

The Running for Real Podcast
Tina Muir
A collective of conversations that inspire, motivate, and encourage runners who know deep down that the world we want to create already exists. We all play a role in bringing it to life. Join former professional runner and life-long athlete, Tina Muir in this unique running podcast. We do not talk to professional runners about their wins or the Olympics. We do not talk about what shoes to wear or what training is best. Instead, we relate every experience back to you, and love to think hard about the questions you would always love to ask.
While we bring on well known guests like Malcolm Gladwell, Reshma Saujani, Ryan Holiday, Des Linden, Michael Gervais, and David Epstein, these are not the same old conversations. This feels more like overhearing two friends talking about the deep conversations that weigh on our hearts daily. Join us in discovering the power of running, why our sport has always been part of humanity, and how we can use it as a tool for realizing our truest self, uplifting our communities, celebrating cultures, and taking care of our Mother Earth.
While we bring on well known guests like Malcolm Gladwell, Reshma Saujani, Ryan Holiday, Des Linden, Michael Gervais, and David Epstein, these are not the same old conversations. This feels more like overhearing two friends talking about the deep conversations that weigh on our hearts daily. Join us in discovering the power of running, why our sport has always been part of humanity, and how we can use it as a tool for realizing our truest self, uplifting our communities, celebrating cultures, and taking care of our Mother Earth.
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Jan 10, 2022 • 1h 4min
Together Run 37 with Tina and Marcus: 30, 45, 60 minute Run
Another special episode this week. Join podcast host (and podcast guest) and all round runner inspiration, Marcus Brownwith Tina for this week's together run. Tina and Marcus went for a sunrise New Years Day run along one of Tina's favorite loops in St Albans. Hear the two friends go through a check in with nature, body scan, senses check in, check in mentally and emotionally and go onto a conversation. Tina and Marcus discuss the "new year, new you" hype that appears this time of year. Instead, Marcus asks the listeners to consider loving, forgiving, embracing, you, in this moment. Part meditation, part reflection, part check-in, join Marcus and Tina for #togetherrun37 Tina mentioned Running Realized As always, no sponsors today, trying to keep this authentic and like really running with a friend. If you want to support Tina and the Running For Real team: Through a monthly donation on Patreon. To sign up, click here. You can share on social media and let others know about what you are loving in these together runs. You can leave a review on iTunes. Thanks for listening! We know there are so many podcasts you could be listening to, but we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us: Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that topic will relate to them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe, you can find out here. Thank you for joining, we look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Jan 3, 2022 • 49min
Together Run 36 in Venice with Camilla: 45 minute Run
We have our second guest hosted #togetherrun this week. Join Superstar and community member Camilla for a run around Venice in the early morning. Camilla takes us through a check in with nature, body scan, senses check in, check in mentally and emotionally and onto a conversation where we can get to know her, and talk through some of the things on her mind. Camilla starts the run at San Bortolo near Rialto, then takes us through Venice passing all of these famous sites: San Marco Santo Stefano Academia bridge Punta salute Along zattere Santa margherita San toma The photo of Camilla is from San Marco Part meditation, part reflection, part check-in, join Camilla for #togetherrun36 Tina mentioned No sponsors today, trying to keep this authentic and like really running with a friend. If you want to support Tina and the Running For Real team: Through a monthly donation on Patreon. To sign up, click here. You can share on social media and let others know about what you are loving in these together runs. You can leave a review on iTunes. Thanks for listening! We know there are so many podcasts you could be listening to, but we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us: Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that topic will relate to them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe, you can find out here. Thank you for joining, we look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Jan 3, 2022 • 49min
Together Run 36 in Venice with Camilla: 45 minute Run
We have our second guest hosted #togetherrun this week. Join Superstar and community member Camilla for a run around Venice in the early morning. Camilla takes us through a check in with nature, body scan, senses check in, check in mentally and emotionally and onto a conversation where we can get to know her, and talk through some of the things on her mind. Camilla starts the run at San Bortolo near Rialto, then takes us through Venice passing all of these famous sites: San Marco Santo Stefano Academia bridge Punta salute Along zattere Santa margherita San toma The photo of Camilla is from San Marco Part meditation, part reflection, part check-in, join Camilla for #togetherrun36 Tina mentioned No sponsors today, trying to keep this authentic and like really running with a friend. If you want to support Tina and the Running For Real team: Through a monthly donation on Patreon. To sign up, click here. You can share on social media and let others know about what you are loving in these together runs. You can leave a review on iTunes. Thanks for listening! We know there are so many podcasts you could be listening to, but we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us: Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that topic will relate to them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe, you can find out here. Thank you for joining, we look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Dec 31, 2021 • 43min
Running For Real Team Favorites - R4R 281
2021 has been an exciting year for Running for Real. We've changed direction a little bit, but one thing that remains constant is our sense of community and our desire to make everyone feel included and welcome. Our theme for the new year is #Together22, and we're looking forward to getting to know you all better. Another change is that the Running for Real team has grown. To help you get to know us better, the team members have chosen podcast episodes from the past year that especially resonated with them. We hope that you enjoyed - or will enjoy - them as much as we did! These are the episodes that we selected. To read each team member's comments, please visit the show notes page on the Running for Real website From Kat Mackay, Community Manager: Special Edition NYC Together Run 29 Jon Green: Green is the New Bronze - R4R 264 From Maria Vargas, Strategy and Philosophy: Running Realized Episode Three: The Inner Disconnect (Shaun Martin segment) From Kelsey Wang, Head of Design and Sandy Guiterrez, Creative Content: Mishka Shubaly: We're Here Because We're Not All There - R4R 267 From Stacey Saunders, Events Manager: Kayleigh Williamson: Don't Let Somebody Else Tell You What You Can and Cannot Do - R4R 270 From Jeremy Noessel, Podcast Editor and Audio Consultant: Malcolm Gladwell: A Little Focus Goes a Long Way - R4R 258 From Erica De Los Santos, Inclusion Manager: Jordan Marie Brings Three White Horses Daniel: Running for Cause - R4R 225 From Sally Pontarelli, Content and Operations Manager: Tommie Runz: You Can Only Control You at this Moment - R4R 262 A big "thank you" to all of Running for Real's podcast guests, listeners, and partners this year! Resources: Sign up for the Running for Real Newsletter Running Realized podcast Tina's Together Run in St. Albans Maria's blog, It's Your World Kat's Instagram Thank you to Athletic Greens, Zencastr and goodr for sponsoring this episode. AG1 is a simple and easy way to get 75 vitamins, minerals, and whole food source ingredients to help strengthen your immune system. It's simple to make and it tastes good! Go here to get a FREE year's supply of Vitamin D and five FREE travel packs with your subscription. Zencastr is an all in one podcast production suite that gives you studio quality audio and video without needing all the technical know-how. I've tried all different platforms, I've tried all different types of things and I am obsessed with Zencastr. I love it. I encourage everyone I know to use it because it is just so easy. Go here to get 30% off your first three months. I have been a fan of goodr for YEARS and I literally have their sunglasses all over my house. The design behind these sunglasses really takes into consideration look and comfort. They are 100% carbon neutral and a part of 1% for the Planet. Go here and use the code TINA for 15% off your order. Thanks for listening! We know there are so many podcasts you could listen to, and we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us: Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that the topic will resonate with them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram If you are struggling through something a guest mentions, chances are others are too, and you will help them feel less alone. Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player. Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people. Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe? You can find out here.

Dec 27, 2021 • 1h 6min
Together Run 35 with Tina: 30, 45, 60 minute Run
What a special treat! Today you can join Tina for a run through the English countryside. Run amongst sheep (literally!), squelch in mud, go through kissing gates, and even check out a red phone booth. This run is through the Shropshire hills and will be as close as you can get to running through West of England Join us for a check in with nature, body scan, senses check in, check in mentally and emotionally and onto a conversation. Part meditation, part reflection, part check-in, join Tina for #togetherrun35 Tina mentioned No sponsors today, trying to keep this authentic and like really running with a friend. If you want to support Tina and the Running For Real team: Through a monthly donation on Patreon. To sign up, click here. You can share on social media and let others know about what you are loving in these together runs. You can leave a review on iTunes. Thanks for listening! We know there are so many podcasts you could be listening to, but we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us: Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that topic will relate to them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe, you can find out here. Thank you for joining, we look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Dec 24, 2021 • 1h 8min
Josh Lifrak: Be Present, Not Perfect - R4R 280
Josh Lifrak was the director of the Chicago Cubs' Mental Skills Program when they won the 2016 World Series, ending a 108-year championship drought. He was the Mental Performance Coach for the New York Mets, and now he helps even more people optimize their performance through his work with Limitless Minds. The Covid-19 pandemic has made the past couple of years hard for a lot of us. Today Josh shares his advice on how to work through these difficult times. "I was realizing that I could have a bigger reach, a bigger scope of contribution in the world, if I were to move away from sports." The work that Josh did with sports teams had a huge impact on them, but he felt that his direct sphere of influence was tiny. He'd also been working with different companies, and says that he "was seeing how what we teach in sports has this incredible reach into the corporate world." He realized that one of his biggest values was in terms of workers' contribution. Even though his position in major league baseball seemed to be a dream job, he left it in order to reach more people and to "have them have these moments of 'aha!' and these moments where their lives were getting impacted." "[Team manager] Joe Maddon…always used to say, 'be present, not perfect.'" Changing his career was stressful, but when he's faced with a situation that could seem overwhelming, Josh reminds himself that "the attempt to be perfect…it's not realistic. And I think once you accept that, then you can kind of move past it in a lot of ways." "A lot of times we hear, 'Gotta be positive. Be positive, be positive.' Well, the reality is there's things to not be positive about." Instead of trying to find the positive in everything, he accepts the negative aspects of a situation and then figures out how to move forward. As he explains, "You can't change what's already happened, but your actions can change what happens in the future. The past is not predictive of the future, but what you're doing in the present is." "The biggest thing is making a conscious decision for our own direction in our own minds and deciding how we want to be on a daily basis." Being intentional in his actions is a big part of Josh's philosophy. That means doing things "with purpose, on purpose." You have to establish your own values, rather than simply accepting someone else's agenda. " When you decide who you're going to be, then your actions kind of align with that," he explains. "When you're in something that you don't really like, what that really is doing is giving you an opportunity to see what you do want." The past couple of years have been hard for a lot of people, but Josh sees the other side. He offers some advice for 2022: "If there were things you didn't like or if it was a tough year for you in 2021, take stock of that and go, 'Okay. Well, what would the flip of that be? This is what I don't want; I'm pretty clear about that. What could I do to flip that on its head? And what does that look like if it was 180° the other way?'" Resources: Josh's previous interview on Running for Real Josh's Twitter Josh's LinkedIn Limitless Minds' website Thank you to InsideTracker, Athletic Greens, and Zencastr for sponsoring this episode. AG1 is a simple and easy way to get 75 vitamins, minerals, and whole food source ingredients to help strengthen your immune system. It's simple to make and it tastes good! Go here to get a FREE year's supply of Vitamin D and five FREE travel packs with your subscription. Zencastr is an all in one podcast production suite that gives you studio quality audio and video without needing all the technical know-how. I've tried all different platforms, I've tried all different types of things and I am obsessed with Zencastr. I love it. I encourage everyone I know to use it because it is just so easy. Go here to get 30% off your first three months. Have you not been feeling yourself lately? Gone down a lot of avenues but haven't really found clear solutions? That is where InsideTracker can come in for you. I have trusted this company for years to show me where I may be lacking and if I need a few tweaks here and there. I count on InsideTracker to help me decipher the science behind it all. Go here to get 25% off site wide. Thanks for listening! We know there are so many podcasts you could listen to, and we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us: Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that the topic will resonate with them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram If you are struggling through something a guest mentions, chances are others are too, and you will help them feel less alone. Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player. Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people. Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe? You can find out here. "Thank you" to Josh. We look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.

Dec 20, 2021 • 1h 9min
Together Run 34 with Tina in St Albans: 30, 45, 60 minute Run
Tina is back home in St Albans, England, and takes us through a together run along one of her favorite loops. Sharing memories, experiences, and moments that made her the person she is today. Join us for a check in with nature, body scan, senses check in, check in mentally and emotionally and onto a conversation. Part meditation, part reflection, part check-in, join Tina for #togetherrun34 Tina mentioned No sponsors today, trying to keep this authentic and like really running with a friend. If you want to support Tina and the Running For Real team: Through a monthly donation on Patreon. To sign up, click here. You can share on social media and let others know about what you are loving in these together runs. You can leave a review on iTunes. Thanks for listening! We know there are so many podcasts you could be listening to, but we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us: Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that topic will relate to them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe, you can find out here. Thank you for joining, we look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Dec 17, 2021 • 1h 10min
Elyse Kopecky: Healthy Fueling is Easier than You May Think - R4R 279
Exactly a month after they ran ten miles of the New York City Marathon together, Tina and Elyse Kopecky connected to talk about eating to support your running, how "healthy" eating can become unhealthy, dealing with a picky eater, and how to set the tone for your entire day. Elyse is a mom, a trail runner, and with her co-author, elite runner Shalane Flanagan, a three-time New York Timesbestselling author. "I did want to run a marathon at one point in my life, just to experience it." Elyse was a competitive runner in college, but she suffered from low bone density and stress fractures, amenorrhea, compartment syndrome, and I.B.S. By the time she graduated, she was burned out on racing and had no desire to get back on a starting line. "I still had a love for running and got really into trail running," she says, "but just running casually, like going for five mile runs with friends at a slow pace." As time went on though, she wanted to run a marathon. It happened that her 40th birthday coincided with the New York City Marathon's 50th anniversary and her friend Shalane Flanagan completing the six world marathon majors in six weeks, finishing in New York. Clearly it was the race that she had to do. "I wanted to prove to myself that all the nutrition advice that I was giving everyone else would work for myself." She was nervous going into training: "If I ended up with a stress fracture while marathon training, I would think I was a fraud, like none of my nutrition was working." But it did work; she ran the entire 26.2 miles without ever hitting a wall. She used to think that she couldn't eat before running because she has a sensitive stomach, but training for the marathon taught her that eating before a run actually helps her. "When I'm marathon training, I'm like a grizzly bear." Elyse says that people would be surprised if they saw how much she ate when she was marathon training. It wasn't easy because I.B.S. limits the foods that she can tolerate. She had to cook constantly, which was the hardest part of training. "The miles are the easy part; that doesn't take up as much time," she says. That doesn't mean that she only eats "healthy" foods. During training, she found that she needed gels and sports drinks, because "sometimes foods that seem less healthy are the ones that are going to fuel me the best." Everyone has to find what works for them, but the important thing is to take in enough fuel. Elyse observes, "I used to think that I wasn't a long distance runner because I never felt good past five miles, but now I realize that it was because I wasn't eating enough beforehand to feel good past five miles." "I think I was meant to have a picky kid so that I could relate more to parents and who knows, maybe this will result in a book down the road." Some people, like Elyse, can't eat certain things because of health issues. Others, like her son, just don't like them. Her daughter will try anything and has "an incredible palate." Elyse says that "with her being my first kid, I was like, I don't understand what's wrong with parents, like why they can't figure out how to feed children." Her son is a different story. She's figured out what he will eat, and makes sure that he has healthy, balanced meals, even if that means preparing the same dishes over and over. "They're not vegetables," she acknowledges, "but I think parents get caught up that it has to be vegetables. There are a lot of nutritious foods that are not vegetables." "I think I need to put it out there more on social that I do eat normal. Like my family does go out for tacos, we do get pizza take-out on Fridays." There are a lot of Run Fast. Eat Slow fans in Bend, OR, where Elyse lives, and they frequently stop to talk to her at the supermarket. She jokes with Shalane, "I don't want them looking at my cart because I have tortilla chips in there, and ice cream, and beer." She emphasizes though, that it is a joke. "I want people to know if you think you're eating perfectly, you probably aren't. If you're stressing that much to where your diet is perfect every single day, then maybe you're not enjoying food, and it gets to a point where it's unhealthy to eat overly healthy." "The more you restrict yourself, the more you're going to want that food." Because she allows herself to enjoy all foods, Elyse doesn't develop a craving for something because she's been depriving herself of it. That allows her to easily avoid overindulging over the holidays, which is a pitfall for so many people. She likes having something sweet every day, but she tries to make sure that it's something healthy, like homemade muffins or cookies made with butter. "I think that food is meant to be enjoyed and everything should taste delicious," she says, "even healthy food." "We believe that how you start your day impacts your whole day." Elyse and Shalane's new book, Rise and Run, is subtitled, Recipes, Rituals, and Runs to Fuel Your Day. The title reflects their belief that, as Elyse says, "how you start your day impacts your whole day, and that's everything from your mindset in the morning, to getting outside and getting the first rays of sunlight and setting your circadian rhythm by moving outside. That doesn't mean you have to go for a 10 mile run, but even just a two mile walk in the morning at first light can really impact your entire day in a positive way." The book is full of advice about training and how to start your day more mindfully, and of course, delicious, nourishing recipes. As Elyse says, "the biggest part of starting your day right is what you eat in the morning." Resources: Elyse's website Run Fast. Eat Slow. website Rise and Run Elyse's Instagram Thank you to goodr, Tracksmith, and Zencastr for sponsoring this episode. I have been a fan of goodr for YEARS and I literally have their sunglasses all over my house. The design behind these sunglasses really takes into consideration look and comfort. They are 100% carbon neutral and a part of 1% for the Planet. Go here and use the code TINA for 15% off your order. Tracksmith is a Boston based company that truly cares about the quality of their running clothes. Running can be demanding on our clothes; they definitely go through wear and tear to where we may be purchasing new clothes constantly. Tracksmith designers work with the finest materials and keep you in mind as a runner, with spots for your keys, phone, and fuel. You can go here to check out my favorites! Go here and use the code TINA15, and Tracksmith will donate 5% of your purchase to Runners for Public Lands, and you'll get free shipping! Zencastr is an all-in-one podcast production suite that gives you studio quality audio and video without needing all the technical know-how. I've tried all different platforms, I've tried all different types of things and I am obsessed with Zencastr. I love it. I encourage everyone I know to use it because it is just so easy. Go here to get 30% off your first three months. Thanks for listening! We know there are so many podcasts you could listen to, and we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us: Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that the topic will resonate with them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram If you are struggling through something a guest mentions, chances are others are too, and you will help them feel less alone. Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player. Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people. Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe? You can find out here. "Thank you" to Elyse. We look forward to hearing your thoughts on the show.

Dec 13, 2021 • 1h 4min
Musical Together Run 33 with Guest Host Cynthia
Tina hoped to share a Together Run through Boston before flying to the UK, but rain meant this was not possible. Instead, Cynthia leads us through a guided run with a special twist. As a runner pianist who balances between these two disciplines, Cynthia gives us something unique and enjoyable to try for this run Join us for a check in with nature, body scan, senses check in, check in mentally and emotionally and onto a conversation. This week, Tina discusses Part meditation, part reflection, part check-in, join Tina for #togetherrun33 -- No sponsors today, trying to keep this authentic and like really running with a friend. If you want to support Tina and the Running For Real team: Through a monthly donation on Patreon. To sign up, click here. You can share on social media and let others know about what you are loving in these together runs. You can leave a review on iTunes. Apple (iTunes) Podcast | Sticher | Castbox | Overcast | Spotify | Google Play | iHeartradio | Thanks for listening! We know there are so many podcasts you could be listening to, but we are honored you have chosen Running For Real. If you appreciate the work that we do, here are a few things you can do to support us: Take a screenshot of the episode, and share it with your friends, family, and community on social media, especially if you feel that topic will relate to them. Be sure to tag us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram Leave an honest review on iTunes or your favorite podcast player Your ratings and reviews will really help us grow and reach new people Not sure how to leave a review or subscribe, you can find out here. Thank you for joining, we look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Dec 10, 2021 • 1h 16min
Lucy Bartholomew: You Don't Have to be Fast to be a Great Runner - R4R 278
Although she's only 25, Lucy Bartholomew has been competing in ultras for a decade. She ran her first, the Surf Coast Century 100k, alongside her father, and the successes kept coming. In 2017 she raced in fifteen ultras and was the first place female in eight of them. The following year she ran her first 100 mile race, Western States, and finished third in the women's race. All of those medals came at a cost, however, and for a time she lost her love of running. Today she talks about how she regained her joy in the sport and now appreciates it more fully than she ever did before. "People asked what happened when the numbers went up, but when the numbers were so low that I was clearly unwell, no one asked any questions. In fact I was put on a pedestal." Lucy participated in a project at a heart institute in 2018, the year she triumphed at Western States. Her numbers were incredibly low - body fat under 12% and a heart rate so slow that it didn't register on the lab's equipment. The doctors were amazed and impressed; it was "like a hall of fame moment," she recalls. But those levels were impossible to maintain, and when she went back a year later, the numbers were all higher. She was stronger and healthier, but the reaction was, "oh, you're out of that elite athlete percentile and you're like, normal, God forbid." " I remember sitting there," she says, "and just being like, my photo's just gone off the wall of fame, and I'm now this normal human, which is just not good enough for their standards." "Overnight I gained 50,000 followers on Instagram. So 50,000 people started following me and they started following a version of Lucy that was not sustainable." After Lucy crossed the Western States' finish line in 2018, she suddenly had tens of thousands of new followers, who only knew her at her thinnest. When she gained weight after the race, people's comments made her start to question herself. "It just puts a grain of sand into your mind, just kind of like, am I doing everything wrong?" By the end of 2019, that grain of sand had become a sandcastle. "I think that I had lost the race of Western States before I had even begun." Running Western States in 2018 had been a joyful experience. She remembers an article that was written about her, saying how super-stoked she was. "And I was," she says, "I was just like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm in this position. I didn't come here to lead the race. I'm in front of Courtney freaking Dauwalter, like what is going on?" When she ran it again the next year, everything had changed. She was in the worst headspace of her life, and says, "if I have one regret in my running career - I don't use the word regret - but I disrespected that race. I ran it, but I didn't love it. I despised the fact that I was out there. I endured it, which the previous year, I enjoyed it, not endured." She hadn't looked at her watch for the first nine hours of the 2018 race because she was loving it so much. But in 2019, she says, "I looked at my watch for the first time probably a mile in and went, 'is that all we've done?'" "I don't love this anymore, and I've always said that I would stop the moment that I outrun my love for running." In retrospect, she knew that she should have rested after the 2018 Western States, but she kept racing. "Then the Christmas season I chilled out a little bit," she says, "had my three days off for the year, God forbid." She resumed her schedule of back-to-back ultras in the new year. Thinking about her racing calendar, she says, "I'm like, you are an absolute goose, Lucy. Who do you think you are, standing on all those start lines and doing that to your body?" "I learned from Western States that I won't stand on the start line if my head and heart aren't in it." Lucy had raced the Ultra Trail du Mont Blanc (UTMB) seven times and loved it, but when she arrived in Chamonix in 2019, she says, "I was like, I really just want to sit at a cafe and chill out, and sit in the river and do something else. I just want to get the chairlift up. Like, do we have to run?" "To be a great runner, you have to have the ability to run but then also to be able to cheer on others." She dropped out of the UTMB, but instead of sulking because "this was just turning into the absolute crumble of the year," she decided to support the people who were racing. She explains that when she was younger and would spectate as her dad raced, "I started to realize that you can be on the sideline and you can just be miserable about the fact that you're not in the race or you can be on the sideline and you can make people's day." She left Chamonix feeling proud that she'd respected herself enough to pull out of the race, and happy that "I was able to still be a part of the sport that I love, because whilst I wasn't loving the act of running, I love the philosophy and the community of running, and that's more important to me than any race ever." "It was just the most beautiful experience that put me in a position where it was kind of like, this is what matters." The lockdowns in Australia during the Covid-19 pandemic gave Lucy an opportunity to reset. After only being allowed one hour of running a day, 5 km from her house, she was ready for a challenge. She and two friends decided to run the extremely difficult Larapinta Trail in the Northern Territory of Australia. There were times on the trail that were "really, really tough," but at the end, when the community came out for the finish, she realized that "this is why I love this sport and this is what I want to do. I want to tell stories and I want to show places to people and I want to create community." The past few months presented Lucy with a different kind of challenge. She was diagnosed with cancer in one eye and has undergone surgery to remove the tumor. But the love and support she received when she revealed her diagnosis on social media have made her realize that people care about her as a person, not only about her appearance and her ability as a runner. Now she's eager to get back out on the trails. "I can be a part of the community and I can be out where I love, in nature, and that's kind of what I've taken away from a really challenging few months." Resources: Lucy's Instagram "Running Out," the documentary about Lucy running the Larapinta Trail Lucy's website Lucy's podcast interview with Dylan Bowman Thank you to Tracksmith, InsideTracker, and Zencastr for sponsoring this episode. Tracksmith is a Boston based company that truly cares about the quality of their running clothes. 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