

Strengthening the Soul of Your Leadership with Ruth Haley Barton
Ruth Haley Barton
A lively dialogue with Ruth Haley Barton about forging and maintaining a life-giving connection with God in the midst of leading. Learn more at www.transformingcenter.org.
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Sep 25, 2024 • 46min
S24 Ep 4 | Reading in Color: Engaging Scripture Across Cultural Contexts
How is the Holy Spirit leading us to engage with scripture in new and fresh ways? That’s what Ruth and guest Esau McCaulley discuss this week. Esau shares about his work editing The New Testament in Color: A Multi-Ethnic Commentary on the New Testament. They discuss how we need each other, reading and interpreting across all kinds of different cultures and contexts in order to best discern the mind of Christ, how differently we can view a biblical story depending on which character’s shoes we put ourselves in, and the importance of relinquishing control when it comes to a broader reading of scripture.
This season we are exploring the future of Christian spirituality. Based on her own experience and the lives of people she accompanies on the journey, Ruth has been naming what she is noticing and observing regarding the future of Christian spirituality– how the Spirit is moving and how we can align ourselves to participate in the future God is leading us into. Elements she is naming include respect for the role of desire; emphasis on spiritual direction; welcoming and inclusive; committed to justice; and more. This season Ruth will sit down with thoughtful Christian leaders to discuss their thoughts on one of these elements, as it has to do with the future of Christian spirituality. This season was inspired by the Beyond Words series by the same name. Check out those posts here.
Esau McCaulley, PhD, is an author and The Jonathan Blanchard Associate Professor of New Testament and Public Theology at Wheaton College. His writing and speaking focus on New Testament Exegesis, African American Biblical Interpretation, and Public Theology. He has authored numerous books including, Reading While Black: African American Biblical Interpretation as an Exercise in Hope. Esau also served as the editor of New Testament in Color: A Multi-Ethnic Commentary on the New Testament. On the popular level, Esau’s recent memoir, How Far to the Promised Land, was named by Amazon as a top five non-fiction book of 2023. He has also penned works for children, including Josey Johnson’s Hair and the Holy Spirit and Andy Johnson and the March for Justice. Esau is a contributing opinion writer for the New York Times, and senior editor for Holy Post Media as well as the host of a new podcast with the Holy Post that debuts this fall.
Mentioned in this episode:
Reading While Black by Esau McCaulley
Josie Johnson’s Hair and the Holy Spirit by Esau McCaulley
Andy Johnson and the March for Justice by Esau McCaulley
The New Testament in Color edited by Esau McCaulley, Janette H. Ok, Osvaldo Padilla and Amy Peeler
How Far to the Promised Land by Esau McCaulley
The Cross and the Lynching Tree by James Cone
Music Credit:
Kingdom Come by Aaron Niequist
Innocence from Music in Solitude
Support the podcast! This season patrons will receive special bonus episodes with each guest, guiding listeners on how to pray into these different topics. Become a patron today by visiting our Patreon page!
The Transforming Center exists to create space for God to strengthen leaders and transform communities. You are invited to join our next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders. Delivered in nine quarterly retreats, this practice-based learning opportunity is grounded in the conviction that the best thing you bring to leadership is your own transforming self! Learn more and apply HERE.
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Sep 18, 2024 • 49min
S24 Ep 3 | Attending to the Spirit: The Gift of Spiritual Direction
Reverend Dr. David Hughes, a seasoned pastor, shares his journey into the often-misunderstood world of spiritual direction. He candidly recounts his initial discomfort and the profound value it brings, especially for men. The discussion highlights the growing importance of spiritual direction in deepening one’s faith experience. Ruth also explores the role of spiritual directors in navigating personal journeys, the significance of listening, and the need for a safe space in spiritual exploration. This conversation is rich with insights for anyone seeking connection with the divine.

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Sep 11, 2024 • 1h 4min
S24 Ep 2 | Understanding Our Complexity: The Role of Desire in the Spiritual Life
Father Ron Rolheiser, a spiritual leader, teams up with Ruth to delve into the significance of desire in Christian spirituality. They discuss how desire, often misunderstood, can deepen one's connection with the divine. The conversation touches on balancing societal norms with authentic spiritual yearnings. Ruth shares insights on how acknowledging desire can transform personal and family relationships, highlighting its role in fostering transparency and emotional connection. Together, they open up a dialogue about the vital role of desire in enriching spiritual growth.

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Sep 4, 2024 • 48min
S24 Ep 1 | The Future of Christian Spirituality: Towards a More Unified Faith
Ruth, a thought leader in Christian spirituality, engages with Father Ron Rolheiser, a renowned theologian and author. Together, they explore the dynamic future of faith, emphasizing the importance of spirituality over strict theology. Their discussion touches on the need for unity across denominations and the encouraging role of the Holy Spirit, likening God's guidance to a tireless GPS. They also highlight the challenges of connecting with younger generations, advocating for an approach that prioritizes a lived experience of faith.

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Jun 12, 2024 • 59min
S23 Ep 5 | The Head Center: Managing Our Relationship with Fear
Finally, we’ve arrived at the head center! Ruth and Erin will discuss the 5s, 6s, and 7s of this triad and their special relationship to fear. Erin and Ruth cover all the aspects we’ve been discussing this season as they apply to the head center: the instincts and their impact on the numbers, what unique challenges and transformation opportunities exist in this triad, and how to love our 5s, 6s, and 7s well. Ruth also asks Erin some broader enneagram questions about wings and arrows (and you’ll hear producer Colleen chime in with some clarifying questions here) and what spirituality she applies to the enneagram. Erin also briefly gives us an overview of a few enneagram theories, including the rules of 1, 3, and 7. Over on Patreon, Erin continues to share journal prompts for 5s, 6s, and 7s as well as guidance specific to the unique challenges for head center folks as they work through those questions. Additionally, she elaborates on those enneagram theories that we could only briefly touch on in the episode.
This season we are using the framework of the enneagram, and in particular the ways the 3 instinctual subtypes impact each enneagram number, to help people do the necessary inner work of knowing themselves and managing anxiety, triggers, and stuck patterns so that they can lead others well. This season, we are moving beyond the basics of describing each number type to look at our instincts and what motivates our behaviors. Special guest Erin Baute, a leadership behavior strategist with over 20 years of experience in behavior change and professional development, joins us all season long to help us do this important work.
Erin Baute is a professional business coach and leadership behavior strategist with over 20 years of experience in behavior change and professional development, working with individuals and teams. She has a bachelor’s degree in Human Development, a Master of Public Health and a PhD in Organizational Psychology, with a focus on personal and professional development using personality as a framework underway. She has been studying and using Enneagram for 14 years and is a Certified Enneagram Teacher and Trainer and an Accredited Enneagram Professional from the International Enneagram Association (IEA). You can find more information about Erin on her website, https://livingtheenneagram.com/, or follow her on Instagram, @livingtheenneagram!
Helpful Enneagram Resources:
We are diving straight into the deep end of the enneagram this season. If you need some introductory resources to the Enneagram, we highly recommend the following:
Self to Lose, Self to Find by Marilyn Vancil
The Road Back To You by Suzanne Stabile and Ian Cron
The Story of You by Ian Cron
The Enneagram for Black Liberation by Chichi Agorom
The Enneagram A Christian Perspective by Richard Rohr
Support the Transforming Center! Right now you can double the impact of your gift through a $25,000 challenge gift from an alum. Donate today and receive our Good Things ‘zine!
Join our Patreon Book Club this summer! Patrons at all levels will have the opportunity to read and discuss Ashlee Eiland’s newest book, Say Good: Speaking Across Hot Topics, Complex Relationships, and Tense Situations. We will meet twice over Zoom, once in July and once in August (with special guest, author Ashlee Eiland! ), to dialogue about the book and our own experiences speaking across difficult topics and conversations. Visit our Patreon page for more information and to sign up today!
Music Credit:
Kingdom Come by Aaron Niequist
Anthem from Music in Solitude
Support the podcast! This season patrons will receive weekly bonus episodes that will help take these conversations deeper. We have journal prompts for each of the 9 numbers, guidance from Erin on how to determine your instinct or subtype, and more! Become a patron today by visiting our Patreon page!
The Transforming Center exists to create space for God to strengthen leaders and transform communities. You are invited to join our next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders. Delivered in nine quarterly retreats, this practice-based learning opportunity is grounded in the conviction that the best thing you bring to leadership is your own transforming self! Learn more and apply HERE.
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Jun 5, 2024 • 43min
S23 Ep 4 | The Heart Center: Managing Our Relationship with Connection and Disconnection
It’s time for the heart center numbers! Ruth and Erin will discuss the 2s, 3s, and 4s of this triad and their special relationship to connection and disconnection. Erin breaks down each of these numbers and how their instincts impact them. They talk about the challenges our broken and often violent world presents for those in this feelings-centered triad, as well as the unique ways the world needs their heart more than ever. Over on Patreon, Erin continues to share journal prompts for 2s, 3s, and 4s as well as guidance specific to the unique challenges for heart center folks as they work through those questions.
This season we are using the framework of the enneagram, and in particular the ways the 3 instinctual subtypes impact each enneagram number, to help people do the necessary inner work of knowing themselves and managing anxiety, triggers, and stuck patterns so that they can lead others well. This season, we are moving beyond the basics of describing each number type to look at our instincts and what motivates our behaviors. Special guest Erin Baute, a leadership behavior strategist with over 20 years of experience in behavior change and professional development, joins us all season long to help us do this important work.
Erin Baute is a professional business coach and leadership behavior strategist with over 20 years of experience in behavior change and professional development, working with individuals and teams. She has a bachelor’s degree in Human Development, a Master of Public Health and a PhD in Organizational Psychology, with a focus on personal and professional development using personality as a framework underway. She has been studying and using Enneagram for 14 years and is a Certified Enneagram Teacher and Trainer and an Accredited Enneagram Professional from the International Enneagram Association (IEA). You can find more information about Erin on her website, https://livingtheenneagram.com/, or follow her on Instagram, @livingtheenneagram!
Helpful Enneagram Resources:
We are diving straight into the deep end of the enneagram this season. If you need some introductory resources to the Enneagram, we highly recommend the following:
Self to Lose, Self to Find by Marilyn Vancil
The Road Back To You by Suzanne Stabile and Ian Cron
The Story of You by Ian Cron
The Enneagram for Black Liberation by Chichi Agorom
The Enneagram A Christian Perspective by Richard Rohr
Join our Patreon Book Club this summer! Patrons at all levels will have the opportunity to read and discuss Ashlee Eiland’s newest book, Say Good: Speaking Across Hot Topics, Complex Relationships, and Tense Situations. We will meet twice over Zoom, once in July and once in August (with special guest, author Ashlee Eiland! ), to dialogue about the book and our own experiences speaking across difficult topics and conversations. Visit our Patreon page for more information and to sign up today!
Music Credit:
Kingdom Come by Aaron Niequist
No Matter What from Music in Solitude
Support the podcast! This season patrons will receive weekly bonus episodes that will help take these conversations deeper. We have journal prompts for each of the 9 numbers, guidance from Erin on how to determine your instinct or subtype, and more! Become a patron today by visiting our Patreon page!
The Transforming Center exists to create space for God to strengthen leaders and transform communities. You are invited to join our next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders. Delivered in nine quarterly retreats, this practice-based learning opportunity is grounded in the conviction that the best thing you bring to leadership is your own transforming self! Learn more and apply HERE.
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May 29, 2024 • 42min
S23 Ep 3 | The Body Center: Managing Our Relationship with Anger
We are exploring the body triad this week! Containing the enneagram 8s, 9s, and 1s, these folks have to work to manage their relationship with anger. Ruth and Erin discuss the different relationships each number has with anger and how the subtypes impact that. They also explore what safety looks like for 8s, 9s, and 1s, as well as the unique invitations towards transformation for each number. Over on Patreon, Erin is sharing a worksheet that helps us reclaim our own sense of safety and transformational journal questions for the body center numbers. She’s also providing some guidance specific to the unique challenges of 8s, 9s, and 1’s as they work through those questions.
This season we are using the framework of the enneagram, and in particular the ways the 3 instinctual subtypes impact each enneagram number, to help people do the necessary inner work of knowing themselves and managing anxiety, triggers, and stuck patterns so that they can lead others well. This season, we are moving beyond the basics of describing each number type to look at our instincts and what motivates our behaviors. Special guest Erin Baute, a leadership behavior strategist with over 20 years of experience in behavior change and professional development, joins us all season long to help us do this important work.
Erin Baute is a professional business coach and leadership behavior strategist with over 20 years of experience in behavior change and professional development, working with individuals and teams. She has a bachelor’s degree in Human Development, a Master of Public Health and a PhD in Organizational Psychology, with a focus on personal and professional development using personality as a framework underway. She has been studying and using Enneagram for 14 years and is a Certified Enneagram Teacher and Trainer and an Accredited Enneagram Professional from the International Enneagram Association (IEA). You can find more information about Erin on her website, https://livingtheenneagram.com/, or follow her on Instagram, @livingtheenneagram!
Helpful Enneagram Resources:
We are diving straight into the deep end of the enneagram this season. If you need some introductory resources to the Enneagram, we highly recommend the following:
Self to Lose, Self to Find by Marilyn Vancil
The Road Back To You by Suzanne Stabile and Ian Cron
The Story of You by Ian Cron
The Enneagram for Black Liberation by Chichi Agorom
The Enneagram A Christian Perspective by Richard Rohr
Interested in our live virtual event: SPIRITUAL DIRECTION: An Essential Practice for Transforming Leaders? Visit our Online Oasis Information page to learn more and sign up today!
Music Credit:
Kingdom Come by Aaron Niequist
Anthemr from Music in Solitude
Support the podcast! This season patrons will receive weekly bonus episodes that will help take these conversations deeper. We have journal prompts for each of the 9 numbers, guidance from Erin on how to determine your instinct or subtype, and more! Become a patron today by visiting our Patreon page!
The Transforming Center exists to create space for God to strengthen leaders and transform communities. You are invited to join our next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders. Delivered in nine quarterly retreats, this practice-based learning opportunity is grounded in the conviction that the best thing you bring to leadership is your own transforming self! Learn more and apply HERE.
*this post contains affiliate links

May 22, 2024 • 56min
S23 Ep 2: Beyond the Basics, Beyond the Behaviors
Explore the significance of Enneagram subtypes and instincts with guest Erin Baute, discussing developmental instincts, coping mechanisms, trauma, safety, identity, and values. Learn how to manage reactivity, enhance self-awareness, and promote non-anxious leadership. Delve into childhood instincts, adult behaviors, and the intersection of psychology with Enneagram subtypes. Navigate troubling times, create safe spaces, and address trauma for personal and collective healing.

May 15, 2024 • 39min
S23 Ep1: It Was the Worst of Times: How the Enneagram Can Help Us Navigate a Troubled World
Welcome to season 23! This season we are using the framework of the enneagram, and in particular the ways the 3 instinctual subtypes impact each enneagram number, to help people do the necessary inner work of knowing themselves and managing anxiety, triggers, and stuck patterns so that they can lead others well. This season, we are moving beyond the basics of describing each number type to look at our instincts and what motivates our behaviors. Special guest, Erin Baute, a leadership behavior strategist with over 20 years of experience in behavior change and professional development, joins us all season long to help us do this important work.
Today, Ruth kicks off the season with a solo episode. She gives an introduction to the season ahead, an overview of how she uses the enneagram as a tool, in conjunction with the Holy Spirit, for self-examination and confession, and some guidance for interacting with the enneagram well. We conclude this episode with the Welcoming Prayer, a prayer Ruth often uses as a way to pray into the new things we discover about ourselves as we work with the enneagram.
Mentioned in the episode:
Erin Baute, our guest this season. Find more info at her website or follow her on instagram!
Helpful Enneagram Resources:
We are diving straight into the deep end of the enneagram this season. If you need some introductory resources to the Enneagram we highly recommend the following:
Self to Lose, Self to Find by Marilyn Vancil
The Road Back To You by Suzanne Stabile and Ian Cron
The Story of You by Ian Cron
The Enneagram for Black Liberation by Chichi Agorom
The Enneagram A Christian Perspective by Richard Rohr
Interested in our live virtual event: SPIRITUAL DIRECTION: An Essential Practice for Transforming Leaders? Visit our Online Oasis Information page to learn more and sign up today!
Music Credit:
Kingdom Come by Aaron Niequist
Chasing Butterflies from Music in Solitude
Support the podcast! This season patrons will receive weekly bonus episodes that will help take these conversations deeper. We have journal prompts for each of the 9 numbers, guidance from Erin on how to determine your instinct or subtype, and more! Become a patron today by visiting our Patreon page!
The Transforming Center exists to create space for God to strengthen leaders and transform communities. You are invited to join our next Transforming Community:® A Two-year Spiritual Formation Experience for Leaders. Delivered in nine quarterly retreats, this practice-based learning opportunity is grounded in the conviction that the best thing you bring to leadership is your own transforming self! Learn more and apply HERE.
*this post contains affiliate links

Apr 1, 2024 • 33min
Easter Monday | Transforming Post-Resurrection Encounters with Jesus (A Replay)
This uplifting discussion revisits profound post-resurrection encounters with Jesus. Five powerful stories invite listeners to reflect on their own transformative moments, from weeping in the garden to sharing breakfast on the beach. Each tale offers an opportunity to consider personal healing and renewal. The conversation encourages embracing intimacy with Jesus amid doubt and grief, making it a perfect reflection for Easter Monday. Join the journey of faith and renewal as you explore the depths of these incredible biblical moments.


