

How I Learned to Love Shrimp
James Özden
How I Learned To Love Shrimp is a podcast showcasing innovative and impactful ways to help animals and build the animal advocacy movement. We talk to experts about a variety of topics: animal rights, animal welfare, alternative proteins, the future of food, and much more. Whether it's political change, protest, technological innovation or grassroots campaigns, we aim to cover it all with deep dives we release every 2-4 weeks.Subscribe and please do share with any interested folks! You can also leave feedback and suggestions by contacting us directly through our website.
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Jul 2, 2025 • 59min
Thom Norman on whether diet change is a counterproductive ask (and what we could do instead)
Thom Norman, co-founder of FarmKind and former nuclear energy lawyer, discusses the effectiveness of asking for donations over promoting dietary changes in animal advocacy. He explores the complexities surrounding public perceptions of food choices and the challenges of behavior change. Thom shares insights on innovative fundraising strategies that have successfully raised over $100,000, and the impact of AI on animal welfare in farming. He encourages broader engagement in animal advocacy through philanthropy and creative approaches to connect with supporters.

Jun 12, 2025 • 59min
Alice Di Concetto on why EU animal welfare reforms failed (and what we can do next)
Alice Di Concetto, Executive Director and Chief Legal Advisor at the European Institute for Animal Law & Policy, discusses the stalled EU animal welfare reforms and the challenges of advocacy. She highlights the clash between domestic and import standards and the impact of trade policies. Alice delves into the push for cage-free laws and the complexities of mobilizing public support. She also explores the intersection of animal rights and environmentalism, urging for a more coordinated approach to advocacy while reminiscing about recent reforms in various EU countries.

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May 12, 2025 • 48min
James on Changed My Mind, talking about disruptive protests and social movements
In a thought-provoking discussion, James O'Brien, Director of Philanthropy at Mobius and former member of Extinction Rebellion, shares his transformative journey through activism. He reflects on the psychological toll of disruptive protests and the evolution of his strategies for fostering change. The conversation dives into the complexities of prioritizing animal welfare versus climate issues and critiques the polarization within social movements. O'Brien emphasizes the ethical implications of disruptive activism and the necessity for collaboration to achieve real progress.

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May 6, 2025 • 1h 4min
Katie Cantrell on shifting millions of meals to plant-based
In this engaging discussion, Katie Cantrell, Co-founder and CEO of Greener by Default, shares her innovative strategies for promoting plant-based eating. She reveals how changing default menu options in hospitals has significantly shifted dietary behaviors without overwhelming consumers. Cantrell emphasizes the importance of choice architecture and effective communication in animal advocacy. Expect insights on adapting traditional meals to enhance appeal and the power of nudging in making plant-based choices more accessible and appealing, all while addressing the complexities of consumer habits.

Apr 15, 2025 • 57min
50th Episode Special: 5 leaders on key changes and opportunities in the animal movement
In a milestone discussion, David Coman-Hidy emphasizes the crucial role of policy advocacy for the animal movement's growth. Carolina Galvani shares innovative public policy strategies while Alex Holst reveals how fermentation is revolutionizing alternative proteins. Carley Betts highlights strategies for securing cage-free commitments from corporations, and Karolina Sarek sheds light on the pressing need to support overlooked species like shrimp. Together, these leaders offer a blueprint for the future of animal advocacy.

Apr 2, 2025 • 57min
Kelvey Vander Hart on appealing to wide range of political and religious beliefs
Kelvey Vander Hart, a Senior Fellow at the Wilberforce Institute, blends her political right-of-center perspective with her Christian faith to advocate for animal welfare. She discusses building bipartisan coalitions around specific issues, emphasizing the unity of mercy, compassion, and justice. Vander Hart highlights the historical significance of figures like William Wilberforce in shaping advocacy. She also touches on the necessity of engaging faith communities and the impact of storytelling in fostering understanding across diverse beliefs.

Mar 18, 2025 • 1h 8min
David Kay on the emerging cultivated meat industry
David Kay, the first employee at Upside Foods and an MBA student at Harvard, offers a captivating look into the cultivated meat industry. He discusses the balance between environmental, health, and animal welfare messaging, and shares his unique journey from animal advocacy to the forefront of cultivated meat innovation. Key topics include significant challenges like political polarization, the distinction between cultivated and plant-based meats, and the recent FDA approval of cultivated pork fat. Kay emphasizes the vital role of collaboration and elite institutions in shaping a sustainable future for alternative proteins.

Mar 4, 2025 • 1h 8min
Julia Reinelt on why supporting parents is integral to the success and sustainability of our work
A critical look at the entwined relationship between parenthood and the animal advocacy movement. Julia Reinelt shares her insights on how organisations can become more supportive to parents in the advocacy space.• Julia introduces herself and discusses her journey in the animal advocacy movement • The challenges of balancing advocacy work and parenting • Understanding the family-unfriendly aspects of the animal advocacy movement • Suggestions on creating more inclusive environments for parents within organisations • The impact of geographical location on parental support in advocacy • Insights on the necessity of normalising parenting conversations across the movement • How advocating for family-friendly policies can foster sustainability • The role of the AVA summits in promoting family-friendly initiatives • Calls for listeners to engage with these conversations and advocate for change www.avasummit.comSubscribe to our monthly newsletter and follow us on LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | YouTube | TikTok With thanks to Tom Felbar (Ambedo Media) for amazing video and audio editing!If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating and review us - it means a lot to us!

Feb 18, 2025 • 1h 19min
Aarti Bhavana on mental health and keeping companies accountable to their commitments
This episode discusses the intersection of mental health and animal advocacy, highlighting the critical need for self-care among advocates. Aarti Bhavana shares her experiences with emotional tolls from animal suffering, corporate accountability, and practical strategies for sustaining passion in the long term.• Exploring the toxic mindset of 100% dedication in animal advocacy • Importance of addressing mental health in nonprofit sectors • Underlying emotions of advocates witnessing animal suffering • The role and growth of corporate accountability in animal welfare • Practical self-care strategies and boundaries for advocates • Insights into shifting perspectives on animal welfare legislationResources;Bharat Initiative for Accountability Marconi Union - Weightless Cupa Larrc Instagram Our world in data – amount of suffering for cage-free based on welfare footprint Jayasimha Podcast Episode - Cage-free credits Heads Up - Creative campaigns newsletterWith thanks to Tom Felbar (Ambedo Media) for amazing video and audio editing!If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating and review us - it means a lot to us!

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Feb 4, 2025 • 1h 19min
Haven King-Nobles on why high agency is critical for entrepreneurship
Haven King-Nobles, co-founder and executive director of the Fish Welfare Initiative, dives into the concept of high agency in entrepreneurship. He shares insights from his journey as a young entrepreneur, discussing the key traits for success and the mistakes he learned from. Haven elaborates on the ethical aspects of fish welfare, particularly in relation to pre-slaughter techniques in India. He also emphasizes the need for adaptability and local engagement in charity entrepreneurship, underlining the transformative impact of a proactive mindset.


