Murder With My Husband

Payton and Garrett uncover the story of a California family whose planned trip to Hawaii takes an unsettling turn when the parents suddenly go silent. What follows is a haunting mystery clouded by secrets and unanswered questions. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: PleasontonWeekly.com - https://www.pleasantonweekly.com/news/2011/05/20/scherer-sentenced-to-two-consecutive-life-sentences/ SFGate.com - https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Ernest-Scherer-III-guilty-of-killing-parents-2377392.php TheCinemaholic.com - https://thecinemaholic.com/ernest-and-charlene-scherer-murders-where-is-ernie-scherer-now/ Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/in-ice-cold-blood/crime-news/ernie-scherer-parents-murder-gambling-debts CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-behind-the-scenes-of-the-ernie-scherer-murder-investigation/ PokerTube.com - https://www.pokertube.com/article/808-poker-pro-ernie-scherer-loses-appeal-on-murder-conviction Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On this episode, Garrett and Payton uncover the case of Jennifer Ramsaran - a wife and mother whose obsession with online gaming began to unravel her real-world life. When she suddenly vanishes after going to the mall, investigators are left racing to piece together the chilling truth behind her disappearance. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/dateline-unforgettable/crime-news/ganesh-remy-ramsaran-killed-wife-jennifer-ramsaran NBCNews.com - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-overturns-murder-case-lawyer-google-interview-rcna138877 NBC.com - https://www.nbc.com/nbc-insider/bombshell-new-story-told-about-murdered-jennifer-ramsaran Syracuse.com - https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2024/02/central-ny-engineer-twice-found-guilty-of-killing-his-wife-to-speak-out-on-dateline.html Yahoo.com - https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/articles/prison-easy-man-killed-wife-000034461.html CNYCentral.com - https://cnycentral.com/news/local/judge-orders-new-trial-for-man-convicted-in-wifes-2012-killing-in-chenango-county-ganesh-remy-ramsaran-jennifer-ramsaran-ibm-manager WNBF.com - https://wnbf.com/ganesh-ramsaran/ PressConnects.com - https://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/public-safety/2017/10/12/appeals-court-decides-against-reversing-ramsaran-murder-conviction/757151001/ Dateline NBC - https://podcasts.happyscribe.com/dateline-nbc/the-perfect-life Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A student's life is cut short, setting off a desperate chase that crossed borders and stunned investigators. What began as a quiet night soon spiraled into an international hunt for a killer. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: Newsweek.com - https://www.newsweek.com/nursing-student-haley-anderson-murder-update-ex-boyfriend-arrested-nicaragua-843979 People.com - https://people.com/crime/haley-anderson-nursing-student-strangled/ Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/orlando-tercero-found-guilty-of-murdering-haley-anderson DailyMail.co.uk - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8255653/Friends-slain-nursing-student-22-reveal-body-using-Friends-app.html ABCNews.go.com - https://abcnews.go.com/US/nicaraguan-police-arrest-boyfriend-binghamton-nursing-students-death/story?id=53725177 Medium.com - https://medium.com/no-time/the-case-of-haley-anderson-ee8b5bac4599 ChillingCrimes.com - https://www.chillingcrimes.com/blogs/news/haley-anderson EntertainmentNow.com - https://entertainmentnow.com/news/haley-anderson-orlando-tercero/ Vocal.Media - https://vocal.media/criminal/the-murder-of-haley-anderson SpectrumLocalNews.com - https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/public-safety/2019/11/15/orlando-tercero-gets-maximum-sentence-in-murder-of-binghamton-nursing-student BBC.com - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43406391 CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/haley-anderson-murder-binghamton-university-crime-scene-evidence/ PressConnects.com - https://www.pressconnects.com/story/news/local/2019/11/01/orlando-tercero-found-guilty-murder-haley-anderson/4107653002/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On this episode, Payton and Garrett dive into the case of Forrest Hayes, a former Google executive who was living the dream, until one decision turned into his worst nightmare. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: KSBW.com - https://www.ksbw.com/article/alix-tichelman-reveals-her-story-after-google-executives-death/21756704 ABC7Chicago.com - https://abc7chicago.com/post/high-tech-mogul-murdered-by-prostitute-in-santa-cruz/172076/ LATimes.com - https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-google-exec-heroin-overdose-memorialized-20140709-story.html NYPost.com - https://nypost.com/2018/06/27/prostitute-convicted-in-google-execs-overdose-death-charged/ USAToday.com - https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/07/09/google-exec-hayes-killed-by-call-girl/12422797/ ABC30.com - https://abc30.com/post/prostitute-who-gave-google-exec-fatal-drug-shot-is-deported/1847902/ ABC7News.com - https://abc7news.com/post/prostitute-in-google-execs-death-may-be-deported/1839477/ CNN.com - https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/10/us/alix-catherine-tichelman NBCNews.com - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/google-exec-model-silicon-valley-after-dark-n153241 The Sacramento Bee - https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article213916554.html TheGuardian.com - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/19/california-woman-jailed-google-executive-overdose-death ABCNews.go.com- https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/call-girl-accused-death-google-exec-wrote-facebook/story?id=24490129 CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-forrest-hayes-case-kiss-of-death-and-the-google-exec/ HuffPost.com - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/timothy-hayes-death-heroin_b_5627673 Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/call-girl-killer-Alix-Tichelman-faces-extradition-from-canada-to-face-new-murder-charge Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

During a spring break getaway, a teenage girl disappeared suddenly, leaving behind only puzzling clues of her last steps. Links:  Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources:Live5News.com - https://www.live5news.com/2022/11/03/documents-nose-ring-contact-lens-hair-found-scene-brittanee-drexels-remains/ ABCNews.go.com - https://abcnews.go.com/US/mothers-13-year-journey-justice-exclusive-fbi-investigation/story?id=105206457#:~:text=He%20then%20took%20investigators%20to,identified%20through%20her%20dental%20records People.com - https://people.com/convicted-killer-girlfriend-hunting-victim-brittanee-drexel-8777291 CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/raymond-moody-life-sentence-murder-brittanee-drexel-2009-vacation-south-carolina/ Wikipedia.com -  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Brittanee_Drexel MyHorryNews.com - https://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/waiting-for-brittanee-drexel-mother-thinks-missing-daughter-was-trafficked/article_1fcd7134-0055-11e4-b157-0017a43b2370.html DemocratAndChronicle.com - https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2025/06/13/brittanee-drexel-case-featured-fatal-destination-episode-investigation-discovery-time-date/84112884007/ Justice.gov - https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/pr/georgetown-woman-sentenced-18-years-lying-fbi-during-brittanee-drexel-investigation 13Wham.com - https://13wham.com/news/local/raymond-moody-claims-angel-vause-was-present-during-brittanee-drexel-rochester-teen-chili-ny-rape-murder-myrtle-beach-south-carolina-georgetown-charleston-spring-break-april-2009-kidnapping WBTW.com - https://www.wbtw.com/news/grand-strand/myrtle-beach/timeline-brittanee-drexel-murder-case-2009-til-now/ NYPost.com - https://nypost.com/2025/03/16/us-news/murder-victim-brittanee-drexels-family-awarded-700m-in-civil-suit/ WRDW.com - https://www.wrdw.com/2025/02/21/sc-prosecutor-meets-with-murder-victim-brittanee-drexels-mom/ ABC.com - https://abc.com/episode/e6aa3c18-faeb-483a-aaab-a713ad7589d7 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On this episode, Payton and Garrett uncover the chilling disappearance of Akia Eggleston, a young pregnant mother who vanished without a trace. As police dismiss the case, her desperate family and friends take matters into their own hands, launching a relentless fight for answers and justice. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/baltimore/news/arrest-made-in-disappearance-of-akia-eggleston-pregnant-woman-missing-since-2017/ MEAWW.com - https://meaww.com/who-killed-akia-eggleston-baltimore-pregnant-mom-went-missing-before-mysterious-death BlackAndMissingInc.com - https://blackandmissinginc.com/the-day-akia-disappeared/ WMAR2News.com - https://www.wmar2news.com/infocus/akia-egglestons-aunt-working-to-secure-nieces-legacy Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/searching-for/akia-eggleston-missing-mother-baltimore-debit-card-apartment NBC.com - https://www.nbc.com/nbc-insider/pregnant-woman-akia-eggleston-vanishes-before-baby-shower NBCNews.com - https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/in-the-news/dateline-episode-the-day-akia-disappeared-rcna171620 Facebook.com - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1661944483845934/ WBALTV.com - https://www.wbaltv.com/article/akia-eggleston-murder-trial-verdict/44661782 Stattorney.org - https://www.stattorney.org/media-center/press-releases/2766-man-convicted-of-all-charges-for-the-murder-of-akia-eggleston-and-her-unborn-child TheHueAndCry.com - https://thehueandcry.com/akia-eggleston CharleyProject.com - https://charleyproject.org/case/akia-shawnta-eggleston MissinPersonsCenter.org - https://missingpersonscenter.org/missing-persons-directory/missing-adults/akia-shawnta-eggleston/ Dateline NBC - https://open.spotify.com/episode/22KxFxhH6J05IFjeAoFJGg?si=318496bdfe5645cc Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Payton and Garrett dive into the baffling death of Linda Curry, a case that began with quiet tragedy but spiraled into one of Orange County’s most perplexing investigations. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/charmed-to-death/crime-news/paul-curry-poisoned-wife-linda-kinkade-cold-case-solved Unilad.com - https://www.unilad.com/news/crime/jeopardy-paul-curry-linda-kinkade-murder-124276-20240419 CJOnline.com - https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/local/2010/11/09/salina-official-arrested-for-murder/16483870007/ TheSun.com - https://www.the-sun.com/news/8575383/jeopardy-champion-paul-curry-murder-wife-linda-kinkade/ CrimeOnline.com - https://www.crimeonline.com/tag/paul-curry-and-linda-kinkade/ TheCinemaholic.com - https://thecinemaholic.com/paul-curry-where-is-linda-currys-ex-husband-now/ Grunge.com - https://www.grunge.com/493987/the-truth-about-the-jeopardy-winner-who-murdered-his-wife/ Cracked.com - https://www.cracked.com/article_37594_four-notorious-killers-who-were-contestants-on-game-shows.html CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/timeline-investigating-the-death-of-linda-curry/ Express.Co.Uk - https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/2028586/killers-who-found-fame-game-show ABCNews.go.com - https://abcnews.go.com/US/greed-motivated-man-poison-wife-nicotine-prosecutor/story?id=25401598 ABC7.com - https://abc7.com/man-accused-of-poisoning-wife-husband-poisons-nicotine-paul-curry/395659/ CaseLaw.FindLaw.com - https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1636690.html World Health Organization - https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tobacco#:~:text=Key%20facts,%2D%20and%20middle%2Dincome%20countries. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Payton and Garrett explore the chilling case of a teen whose online curiosity led her to trust a stranger, ending in her mother’s worst nightmare. Links: Chewy: https://prf.hn/click/camref:1011l3Huc8/creativeref:1101l165968 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: TeenVogue.com - https://www.teenvogue.com/story/kik-app-dangers-nicole-lovell People.com -  https://people.com/crime/sociopath-in-training-who-helped-college-boyfriend-lure-kill-13-year-old-girl-gets-40-years/ 29News.com - https://www.29news.com/2020/12/28/were-gonna-meet-again-family-nicole-lovell-speaks-out-keepers-denied-appeal-upcoming-anniversary/ WSet.com - https://wset.com/news/local/latest-ex-vt-student-believed-killing-nicole-lovell-was-fantasy-evidence-found-in-dorm NBCNews.com - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-virginia-tech-students-indicted-murder-13-year-old-nicole-n617341 CollegiateTimes.com - https://www.collegiatetimes.com/news/two-years-after-nicole-lovell-s-death-a-recap-of-the-findings-that-have-gripped/article_b819a48c-0a13-11e8-a8b9-977823406c1c.html ABCNews.com - https://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-tech-student-trial-allegedly-killing-13-year/story?id=52872061 Vocal.Media - https://vocal.media/criminal/the-murder-of-nicole-lovell FindAGrave.com - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/157650608/nicole-madison-lovell WSLS.com - https://www.wsls.com/news/2018/06/27/david-eisenhauer-to-serve-50-years-in-prison-for-murdering-nicole-lovell/ CNN.com - https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/us/virginia-tech-girl-killed-keepers-bail-denied WDBJ7.com - https://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/Defense-rests-its-case-in-Natalie-Keepers-trial-493860711.html WHSV.com - https://www.whsv.com/content/news/David-Eisenhauer-pleads-no-contest-in-killing-of-Nicole-Lovell-473572983.html CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nicole-lovell-murder-killer-app-smartphone-stranger-danger/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Payton and Garrett delve into the chilling case that shook the quiet town of Moscow, Idaho, the brutal murders of Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW COLORING BOOK MERCH: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: NYTimes.com - https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/25/us/idaho-murders-bryan-kohberger-dna.html    CNN.com - https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/10/us/idaho-killings-bryan-kohberger-dna-wwk   ABCNews.go.com - https://abcnews.go.com/US/idaho-killings-latest-motive-unknown-new-information-former/story?id=124030822 People.com - https://people.com/idaho-murder-suspect-bryan-kohberger-11730739  Independent.co.uk - https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/idaho-murders-bryan-kohberger-confession-why-b2795782.html NewsWeek.com - https://www.newsweek.com/bryan-kohberger-past-job-fish-cutter-1785013  Facts.net - https://facts.net/history/people/13-facts-about-bryan-kohberger/  NYPost.com - https://nypost.com/2023/06/06/bryan-kohberger-once-bragged-about-boxing-routine-weight-loss-and-speaking-skills-in-job-application/https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/the-key-evidence-that-linked-bryan-kohberger-to-the-murders-of-4-idaho-students    PBS.org - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/the-key-evidence-that-linked-bryan-kohberger-to-the-murders-of-4-idaho-students     CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/idaho-murders-suspect-bryan-kohberger-selfie-evidence-bushy-eyebrows/ King5.com - https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/kohberger-trial-idaho-murders/everything-we-learned-bryan-kohberger-motive-sentencing/281-501aaf8e-1a75-4594-ba90-97cd3150742b NBCNews.com -  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-denies-bryan-kohberger-motions-exclude-key-dna-evidence-trial-rcna192952   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Payton and Garrett dive into the chilling story of Jackie and Tom Hawks, a devoted couple ready to trade in their life at sea to spend more time with family. But when they put their beloved yacht up for sale, their dream of a peaceful retirement takes a dark and deadly turn. Links: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: ABCNews.go.com - https://abcnews.go.com/US/receipt-target-stolen-car-mexico-unsolved-murder-investigation/story?id=68204176 LATimes.com - https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-jun-20-me-death-boat20-story.html Medium.com - https://medium.com/@cindyparmiter/into-the-dark-abyss-the-horrifying-murders-of-tom-and-jackie-hawks-779dd83709e6 CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/48-hours-mystery-dark-voyage-30-04-2009/# CrimeLibrary.com - https://www.crimelibrary.org/notorious_murders/celebrity/hawkes_deleon/1_index.html Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/the-real-murders-of-orange-county/crime-news/skylar-deleon-kills-tom-jackie-hawks-in-yacht-murder OCRegister.com - https://www.ocregister.com/2009/02/19/3rd-man-convicted-in-murders-of-couple-on-yacht/ International Business Times - https://web.archive.org/web/20081024083414/http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/20081007/skylar-deleon-039-power-ranger-039-yacht-killing-case-underway.htm DailyMail.com - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13987861/skylar-deleon-taxpayer-trans-surgery-thomas-jackie-hawks-murder.html Wikipedia.com - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Thomas_and_Jackie_Hawks Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices