

Real World Behavioural Science
Paul Chadwick and Tiago Moutela
Welcome to the Real World Behavioural Science (RWBS) podcast, where we look at how behavioural and social sciences are being used in the real world. We are thrilled to announce the relaunch of the BSPHN Real World Behavioural Science Podcast! After a hiatus, we are returning with fresh energy, a new hosting duo, and a mission to bring you the latest thinking in applied behavioural science.The RWBS podcast is created by the Behavioural Science and Public Health Network (www.BSPHN.org.uk) and is aimed at people working in public health, academia and industry, who have an interest in how behavioural science is being used to improve health and wellbeing.Each month, Dr Paul Chadwick (CEO of the BSPHN) and Dr Tiago Moutela (Associate Director at Claremont), interview professionals from the worlds of public health, academia and industry.
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Mar 27, 2020 • 45min
CORONAVIRUS Mini-Series #4 (26th March 20) Staying Healthy on Lock-Down; The Governments response and Coming together - Prof. Susan Michie & Prof. Jim McManus
Send us Fan MailThe fourth episode in this mini-series, recorded on 26th March 20, covers some big topics, including:Individual strategies to staying physically and mentally healthy during this challenging period of staying at homeThe governments response to date and what to expect in the futureHow we can come together as a society to care for each other and how this should continue after the immediate crisis is over.Stuart King, Professor Susan Michie and Professor Jim McManus discuss these issues in detail in this slightly longer episode than the previous ones. Unfortunately we lose Jim after just a couple of questions as he had technical difficulties as home. We are all dealing with small challenges like this as we adjust to home working, and in this case, remote recording.However, Jim still provides valuable insight in the beginning and Susan continues to provide valuable and interesting ideas for people; insight into the Government response to date and in the future; and some personal anecdotes that help contextualise how to use each moment and challenge as an opportunity to create healthy habits.Please send questions or comments to @stu_king_hh on twitter, add me on Linked In or email me at stuartking@beezeebodies.co.uk. If there are people you want to hear from or questions you want us to answer then let me know.Stay healthy; stay active; stay connected; but most of all - Stay Home!

Mar 17, 2020 • 20min
CORONAVIRUS Mini-Series #3 Self-Isolation - Prof. Susan Michie & Prof. Jim McManus
Send us Fan MailThe third episode in the coronavirus mini-series deals with the difficulties and realities of self-isolation.Stuart King, Professor Susan Michie and Professor Jim McManus discuss the behavioural reasons behind panic buying and other crowd behaviours, the need to sensibly and realistically plan for isolation, including preparing for how we might feel and react. Isolation is a time when we need to think about both our mental and physical health, but also that of others. They explore what people can do to create strategies to help keep in good health and look after others who are vulnerable.The conversation also touches upon the impact of isolation on income, here is a link to Money Saving Expert article on financial support.

Mar 11, 2020 • 21min
CORONAVIRUS Mini-Series #2 - Prof. Susan Michie & Prof. Jim McManus
Send us Fan MailRecorded 11th March 2020Jim McManus and Susan Michie join host, Stuart King, for another discussion on using behavioural science to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Susan and Jim cover the importance of not just hand washing, but using tissues and cleaning surfaces as the virus is spread not just through physical contact, but through the air too.The discussion also covers the impact of giving feedback to others to reinforce those preventative behaviours, as well as how we need to have a population mindset. Although you might not be at risk, you may be in contact with those who are. What can we do to protect those vulnerable people directly, and prevent over-stretching of the health services.Mini-Series #3 has been recorded and will be released next week so stay tuned for more practical, evidence-based advice.Susan Michie's BMJ article on avoiding shaking hands:https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/03/10/should-we-wave-goodbye-to-the-handshake/Susan Michie's BMJ article on behavioural strategies to prevent spread: https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/03/03/behavioural-strategies-for-reducing-covid-19-transmission-in-the-general-population/

Mar 5, 2020 • 21min
CORONAVIRUS Mini-Series #1 - Prof. Susan Michie & Prof. Jim McManus
Send us Fan MailIn this Real World Behavioural Science special, Susan, Jim and I discuss how behavioural science can be used to help prevent the spread of COVID19 (Coronavirus). Susan shares some of the insights from her recently published BMJ blog on using COM B to provide clear, effective and simple strategies to use to prevent the spread of infection. Jim provides some food for thought about using social psychology to try to slow the rate of transmission.If you are a professional (or anyone else for that matter!), this podcast contains some helpful tips that could save lives. Big thank you to Susan and Jim for their time in sharing some great ideas on using behavioural sciences to limit the potential impact of Coronavirus.Useful links:Hertfordshire CC's Coronavirus social norms campaign toolkit (launching Friday 6th March): http://bit.ly/2PPFtimHertfordshire CC's Coronavirus FAQs: http://bit.ly/2TGlTq6 Prof Susan Michie's on behavioural science in the PH response: http://bit.ly/3ctIOxg Prof Susan Michie's on using COM-B to reduce transmission: http://bit.ly/3cDqba6

Mar 1, 2020 • 1h 5min
Dr Tim Chadborn (Head of Behavioural Insights & Evaluation Lead at Public Health England)
Send us Fan MailDr Tim Chadborn is Head of Behavioural Insights and Evaluation Lead for Public Health England. He shares just a small amount of his 25 years of experience working in health, across the Department of Health, Health Protection Agency and on a partnership between the Ministry of Health and Botswana.We chatted through Tim's vast experience from his work on the Family Nurse Partnership (https://fnp.nhs.uk/) supporting pregnant teenage women to his work in Botswana on HIV. This led us to discuss the diversity in paths that have led people to work in Behavioural Insights and how this allows them to work in a multidisciplinary capacity, across behavioural economics, sociology, health psychology, research and more.Tim shared some of the recent and current behaviour insights projects, such the marrying of large complex systems approaches and individual behavioural science, and the digital work on diet and obesity support and health checks e.g. letters, texts, videos in wait rooms and I.T. prompts.Finally Tim shared some ideas on how to get into behavioural science, including some of the latest strategies and guides to come out, such as the Behavioural and Social Science Strategy (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/improving-peoples-health-applying-behavioural-and-social-sciences).Also, PHE have just released another guide for local government called Achieving Behaviour Change available at: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/behaviour-change-guide-for-local-government-and-partners.Thanks for listening and please do share and leave feedback on the podcast!

Jan 29, 2020 • 57min
Kim Roberts (Chief Executive at HENRY - Health, Exercise and Nutrition for the Really Young)
Send us Fan MailKim Roberts has been HENRY’s Chief Executive since 2012. Her background is in family support and early development, which has given her both a profound insight into the impact of children’s very early experiences and a passionate determination to make sure that parents and practitioners get the quality of support they need to provide children with the best start in life.Our discussion starts with Kim sharing why, and how, HENRY is so important in preventing childhood obesity, rather than just tackling it. We talk through her experiences of working with families who have many struggles other than just health and lifestyle, and how helping parents with these realities is an important first step. Kim shares her views on where behavioural science is at in the industry, and how to ensure that professionals have not only the right skills, but also the right support, to deliver behaviour change in the most effective way.It's the last couple of weeks to sign up to the Behavioural Science Public Health Network Annual Conference on 12th February, which includes the latest strategy in behaviour science and how to make an impact in the industry. Tickets here: https://www.bsphn.org.uk/428/Annual-Conference-2020

Jan 13, 2020 • 56min
Professor Wendy Wills (Professor of Food and Public Health at University of Hertfordshire)
Send us Fan MailProfessor Wendy Wills is the Professor of Food and Public Health and Director of the Centre for Research in Public Health and Community Care at the School of Health and Social Work at the University of Hertfordshire. She works at the interface of social sciences and public health across food and eating practices, food safety, malnutrition, weight and obesity and health inequalities.Our conversation covers some real world examples of putting research into practice. We discuss Wendy's passion for using emergent ways of working, such as a whole systems approach, due to the importance of understanding the real complexities (and messiness!) of peoples lives. This work is often laborious, and we talk about how it can require a lot of bravery to take on. She uses examples of her work understanding food shopping, and how giving a space for young people to explore how they felt in their local area helped to better understand the influences on their health behaviours. You can read more on her UH portal page: http://researchprofiles.herts.ac.uk/portal/en/persons/wendy-wills(4a9fafa2-1abf-49c3-a84c-4d5b47ffb3e7).htmlThe BSPHN Annual Conference is on the 12th February and there are still tickets available: https://www.bsphn.org.uk/428/Annual-Conference-2020 Now we are back in the swing of the new year you can expect the next Podcast with Kim Roberts, Chief Executive of HENRY, up in the first week of February.

Dec 20, 2019 • 54min
Professor Mike Kelly, Part 2 (Institute of Public Health & University of Cambridge and ex-Director of NICE)
Send us Fan MailThis is the second instalment of the 2-part Christmas Special with Professor Mike Kelly. If you haven’t listened to part 1, why not do them in order!In part 1 of our discussion we covered Mike's own experience working in public health across a huge range of research topics from the prevention of non-communicable disease to end of life care, all of which have close links to behaviour change and other social matters.In part 2 we discuss the application of behaviour change theories in the real world. Mike speaks about creating NICE guidance and how evidence is, sometimes incorrectly, used when creating interventions. We also cover the issue of inequalities and how he personally uses behavioural science in his everyday life. Enjoy the show and whilst listening, why not go to the BSPHN.org.uk to book your place at the 2020 Annual conference, taking place on 12th February? Finally, we at the BSPHN hope you have an amazing Christmas 🎄and New Year 📅

Dec 17, 2019 • 1h 1min
Professor Mike Kelly, Part 1 (Institute of Public Health & University of Cambridge and ex-Director or NICE)
Send us Fan MailThis Christmas Special (Part 1) features Professor Mike Kelly, who is Senior Visiting Fellow in the Department of Public Health and Primary Care at the Institute of Public Health and a member of St John's College at the University of Cambridge. Mike is the Ex Director of NICE, where he spent over 10 years leading the organisation to support people working in the public health industry to use evidence-based methodologies.In part one of our discussion we cover Mike's experience working in public health across a huge range of research topics from the prevention of non-communicable disease to end of life care, all of which have close links to behaviour change and other social matters. Through his work at NICE he came across some criticism for being part of a 'nanny state' and trying to do more than simply advise people on how to live healthily. Mike takes us through how science and advice can face stumbling blocks when being recommended to local authorities and even individuals, as well as how the approach to public health has moved from a macro or social scale (environment) to a much more micro scale (individual medications etc), and how this might well be shifting back to a realisation that 'we are the way we live'.Finally, Mike discusses the problems we face translating ideas and languages between sociology, biology and behavioural science, and how we then implement those ideas.Part two will be out Friday 20th December as a Christmas treat, and will unpick Mike's applications of behavioural science, including nudge theory and choice architecture.

Nov 29, 2019 • 1h 2min
Dr Justin Varney (Director of Public Health at Birmingham City Council)
Send us Fan MailThis episode features Dr Justin Varney. who is Director of Public Health for Birmingham City Council. An interesting fact about this episode is that despite being in the beautiful City Council Building in Birmingham, we recorded this in the private toilet of the Chief Executive, due to the ceilings in all other rooms being too high, even if they are beautiful! You may also hear the Birmingham seagulls in the background if you listen carefully!Justin is responsible for protecting and improving the health of about 1.2 million citizens. He has had a varied and diverse career since training as a GP in East London and then specialising into Public Health Medicine. Justin has worked at local, regional, national and international levels of the public health system on topics ranging from pandemic flu resilience for non-health business to developing social marketing campaigns for healthy lifestyles. His previous roles include the National Lead for Adult Health for Public Health England, Policy and Strategy lead at the Prince’s Business Charity - Business at the Community and Thinker in Residence at the University of Sydney (great title!). Justin has a special interest in minority health issues, especially affecting lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans people, physical activity, work and health issues and domestic violence.This episode really demonstrates why Justin is thought of as a thought leader in public health as well as finishing with his own tips on using behavioural science to survive Christmas!Enjoy and as always, please send feedback about this or past shows and make any suggestions of people you would like to see featured!


