

AI DevOps Podcast
Jeffrey Palermo
The AI DevOps Podcast is a show for those shipping software using AI, .NET, Azure, and DevOps. Each show brings you hard-hitting interviews with industry experts, innovating better methods, and sharing success stories. Sponsoring the podcast is Clear Measure, a software architecture and engineering firm that implements AI to empower software teams to establish quality, achieve stability, and increase speed. Hosted by Chief Architect, Jeffrey Palermo.
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Nov 17, 2025 • 33min
Andrew Lock: Testing Frameworks - Episode 376
Andrew Lock is a staff software engineer at Datadog and educator whose contributions to the .NET ecosystem have shaped how developers approach modern web applications. Located in the UK, Andrew is a Microsoft MVP, Author of ASP.NET Core in Action, and has an active blog all about his experience working with .NET and ASP.NET Core. Topics of Discussion: [2:56] Andrew talks about appreciating the joy of coding and the minutiae of figuring out the correct way to do things. [3:28] Andrew discusses the various testing frameworks available for .NET, including MS Test, NUnit, XUnit, and TUnit. He explains the history and evolution of these frameworks, noting that XUnit has become the de facto default version. [7:41] Andrew explains his interest in TUnit, a newer testing library that addresses some of the limitations of XUnit. [9:29] TUnit is designed to be fast, supporting parallel execution and native AOT for better performance. [12:16] Is there a way to radically speed up the execution of big test suites? [15:39] Andrew explains the importance of each type of test in providing confidence that the software works as intended. [21:26] Andrew notes that full system tests can provide strong confidence by exercising critical pathways in the application. [29:44] Andrew mentions that tools like Octopus Deploy can be used to automate smoke tests as part of the deployment process. [30:26] Advice to new developers regarding automated testing, and the importance of writing code that is easy to test, and thinking about testing when writing code. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Andrew Lock "Andrew Lock: Containers in .NET8 - Ep 281" "Andrew Lock: Web Applications in .NET6 - Ep 198" "Updates to Docker images in .NET8" Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Nov 10, 2025 • 36min
Ben Day: SlideSpeaker.AI - Episode 375
Ben Day, seasoned software consultant and creator of SlideSpeaker.ai, blends Agile coaching with hands-on engineering. He recounts how music shaped his coding empathy. He explains SlideSpeaker’s screenshot-to-MP4 workflow, Azure container scaling, voice cloning options, and using the tool for training, compliance, and beginner C# videos.

Nov 3, 2025 • 44min
Josh Arzt: 23 Years of .NET - Episode 374
Josh Arzt is a Senior Solutions Architect with 25+ years of experience modernizing systems, solving complex problems, and delivering scalable cloud solutions. He is an expert in software engineering, DevSecOps, serverless architectures, and cloud migrations. He is a certified professional with a strong publication record in IT and applied mathematics. His professional career began in the early 2000s, when he discovered .NET and all it had to offer in its early days. Using that framework, paired with his maturation in software architecture, helped shape how he approaches challenges — with curiosity, precision, and a focus on making technology practical and reliable. Along the way, he's led teams, modernized systems, written his own software in performance metrics, and helped organizations adapt to change, but what he values most is working with people: mentoring engineers, collaborating across disciplines, and finding ways to connect technical work to real human impact. He brings both experience and perspective — the ability to see the big picture while never losing sight of the craft that drew him to this field in the first place. Josh is also a 2025-2026 board election candidate for .NET Foundation. Topics of Discussion: [2:40] Josh talks about the .NET Foundation and its importance. [7:08] A self-described dorky child, Josh recounts his early days in IT, starting with building computers as a child. [9:33] Josh describes his transition from IT support to software development, driven by his interest in problem-solving. [15:55] Josh discusses the evolution of .NET, from its early days to the current state. [30:40] The importance of choosing the right tool for the job, regardless of the programming language. [32:42] The challenges of managing tech debt and the importance of sustainability in software development. [37:28] Josh shares his positive experiences with the .NET community and the support they provide. [38:08] How thoughtful and consistent feedback shapes the evolution of the .NET ecosystem. [40:02] Continuous learning and adaptation in the field of software development. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Joshua Arzt LinkedIn Technical Babble — XCalibur Systems Xcalibur37 GitHub User Xcalibur Stack Overflow Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Oct 27, 2025 • 39min
Lee Brownhill: The Data Community - Episode 373
Lee Brownhill, a Principal Cloud DBA with rich experience in SQL Server, shares insights from his IT journey. He highlights common SQL anti-patterns, including the notorious 'row by agonizing row' approach. Lee discusses his triage method for addressing performance issues using a thorough checklist, alongside the importance of normalization for optimal database design. He also explores Azure SQL options and cost management strategies, asserting that adopting best practices in database management can lead to significant improvements.

Oct 20, 2025 • 35min
Aaron Palermo: Cyber Security and Systems Engineering with AI-Driven Development - Episode 372
Aaron Palermo is a Senior Solutions Architect, DevOps engineer, and all-around cybersecurity expert. He works for a global cybersecurity services company, Appgate. Aaron was last on the show in episode 196, sharing about Zero Trust Networking. Topics of Discussion: [3:20] Aaron shares his excitement for learning new things and solving innovative challenges, which keep him engaged in the field. [3:30] Aaron explains his current role at Appgate, a zero-trust network access company. [4:25] The importance of direct-routed solutions for federal customers who want to own and manage their infrastructure. [6:27] Aaron recounts how he applied insights from previous ADP guests Scott Hunter, Burke Holland, and Greg Leonardo. [7:56] He explains the process of querying the Appgate API with natural language and the insights gained from the AI agent's code generation. [8:24] Testing an Integration in the Lab. [11:05] Jeffrey and Aaron discuss the benefits of using open-source tools and the flexibility of Proxmox for network testing. [14:47] VS Code and Copilot Integration, and what's next. [19:39] Aaron introduces n8n.io as a low or no-code automation platform that integrates with AI agents and APIs for workflow orchestration. [21:15] Integrating simple automation examples, such as weather-based watering systems and data-driven decisions without sensors. [28:09] OpenWRT's flexibility and customization. [30:01] What are some of the scenarios where a software-defined network might be the right tool? [33:26] Know what you want, and write from a purpose. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Ep 196 with Aaron Palermo n8n AppGate Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Oct 13, 2025 • 35min
Software Leadership with Jonathan "J." Tower - Episode 371
Jonathan "J." Tower, a Microsoft MVP and founder of Trailhead Technology Partners, shares his insights on creative software development and leadership. He emphasizes that consulting allows him to blend technology with team management. J. discusses the importance of urgency in engineers, the impact of AI as a coding copilot, and common pitfalls in legacy code like over-engineering. He also reflects on modern development practices, including using AI for legacy migrations and the evolution from classic ASP.

Oct 6, 2025 • 28min
Peter Ritchie: .NET Foundation - Episode 370
Peter Ritchie, a veteran software architect with over 35 years in tech, dives into the .NET Foundation's role in connecting Microsoft with the open-source community. He shares insights on the upcoming .NET 10 and Visual Studio 2026 releases, emphasizing stability and backward compatibility. The conversation explores optimal organization of business logic, the significance of mentorship in coding, and crafting clear user stories. Ritchie also discusses the implications of AI in development, highlighting the importance of context to enhance team collaboration.

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Sep 29, 2025 • 49min
Greg Leonardo: Azure and AI - Episode 369
Greg Leonardo, a Principal Cloud Architect and Microsoft Azure MVP, dives into the responsible use of AI and its evolving role in cloud technology. He explains treating AI as 'virtual employees' and discusses the importance of understanding AI's limitations. Greg shares insights from testing Microsoft 365 Copilot and ChatGPT Enterprise, emphasizing the value of well-structured prompts. They also explore how AI enhances efficiency in cloud workflows, while acknowledging its challenges in generating complex architectural diagrams and the necessity of clear guidance for optimal results.

Sep 22, 2025 • 33min
John Bristowe: The Latest from Octopus Deploy - Episode 368
John Bristowe brings over 20 years of experience in technology to his role as Community Director at Octopus Deploy. His career includes time at Progress and Microsoft, where he developed his skills in management and technology. Known for a straightforward and engaging style, John often speaks at industry conferences, sharing practical tips and insights. John is a HashiCorp Ambassador and part of the Progress Champions program. He enjoys creating content such as articles, webinars, and podcasts, aiming to help others in the tech community. In his free time, John likes to stay informed about the latest tech developments and shares his learning with an online audience. His approach is always about sharing knowledge and learning together. Topics of Discussion: [2:47] John shares his career journey, starting at Microsoft in 2005, and his involvement in developer evangelism. [4:03] The evolution of Octopus Deploy, from an open-source project to a commercial tool. [5:47] The importance of setting up deployment pipelines and the challenges of deploying on weekends due to brittle pipelines. [6:36] Check out the Octopus Deploy roadmap for updates on new features and innovations. [9:04] The potential of AI in the deployment space and the importance of maintaining a balance between AI and human involvement. [10:46] More about Codefresh. [11:23] The integration of AI capabilities in Octopus Deploy, including the AI assistant. [15:17] Designer Experience vs. Text-Based Workflows. [24:43] Common use cases for runbooks, including server maintenance, database management, and cost management in Kubernetes. [26:22] The importance of automated health checks and runbooks for ensuring reliable and cost-effective deployments. [29:58] Platform Hub and Enterprise Scalability. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Octopus Deploy Codefresh Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

Sep 15, 2025 • 46min
Mads Kristensen: Visual Studio 2026 - Episode 367
Mads is a Principal Product Manager on the Visual Studio team at Microsoft, where he champions developer productivity, performance, and extensibility. With a deep passion for streamlining the development experience, Mads has created dozens of widely used Visual Studio extensions — including Web Essentials, File Nesting, and Markdown Editor v2 — and maintains the Extensibility Essentials toolkit to empower other developers to build better tools. Mads brings over a decade of experience in web development on the Microsoft platform. He is also the founder of SchemaStore.org and a home automation enthusiast. Known for his engaging presentations and hands-on insights, Mads is a frequent speaker at developer conferences worldwide. He lives in the Pacific Northwest and his mission is simple: to make Visual Studio the most delightful development environment on the planet. Topics of Discussion: [2:38] More about Mads' career journey at Microsoft. [5:14] The new and improved Visual Studio. [7:44] Backwards compatibility is a key feature — .NET solutions will still work across different Visual Studio versions. [8:55] How Microsoft's strategy differentiates between Visual Studio and VS Code. [10:42] Visual Studio is the premier development environment for .NET and C# on Windows, offering the most comprehensive and optimized experience. While VS Code can handle .NET development, it's not as feature-rich or performant as the full Visual Studio. [12:58] Visual Studio has moved to a monthly release cadence to be more competitive with VS Code's frequent updates. [13:48] Deep AI integration in Visual Studio allows for context-aware assistance, including a new profiler agent that can help optimize code performance. [23:53] Compilation performance is improved in Visual Studio 2026. [26:35] The new profiler agent can be invoked through Copilot chat, running benchmarks and suggesting performance improvements scientifically. [30:30] Developers can create custom MCP servers to integrate private systems and databases with AI tools using a project template. [35:39] The AI coding agent in Visual Studio can work autonomously or with developer supervision, creating pull requests or working alongside the developer. [39:11] Visual Studio's Copilot can be used as a companion to bounce ideas off, helping with architectural decisions and new feature explorations. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Mads Kristensen on LinkedIn @mkristensen on X Mads Kristensen JSON Schema Store Visual Studio Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.


