Streaming Income - A Podcast from Barings

Leaders across Barings Global Private Credit platform discuss the similarities and differences between the direct lending markets in North America, Europe and Asia Pacific, and the potential benefits of global strategies in this space. Episode Segments: (02:41) – North American market overview (10:48) – European market overview (21:51) – APAC market overview (28:01) – The development and benefits of global direct lending strategies (34:57) – Relative value, ramp speed and building global portfolios (41:15) – How relative has shifted over time (43:38) – The mechanics of relative value decisions (46:34) – The impact of macro and geopolitical volatility (50:23) – Factors to consider when allocating to global direct lending strategies IMPORTANT INFORMATION Any forecasts in this podcast are based upon Barings’ opinion of the market at the date of preparation and are subject to change without notice, dependent upon many factors. Any prediction, projection or forecast is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance. Investment involves risk. The value of any investments and any income generated may go down as well as up and is not guaranteed. PAST PERFORMANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS. Any examples set forth in this podcast are provided for illustrative purposes only and are not indicative of any future investment results or investments. The composition, size of, and risks associated with an investment may differ substantially from any examples set forth in this podcast. No representation is made that an investment will be profitable or will not incur losses. Barings is the brand name for the worldwide asset management and associated businesses of Barings LLC and its global affiliates. Barings Securities LLC, Barings (U.K.) Limited, Barings Global Advisers Limited, Barings Australia Pty Ltd, Barings Japan Limited, Barings Real Estate Advisers Europe Finance LLP, BREAE AIFM LLP, Baring Asset Management Limited, Baring International Investment Limited, Baring Fund Managers Limited, Baring International Fund Managers (Ireland) Limited, Baring Asset Management (Asia) Limited, Baring SICE (Taiwan) Limited, Baring Asset Management Switzerland Sarl, and Baring Asset Management Korea Limited each are affiliated financial service companies owned by Barings LLC (each, individually, an “Affiliate”). NO OFFER: The podcast is for informational purposes only and is not an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or service in any jurisdiction. The material herein was prepared without any consideration of the investment objectives, financial situation or particular needs of anyone who may receive it. This podcast is not, and must not be treated as, investment advice, an investment recommendation, investment research, or a recommendation about the suitability or appropriateness of any security, commodity, investment, or particular investment strategy. Unless otherwise mentioned, the views contained in this podcast are those of Barings and are subject to change without notice. Individual portfolio management teams may hold different views and may make different investment decisions for different clients. Parts of this podcast may be based on information received from sources we believe to be reliable. Although every effort is taken to ensure that the information contained in this podcast is accurate, Barings makes no representation or warranty, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, completeness or adequacy of the information Any service, security, investment or product outlined in this podcast may not be suitable for a prospective investor or available in their jurisdiction. Copyright in this podcast is owned by Barings. Information in this podcast may be used for your own personal use, but may not be altered, reproduced or distributed without Barings’ consent. 25-4494681

Barings' Head of Global CLOs, Adrienne Butler, retraces the history of the CLO asset class from its emergence in the late-1990s through the trials of the GFC and onto the most recent innovations including private credit and infrastructure debt CLOs. Episode Segments: (03:02) – The early days of the CLO market (09:33) – How CLOs fared in the 2008 period (16:14) – The distinction between investing in 3rd party CLO tranches and originating CLOs (18:21) – A broadening investor base (23:22) – How the competitive landscape has evolved (25:18) – What’s next: Private credit, infra & real estate CLOs (28:39) – The opportunity in CLOs today (30:16) – Lessons Adrienne has learned in 25+ years in CLO markets IMPORTANT INFORMATION Any forecasts in this podcast are based upon Barings’ opinion of the market at the date of preparation and are subject to change without notice, dependent upon many factors. Any prediction, projection or forecast is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance. Investment involves risk. The value of any investments and any income generated may go down as well as up and is not guaranteed. PAST PERFORMANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS. Any examples set forth in this podcast are provided for illustrative purposes only and are not indicative of any future investment results or investments. The composition, size of, and risks associated with an investment may differ substantially from any examples set forth in this podcast. No representation is made that an investment will be profitable or will not incur losses. Barings is the brand name for the worldwide asset management and associated businesses of Barings LLC and its global affiliates. Barings Securities LLC, Barings (U.K.) Limited, Barings Global Advisers Limited, Barings Australia Pty Ltd, Barings Japan Limited, Barings Real Estate Advisers Europe Finance LLP, BREAE AIFM LLP, Baring Asset Management Limited, Baring International Investment Limited, Baring Fund Managers Limited, Baring International Fund Managers (Ireland) Limited, Baring Asset Management (Asia) Limited, Baring SICE (Taiwan) Limited, Baring Asset Management Switzerland Sarl, and Baring Asset Management Korea Limited each are affiliated financial service companies owned by Barings LLC (each, individually, an “Affiliate”). NO OFFER: The podcast is for informational purposes only and is not an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or service in any jurisdiction. The material herein was prepared without any consideration of the investment objectives, financial situation or particular needs of anyone who may receive it. This podcast is not, and must not be treated as, investment advice, an investment recommendation, investment research, or a recommendation about the suitability or appropriateness of any security, commodity, investment, or particular investment strategy. Unless otherwise mentioned, the views contained in this podcast are those of Barings and are subject to change without notice. Individual portfolio management teams may hold different views and may make different investment decisions for different clients. Parts of this podcast may be based on information received from sources we believe to be reliable. Although every effort is taken to ensure that the information contained in this podcast is accurate, Barings makes no representation or warranty, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, completeness or adequacy of the information Any service, security, investment or product outlined in this podcast may not be suitable for a prospective investor or available in their jurisdiction. Copyright in this podcast is owned by Barings. Information in this podcast may be used for your own personal use, but may not be altered, reproduced or distributed without Barings’ consent. 25-4378005

How can investors make sense of the macro and geopolitical headlines that are coming fast and furious? Ricardo Adrogue and Cem Karacadag join the Streaming Income podcast to help parse signal from noise. Episode Segments (02:32) – Rates, tariffs, oil, growth & what history tells us (09:09) – Is the risk-free rate really risk free? (10:48) – U.S exceptionalism or decadence? (11:52) – How shifting global alliances are shaping the investment picture (18:20) – Quantifying EM countries’ exposures to Trump’s policies (21:05) – Did 2024’s “low quality” rally leave credit spreads too tight? (25:56) – Why EM default risk looks lower in 2025 (30:09) – The bull cases for EM sovereign & local debt (33:18) – The books & articles influencing Ricardo & Cem’s thinking Books and Articles Mentioned in the Conversation: Why Nations Fail (Acemoglu, Robinson) Hoover (Whyte) The Road to Character (Brooks) Forget the US – Europe has successfully put tariffs on itself (Draghi) The real threat to American prosperity (Acemoglu) IMPORTANT INFORMATION Any forecasts in this podcast are based upon Barings’ opinion of the market at the date of preparation and are subject to change without notice, dependent upon many factors. Any prediction, projection or forecast is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance. Investment involves risk. The value of any investments and any income generated may go down as well as up and is not guaranteed. PAST PERFORMANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS. Any examples set forth in this podcast are provided for illustrative purposes only and are not indicative of any future investment results or investments. The composition, size of, and risks associated with an investment may differ substantially from any examples set forth in this podcast. No representation is made that an investment will be profitable or will not incur losses. Barings is the brand name for the worldwide asset management and associated businesses of Barings LLC and its global affiliates. Barings Securities LLC, Barings (U.K.) Limited, Barings Global Advisers Limited, Barings Australia Pty Ltd, Barings Japan Limited, Barings Real Estate Advisers Europe Finance LLP, BREAE AIFM LLP, Baring Asset Management Limited, Baring International Investment Limited, Baring Fund Managers Limited, Baring International Fund Managers (Ireland) Limited, Baring Asset Management (Asia) Limited, Baring SICE (Taiwan) Limited, Baring Asset Management Switzerland Sarl, and Baring Asset Management Korea Limited each are affiliated financial service companies owned by Barings LLC (each, individually, an “Affiliate”). NO OFFER: The podcast is for informational purposes only and is not an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or service in any jurisdiction. The material herein was prepared without any consideration of the investment objectives, financial situation or particular needs of anyone who may receive it. This podcast is not, and must not be treated as, investment advice, an investment recommendation, investment research, or a recommendation about the suitability or appropriateness of any security, commodity, investment, or particular investment strategy. Unless otherwise mentioned, the views contained in this podcast are those of Barings and are subject to change without notice. Individual portfolio management teams may hold different views and may make different investment decisions for different clients. Parts of this podcast may be based on information received from sources we believe to be reliable. Although every effort is taken to ensure that the information contained in this podcast is accurate, Barings makes no representation or warranty, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, completeness or adequacy of the information Any service, security, investment or product outlined in this podcast may not be suitable for a prospective investor or available in their jurisdiction. Copyright in this podcast is owned by Barings. Information in this podcast may be used for your own personal use, but may not be altered, reproduced or distributed without Barings’ consent. 25-4265633

In the latest episode of Streaming Income, Head of Portfolio Finance, Dadong Yan helps to define and de-mystify the growing opportunity in Portfolio Finance. Episode Segments: (03:04) – Defining portfolio finance (04:23) – Where NAV lending fits in (06:11) – Core portfolio finance: Private credit, RE debt, secondaries & GP financing (12:45) – The risk-return spectrum of portfolio finance strategies (17:53) – How the portfolio finance asset class has developed over time (19:50) – Accessing portfolio finance (22:55) – Generating alpha & incremental yields vs. IG asset classes (28:41) – Where investors are bucketing portfolio finance (30:44) – How origination works in the asset class (33:37) – Understanding the competitive landscape in portfolio finance (38:24) – Final thoughts Viewpoints papers mentioned in the conversation: Surge of the Secondaries: https://www.barings.com/guest/perspectives/viewpoints/surge-of-the-secondaries-financing-growth-in-an-undercapitalized-industry Missing a $100+ Billion Annual Opportunity?: https://www.barings.com/guest/perspectives/viewpoints/portfolio-finance-missing-a-100-billion-annual-opportunity IMPORTANT INFORMATION Any forecasts in this podcast are based upon Barings’ opinion of the market at the date of preparation and are subject to change without notice, dependent upon many factors. Any prediction, projection or forecast is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance. Investment involves risk. The value of any investments and any income generated may go down as well as up and is not guaranteed. PAST PERFORMANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS. Any examples set forth in this podcast are provided for illustrative purposes only and are not indicative of any future investment results or investments. The composition, size of, and risks associated with an investment may differ substantially from any examples set forth in this podcast. No representation is made that an investment will be profitable or will not incur losses. Barings is the brand name for the worldwide asset management and associated businesses of Barings LLC and its global affiliates. Barings Securities LLC, Barings (U.K.) Limited, Barings Global Advisers Limited, Barings Australia Pty Ltd, Barings Japan Limited, Barings Real Estate Advisers Europe Finance LLP, BREAE AIFM LLP, Baring Asset Management Limited, Baring International Investment Limited, Baring Fund Managers Limited, Baring International Fund Managers (Ireland) Limited, Baring Asset Management (Asia) Limited, Baring SICE (Taiwan) Limited, Baring Asset Management Switzerland Sarl, and Baring Asset Management Korea Limited each are affiliated financial service companies owned by Barings LLC (each, individually, an “Affiliate”). NO OFFER: The podcast is for informational purposes only and is not an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or service in any jurisdiction. The material herein was prepared without any consideration of the investment objectives, financial situation or particular needs of anyone who may receive it. This podcast is not, and must not be treated as, investment advice, an investment recommendation, investment research, or a recommendation about the suitability or appropriateness of any security, commodity, investment, or particular investment strategy. Unless otherwise mentioned, the views contained in this podcast are those of Barings and are subject to change without notice. Individual portfolio management teams may hold different views and may make different investment decisions for different clients. Parts of this podcast may be based on information received from sources we believe to be reliable. Although every effort is taken to ensure that the information contained in this podcast is accurate, Barings makes no representation or warranty, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, completeness or adequacy of the information Any service, security, investment or product outlined in this podcast may not be suitable for a prospective investor or available in their jurisdiction. Copyright in this podcast is owned by Barings. Information in this podcast may be used for your own personal use, but may not be altered, reproduced or distributed without Barings’ consent. 24-4105175

This episode is part of our 2025 Outlook series. Here our experts in private credit – across the U.S., Europe, and Asia Pacific – discuss and debate the prospects for middle market direct lending in the year ahead. Episode Segments: (02:43) – Misconceptions about direct lending (04:30) – The impact of Trump’s victory on private credit markets (07:20) – The outlook for M&A activity across the globe (11:40) – The health of middle market issuers in a higher-for-longer environment (17:26) – Capital solutions opportunities outside of traditional middle market direct lending (18:50) – Private equity sponsor trends heading into 2025 (22:28) – What pricing, terms, structures and documentation look like today globally (26:30) – Understanding the competitive backdrop and the impact of new entrants (31:21) – A conservative approach to APAC private credit (33:06) – Predictions (or Non-Predictions?) for 2025 Certain statements about Barings LLC made by the participants herein may be deemed to be “testimonials” or “endorsements” as those terms are defined in rule 206(4)-1 under the Investment Advisers Act of 1940, as amended. Participants were not compensated in connection with their participation in this program, although in certain cases they are investors in Barings LLC sponsored vehicles. These investments subject such participants to potential conflicts of interest in making the statements herein. IMPORTANT INFORMATION Any forecasts in this podcast are based upon Barings’ opinion of the market at the date of preparation and are subject to change without notice, dependent upon many factors. Any prediction, projection or forecast is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance. Investment involves risk. The value of any investments and any income generated may go down as well as up and is not guaranteed. PAST PERFORMANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS. Any examples set forth in this podcast are provided for illustrative purposes only and are not indicative of any future investment results or investments. The composition, size of, and risks associated with an investment may differ substantially from any examples set forth in this podcast. No representation is made that an investment will be profitable or will not incur losses. Barings is the brand name for the worldwide asset management and associated businesses of Barings LLC and its global affiliates. Barings Securities LLC, Barings (U.K.) Limited, Barings Global Advisers Limited, Barings Australia Pty Ltd, Barings Japan Limited, Barings Real Estate Advisers Europe Finance LLP, BREAE AIFM LLP, Baring Asset Management Limited, Baring International Investment Limited, Baring Fund Managers Limited, Baring International Fund Managers (Ireland) Limited, Baring Asset Management (Asia) Limited, Baring SICE (Taiwan) Limited, Baring Asset Management Switzerland Sarl, and Baring Asset Management Korea Limited each are affiliated financial service companies owned by Barings LLC (each, individually, an “Affiliate”). NO OFFER: The podcast is for informational purposes only and is not an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or service in any jurisdiction. The material herein was prepared without any consideration of the investment objectives, financial situation or particular needs of anyone who may receive it. This podcast is not, and must not be treated as, investment advice, an investment recommendation, investment research, or a recommendation about the suitability or appropriateness of any security, commodity, investment, or particular investment strategy. Unless otherwise mentioned, the views contained in this podcast are those of Barings and are subject to change without notice. Individual portfolio management teams may hold different views and may make different investment decisions for different clients. Parts of this podcast may be based on information received from sources we believe to be reliable. Although every effort is taken to ensure that the information contained in this podcast is accurate, Barings makes no representation or warranty, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, completeness or adequacy of the information Any service, security, investment or product outlined in this podcast may not be suitable for a prospective investor or available in their jurisdiction. Copyright in this podcast is owned by Barings. Information in this podcast may be used for your own personal use, but may not be altered, reproduced or distributed without Barings’ consent. 24-4056498

Barings Chairman & CEO, Mike Freno joined Ted Seides, Host of Capital Allocators, on-stage at Barings 360 for a wide-ranging conversation on the evolving asset management landscape and how Mike and the Barings team are positioning for growth ahead. Episode Segments: (01:16) – The benefits of being owned by a 175-year-old mutual insurance company (04:47) – Distinguishing between alternative asset manager business models (07:56) – How the Barings team has built a portfolio of capabilities to best serve its clients (11:28) – How Mike and team have integrated multiple acquisitions (14:21) – Overcoming the challenges of managing a global business (16:46) – The macro environment, structural shifts in asset management & the role of banks (19:58) – How changing interest rates impact the opportunity set (21:29) – Opportunities across public & private fixed income, real assets & capital solutions (24:20) – Why having a broad presence across public and private markets is critical (26:53) – How private credit will perform through the next cycle (29:15) – The outlook for commercial real estate (32:21) – Innovating in credit markets and incubating new strategies (35:02) – Confident humility and understanding where you can be great (37:16) – Where Mike & team are steering Barings for the next 5+ years (39:31) – Strategies and asset classes that Mike is currently excited about IMPORTANT INFORMATION Any forecasts in this podcast are based upon Barings’ opinion of the market at the date of preparation and are subject to change without notice, dependent upon many factors. Any prediction, projection or forecast is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance. Investment involves risk. The value of any investments and any income generated may go down as well as up and is not guaranteed. PAST PERFORMANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS. Any examples set forth in this podcast are provided for illustrative purposes only and are not indicative of any future investment results or investments. The composition, size of, and risks associated with an investment may differ substantially from any examples set forth in this podcast. No representation is made that an investment will be profitable or will not incur losses. Barings is the brand name for the worldwide asset management and associated businesses of Barings LLC and its global affiliates. Barings Securities LLC, Barings (U.K.) Limited, Barings Global Advisers Limited, Barings Australia Pty Ltd, Barings Japan Limited, Barings Real Estate Advisers Europe Finance LLP, BREAE AIFM LLP, Baring Asset Management Limited, Baring International Investment Limited, Baring Fund Managers Limited, Baring International Fund Managers (Ireland) Limited, Baring Asset Management (Asia) Limited, Baring SICE (Taiwan) Limited, Baring Asset Management Switzerland Sarl, and Baring Asset Management Korea Limited each are affiliated financial service companies owned by Barings LLC (each, individually, an “Affiliate”). NO OFFER: The podcast is for informational purposes only and is not an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or service in any jurisdiction. The material herein was prepared without any consideration of the investment objectives, financial situation or particular needs of anyone who may receive it. This podcast is not, and must not be treated as, investment advice, an investment recommendation, investment research, or a recommendation about the suitability or appropriateness of any security, commodity, investment, or particular investment strategy. Unless otherwise mentioned, the views contained in this podcast are those of Barings and are subject to change without notice. Individual portfolio management teams may hold different views and may make different investment decisions for different clients. Parts of this podcast may be based on information received from sources we believe to be reliable. Although every effort is taken to ensure that the information contained in this podcast is accurate, Barings makes no representation or warranty, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, completeness or adequacy of the information Any service, security, investment or product outlined in this podcast may not be suitable for a prospective investor or available in their jurisdiction. Copyright in this podcast is owned by Barings. Information in this podcast may be used for your own personal use, but may not be altered, reproduced or distributed without Barings’ consent. 24-4054346

Maureen Joyce, who leads U.S. real estate equity at Barings, teams up with Nick Pink, head of European real estate equity. They dissect the evolving landscape of global real estate as 2025 approaches. Joyce shares insights on sustainability and the impact of economic policies on U.S. markets. Pink dives into European trends, interest rates, and investment strategies. The duo discusses common misconceptions, predictions for 2025, and the implications of political events on market dynamics, making for a compelling conversation.

This episode is part of our 2025 Outlook series. Here, our experts across high yield, emerging markets debt, and investment grade credit share how they are navigating today's shifting landscape and where they expect opportunities and risks to emerge in the year ahead. Episode Segments: (2:50)—What does a Trump victory mean for fixed income? (8:04)—Do current prices reflect the uncertainty in the market? (14:09)—Are the U.S. and Europe headed in different directions, and what are the implications of that? (18:17)—How big of a risk are high yield maturity walls? (20:08)—Is now a good time for EM debt? (28:26)—What feels different about this cycle compared to past cycles? (33:52)—What are your best ideas for 2025? IMPORTANT INFORMATION Any forecasts in this podcast are based upon Barings’ opinion of the market at the date of preparation and are subject to change without notice, dependent upon many factors. Any prediction, projection or forecast is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance. Investment involves risk. The value of any investments and any income generated may go down as well as up and is not guaranteed. PAST PERFORMANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS. Any examples set forth in this podcast are provided for illustrative purposes only and are not indicative of any future investment results or investments. The composition, size of, and risks associated with an investment may differ substantially from any examples set forth in this podcast. No representation is made that an investment will be profitable or will not incur losses. Barings is the brand name for the worldwide asset management and associated businesses of Barings LLC and its global affiliates. Barings Securities LLC, Barings (U.K.) Limited, Barings Global Advisers Limited, Barings Australia Pty Ltd, Barings Japan Limited, Barings Real Estate Advisers Europe Finance LLP, BREAE AIFM LLP, Baring Asset Management Limited, Baring International Investment Limited, Baring Fund Managers Limited, Baring International Fund Managers (Ireland) Limited, Baring Asset Management (Asia) Limited, Baring SICE (Taiwan) Limited, Baring Asset Management Switzerland Sarl, and Baring Asset Management Korea Limited each are affiliated financial service companies owned by Barings LLC (each, individually, an “Affiliate”). NO OFFER: The podcast is for informational purposes only and is not an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or service in any jurisdiction. The material herein was prepared without any consideration of the investment objectives, financial situation or particular needs of anyone who may receive it. This podcast is not, and must not be treated as, investment advice, an investment recommendation, investment research, or a recommendation about the suitability or appropriateness of any security, commodity, investment, or particular investment strategy. Unless otherwise mentioned, the views contained in this podcast are those of Barings and are subject to change without notice. Individual portfolio management teams may hold different views and may make different investment decisions for different clients. Parts of this podcast may be based on information received from sources we believe to be reliable. Although every effort is taken to ensure that the information contained in this podcast is accurate, Barings makes no representation or warranty, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, completeness or adequacy of the information Any service, security, investment or product outlined in this podcast may not be suitable for a prospective investor or available in their jurisdiction. Copyright in this podcast is owned by Barings. Information in this podcast may be used for your own personal use, but may not be altered, reproduced or distributed without Barings’ consent. 24-4019315

Mina Pacheco Nazemi, Head of Diversified Alternative Equity, joins the podcast to explain how she and her team are finding attractive opportunities to “build to core” in assets like battery storage and data centers. Episode Segments: (01:58) – Mina’s role at Barings (02:43) – The common attractions of infra equity asset types (06:12) – Why “infrastructure 2.0” offers the potential for higher returns (11:24) – The opportunity from the concentrated capital raising in infrastructure (18:28) – The case for building smaller, modular, distributed assets (26:43) – The “buy vs. build” multiple arbitrage (28:25) – Sourcing deals in the lower and middle part of the market (32:33) – Misconceptions & where investor demand is coming from IMPORTANT INFORMATION Any forecasts in this podcast are based upon Barings’ opinion of the market at the date of preparation and are subject to change without notice, dependent upon many factors. Any prediction, projection or forecast is not necessarily indicative of the future or likely performance. Investment involves risk. The value of any investments and any income generated may go down as well as up and is not guaranteed. PAST PERFORMANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY INDICATIVE OF FUTURE RESULTS. Any examples set forth in this podcast are provided for illustrative purposes only and are not indicative of any future investment results or investments. The composition, size of, and risks associated with an investment may differ substantially from any examples set forth in this podcast. No representation is made that an investment will be profitable or will not incur losses. Barings is the brand name for the worldwide asset management and associated businesses of Barings LLC and its global affiliates. Barings Securities LLC, Barings (U.K.) Limited, Barings Global Advisers Limited, Barings Australia Pty Ltd, Barings Japan Limited, Barings Real Estate Advisers Europe Finance LLP, BREAE AIFM LLP, Baring Asset Management Limited, Baring International Investment Limited, Baring Fund Managers Limited, Baring International Fund Managers (Ireland) Limited, Baring Asset Management (Asia) Limited, Baring SICE (Taiwan) Limited, Baring Asset Management Switzerland Sarl, and Baring Asset Management Korea Limited each are affiliated financial service companies owned by Barings LLC (each, individually, an “Affiliate”). NO OFFER: The podcast is for informational purposes only and is not an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or service in any jurisdiction. The material herein was prepared without any consideration of the investment objectives, financial situation or particular needs of anyone who may receive it. This podcast is not, and must not be treated as, investment advice, an investment recommendation, investment research, or a recommendation about the suitability or appropriateness of any security, commodity, investment, or particular investment strategy. Unless otherwise mentioned, the views contained in this podcast are those of Barings and are subject to change without notice. Individual portfolio management teams may hold different views and may make different investment decisions for different clients. Parts of this podcast may be based on information received from sources we believe to be reliable. Although every effort is taken to ensure that the information contained in this podcast is accurate, Barings makes no representation or warranty, express or implied, regarding the accuracy, completeness or adequacy of the information Any service, security, investment or product outlined in this podcast may not be suitable for a prospective investor or available in their jurisdiction. Copyright in this podcast is owned by Barings. Information in this podcast may be used for your own personal use, but may not be altered, reproduced or distributed without Barings’ consent. 24-4009754

David Mihalick, Head of Private Assets at Barings with over 20 years in leveraged finance, and Martin Horne, Head of Public Assets, dive into the fascinating convergence of public and private credit markets. They discuss what drives this blurring of lines and its implications for asset managers and investors. The duo explores how economic cycles impact market choices and the benefits of a mixed investment strategy. They also touch on the critical evolution needed for asset managers to keep pace with changing dynamics and investor expectations.