Peaceful Exit

Suzanne O’Brien is founder and CEO of the Doulagivers Institute and author of the book “The Good Death.” She has trained thousands of people around the world in end-of-life care, with a mission to make death literacy accessible to all. She tells Sarah why she believes that dying is not just a medical event, but a sacred transition — one that can be met with preparation, presence, and even peace. In this conversation, Suzanne also shares what she has learned from decades at the bedside of dying people, how to diminish fear of the natural dying process, and why granny pods matter now more than ever.For more information on Suzanne's work and The Doulagivers Institute, please visit https://doulagivers.com/

Carla Fernandez, author of the book "Renegade Grief," was just 21 years old when her father José died. She felt ill-equipped to handle her grief alone, so she started reaching out to friends. What began as a simple potluck dinner with other young adults who'd also lost parents grew into The Dinner Party, a nationwide movement with tables in over a hundred cities. At these gatherings, grievers share food, stories, and the complicated reality of loss. In this episode, Carla talks to Sarah about the power of normalizing these conversations, the rituals that help us continue bonds with those we love, and why tending to our grief can be a renegade act.For more information on The Dinner Party and Carla's work, please visit www.thedinnerparty.org or www.carlafernandez.co

Child life specialist Jessica Correnti helps kids and families navigate loss, change, and big life transitions. In this episode, she tells Sarah why children often experience grief in short emotional "bursts"; why they process grief best through play; and why it's best to talk to kids honestly about death and dying. Jessica also shares  her deeply personal story of pregnancy loss, and how that experience inspired her books, "Forever Connected" and "The ABCs of Grief" series.To learn more about Jessica's work, please visit https://www.kidsgriefsupport.com/

Animal chaplain Kaleel Sakakeeny was overwhelmed by grief after the death of his cat Kyro. And even though pet loss is an incredibly common experience, Kaleel felt like he had nowhere to turn. So, he took matters into his own hands: Kaleel became an animal chaplain, an ordained pastor, and a pet loss and bereavement counselor. He also founded the nonprofit Animal Talks, which supports people who've lost a pet, and helps others become certified to provide counseling. Kaleel tells Sarah why the death of a pet can cut so deeply, and what we really grieve when we mourn our animal companions. For more information about Kaleel's work, please visit www.animaltalksinc.com

Poet Jenny George was always drawn to writing about death and dying, even before she lost her wife to ovarian cancer. In her latest collection of poems, "After Image," Jenny uses the lens of grief to describe caring for and losing her sweetheart, and to explore what it means to live in the shadow of her death. Jenny tells Sarah about the challenges of writing about dying, and also why her grief sometimes makes her feel like "an old baby."

Mary Roach is a New York Times bestselling author and acclaimed science writer who once thought science was boring. She has traveled the world and written fascinating, humorous books about the human body and its curiosities. Today she discusses three of them with Sarah: "Stiff," "Six Feet Over," and her latest, "Replaceable You." They also talk about how our culture got so squeamish about dead bodies, and where we might go after we die. Learn more about Mary Roach and her wonderful books at https://www.maryroach.net/For more information and to become an organ donor, please visit https://www.organdonor.gov/

Join Basil Twist, a visionary puppeteer, as he discusses how puppetry explores life, death, and presence. Joél Simone, a death educator, delves into culturally aware death care and the significance of memory pictures. Poet Danusha Laméris shares a poignant poem about her son, reflecting on grief and presence. Oliver Burkeman, an author, emphasizes how accepting our mortality can shape our use of time, urging us to prioritize meaningful moments over endless productivity. Together, they offer profound insights into life, loss, and the importance of memory.

In this engaging conversation, Lisa Keefauver, a social worker and grief activist, shares her profound insights on navigating grief. She uses scuba diving as a metaphor for life, emphasizing the importance of asking for help. Lisa challenges myths about linear grief, highlighting its unpredictability and complexity. She discusses how grief is not just an emotion but a narrative we rewrite through various experiences. Lisa's activism seeks to reshape cultural understandings around grief, advocating for presence and empathy as essential forms of support.

Psychologist Dr. Lucy Hone studies resilience, a topic that hit especially close to home when her 12-year old daughter Abi and two friends were killed in a car crash in 2014. She tells Sarah how her close knowledge of resilience informed her grieving, why humans are hardwired to cope, and what role her grief over Abi plays in her life now. Lucy also shares practical tips for anyone who is grieving from her first book, "Resilient Grieving," and previews her new book about living losses, called "How Will I Ever Get Through This?," which will be out in 2026. For more information about Lucy Hone, please visit www.drlucyhone.com

Palliative care physician Dr. BJ Miller survived a near-death experience and lost three limbs at just 19 years old. In this intimate conversation, he tells Sarah how confronting mortality reshaped his purpose, and opened his heart to awe, humor, creativity, and love. BJ has been on a mission to redefine end-of-life care through his work at Mettle Health and his book, "A Beginner's Guide to the End." He invites you to challenge the fear and silence around death, and imagine a better way to live — and die.