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Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of someone halfway across the world. The show is known for innovative sound design, smashing information into music. It is hosted by Lulu Miller and Latif Nasser.
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Aug 20, 2021 • 29min
Everybody’s Got One
We all think we know the story of pregnancy. Sperm meets egg, followed by nine months of nurturing, nesting, and quiet incubation. But this story isn’t the nursery rhyme we think it is. In a way, it’s a struggle, almost like a tiny war. And right on the front lines of that battle is another major player on the stage of pregnancy that not a single person on the planet would be here without. An entirely new organ: the placenta.
In this episode we take you on a journey through the 270-day life of this weird, squishy, gelatinous orb, and discover that it is so much more than an organ. It’s a foreign invader. A piece of meat. A friend and parent. And it’s perhaps the most essential piece in the survival of our kind.
This episode was reported by Heather Radke and Becca Bressler, and produced by Becca Bressler and Pat Walters, with help from Matt Kielty and Maria Paz Gutierrez. Additional reporting by Molly Webster.
Special thanks to Diana Bianchi, Julia Katz, Sam Behjati, Celia Bardwell-Jones, Mathilde Cohen, Hannah Ingraham, Pip Lipkin, and Molly Fassler.
Support Radiolab by becoming a member today at Radiolab.org/donate.
For cool new research on the placenta:
Check out Harvey’s latest paper published with Julia Katz.
Sam Behjati's latest paper on the placenta as a "genetic dumping ground".

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Aug 6, 2021 • 46min
Gonads: Dutee
In 2014, India’s Dutee Chand was a rising female track and field star, crushing national records. But then, that summer, something unexpected happened: she failed a gender test. And was banned from the sport. Before she knew it, Dutee was thrown into the middle of a controversy that started long before her, and continues on today: how to separate males and females in sport. First aired in 2018, Dutee and the story of female athletes in sport are back in the spotlight this week, at the Tokyo Olympics. Join us for an update on Dutee’s second Olympic games, and the continued role testosterone has in shaping who is on the track, and who is off.
This story was originally released as part of Gonads, a six-part series on the parts of us that make more of us. It is a companion piece to Gonads, episode 5: Dana.
This update was reported by Molly Webster, with reporting and producing by Sarah Qari.
"Dutee" was reported by Molly Webster, with co-reporting and translation by Sarah Qari. It was produced by Pat Walters, with production help from Jad Abumrad and Rachael Cusick. The Gonads theme was written, performed, and produced by Majel Connery and Alex Overington.
Special thanks to Geertje Mak, Maayan Sudai, Andrea Dunaif, Bhrikuti Rai, Joe Osmundson, and Payoshni Mitra. Plus, former Olympic runner Madeleine Pape, who is currently studying regulations around female, transgender, and intersex individuals in sport.
Radiolab is supported in part by Science Sandbox, a Simons Foundation initiative dedicated to engaging everyone with the process of science. And the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org.
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Jul 23, 2021 • 1h 1min
The Queen of Dying
If you’ve ever lost someone, or watched a medical drama in the last 15 years, you’ve probably heard of The Five Stages of Grief. They’re sort of the world’s worst consolation prize for loss. But last year, we began wondering… Where did these stages come from in the first place?
Turns out, Elisabeth Kübler-Ross. But the story is much, much more complicated than that. Those stages of grieving? They actually started as stages of dying. After learning that, producer Rachael Cusick tumbled into a year-long journey through the life and work of the incredibly complicated and misunderstood woman who single-handedly changed the way all of us face dying, and the way we deal with being left behind.
Special Note: Our friends over at Death Sex and Money have put together a very special companion to this story, featuring Rachael talking about this story with her grandmother. Check it out here.
This episode was reported and produced by Rachael Cusick, with production help from Carin Leong.
This story wouldn’t have been possible without the folks you heard from in the episode, and the many, many people who touched this story, including: Anne Adams, Andrew Aronson, Audrey Gordon, Barbara Hogenson, Basit Qari, Bill Weese, Bob McGan, Carey Gauzens, Clifford Edwards, Cristina McGinniss, Dorothy Holinger, Frank Ostaseski, Ira Byock, Jamie Munson, Jessica Weisberg, Jillian Tullis, Joanna Treichler, Jonathan Green, Ken Bridbord, Ladybird Morgan, Laurel Braitman, Lawrence Lincoln, Leah Siegel, Liese Groot, Linda Mount, Lyn Frumkin, Mark Kuczewski, Martha Twaddle, Peter Nevraumont, Rosalie Roder, Sala Hilaire, Stefan Haupt, Stephanie Riley, Stephen Connor, and Tracie Hunte.
Special thanks to all the folks who shared music for this episode, including:
Lisa Stoll, who shared her Alpine horn music with us for this episode. You can hear more of her music here.
Cliff Edwards, who shared original music from Deanna Edwards.
The Martin Hayes Quartet, who shared the last bit of music you hear in the piece that somehow puts a world of emotion into one beautiful tune.
And an extra special thank you to the folks over at Stanford University - Ben Stone, David Magnus, Karl Lorenz, Maren Monsen - the caretakers of Elisabeth’s archival collection who made it possible to rummage through their library from halfway across the country. You can read more about the collection here.
To learn more about Elisabeth and the folks who are furthering her work, you can visit the Elisabeth Kübler-Ross Foundation website here.
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Jul 19, 2021 • 2min
Breaking News about The Other Latif
A major development in the case of Guantanamo detainee Abdul Latif Nasser.
To listen to our series about him, go to theotherlatif.org.

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Jul 15, 2021 • 54min
G: Unfit
In the past few weeks, most people have probably seen Britney Spears' name or face everywhere. When she stood in front of a judge (virtually) and protested the conservatorship she's been living under for the past 13 years, one harrowing detail in particular stood out. She told the judge, "I was told right now in the conservatorship, I'm not able to get married or have a baby." Today, we look back at an old episode where we explore why it is that hundreds of thousands of people can have their reproductive rights denied...and spoiler: it goes back to Darwin.
When a law student named Mark Bold came across a Supreme Court decision from the 1920s that allowed for the forced sterilization of people deemed “unfit,” he was shocked to discover that it had never been overturned. His law professors told him the case, Buck v Bell, was nothing to worry about, that the ruling was in a kind of legal limbo and could never be used against people. But he didn’t buy it. In this episode we follow Mark on a journey to one of the darkest consequences of humanity’s attempts to measure the human mind and put people in boxes, following him through history, science fiction and a version of eugenics that’s still very much alive today, and watch as he crusades to restore a dash of moral order to the universe.
This episode was produced by Matt Kielty, Lulu Miller and Pat Walters.
Special thanks to Sara Luterman, Lynn Rainville, Alex Minna Stern, Steve Silberman and Lydia X.Z. Brown.
Radiolab’s “G” is supported in part by Science Sandbox, a Simons Foundation initiative dedicated to engaging everyone with the process of science.
Support Radiolab today at Radiolab.org/donate.

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Jul 9, 2021 • 27min
The Vanishing of Harry Pace: Episode 6
Delving into the history and significance of 'Lift Every Voice and Sing', the hosts explore its connection to past topics and express confusion over a statement about race. They discuss the surprise of their son learning the black national anthem at his predominantly white school. Highlighting James Walden Johnson's choice to not honor Lincoln during a school celebration, they emphasize the importance of black Americans recording and celebrating their achievements. The recital where the song gains popularity and the devastating fire in Jacksonville, which prompts many to leave the city, are also discussed. Finally, they explore the history and impact of 'Lift Every Voice and Sing', acknowledging its recognition as the Black National Anthem and its emotional resonance.

Jul 2, 2021 • 42min
The Vanishing of Harry Pace: Episode 5
Roland Hayes, a great (and largely forgotten) creator of new cosmologies, is discussed in this episode. The hosts embark on a quest to uncover information about Harry Pace and stumble upon Roland's fascinating musical story. They explore his recovery after a serious injury and his determination to pursue his passion for music. The hosts also discuss Roland's success as an opera singer in Germany during the Weimar Republic and his ability to overcome adversity on stage. The chapter reflects on the legacy of Roland Hayes and the challenges he faced in the recording industry.

Jun 29, 2021 • 13min
The Vanishing of Harry Pace: Episode 4
Delving into the history of Black Swan record label and its connection to the Harlem Renaissance. Exploring the origins and influence of Minstrelsy. Examining the evolution of racially insensitive songs and the importance of addressing this music. Discussing offensive stereotypes in a movie and Etta James' empowering song. Telling the remarkable story of Harry Pace who defied societal expectations and achieved extraordinary things.

Jun 26, 2021 • 42min
The Vanishing of Harry Pace: Episode 3
This podcast explores the legacy of Harry Pace through the experiences of his grandchildren and great-grandchildren, revealing a shocking family secret related to their African American ancestry. It delves into the concept of the one-drop rule, the impact of racial classification on identity, and the importance of understanding different perspectives. The podcast concludes the Harry Pace trilogy and gives a preview of upcoming episodes.

Jun 19, 2021 • 43min
The Vanishing of Harry Pace: Episode 2
Discover the shocking truth about Harry Pace's identity and his journey to create America's first black-owned record label. Explore the consolidation of the record business and the challenges faced by Black individuals. Uncover Harry Pace's involvement in the insurance industry and the social importance of insurance for Black Americans. Delve into the dynamics of race and identity in the courtroom. Witness Harry's Supreme Court victory and increased housing opportunities for black residents. Uncover the consequences of Harry Pace's racial reclassification and the repercussions of hiding his story.


