The Protestant Libertarian Podcast

In this episode I talk with Christopher Chen, author of the brand-new book Evil Empire? Government Officials as Proponents of the Gospel in Luke-Acts and Beyond, out now on Wipf and Stock, where he argues that there is a place for believers to hold positions of power even in hostile governments. In this conversation Christopher explains how God’s people often attained positions of power in the Old Testament, how the original recipient of Luke-Acts, Theophilus, is likely a government official, the prominent role centurions and government officials play in Luke’s writings, and the New Testament evidence for government officials advancing the gospel. He then reviews the varying perspectives held by leaders in the early church about Christians in government service, how this has played out in Chinese history, and how Christians who find themselves as government officials today can navigate the complex relationship between their faith and their position in government.  Media Referenced:Evil Empire?: https://a.co/d/04y1sz9GChris on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/csychenBrother Kevin Chen on Messiah in the OT: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-152-the-old-testament-and-the-messiah-with-kevin-chen/ The Protestant Libertarian Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute and a part of the Christians For Liberty Network. The Libertarian Christian Institute can be found at www.libertarianchristians.com.Questions, comments, suggestions? Please reach out to me at theprotestantlibertarian@gmail.com.  You can also follow the podcast on Twitter: @prolibertypod, and YouTube, @ProLibertyPod, where you will get shorts and other exclusive video content. For more about the show, you can go to theprotestantlibertarianpodcast.com. If you like the show and want to support it, you can! Go to libertarianchristians.com, where you can donate to LCI and buy The Protestant Libertarian Podcast Merch! Also, please consider giving me a star rating and leaving me a review, it really helps expand the show’s profile! Thanks!

In this episode I talk once again with the great Dr. James McGrath, who has authored the brand-new Beyond Deconstruction: Building a More Expansive Faith, out now on Eerdmans, where he discusses the process of deconstruction, changing one’s mind about issues of faith, and how to rebuild. In this conversation James defines deconstruction, describes his own personal experience of spiritual transformation, the dangers of fundamentalism and the need to rebuild a faith which avoids the trappings of fundamentalism, and how dogma can become idolatrous. We then talk about the politics of deconstruction, his identity as a liberal Christian, why people generally deconstruct from the political right to the political left, and why we need to have better conversations about our differences.  Media Referenced:Beyond Deconstruction: https://a.co/d/08FTMyqWJames McGrath Blog: https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/James on Twitter: @ReligionProfJames on the Bible: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-104-what-biblical-scholars-want-everyone-to-know-about-the-new-testament-with-james-mcgrath/James on John the Baptist: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-134-john-the-baptist-with-james-mcgrath/James on Misunderstanding Judaism: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-230-why-we-misunderstand-judaism-with-james-mcgrath/  The Protestant Libertarian Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute and a part of the Christians For Liberty Network. The Libertarian Christian Institute can be found at www.libertarianchristians.com.Questions, comments, suggestions? Please reach out to me at theprotestantlibertarian@gmail.com.  You can also follow the podcast on Twitter: @prolibertypod, and YouTube, @ProLibertyPod, where you will get shorts and other exclusive video content. For more about the show, you can go to theprotestantlibertarianpodcast.com. If you like the show and want to support it, you can! Go to libertarianchristians.com, where you can donate to LCI and buy The Protestant Libertarian Podcast Merch! Also, please consider giving me a star rating and leaving me a review, it really helps expand the show’s profile! Thanks!

In this episode I talk about my goal for lent of taming my tongue. I discuss the controversy surrounding Lent and why sincere spiritual development should not be a cause for Christian division, how I intentionally work on growing in an area of weakness during Lent every year, and why I chose to focus on controlling my speech. I have been reading Ephesians 4:29 every day, which reads “Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear”. I challenge everyone to strive for spiritual growth. Enjoy! Media Referenced:Don’t Hate Your Enemies: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-227-dont-hate-your-enemies/ The Protestant Libertarian Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute and a part of the Christians For Liberty Network. The Libertarian Christian Institute can be found at www.libertarianchristians.com.Questions, comments, suggestions? Please reach out to me at theprotestantlibertarian@gmail.com.  You can also follow the podcast on Twitter: @prolibertypod, and YouTube, @ProLibertyPod, where you will get shorts and other exclusive video content. For more about the show, you can go to theprotestantlibertarianpodcast.com. If you like the show and want to support it, you can! Go to libertarianchristians.com, where you can donate to LCI and buy The Protestant Libertarian Podcast Merch! Also, please consider giving me a star rating and leaving me a review, it really helps expand the show’s profile! Thanks!

In this episode I talk with Gary DeMar, a Biblical scholar, long-time president of American Vision, and host of the Gary DeMar show. Gary discusses eschatology and economics. He explains his own eschatological perspective, preterism, which is the belief that many of the Biblical prophecies were fulfilled in the first century. We discuss the difference between partial and full preterism, Matthew 24 (and parallels) the antichrist of 1 and 2 John compared with the ‘man of lawlessness’ from 2 Thessalonians 2, Daniel and Revelation, and what the future holds for believers. Gary then explains why Christians should take economics seriously and why so many Christians misunderstand free market economics.  Media Referenced:American Vision Website: https://americanvision.org/Check out The Gary DeMar Show on all podcast platforms!Episode on the Antichrists: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-237-the-antichrists/ The Protestant Libertarian Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute and a part of the Christians For Liberty Network. The Libertarian Christian Institute can be found at www.libertarianchristians.com.Questions, comments, suggestions? Please reach out to me at theprotestantlibertarian@gmail.com.  You can also follow the podcast on Twitter: @prolibertypod, and YouTube, @ProLibertyPod, where you will get shorts and other exclusive video content. For more about the show, you can go to theprotestantlibertarianpodcast.com. If you like the show and want to support it, you can! Go to libertarianchristians.com, where you can donate to LCI and buy The Protestant Libertarian Podcast Merch! Also, please consider giving me a star rating and leaving me a review, it really helps expand the show’s profile! Thanks!

I had the flu and Streamyard defaulted to my computer microphone, so I apologize for my voice! In this episode I discuss Paul’s comments in Ephesians 1:15-23, particularly 1:20-22, that Jesus by virtue of his resurrection, ascension, and enthronement currently rules over all authorities and that the church shares in his cosmic victory. We discuss the major themes of Ephesians, particularly Christ and the church, and how Paul believes that those who have received the Spirit through faith in Israel’s Messiah are now members of God’s eschatological family. Jesus has already been installed as the cosmic king, and the list of powers over which Jesus is “far above” includes both earthy political rulers and malevolent spiritual powers. I look at two Greek terms Paul uses in Ephesians 1:21, arche and exousia, and show how their usage in other passages, notably 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 and Romans 13:1-3 clearly denote human political authorities. I conclude with some final thoughts about how the church must take Jesus’s enthronement over all powers seriously.   Media Referenced:Government as God’s Servant: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-243-government-is-gods-servant-romans-13-isaiah-10-and-jeremiah-25/Cody Cook on Paul and evil forces: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-245-galatians-41-7-and-deliverance-from-this-evil-age-with-cody-cook/  The Protestant Libertarian Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute and a part of the Christians For Liberty Network. The Libertarian Christian Institute can be found at www.libertarianchristians.com.Questions, comments, suggestions? Please reach out to me at theprotestantlibertarian@gmail.com.  You can also follow the podcast on Twitter: @prolibertypod, and YouTube, @ProLibertyPod, where you will get shorts and other exclusive video content. For more about the show, you can go to theprotestantlibertarianpodcast.com. If you like the show and want to support it, you can! Go to libertarianchristians.com, where you can donate to LCI and buy The Protestant Libertarian Podcast Merch! Also, please consider giving me a star rating and leaving me a review, it really helps expand the show’s profile! Thanks!

This episode is a recording of a debate I had with Jacob Winograd in the fall of 2025 about whether history or theology should take priority in Biblical interpretation. I argue that our starting point for Biblical exegesis must be the historical context of Scripture while Jacob defends the need to think about the text theologically. Both of us maintain that history and theology are important. Enjoy the conversation! Media Referenced:The Biblical Anarchy podcast: https://libertarianchristians.com/shows/biblical-anarchy/Jacob on X: @BiblicalAnarchyHistory and Biblical Interpretation with Drew Holland: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-226-history-and-biblical-interpretation-with-drew-holland/The Protestant Libertarian Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute and a part of the Christians For Liberty Network. The Libertarian Christian Institute can be found at www.libertarianchristians.com.Questions, comments, suggestions? Please reach out to me at theprotestantlibertarian@gmail.com.  You can also follow the podcast on Twitter: @prolibertypod, and YouTube, @ProLibertyPod, where you will get shorts and other exclusive video content. For more about the show, you can go to theprotestantlibertarianpodcast.com. If you like the show and want to support it, you can! Go to libertarianchristians.com, where you can donate to LCI and buy The Protestant Libertarian Podcast Merch! Also, please consider giving me a star rating and leaving me a review, it really helps expand the show’s profile! Thanks!

In this episode I explore the Parable of the Lost Sheep in Luke 15:1-7 in which Jesus, directly responding to his critics, explains how his audience would leave ninety-nine sheep in the pasture to find one who had wondered from the flock, rejoicing when the wayward sheep is found. Jesus isn’t telling a simple pastoral parable about God’s grace, but drawing on powerful imagery from the Old Testament prophets, particularly Jeremiah 23:1-2 and Ezekiel 34, about the wicked shepherds of Israel who had led God’s people astray and the promise that God would rescue his people from the curse of the covenant by sending a good shepherd, the promised son of David, to rescue the whole house of Israel. Luke believes the promises are being fulfilled in Jesus, the son of David bringing about the kingdom of God. I also discuss the need for Christians to keep wicked political leaders, modern false shepherds, at arm’s length and how the modern nation-state called ‘Israel’ only comprises members of two of the twelve tribes of Biblical Israel, meaning it is in no way a fulfillment of God’s promises in the prophets.  Media Referenced:Mark 10 and Political Assumptions: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-244-mark-10-wrecks-modern-economic-and-political-assumptions/ Government is God’s Servant: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-243-government-is-gods-servant-romans-13-isaiah-10-and-jeremiah-25/ Old Testament Prophecy w/ John Walton: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-109-understanding-old-testament-prophecy-with-john-walton/  The Protestant Libertarian Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute and a part of the Christians For Liberty Network. The Libertarian Christian Institute can be found at www.libertarianchristians.com.Questions, comments, suggestions? Please reach out to me at theprotestantlibertarian@gmail.com.  You can also follow the podcast on Twitter: @prolibertypod, and YouTube, @ProLibertyPod, where you will get shorts and other exclusive video content. For more about the show, you can go to theprotestantlibertarianpodcast.com. If you like the show and want to support it, you can! Go to libertarianchristians.com, where you can donate to LCI and buy The Protestant Libertarian Podcast Merch! Also, please consider giving me a star rating and leaving me a review, it really helps expand the show’s profile! Thanks!

In this episode I talk with Cody Cook about his new book Delivered from This Present Evil Age where he argues that Galatians 4:1-7 portrays Christ defeating the spiritual powers which enslave humanity and inaugurating a new creation in which ethnic, national, and political divisions are abolished through Jesus. He discusses the influence of the apocalyptic school of Pauline interpretation on his work, the importance of Paul’s opening statement in Galatians 1:3-4 that Jesus has “rescued us from this present evil age”, the wider context of Galatians, and how the stoicheia enslaved humanity before Christ. He then explains the dynamics of Galatians 4:1-7, the inauguration of the new creation, and its impact on Christian identity, revealing that Paul is effectively undercutting nationalism, ethnic divisions, and political identities. We then have a conversation about our differing interpretations of the Paul within Judaism and apocalyptic schools of Pauline interpretation and how we understand the role of the Law in the new creation.  Media Referenced:https://anarchistanabaptist.com/https://www.cantus-firmus.com/Cody on X: @CantusFirmusCCDelivered From the Evil Age of the Present: https://a.co/d/0gGK466vCody on Annihilationism: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-238-hell-yes-or-hell-no-annihilationism-vs-ect-with-cody-cook/ The Protestant Libertarian Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute and a part of the Christians For Liberty Network. The Libertarian Christian Institute can be found at www.libertarianchristians.com.Questions, comments, suggestions? Please reach out to me at theprotestantlibertarian@gmail.com.  You can also follow the podcast on Twitter: @prolibertypod, and YouTube, @ProLibertyPod, where you will get shorts and other exclusive video content. For more about the show, you can go to theprotestantlibertarianpodcast.com. If you like the show and want to support it, you can! Go to libertarianchristians.com, where you can donate to LCI and buy The Protestant Libertarian Podcast Merch! Also, please consider giving me a star rating and leaving me a review, it really helps expand the show’s profile! Thanks!

In this episode I explore the economic and political consequences of two passages in Mark 10. I explain how modern progressive and conservative Christians implicitly assume the nineteenth-century nation state model of political authoritarianism while undervaluing the role of the New Testament for ethical transformation. The church is supposed to be shaped by the teachings of Jesus, and we cannot explain them away. I return to the story of the Rich Young Ruler in Mark 10:17-27, showing how Jesus allows the man to walk away with his possessions. Jesus doesn’t follow after him or attempt to confiscate his property through political coercion but prophetically announces eschatological judgement. Modern Christians who want to follow Jesus should reject economic arrangements based  Media Referenced:Jesus and the Rich Young Ruler: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-105-jesus-and-the-rich-young-ruler/Helen Bond on Gospels as Biography: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-167-the-gospels-as-biography-with-helen-bond/Cornelis Bennema on Imitation: https://libertarianchristians.com/episode/ep-206-imitation-in-early-christianity-with-cornelis-bennema/ The Protestant Libertarian Podcast is a project of the Libertarian Christian Institute and a part of the Christians For Liberty Network. The Libertarian Christian Institute can be found at www.libertarianchristians.com.Questions, comments, suggestions? Please reach out to me at theprotestantlibertarian@gmail.com.  You can also follow the podcast on Twitter: @prolibertypod, and YouTube, @ProLibertyPod, where you will get shorts and other exclusive video content. For more about the show, you can go to theprotestantlibertarianpodcast.com. If you like the show and want to support it, you can! Go to libertarianchristians.com, where you can donate to LCI and buy The Protestant Libertarian Podcast Merch! Also, please consider giving me a star rating and leaving me a review, it really helps expand the show’s profile! Thanks!

A theological reassessment of Romans 13, focusing on its function within Paul’s messianic framework. Discussion of how Isaiah and Jeremiah call pagan empires "servants of God" only temporarily. Examination of Davidic promises and how pagan rulers are instruments who will be judged. Practical angle: live peaceably under passing authorities while prioritizing Christ’s lasting kingship.