In Conversation with Nathalie Nahai

Today, I’m delighted to speak with a truly exceptional guest - Caroline Chubb Calderon. A strategic advisor, futurist, humanist and executive “future coach”, Caroline is one of these remarkable leaders whose expertise and skill are deeply rooted in the ground of compassion, care and love for the living world.Devoted to reimagining the future of humanity in the age of intelligent machines, her work focuses on the roles we humans can play in the coming redefinition of human-machine relationships, what it means to be human in a world of limitless algorithms, the future of work and society, and, most especially, how we might develop leaders to lead this revolution with integrity, ethics and a view towards multi-generational benefit. With her team at HelloHumanity, Caroline works with future-shapers to enhance the qualities of humanity that are so critical at this juncture in the development of AI – those qualities that will continue to set us apart from robots, machines and algorithms, including ethical and moral decision-making, imagination, socio-emotional intelligence, and daring and visionary leadership.  Having spoken at TEDx and on prominent stages around the world, Caroline is actively involved with IEEE’s working groups defining the standards for Ethical AI, and she has contributed to two seminal books on disruptive leadership. She has also worked with some of the most imaginative organizations on the planet, guest lectured at many top MBA schools and leadership forums, and won awards for her work with Fortune 100 clients.Caroline is also a senior meditation teacher and brings the ethics of western and eastern wisdom into her work. She fuses together the fields of innovation, emotional intelligence, mindfulness, ethics, purpose-driven leadership, behavioral science, and neuroscience to prepare executives to take their most important helm — to lead for humanity. SUMMARYIn this conversation, Caroline Chubb Calderon and Nathalie Nahai explore the complexities of the global human psyche amidst rapid technological transformation. They discuss the importance of introspection, the need for collective action, and the role of technology in fostering human connection. The dialogue emphasizes empathy, compassion, and community as essential elements for navigating the challenges posed by AI and other disruptive forces. They envision a flourishing future that prioritizes regenerative economic models, equitable governance, and a deep understanding of interconnection within nature. Ultimately, they call for a shift in consciousness towards right relationships with life and a commitment to nurturing the planet and each other.WEBSITEShttps://www.carolinechubbcalderon.com/https://www.hellohumanity.com/BOOKS & RESOURCESThe AI Con (https://thecon.ai/) – Dr. Emily M. Bender & Dr. Alex HannaThe Children’s Fire (https://amzn.to/4dnP0GT) – Mac McCartneyCHAPTERS03:08 Introspection vs. Collective Action06:05 The Role of Compassion in Action08:43 Reconnecting with Nature and Community11:55 Imagining a Flourishing Future with AI14:52 Rethinking Economic Models in the Age of AI28:12 The Power Dynamics of AI and Governance29:33 Democracy in the Age of AI31:17 Envisioning a Council of Life33:48 The Ethical Implications of AI Technology36:07 Transforming Power Structures37:53 Shifting from Extractive to Regenerative Mindsets41:27 Interconnection and Human-Centric Thinking45:04 The Role of Humans in a Regenerative Future50:42 Contemplating Right Relationship with Life

In this episode, I speak with Caroline Carruthers, an award-winning data expert and co-founder of global data consultancy Carruthers and Jackson. She was one of the first women to take on the role of Chief Data Officer in the UK public sector for Network Rail and has worked across multiple industries to build data capability from the ground up, delivering real change to each organisation around how they valued their data as an asset.Caroline has authored several best-selling books on the role of data in organisations, including the renowned “Chief Data Officer’s Playbook” and the bestselling “Data Driven Business Transformation.”Working alongside her co-author, and co-founder of Carruthers and Jackson, Peter Jackson, Caroline now consults public, private and charity sector organisations around the world on how to get the most out of their data.Caroline was named one of the top 20 inspirational female role models in data by The Female Lead in 2018 and won Computing’s Rising Stars Entrepreneur of the Year Award in 2020 for her work consulting major international organisations on their data operations.SUMMARYIn this conversation, Nathalie Nahai and Caroline Carruthers explore the evolving role of data and AI in society, discussing the balance between information overload and meaningful insights. They discuss the ethical implications of data usage, the importance of human oversight in AI, and the need for transparency in data sharing. The dialogue also touches on creativity, the relationship between art and technology, and the significance of curiosity in navigating the complexities of modern life. Ultimately, they emphasise the importance of finding beauty and meaning in both the creative process and the challenges we face in a data-driven world.WEBSITEShttps://carruthersandjackson.com/https://www.linkedin.com/in/caroline-carruthers-22b9423/BOOKS & RESOURCESThe AI Con (https://thecon.ai/) - Emily M. Bender and Alex HannaFactfulness (https://amzn.to/4jW5Yyc) – Hans RoslingEloise Gillow  - https://www.eloisegillow.com/aboutBlanche Ellis - https://blancheellis.com/CHAPTERS00:00 Introduction to Data and Ethics01:34 The Evolution of Data Usage04:32 The Global Human Psyche and Data07:38 The Dilemma of Information Overload10:28 AI and Human Productivity13:42 Challenges in AI Adoption16:38 Understanding AI Tools19:38 Ethics and AI in Healthcare22:34 The Trolley Problem and AI Ethics32:06 Navigating AI in Traffic Situations33:58 Human Empathy vs. AI Decision-Making35:00 Anthropomorphizing AI: The Risks and Realities37:14 The Importance of Human Oversight in AI38:59 Curiosity as a Key to AI Understanding41:19 Creating Space for Creativity in Organizations

Today I have the pleasure of interviewing Ismael Kherroubi Garcia, the Founder & CEO of Kairoi, the AI Ethics & Research Governance Consultancy; the Founder of the Responsible Artificial Intelligence Network (RAIN) organised by Fellows of the RSA; and Associate Director of We and AI, promoting AI literacy for social inclusion. Ismael’s work in responsible AI has allowed him to draw on his diverse experiences, having worked across fintech, museums, theatre and academia, in sales, human resources and research; and at organisations as diverse as Bloomberg, the Royal Opera House and NASA.Ismael's training in Business Management and Philosophy of the Social Sciences now informs practical but nuanced approaches to how businesses innovate whilst communicating and adhering to their own values. A key tenet of his work is to advocate for a form of humility that encourages us to bring in voices from different backgrounds where we find gaps in our own understandings. The results are ways of working grounded in meaningful collaborations across organisational departments and with different stakeholders.Ismael’s work in responsible AI has meant developing AI frameworks and practices across sectors, from charities and universities, to standards development organisations and government bodies. Underpinning all his work is Kairoi’s AI Ethics Canvas and the Four Pillars of Responsible AI for organisational practices: better communications, relevant technical standards, meaningful public engagement and robust governance.  SUMMARYIn this conversation, Nathalie Nahai and Ismael Kherroubi Garcia explore the complexities of artificial intelligence and its ethical implications. They discuss Ismael's journey into AI ethics, the importance of defining AI, and the need for public engagement through storytelling. The conversation highlights the challenges of data quality, the risks of deploying AI without proper consideration, and the societal pressures surrounding AI adoption. They emphasise the role of organisations in shaping responsible AI practices and the necessity of critical thinking in the face of AI hype.WEBSITEShttps://kairoi.uk/  https://weandai.org/https://www.turing.ac.uk/https://www.linkedin.com/in/ismaelkherroubi/BOOKS & RESOURCESThe AI Con (https://thecon.ai/) – Dr. Emily M. Bender & Dr. Alex HannaAI Snake Oil (https://www.aisnakeoil.com/) – Prof. Arvind Narayanan & Sayash KapoorCHAPTERS00:00 Introduction to AI and Ethics05:03 Defining AI: Tools and Research11:00 Using Stories to Engage with AI17:06 The Role of AI in Creativity23:05 The Alienation of Work and AI37:50 AI Tools and Their Impact on Society49:53 Challenges in AI Deployment01:00:26 Navigating AI in the Workplace

Today I speak with Neil Lawrence, the inaugural DeepMind Professor of Machine Learning at the University of Cambridge, a senior AI Fellow at The Alan Turing Institute, and visiting Professor of Machine Learning at the University of Sheffield.Co-host of Talking Machines, Neil has over 20 years’ experience in machine learning models, and his technical expertise focuses on uncertainty and machine learning methods. Having recently returned to academia after three years as Director of Machine Learning at Amazon, Neil now leads Cambridge University’s flagship mission on AI, ai@cam – and his new book, The Atomic Human, seeks to reset the conversation around artificial intelligence, contrasting our capabilities with machine intelligence, and revealing the technical origins, capabilities and limitations of AI systems, and how they should be wielded.With the increased impact of machine learning in society, in particular its use as the principal technology underpinning modern artificial intelligence, Neil has also become interested in the public understanding and policy decisions of machine learning, and the implications for data governance.As well as his departmental roles he serves on the board of the conference AISTATS and the ELLIS Foundation, and as the founding and series editor for the Proceedings of Machine Learning Research. SUMMARYIn this conversation, Nathalie Nahai speaks with Neil Lawrence about the implications of artificial intelligence on society, democracy, and human agency. They explore the risks of digital tyranny, the importance of understanding machine learning, and the need for effective legislation to ensure online safety. Lawrence introduces the concept of the 'Atomic Human,' emphasizing the unique qualities that define humanity in the face of advancing technology. In this conversation, the speakers explore the quest for meaning in a world increasingly dominated by technology and productivity metrics. They discuss the intersection of technology and spirituality, emphasizing the importance of human experience and connection. The dialogue also addresses the challenges faced by modern society, including the need for optimism and empowerment in the face of existential threats. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the necessity of finding beauty and meaning in everyday life, even during dark times. WEBSITEhttps://inverseprobability.com/https://ai.cam.ac.uk/BOOKS & RESOURCESBook: The Atomic Human – Neil Lawrence (https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/455130/the-atomic-human-by-lawrence-neil-d/9780241625248)Research: Proceedings of Machine Learning Research - https://proceedings.mlr.press/  Podcast: https://www.thetalkingmachines.com/CHAPTERS00:00 Introduction to AI and Human Agency02:40 The State of Democracy and Digital Tyranny10:48 The Impact of Digital Tools on Society17:36 Legislation and Online Safety22:29 The Atomic Human: Understanding Our Unique Qualities40:15 The Quest for Meaning in a Technological Age49:13 The Intersection of Technology and Spirituality57:40 Navigating the Challenges of Modern Society01:12:47 Finding Optimism in Dark Times

In this conversation, I speak with Dr. Margaret Heffernan – a renowned entrepreneur, CEO, keynote speaker and author, and professor of Practice at the University of Bath’s School of Management.Having produced programmes for the BBC in the UK for 13 years, Margaret moved to the US where she spearheaded multimedia productions for Intuit, The Learning Company and Standard & Poors. She was Chief Executive of InfoMation Corporation, ZineZone Corporation and then iCast Corporation, was named one of the “Top 25” by Streaming Media magazine and one of the “Top 100 Media Executives” by The Hollywood Reporter. Lead Faculty for the Forward Institute’s Responsible Leadership Programme, Margaret also mentors CEOs and senior executives of major global organizations through Merryck & Co., and she chairs the board of DACS.The author of seven books, Margaret’s third book, Willful Blindness : Why We Ignore the Obvious at our Peril was named one of the most important business books of the decade by the Financial Times. In 2015, she was awarded the Transmission Prize for A Bigger Prize: Why Competition isn’t Everything and How We Do Better, which was described as “meticulously researched…engagingly written…universally relevant and hard to fault.” Her TED talks have been seen by over 13 million people and in 2015 TED published Beyond Measure: The Big Impact of Small Changes.Her penultimate book, Uncharted: How to map the future was published in 2020, and quickly became a bestseller – not only was it nominated for the Financial Times Best Business Book award, it was also one of Bloomberg’s Best Books of 2021 and was chosen as the “Medium Best of the Best” business book. In 2024, she was inducted into the Thinkers50 Hall of Fame, in recognition of her lasting impact on management thinking.Her new book, Embracing Uncertainty - How Writers, Musicians & Artists Thrive in an Unpredictable World, has just been published, and it’s some of these poignant themes that we’ll be exploring in our conversation today. SUMMARYIn this conversation, Nathalie Nahai and Margaret Heffernan discuss navigating uncertainty in our data-driven world, emphasizing imagination and creativity in leadership. Their dialogue explores the value of taking time to think and balancing thought with action, while highlighting how diverse experiences foster creativity. They advocate for embracing unpredictability rather than seeking certainty, and examine the complex relationship between AI, creativity, and human experience. The conversation touches on how neoliberal economics has affected individualism and artistic expression, while emphasizing the importance of personal anchors, literature, and art. Throughout their exchange, they reflect on finding meaning through curiosity and rest, and the significance of making small but meaningful contributions to humanity, illustrated by the hummingbird parable. Their conversation ultimately explores how we can flourish amid uncertainty by nurturing creativity and maintaining meaningful connections.WEBSITESwww.mheffernan.comTED Talks: https://www.ted.com/talks/margaret_heffernan_the_human_skills_we_need_in_an_unpredictable_worldBOOKSEmbracing Uncertainty - How writers, musicians & artists thrive in an unpredictable world – Margaret Heffernan (https://www.mheffernan.com/book-embracinguncertainty.php)Willful Blindness : Why We Ignore the Obvious at our Peril – Margaret Heffernan (https://www.mheffernan.com/book-wilfulblindness.php)A Bigger Prize: Why Competition isn’t Everything and How We Do Better – Margaret Heffernan (https://www.mheffernan.com/book-abiggerprize.php)Beyond Measure: The Big Impact of Small Changes – Margaret Heffernan / TED (https://www.mheffernan.com/book-beyondmeasure.php)Uncharted: How to map the future – Margaret Heffernan (https://www.mheffernan.com/book-uncharted.php)CHAPTERS00:00 Navigating Uncertainty in the Global Psyche02:59 The Role of Creativity in a Data-Driven World05:50 Embracing Imagination and Unpredictability09:07 The Importance of Thinking Time11:59 The Need for Action in Leadership14:56 Balancing Thought and Action17:56 Cultivating Creativity in a Technological Age20:59 Finding Meaning in Diverse Experiences23:59 The Art of Time Management31:34 Crafting a Creative Routine33:05 The Nature of Creativity and AI41:05 The Human Experience in Art47:35 Navigating Uncertainty and Creativity52:54 The Impact of Neoliberal Economics on Creativity57:37 Embracing Change and Unpredictability

As we approach the longest night in the North, I’m delighted to share with you what has become a cherished tradition of reflection, contemplation, and looking ahead to the year to come. In this conversation, I rejoin Manda Scott and Della Duncan for a collaborative midwinter offering from myself, Accidental Gods, and the Upstream Podcast. From the questions we’re holding and the highlight’s we’re taking from the year, to the gifts we’d like to share with one another and with you as we cross the threshold into 2025, this is a ritual that I’ve come to really look forward to, and I hope you find it as uplifting as I do. As always, Manda will close with a guided solstice meditation, the 7 Generations Perspective, which you can find over at Accidental Gods. To introduced my companions… Manda Scott is a novelist, podcaster and smallholder. Formerly a veterinary surgeon, Manda’s novels have been shortlisted for the Orange Prize, the Edgar and the Saltire Award and has won the McIlvanney Prize. She is host of the Accidental Gods podcast, which showcases individuals and organisations at the emerging edge of our world, to set the foundation for a future we’d be proud to leave to the generations that come after us. We’re joined by Della Duncan, a Renegade Economist based in the San Francisco Bay Area. She is a co-host of the Upstream Podcast, a Right Livelihood Coach, a faculty member at the California Institute of Integral Studies, a Senior Fellow at the London School of Economics, a founding member of the California Doughnut Economics Coalition, and the designer and co-facilitator of the Cultivating Regenerative Livelihood Course at Gaia Education. This is always a special episode for me, and I’m very grateful to be able to dive into conversation with these two brilliant women. I hope you find it inviting and inspiring, and I wish you a peaceful Winter Solstice and a fruitful new year. SUMMARY In this enlightening conversation, Manda Scott, Della Duncan, and Nathalie Nahai reflect on their podcasting journey over the past year, sharing insights on the themes of conscious evolution, anti-capitalism, and the ethical implications of technology. They explore the importance of community, personal growth, and the interconnectedness of all life, while also addressing the urgent need for systemic change in the face of ecological and social crises. The discussion culminates in a collective inquiry into how to foster a more compassionate and equitable world, emphasizing the role of individual and collective action in shaping a sustainable future.  KEY THEMES ·      The role of imperialism in capitalism·      The importance of community and connection in activism·      Conscious evolution requires a shift in values and worldview·      Understanding the complexities of technology and its impact on society·      The need for systemic change to address ecological crises·      Personal practices can help maintain balance and well-being·      Recognizing the interconnectedness of all life is crucial·      Anti-capitalist strategies must consider the implications for all·      Art and creativity are essential in the age of AI·      Hope and resilience can emerge from collective action  WEBSITESManda·      https://mandascott.co.uk/·      https://accidentalgods.life/·      https://thrutopia.life/·      https://thrutopia.life/ Della·      https://caldec.org/·      https://www.upstreampodcast.org/·      https://www.dellazduncan.com/  RESOURCES ·      Down the Rabbit Hole: https://charliebennettauthor.co.uk/shop·      Transformative Adaptation: https://shop.permaculture.co.uk/products/transformative-adaptation·      How to Be an An Anticapitalist in the Twenty-first Century: https://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/products/933-how-to-be-an-anticapitalist-in-the-twenty-first-century?srsltid=AfmBOoq4Q9LtVqpS7BkvtrBsQwBW3eHwnbD9SKoDXxt-rT9_2BL1DdE·      God, Human, Animal, Machine: https://uk.bookshop.org/p/books/god-human-animal-machine-technology-metaphor-and-the-search-for-meaning-meghan-o-gieblyn/5885978?ean=9780525562719The Psychological Drivers of the MetaCrisis: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-psychological-drivers-of-the-metacrisis/id1680606350?i=1000639851812

In this final episode of the season, I speak with Joanna Kavenna - an English novelist, essayist and travel writer of Welsh extraction, who has written six books which explore themes of history, travel, reality and society.Having grown up in Britain, and lived in the US, France, Germany, China, Sri Lanka, Scandinavia, Italy and the Baltic states, Joanna is the author of several critically acclaimed works of fiction and nonfiction, including The Ice Museum, Inglorious, Come to the Edge, A Field Guide to Reality and – most recently - Zed. Her novel Inglorious won the Orange Award for New Writing, and her novel The Birth of Love was longlisted for the Orange Prize.Joanna’s writing has appeared in The New Yorker, London Review of Books, The New York Times and many other publications, and she was named as one of the Telegraph’s Best Writers under 40 in 2010 and as one of Granta's Best of Young British Novelists in 2013. She has also held the Alistair Horne Fellowship at St Antony’s College Oxford and the Harper-Wood at St John’s College Cambridge.I first came across Joanna at a philosophy festival in London over the summer, called How The Light Gets In, and I had the pleasure of hearing her speak on a panel about technology, society and the future. I was mesmerised by her shimmering, constellated and poetic way of thinking and speaking, and I couldn’t resist asking if she might join me on the show. Luckily for me (and for you) she said yes, and I’m excited to share this wide-ranging conversation with you today! SUMMARYIn this conversation, we explore the historical implications of technological advancements, the ethical considerations surrounding data usage, and the importance of agency and cognitive liberty. We touch on the nature of reality, the search for beauty in dark times, and the need for hope and resilience amidst societal challenges. Ultimately, we emphasise the necessity for participatory democracy and ethical frameworks in shaping the future of technology. KEY THEMES·      AI is a reflection of the global human psyche.·      The historical context of technology influences art and society.·      Data usage without consent raises ethical concerns.·      Emerging technologies can lead to both progress and peril.·      Agency is crucial in navigating a tech-driven world.·      Cognitive liberty is essential for personal autonomy.·      AI can simulate human interaction but lacks true consciousness.·      Reality is often distorted by technological representations.·      Finding beauty in everyday moments can foster resilience.·      Hope is vital in facing the challenges of modern life. WEBSITEShttp://www.joannakavenna.com/ BOOKS & OTHER RESOURCESZed – Joanna Kavenna (http://www.joannakavenna.com/zed/)We – Eugene Zamiatin (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/76171.We)Picnic Comma Lightning – Laurence Scott (https://amzn.to/4fKGnpW)History for Tomorrow – Roman Krznaric (https://amzn.to/3YOGtWI)Panel on AI ethics – https://royalinstitutephilosophy.org/event/is-ethical-ai-a-fantasy/ MUSIChttps://nathalienahai.hearnow.com/ CHAPTERS00:00 Exploring the Global Human Psyche05:52 Historical Context of Technology and Art11:54 Cognitive Liberty and Data Privacy17:30 The Role of Participatory Democracy23:09 The Future of Human Interaction with Technology30:21 The Humanization of AI and Its Implications36:52 Chaos, Control, and the Essence of Being Human43:07 The Dangers of Digital Gaslighting50:18 Legislative Change and the Fight for Digital Rights56:41 Surveillance Technology and Control01:03:41 The Future of Technology and Society

This week, I’m speaking with Elliott Young, the Chief Technology Officer at Dell Technologies for EMEA, whose role focuses on supporting chief experience officers in leveraging Generative AI for business results. Having been a pilot, a solutions architect, and a consultant, he now leads the development of cutting-edge AI and multicloud strategies to drive digital transformation across industries.With a focus on simplifying AI and cloud adoption within business transformations, Elliott and his team work to help companies of all sizes - from large enterprises to mid-sized organisations - not only to optimise and create a competitive advantage with Generative AI, but also to develop entirely new business models that embrace this technology.With all of the conferences I’ve had the privilege of speaking at this year, exploring the complex place at which promise and perils of AI meet the hopes and fears of humanity, I was excited to have this opportunity to dig into some of the business challenges and applications that AI offers us in this moment.I’m also delighted to say that I’ll be speaking on a panel at Dell Technologies Forum in London, on the 26th November, and I’d love it if you’d join me.If you’re curious about innovation and the role AI plays in driving technological advancements, or you want to learn more about how AI-integrated solutions can reveal deeper insights from data, enhance productivity and inspire new ways of doing business, this is for you.Join me in London on Tuesday the 26th November, where I’ll be bringing a humanistic perspective as to how we can harness AI in a way that enriches and supports our individual and collective agency, wellbeing and the flourishing of healthy organisational cultures.The link to register is in the shownotes below: https://bit.ly/DTF_NNSUMMARYIn this conversation, we explore the intersection of emerging technologies, particularly generative AI, and its implications for society, business, and governance. We discuss the rapid advancements in technology showcased at Gitex and the responsibilities of businesses in implementing these technologies responsibly, as well as the challenges of keeping up with the pace of change, ensuring oversight in complex systems, and navigating the Gartner hype cycle. As well as practical strategies organisations can adopt to effectively integrate AI into their operations, we also discuss the transformative potential of generative AI across various sectors, particularly healthcare, from the integration of AI in existing systems, to the role of robotic process automation, and the importance of resilience in digital infrastructures. KEY THEMES• Generative AI is reshaping how we think about technology and its applications.• Emerging technologies can enable communities to leapfrog traditional infrastructures.• The role of businesses in responsible tech is crucial for societal impact.• Organisations must prioritize ongoing education about AI for their employees.• Trusting employees with access to AI tools can foster innovation.• The Gartner hype cycle illustrates the fluctuating expectations of AI technologies.• Implementing 'hero AI' can demonstrate the potential of generative AI to employees.• Oversight mechanisms are necessary to ensure responsible AI usage.• Robotic process automation serves as a bridge for AI integration.• Organisations need robust backup plans for digital failures.• AI agents will transform job roles and responsibilities.WEBSITEShttps://bit.ly/DTF_NNBOOKS & OTHER RESOURCEShttps://www.gitex.com/MUSIChttps://nathalienahai.hearnow.com/CHAPTERS00:00 Emerging Technologies at Gitex03:10 The Global Human Psyche and AI06:04 Generative AI: Opportunities and Challenges08:55 Business Responsibilities in Tech11:45 Oversight and Transparency in AI15:08 The Hype Cycle of Generative AI18:00 Implementing AI in Organisations23:47 Exploring Generative AI in Business Processes30:03 The Role of AI in Crisis Management35:14 Navigating the Future of Work with AI41:40 Harnessing AI for Societal Benefits

Today I’m in conversation with Tami Rosen - a recognised thought leader, influencer and senior executive in HR, who has spent her career transforming the impact of Human Resources as a senior executive for some of the world’s most recognized companies, including Goldman Sachs, Apple, Luminar Technologies, Atlassian, and, most recently, Pagaya, where she currently holds the title of Chief People Officer and leads a dynamic workforce of over 750+ across Israel and the United States.Passionate about philanthropy, coaching, mentoring and helping the future generation of leaders, Tami embodies a leadership style steeped in inclusivity and innovation. She has pioneered groundbreaking initiatives focused on the advancement of underrepresented communities, from establishing Wall Street's inaugural, award-winning LGBTQ+ Ally Program at Goldman Sachs, to designing the framework for Atlassian's 'TEAM Anywhere' program that has redefined remote work paradigms. Her contribution to Pagaya is cemented in the company's foundational value: 'Culture of Learning,' which centralises learning and education in all aspects of the organisation.Tami's visionary perspective goes beyond viewing people as a company's most valuable asset; instead, she sees HR as a disruptive technology and innovative force that drives business operations and capabilities beyond the imaginable. Her forward-thinking approach positions HR as a catalyst for transformative change, shaping the future of organizations – which is exactly what drew me to speaking with her today.SUMMARYIn this conversation, we explore the importance of embracing change and fostering a culture of continuous learning within organisations. Tami also discusses the role of AI in enhancing financial inclusion, while acknowledging the challenges and ethical considerations that come with its implementation. The conversation touches on the significance of feedback, resilience, and the need for human connection in the workplace, ultimately framing flourishing as a personal journey guided by one's passions and adaptability.KEY THEMES·      Embracing change can lead to opportunities.·      Continuous learning is essential for personal and organizational growth.·      AI can enhance financial inclusion but comes with challenges.·      People strategy must align with business strategy for success.·      Feedback is a crucial tool for personal development.·      Resilience is built through learning from failures.·      Flourishing requires a clear sense of direction and control.·      Flexibility in work arrangements is increasingly expected.·      Music and the arts can provide solace and inspiration during tough times.WEBSITEShttps://pagaya.com/BOOKS & OTHER RESOURCESSong Exploder (Podcast) - https://bit.ly/4aQ3HAeMUSIChttps://nathalienahai.hearnow.com/CHAPTERS06:03 Challenges and Embracing Change12:02 Pagaya: Using AI to Make Financial Opportunities More Accessible16:06 Challenges and Pitfalls of AI in Finance21:27 AI's Impact on Creativity and Imagination24:12 Flourishing in a Time of Acceleration and Disruption27:03 The Impact of AI on Jobs and Business Longevity31:24 Mistakes Tech Companies Make in Business Longevity34:48 Creating Cultures that Enable People to Flourish37:19 Flexibility in Work Schedules39:00 Balancing Employee Care and Business Continuity39:41 Humanizing Tech and Setting Expectations40:43 Creating a Learning Culture42:33 Exploring AI and Embracing its Potential43:55 The Role of AI in Personal and Professional Growth46:48 The Value of Feedback and Self-Reflection48:18 Practices for Navigating Turmoil52:36 Orienting Towards Life and Beauty on Dark Days53:51 Finding Freedom in Music and Creativity54:54 Roots and Anchors: Family and Living Each Day

This week, I have the pleasure of interviewing Roman Krznaric, a social philosopher, writer, and public intellectual who writes about the power of ideas to create change. A former political scientist, Roman has become a leading voice in the realm of practical philosophy, urging individuals and societies to prioritise future generations in our decision-making.A Senior Research Fellow at Oxford University’s Centre for Eudaimonia and Human Flourishing, and co-founder of The School of Life, Roman is also the founder of the world’s first Empathy Museum, a series of participatory art projects dedicated to helping us look at the world through other people’s eyes.Renowned for his work on empathy and long-term thinking, Roman’s writing has been widely influential amongst political and ecological campaigners, education reformers, social entrepreneurs and designers, and he has been featured in major media outlets from the The Guardian and BBC to The New York Times.A member of the Club of Rome and a Research Fellow of the Long Now Foundation, Roman’s latest book, History for Tomorrow: Inspiration from the Past for the Future of Humanity (2024), explores how lessons from the past can inspire new ways of thinking about the future to guide more ethical, regenerative actions.I first came across Roman’s work a few years ago through his best-selling book, The Good Ancestor: How to Think Long Term in a Short-Term World (2020), and I found it so moving and capivating that I really wanted to bring him onto the show today to share his insights and vision with you.SUMMARYIn this conversation, we explore the interconnectedness of time and humanity, and the role of radical revolt and Asabiya in societal change. We discuss the impact of technology on social connections, the importance of biophilia, conviviality and crisis response, and the necessity of transformative change through disruptive movements. Our dialogue emphasises the need for hope, meaning, and the reweaving of social fabric in a rapidly changing world.KEY THEMES·      The global human psyche is interconnected with the planetary psyche.·      Understanding our relationship with time is crucial for societal progress.·      Radical revolts have historically led to significant societal changes.·      Technology can both exacerbate and alleviate societal issues.·      Reweaving social connections is essential for community resilience.·      Biophilia fosters a deeper connection with the living world.·      Crisis response is vital for navigating contemporary challenges.·      Disruptive movements are necessary for transformative change.·      Hope can be drawn from historical successes in overcoming crises.·      Meaningful life is built on relationships, autonomy, and purpose. WEBSITEShttps://www.romankrznaric.com/ BOOKS & OTHER RESOURCESHistory For Tomorrow – Roman Krznaric (https://www.romankrznaric.com/history-for-tomorrow)The Good Ancestor – Roman Krznaric (https://www.romankrznaric.com/good-ancestor)Carpe Diem – Roman Krznaric (https://www.romankrznaric.com/carpe-diem-regained)Time Rebels – VPRO Documentary (video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpmHKpyqpcU&ab_channel=vprodocumentary) MUSIChttps://nathalienahai.hearnow.com/ CHAPTERS00:00 Exploring the Global Human Psyche02:32 The Interconnectedness of Life05:36 Temporal Intelligence and Our Relationship with Time08:28 Radical Revolt and Societal Change11:33 The Role of Technology in Change14:48 Art and Creativity as Catalysts for Change17:50 Building Community and Social Fabric20:42 Biophilia and Crisis Response23:33 Hope and Action in the Face of Adversity26:47 Rituals and Anchors in Daily Life29:35 Reflections on Change and Belonging32:44 The Importance of Connection and Solidarity35:39 Navigating Change and Finding Purpose38:30 The Power of Disruption and Collective Action41:46 Lessons from History for Future Generations44:40 Final Thoughts on Being a Good Ancestor