSarah Williams Goldhagen on LinkedInSarah Williams Goldhagen on TwitterSarah Williams Goldhagen on InstagramSarah Williams Goldhagen on Talks at GoogleHer Work:Sarah Williams Goldhagen on Google ScholarWelcome to Your World: How the Built Environment Shapes Our LivesLouis Kahn's Situated Modernism Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

May 24, 2023 • 1h 6min
284. What Racial Categories Say About Discrimination in America feat. David E. Bernstein
Most Americans have had to do it at some point: check the box that most closely describes how you identify your race or ethnicity. But those categories can be limiting. How did America settle on the specific categories that are in use? And what does it mean for how the country works on a sociological level and a legal one? David E. Bernstein is a law professor at the Antonin Scalia Law School at George Mason University. He’s written several books and scholarly articles dealing with legal history and legal interpretation, such as Classified: The Untold Story of Racial Classification in America and Rehabilitating Lochner: Defending Individual Rights against Progressive Reform. David and Greg discuss both of those books in a sweeping conversation about the history of race in America, why certain categories or groups were established, and how the idea of progressivism can look starkly different depending on the time period. *unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:Why are educated people so comfortable with simplistic narratives?01:04:15: For academics, I think that once a narrative becomes established, it's really hard to fight against it. You're a young academic writing your Ph.D. thesis, you're writing your initial articles. Yes, you might want to be the Dragon Slayer who proves the new thesis and everyone else was wrong. But you better do that really well. So if you do a half-baked job, don't persuade people that much. People can say, "Oh, you're just a nut; you're just someone on the fringe, and you don't know what you're talking about." It's a lot easier to go along with the accepted narrative, add your little piece to it, add your little extra research, get tenure, and live your happy life. So I think most people are go along to get along people, they're not especially independent-minded or interested in upsetting the apple cart.On the identity entrepreneur issue12:05: The identity entrepreneur issue—there are several layers to it. There are people who could choose one of many identities and choose whatever happens to be the most convenient for their particular purposes.Why are classifications so influential?16:13: One reason these classifications are so influential is that the census uses them. And it's not just that the census uses them. The census is the font of all data for researchers.Are Americans becoming less prejudiced?39:59: I think what we have in the long run is a cultural battle that's sort of beneath the surface that no one talks about between what's going on at the grassroots, where Americans are less prejudiced than they've ever been. 95% of Americans have no objection to interracial marriage, compared to 4% in 1958. That's quite a difference.Show Links:Recommended Resources:The Rise of the Unmeltable EthnicsLochner v. New YorkBuchanan v. WarleyAffirmative ActionWhat Blood Won’t Tell: A History of Race on Trial in America Rachel DolezalDesi ArnazTed WilliamsLefty GomezHank GreenbergJackie RobinsonDred Scott v. SandfordMichael Shermer and Skeptic Magazine Guest Profile:Faculty Profile at George Mason UniversityContributor’s Profile on The Federalist SocietyDavid E. Bernstein on TwitterHis Work:David E. Bernstein on Google ScholarScholarly Papers Article on Tablet MagazineClassified: The Untold Story of Racial Classification in AmericaLawless: The Obama Administration's Unprecedented Assault on the Constitution and the Rule of Law A Conspiracy Against Obamacare: The Volokh Conspiracy and the Health Care CaseRehabilitating Lochner: Defending Individual Rights against Progressive Reform You Can't Say That!: The Growing Threat to Civil Liberties from Antidiscrimination LawsOnly One Place of Redress: African Americans, Labor Regulations, and the Courts from Reconstruction to the New Deal (Constitutional Conflicts) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

May 22, 2023 • 1h 3min
283. Balancing Scientific Progress with Scientific Responsibility feat. Matthew Cobb
Throughout history, new advances in science, such as the advent of electricity, nuclear power, genetic engineering, or artificial intelligence, have often been met with fear and uncertainty. While novel scientific developments offer countless possibilities for improving our lives, they also come with ethical considerations and sometimes unintended consequences that must be carefully navigated.Matthew Cobb is a professor of zoology at the University of Manchester, where his research focuses on the sense of smell, insect behavior, and the history of science. He is also the author of a number of books, including As Gods: A Moral History of the Genetic Age and The Idea of the Brain: The Past and Future of Neuroscience.Matthew and Greg discuss how even well-intended use of novel technology can lead to unforeseen repercussions, why certain research, such as the gain-of-function studies, might not be worth the risk, and how good international regulation can ensure the safe use of potentially hazardous technologies such as atomic energy.*unSILOed Podcast is produced by University FM.*Episode Quotes:Overcoming fears and diving deep into genetic engineering09:08: Partly, why I want to write the book because there are three things that do worry me, very much. At least maybe two of which people are aware, and the third one they're not. And I wanted to alert people, but also, I recognize that my fears are very similar to those that occurred in the mid-1970s, for example, when genetic engineering was first developed. And it turns out that those fears were, well, unnecessary or not. But certainly, they have not caused the catastrophe that some people feared. So I wanted to test my anxieties against the past and try and work out whether I'm making a fuss about nothing or whether I'm to be alarmed.On crispr33:30: There's a series of quantitative steps toward genetic engineering. But there's a qualitative difference when you know what you're going to do and what you're putting in. This gene does this, we're going to put it in to do that. And that's an element of precision and intentionality, which makes it different.New technology disturbs us06:49: New technology generally does disturb us. If it's very widespread. Look at all the fuss about screen time and our dopamine systems being hacked by our phones. And so, no, they're not. But that's what it feels like, because you can get addicted to this endless scrolling. So, technology always has this very dangerous aspect when it's introduced, and then gradually, it becomes slightly less alarming. And that's happened with nuclear power.Why do we have different views genetically modified food24:37: Food is not simply stuff you put in your mouth. It's actually cultural. It's part of you, it's part of your way of looking at the world. And that's one of the explanations why.Show Links:Recommended Resources:"Steve Jobs" by Walter IsaacsonPaul BergDavid LiuunSILOed episode feat. Beth ShapirounSILOed episode feat. Steffanie StrathdeeGuest Profile:Faculty Profile at The University of ManchesterMatthew Cobb on TwitterHis Work:Matthew Cobb on Google ScholarArticles on The GuardianGenetic Dreams, Genetic Nightmares (BBC Podcast Series where Matthew Cobb looks at the 50-year history of genetic engineering)As Gods: A Moral History of the Genetic AgeThe Idea of the Brain: The Past and Future of NeuroscienceLife's Greatest Secret: The Race to Crack the Genetic CodeSmell: A Very Short IntroductionLife's Greatest Secret: The Race to Crack the Genetic CodeThe Egg And The Sperm RaceThe Resistance: The French Fight Against the NazisEleven Days in August: The Liberation of ParisThe Genetic Age: Our Perilous Quest to Edit Life Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


