Next in Media

Next in Marketing spoke with Erica Patrick SVP, Director of Paid Social Media at Mediahub Worldwide about why platforms like Meta and Snap are suddenly struggling, thanks to Apple's new ID rules, and TikTok stealing everyone's thunder. Patrick also talked about the state of brand safety on social media, and whether marketers will ever be able to fully have control over where their ads run. Guest: Erica PatrickHost: Mike Shields

Next in Marketing spoke with Adam Gerber, Executive Director, US Investment Strategy · GroupM and Mike Fisher, VP, Advanced TV & Audio at Essence about how they discovered that many streaming services were running tons of ads even after people's TV sets are turned off. It turns out that brands could be wasting millions of dollars sending ads to devices that no one is watching, even as the CTV ad market explodes. It's a fascinating problem and one without a simple fix. Guests: Adam Gerber and Mike FisherHost: Mike Shields

Next in Marketing spoke to Ryan Pauley Chief Revenue Officer at Vox Media on the contradictions he's seeing in the current ad market, and why some publishers might be struggling. Ryan also talked about why he thinks brands still haven't made a decision on a cookie alternative, and why the company is leaning in on some social platforms while potentially pulling back on others. Guest: Ryan PauleyHost: Mike Shields

Next in Marketing spoke with Ed Davis President, Product & Operations at OpenAP about how the media venture - jointly owned by NBCUniversal, Paramount, Warner Discovery and others - has rolled out a series of news products, including a centralized data hub, an identity framework and a measurement tool - all aimed at helping marketers better target consumers, while reducing waste in their media spending (so people stop seeing the same ads again and again). Guest: Ed DavisHost: Mike Shields

Next in Marketing spoke with Radha Subramanyam, President and Chief Research and Analytics Officer, CBS about the importance of data fidelity in TV research, and why neither census-based or panel based solutions have all the answers. For example, Subramanyam talked about how existing methodologies may be undercounting HIspanic American audiences and other demographics that still access TV over the air - while overstating just how many households are streaming first. Guest: Radha SubramanyamHost: Mike Shields

Next in Marketing spoke with two of the TV ad industry's leading advocates for change, Kelly Abcarian EVP, Measurement & Impact at NBCUniversal Media and Travis Scoles SVP, Advanced Advertising at Paramount. Both Abcarian and Scoles talked about how urgently brands need to shift their thinking when it comes to how they measure TV campaigns, and why legacy planning and modeling tools will soon be obsolete. Each executive also had a different take on whether marketers will ultimately be able to purchase TV ads based on guaranteed brand outcomes. Guests: Kelly Abcarian and Travis ScolesHost: Mike Shields

Next in Marketing spoke with Brad Feinberg, NA VP of Media and Consumer Engagement at Molson Coors about how the beverage giant is grappling with trying to reach younger (21+) drinkers who are turning away from not just traditional TV but even live sports. Feinberg urged the biggest players in TV to make it easier to reach more targeting audiences across streaming platforms by working together- rather than leaning on proprietary data solutions. Guest: Brad FeinbergHost: Mike Shields

Next in Marketing chatted with Doug Rozen CEO of dentsu Media in the Americas, about the notion that some of the major ad holding companies may need to come to agreement on new standards and definitions in order to move advanced TV advertising forward. Specifically, Rozen theorized that the buy side may need to match the efforts of OpenAP, a joint venture between NBCUniversal, Paramount and others - or even join them. In addition, Rozen talked about why he believes that once TV figures out currency, measuring attention will become the next battleground. Guest: Doug RozenHost: Mike Shields

Next in Marketing spoke with Meg Ciarallo VP of Brand and Consumer Marketing at Bolt about how the well-funded retail tech startup is taking a DTC strategy to television advertising, and why she has little interest in discussions over upfront rates, GRPs and currency wars. Guest: Meg CiaralloHost: Mike Shields

Next in Marketing spoke with Amy Ginsberg Chief Investment Officer at Havas Media Group about the state of the video ad market, and the ongoing challenges stemming from fragmentation. Ginsberg is hoping that measurement and buying become much simpler and less siloed - but has doubts about how quickly that will become a reality. In the meantime Ginsberg talked about why she remains a somewhat reluctant upfront participant. Guest: Amy GinsbergHost: Mike Shields