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Jonathan & Brad explore the world of Financial Independence. They discuss reducing expenses, crushing debt, building passive income streams through online businesses and real estate. How to pay off debt, Crush your grocery bill and travel the world for free. No topic is too big or small as long as it speeds up the process of reaching financial independence.
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Apr 18, 2022 • 55min
Natural Remedies, Startup Economics, and Financial Literacy A to Z
Why do WeWork, brain freeze, and your kid's financial future have anything in common? More than you'd think.
Brad and Jonathan tackle an eclectic mix of listener questions—from quirky natural remedies to the cautionary tale of a startup hemorrhaging $2.1 million daily. But the real story here is the foundation it builds toward: teaching the next generation to earn, spend, save, borrow, and protect their money before the stakes get real. Whether you're hunting for a high savings rate strategy or just wondering if pressing your tongue to the roof of your mouth actually works, this mashup ties it together with one thread: taking control before life forces your hand.
Key Topics
Natural Remedies and Curiosities
Alleviating brain freeze by pressing your tongue against the roof of your mouth [00:01:55]
Completing a sneeze by staring at a bright light
Stopping hiccups by drinking water with your chin down [00:05:29]
WeWork Economics
Overview of WeWork's financial struggles and burn rate of $2.1 million per day [00:07:12]
Discussion on unsustainable business models focused on growth without profitability
Financial Literacy Foundations
Five key components: earning, spending, saving, borrowing, and protecting [00:45:00]
Childhood financial education and teaching these principles early [00:14:53]
Saving Strategies
Recommendations for achieving a 50% savings rate to secure financial stability [00:26:11]
The role of expense optimization in increasing savings and fostering long-term thinking
Automation in Finance
Advantages of automating finances to reduce stress and enhance money management [00:33:09]
Long-term Investing Mindset
Viewing investments as ownership in companies rather than gambling in the stock market
Chapters
[00:00:00] Introduction to Natural Remedies
[00:06:22] WeWork Economics Discussion
[00:12:34] The Importance of Financial Literacy
[00:35:42] Saving and Investing Strategies
[00:54:09] Conclusion and Call to Action
Resources
ChooseFI Foundation for Financial Literacy Curriculum [00:16:30]
Financial Literacy A to Z
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Apr 10, 2022 • 40min
372 | Tax Extensions and Capital Gains Tax Strategy
Most people think losses from last year can erase this year's tax bill — they can't. Tax years are hermetically sealed. If you sold a huge winner in 2016 and then watched your portfolio tank in 2017, those losses won't rewind the clock on what you owe. Brad and Jonathan break down this costly misconception and walk through the essential mechanics of capital gains, quarterly estimated payments, and filing extensions — especially critical if you're self-employed or running a small business.
Key Topics Discussed
Tax Deadline Approaching [00:01:10]
Preparing for the April tax deadline and what to prioritize.
Understanding Capital Gains and Losses [00:05:52]
Losses in one year cannot offset gains from a previous year. Each tax year stands alone.
Filing Extensions [00:21:28]
How to file Form 4868 for an extension. Critical detail: the extension buys you time to file, not time to pay.
Estimated Tax Payments [00:24:40]
Quarterly estimated payments are required for self-employed individuals and small business owners. Strategies to avoid penalties.
Safe Harbor for Estimated Payments [00:35:55]
Meeting safe harbor guidelines prevents underpayment penalties. Payment options and rules for high-income taxpayers.
Key Quotes
"Always save a portion of your gains for taxes." [00:12:00]
"A blessing can quickly turn into a curse if taxes aren't managed properly." [00:20:05]
"Avoid underpayment penalties: pay 90% of your current year's tax." [00:35:55]
"Don't let tax liabilities surprise you. Plan ahead." [00:13:45]
"Quarterly estimated payments are essential for small business owners." [00:24:30]
Action Items
Start setting aside funds for your taxes now. [00:12:00]
File for an extension using Form 4868 if needed. [00:23:36]
Make quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid penalties. [00:24:40]
Resources
IRS Form 4868
EFTPS (Electronic Federal Tax Payment System): www.eftps.gov
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Apr 3, 2022 • 46min
371 | Why Does the Stock Market Go Up?
Most investors never ask why Tesla trades at a higher valuation than Ford despite selling far fewer cars. Understanding that puzzle is the first step to making smarter investment decisions.
Brian Quartuccio (Feraldi) joins Jonathan and Brad to break down stock market fundamentals from his book Why Does the Stock Market Go Up?. The conversation covers how major indexes like the Dow Jones and S&P 500 actually work, what market capitalization really means, and why time is the most powerful tool in an investor's arsenal.
Timestamped Summary of Key Topics:
[00:00:00] Introduction to Stock Market Basics
Jonathan introduces the episode's focus on understanding the mechanics behind stock market investing.
[00:10:12] The Dow Jones Industrial Average Explained
Brian discusses the Dow's history, its formula based on share price, and how it evolved over time to reflect broader market changes.
[00:12:05] Understanding Market Capitalization
Explanation of market capitalization and its importance in valuation, contrasting the Dow's method with the S&P 500's market cap weighting.
[00:18:34] Comparison of Tesla and Ford's Valuation
Analysis contrasting Tesla and Ford's valuations using price-to-sales ratios, highlighting market sentiment and future growth potential.
[00:40:31] The Role of Index Funds
Insights into index funds, their purpose, and how understanding the companies behind them can enhance investment decisions.
[00:46:20] Conclusion and Book Promotion
Wrap-up with a promotion for Brian's book, emphasizing its educational value for investors at all levels.
Key Takeaways:
Stocks = Fractional Ownership
Buying a stock means owning a tiny portion of a company, providing a claim on its assets and future profitability. [00:36:01]
The Importance of Time in Investing
Holding investments long-term significantly increases the likelihood of positive returns; historical data shows a 100% success rate when holding the S&P 500 for 20 years. [00:43:47]
Market Capitalization Understanding
An investor's perception is often shaped by a company's market cap rather than just its stock price; understanding how many shares are outstanding is crucial. [00:11:01]
Resources:
Book: Why Does the Stock Market Go Up? [00:46:06]
Related Episode: Understanding Index Funds [00:35:00]
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Mar 28, 2022 • 55min
370 | How to Set and Timeline Financial Goals
Most people think they need bigger savings goals, but what if you're chasing the wrong finish line entirely?
Joe Saul-Sehy, host of Stacking Benjamins, challenges the default financial playbook by revealing how goal setting goes wrong. Instead of accepting conventional wisdom about retirement and college funds, he makes a case for visualizing your goals on a timeline—a simple shift that prevents resources from competing against each other.
The deeper issue isn't about having goals; it's about knowing whether they're actually yours. Joe introduces a method of asking "What else?" repeatedly to uncover what you truly want, separate from societal expectations. This prevents the comparison trap that leaves people perpetually dissatisfied despite making progress.
Understanding Goal Setting [00:11:00]
Clarifying personal goals requires continuously asking "What else?" to uncover deeper aspirations beyond surface-level answers. Investments should align with personal goals rather than following generic advice.
Visualizing Your Financial Goals [00:09:36]
Creating a visual representation of financial goals on a timeline helps understand how different goals compete for resources. This brings clarity and minimizes the chance of losing sight of what matters.
The Impact of Comparison on Goals [00:12:00]
Focus on personal progress over societal benchmarks. As Joe notes, "Avoid the comparison trap to find true happiness in your financial journey." [00:12:18]
Practical Strategies for Goal Setting [00:15:30]
Regular goal reassessment keeps them aligned with personal values. Setting automatic savings simplifies goal achievement without requiring ongoing effort.
Key Quotes:
"Keep asking yourself, 'What else do I want?' to uncover true financial goals." [00:09:29]
"Define your destination to achieve real clarity in your financial goals." [00:10:54]
"Ensure your investment aligns with your personal goals for maximum effectiveness." [00:11:49]
Action Steps:
Create a visual representation of your goals using a whiteboard or paper [00:07:36]
Set up automatic savings for your financial goals [00:15:10]
Regularly reassess your goals to keep them aligned with your evolving circumstances [00:30:18]
Resources:
Stacked Book - Joe Saul-Sehy's new book
Stacking Benjamins Podcast
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Mar 21, 2022 • 47min
369 | Goal Setting for Financial Independence Part 2
Walking into your backyard only to discover the biggest stump you've ever seen blocking your garden project—sound familiar? That moment when an obstacle feels immovable mirrors every financial roadblock we've ever faced. But what if the problem isn't the obstacle itself, but how we choose to see it?
This conversation explores how clarity transforms our approach to financial independence. Rather than fixating on distant targets like a specific net worth number, the hosts examine what happens when we shift our attention to the inputs we control: our savings rate, our spending decisions, and the systems we build. Through the metaphor of a stubborn tree stump and insights on mindset, they illustrate how incremental progress and intentional action create momentum toward financial freedom.
The discussion covers the difference between goals and systems, the concept of locus of control, and why focusing on what we can influence reduces stress while increasing progress. They also explore how the FI community's emphasis on values-based spending helps us opt out of societal expectations and redefine success on our own terms.
Key Topics
Introduction to Clarity and Goal Setting [00:00:00]
Discussion on Obstacles [00:04:59]
Mindset and Manifestation [00:08:27]
Systems vs Goals [00:12:25]
Practical Steps to Financial Independence [00:24:09]
Key Takeaways
Focus on Clarity: Understanding what you want in life and finances is crucial. [00:17:41]
Break Down Goals: Turn larger goals into smaller, manageable tasks. [00:24:17]
Control Your Inputs: Managing your inputs, such as savings rates, positively affects your outcomes. [00:20:14]
Action Items
Identify one area of your life where you can reduce clutter and focus on what matters. [00:01:05]
Commit to tracking your savings rate for a month to identify spending habits. [00:24:09]
Engage with the FI community and share your journey toward clarity and goals. [00:46:01]
Notable Quotes
"You become and you manifest what you think about the most." [00:08:27]
"Whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're right." [00:10:35]
"How does it serve you to focus on the negative?" [00:41:06]
"You can opt out of those expectations." [00:04:59]
Terminology
Locus of Control [00:08:27]
The degree to which individuals believe they can control events affecting them.
Aggregation of Marginal Gains [00:36:24]
The concept of improving many small aspects of life to achieve significant overall improvement.
PMI (Property Mortgage Insurance) [00:32:11]
Insurance that protects the lender if the borrower defaults on the loan, typically required when down payments are less than 20%.
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Mar 14, 2022 • 43min
368 | Goal Setting for Financial Independence Part 1
Most people assume "decluttering" means throwing out old clothes. Brad Barrett and Jonathan Mendonsa argue it's actually your ticket to financial independence — and the first step has nothing to do with your closet.
Clarity and goal setting are essential for achieving financial independence. The episode explores decluttering, de-noising, and de-stressing to foster a clearer mindset. Brad and Jonathan discuss the importance of long-term thinking through various metaphors, notably planting trees for future benefits. They emphasize the dangers of distractions such as social media, arguing that winning trivial arguments online adds unnecessary stress. Instead, focusing on relationships that uplift and inspire, and thoughtfully decluttering personal and financial aspects of life can lead to greater peace and effectiveness. Practical advice is provided, such as using tools like Todoist for task management and signing up for DMA Choice to reduce junk mail. This conversation sets the stage for cultivating a lifestyle centered around financial independence with less noise and more clarity.
Key Takeaways
Clarity is Key: Decluttering your life, both physically and mentally, enhances clarity and focus.
Long-Term Thinking: Use metaphors like planting trees to understand delayed gratification; actions today impact future results.
Manage Stress: Identify distractions, especially from social media, that add unnecessary stress to your life.
Focus on Relationships: Surround yourself with uplifting individuals and limit time with toxic relationships.
Practical Tools: Utilize tools like Todoist for task management and sign up for DMA Choice to reduce junk mail.
Chapters
[00:00:00] Introduction to Clarity and Goal Setting
[00:03:00] The Importance of Long-Term Thinking
[00:12:00] Decluttering Your Life: Methods to simplify your physical and digital space.
[00:23:00] Building a Peaceful Environment: Strategies for creating uplifting spaces and limiting toxic relationships.
[00:41:00] Action Items and Resources: Recap of practical tools and resources offered in the episode.
Key Quotes
"The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is today." [00:02:56]
"The true meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not expect to sit." [00:05:09]
"If it's not a hell yes, it's a no." [00:40:10]
"What is your locus of control?" — Focus on what you can influence to enhance your life. [00:07:34]
"You can opt out of the BS that everybody else puts up with because you're not playing the same game as them." [00:22:01]
Action Items
Sign up for DMA Choice to reduce junk mail. [00:30:11]
Begin using a task management tool to simplify daily tasks. [00:13:32]
Terminology
Locus of Control: The degree to which individuals believe they can control events affecting them. [00:07:34]
Alligators and Kittens: A metaphor for stressors (alligators) and joy-bringers (kittens) in life. [00:09:18]
Inbox Zero: The practice of keeping your email inbox empty or close to empty. [00:36:07]
Related Resources
ChooseFI Declutter Article [00:14:58]
Related Episodes
The Happy Philosopher (/048) [00:09:01]
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Mar 7, 2022 • 44min
367 | How to Calculate Your FI Number: Retirement Planning Basics
Most retirement calculators are lying to you—they base your FI number on income, not on what you actually spend. Brad and Jonathan break down why this matters and how to fix it.
If you spend $40,000 annually, you need $1 million to retire comfortably using the 4% withdrawal rule. That's your real FI number—not some inflated figure based on replacing your current salary. The hosts walk through the math, expose common calculator flaws, and explain why understanding your actual expenses (including taxes and insurance) is the foundation of any realistic retirement plan.
The discussion also covers financial advice for recent graduates: start 401(k) contributions immediately, avoid charging more on credit cards than you can pay off monthly, and resist lifestyle inflation. A high savings rate from the beginning compounds over decades, making early career choices disproportionately powerful.
Key Takeaways
Understanding Your FI Number: Your FI number is determined by your actual annual expenses. Spending $40,000 per year means aiming for a $1 million FI number.
Starting 401(k) Contributions Early: Begin contributions with your first paycheck to maximize growth through compounding and employer matching.
Avoid Lifestyle Inflation: Maintaining a modest lifestyle significantly increases your savings rate.
Chapters
[00:00:12] Introduction and Episode Overview
[00:01:05] Audience Feedback Interaction
[00:07:01] Understanding Annual Expenses
[00:08:22] Common Misconceptions with Retirement Calculators — Traditional retirement calculators often rely on current income rather than actual expenses.
[00:32:09] Financial Lessons for College Graduates
Key Quotes
"Understand your FI number through your expenses." [00:20:03]
"High savings rates lead to financial security." [00:41:06]
"Keep your lifestyle in check to boost savings!" [00:41:45]
Action Items
Calculate your annual expenses accurately to set your FI number. [00:20:03]
Start 401(k) contributions early in your career. [00:33:17]
Develop a personal budgeting system to track expenses and savings. [00:41:06]
Terminology
FI number: The amount of money needed to retire, typically calculated by multiplying annual expenses by 25. [00:20:03]
Retirement calculator: Tools used to estimate savings needs based on income and expenses. [00:08:22]
Flexible spending rules: Strategies that allow spending adjustments based on market conditions and personal circumstances. [00:32:28]
Related Resources
Episode 176: Flexible Spending Rules
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Feb 28, 2022 • 44min
366 | Mindset Shifts for Financial Independence Success
Most people think of financial independence as an escape plan—but what if you're running toward nothing once you break free?
Brad and Jonathan examine a less-discussed vulnerability in the FI journey: the concept of "day zero," the moment you first recognize your desire for financial independence and set clear intentions. Rather than defaulting to the standard corporate ladder mentality, they advocate for a personalized approach where listeners define their own paths toward financial independence and personal fulfillment.
The conversation centers on accountability practices—journaling, setting systems rather than mere goals—to sustain motivation during life's changing phases. Through personal anecdotes and behavioral insights, the hosts challenge listeners to reflect on their values and make meaningful changes that align with their financial independence journey.
Key Topics Discussed:
Introduction to Financial Independence [00:00:00]
Favorite Days & Personal Insights [00:01:05]
Recognizing Day Zero [00:17:03]
Importance of Accountability [00:22:49]
Key Takeaways:
Define Your Motivations:
Reflect on what financial independence looks like for you and recognize your 'day zero.'
Journaling for Clarity:
Utilize journaling or audio journaling to clarify thoughts and maintain accountability throughout your journey. [00:28:12]
Shift from Goals to Systems:
Focus on creating sustainable systems that support your financial aspirations rather than just setting rigid goals.
Notable Quotes:
"Financial independence is about envisioning what you're running towards, not just escaping the rat race." [00:12:49]
"Setting your path towards financial independence requires understanding the behavioral psychology behind your decisions." [00:18:10]
"Maintaining intention is crucial for success in any behavior or skill acquisition." [00:22:44]
"Without corporate priorities dictating your life, you can redefine what truly matters to you." [00:14:49]
"Journaling your thoughts can clarify your goals and keep you accountable for your progress." [00:28:12]
Related Resources:
Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder Letter [00:02:40]
Episode on Paying Off Credit Card Debt: ChooseFI.com/115R [00:41:49]
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Feb 21, 2022 • 42min
365 | Work-Life Balance and Financial Independence
Why does every Super Bowl commercial seem designed to make you feel like your life isn't enough? Jonathan and Brad dissect this year's big game ads—from Coinbase's minimalist QR code to Matthew McConaughey's latest pitch—and uncover a troubling pattern: brands selling escapism to people who've been conditioned to hate their daily reality.
The conversation pivots from advertising critique to a more fundamental question: what if you built a life you didn't need to escape from? Instead of accepting that work weeks demand weekend binges and vacation fantasies, the hosts explore how engaging with your immediate environment—nature, community, simple outdoor time—can replace the manufactured need for constant distraction.
Super Bowl Commercials and Consumer Culture
[00:03:00] - The hosts examine memorable commercials from the Super Bowl, including Coinbase's simple QR code ad that drove massive engagement despite its minimalist approach.
Escapism vs. Intentional Living
[00:10:00] - Jonathan poses the central question: "What if you didn't need to escape?" They explore how escapism responds to stressful lifestyles, while advocating for creating fulfilling lives that don't require constant distraction.
The Look Outside Test
[00:12:00] - Brad introduces a framework for assessing your real-life environment versus the negative portrayal in media, encouraging listeners to find joy in their immediate surroundings.
The Impact of Nature and Community
[00:39:00] - Discussion shifts to the benefits of engaging with nature and community, highlighting how these interactions enhance mental health and overall well-being.
Key Quotes:
"What if you could build a life you don't need to escape from?" [00:10:46]
"Prioritize living instead of merely existing to avoid wasting your best years." [00:37:12]
"Financial independence leads to discovering harmony in life." [00:39:34]
"Choose optimism: we're capable of crafting a better reality instead of succumbing to despair." [00:11:35]
"Empower your life through decisions that nurture your family and self." [00:17:06]
Action Items:
Spend time outdoors to improve mental health and well-being [00:12:00]
Make conscious choices that reflect your values rather than falling into consumerism traps [00:18:36]
Set aside time to connect with family through gardening or outdoor activities [00:35:08]
Key Concepts:
Escapism [00:10:46] - The tendency to seek distraction or relief from unpleasant realities, often through activities like shopping or entertainment.
The Look Outside Test [00:12:00] - A framework for assessing the world outside your immediate context, recognizing the inherent goodness and joy in life rather than accepting media's negative portrayal.
Living Intentionally [00:18:36] - Making conscious choices that align with your values and lifestyle goals rather than succumbing to defaults set by society.
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Feb 14, 2022 • 52min
What's All The Hoopla About?
Most people don't realize how exposed their digital life is until it's too late. Brad experienced a ransomware attack firsthand, and his story offers crucial lessons on protecting yourself from similar threats.
Financial resilience involves preparing for unexpected events like medical emergencies and cyberattacks. Brad shares his recent experience with a ransomware attack, emphasizing the importance of cybersecurity and backup systems for protecting data. Both Jonathan and Brad discuss innovative ways to utilize library resources for free audiobooks, including services like Hoopla and Overdrive. They explore the concept of being okay with doing nothing as a bold move, highlighting the need to balance productivity with relaxation. The conversation shifts to managing personal finances amidst inflation, touching on the implications of locking in low mortgage rates and the potential benefits of extra principal payments. They also cover the importance of controlling expenses and maintaining a long-term perspective on financial health.
Chapters
[00:00:00] Introduction and Financial Resilience
[00:01:27] Brad's Cybersecurity Experience
[00:06:33] Using Library Resources for Audiobooks
[00:12:06] The Concept of Doing Nothing
[00:36:06] Inflation and Mortgage Strategies
Key Points
Brad's Cybersecurity Experience [00:01:27]
Brad recounts a ransomware attack, emphasizing the need for data backups and security measures. Implement offline backups and improve cybersecurity.
Using Library Resources for Audiobooks [00:06:33]
Explore free audiobook services like Hoopla and Overdrive available through local libraries. Use library apps to access free content.
The Concept of Doing Nothing [00:12:06]
Discussion on the necessity of downtime and relaxation in our productivity-driven culture. Allow yourself to do nothing to foster personal growth.
Inflation and Mortgage Strategies [00:36:06]
Importance of controlling expenses in times of rising inflation. Discussion on the potential benefits of making extra payments on mortgages. Consider making extra payments to secure financial stability.
Key Quotes
Brad: "Focus on what you can control." [00:39:11]
Jonathan: "Maximize your life enjoyment, not just your wealth." [00:46:06]
Brad: "No prize exists for being the wealthiest in the graveyard." [00:46:05]
Action Items
Check your online security settings and back up your data [00:03:51]
Explore library apps for free access to audiobooks and eBooks [00:06:33]
Consider making extra payments on your mortgage for financial security [00:40:01]
Related Resources
Die With Zero by Bill Perkins [00:28:35]
The Happy Body by Jersey Gregorick: https://thehappybody.com/ [00:20:27]
Terminology
Ransomware - A type of malicious software that encrypts a victim's files and demands payment for the decryption key [00:01:45]
I-bonds - Inflation-linked savings bonds issued by the U.S. government that offer a fixed rate plus an inflation rate [00:40:45]
Anti-fragile - A concept describing systems that gain strength or resilience from volatility and disruption [00:49:30]
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