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Chris Brennan
A weekly podcast on the history, philosophy, and techniques of astrology, hosted by professional astrologer Chris Brennan.
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May 11, 2020 • 2h 29min
Misconceptions About Mundane Astrology in the Media
In episode 254 astrologers Chris Brennan and Leisa Schaim discuss a recent article in the New York Times that claimed that astrologers did not predict the recent worldwide crisis, and some of the related issues with coverage of astrology in the media, as well as the practice of mundane astrology.
The starting point for this discussion was an article that was published in the New York Times on May 9, 2020 titled Will Coronavirus Kill Astrology?
The author primarily focuses on the Sun-sign astrologer Susan Miller, and the central argument is evidently that astrologers not only did not predict the Covid-19 pandemic, but they did not predict that it would be a difficult year for the world in general in their forecasts for 2020.
During the course of the episode we discuss the article and its claims, question the validity of some of its conclusions, and then discuss some broader issues about the practice and perception of astrology.
This episode is available in both audio and video versions below.
Mundane Astrologers Discussed in This Episode
In this episode we discuss the works of two mundane astrologers, André Barbault and Richard Tarnas.
André Barbault was a French astrologer who died in October of 2019. In 2012 he published an article titled “Survey of Pandemics” (Aperçu sur les Pandémies) in which he studied the outer planet alignments that coincided with major pandemics in the past century, and then used that information to make a prediction that the next such alignment around 2020-21 could coincide with a major pandemic:
"Going back to the pandemics and going back to the past century, the four crises of 1918, 1954, 1968 and 1982 are obvious, the two considerable being the first, the famous "Spanish flu" which is said to have claimed 25 million lives, and the last one in which AIDS, which is even more devastating and continues to be deadly. Since then, there has also been a small influenza surge in 2009, against the last lowest cyclical index (2010). We may well be in serious danger of a new pandemic at the 2020-2021 mark, at the lowest peak of the cyclical index of the 21st century, with the quintet of outer planets gathered over a hundred degrees, a conjunction Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto can more specifically, and even specifically, lend itself to the "tissue" of this imbalance. Nevertheless, this configuration can also transfer its core of dissonances to the terrain of geophysical disasters, without ultimately sparing the international affairs scene, Nature and Society being indiscriminately affected."
This prediction was published in The Astrologer journal (L'Astrologue), issue number 177, in the first quarter of 2012. The full text of the original article is available on André Barbault's website, the translation of the paragraph above was made by astrologer Mark Cullen in a Skyscript forum thread, and I'm working on a full translation of the article into English that will be released soon.
Update: You can read a full translation of the article or download a scan of the French original here:
André Barbault, A Survey of Pandemics (English translation)
André Barbault, Aperçu sur les Pandémies (original French article)
In this episode we also discuss the study of mundane astrology that was published by Richard Tarnas in his 2006 book Cosmos and Psyche, which also had some interesting studies of how certain pandemics have coincided with conjunctions of Saturn and Pluto, which is a conjunction that many astrologers noted was occurring again just this year in January:
"Another such defining [Saturn-Pluto] conjunction was that of 1348-51 that coincided with the eruption and spread of the Black Death, which similarly devastated Europe and set in motion cultural and economic shifts that permanently transformed European life in the late medieval period. The Black Death, or bubonic plague, began in China in 1333 in coincidence with the preceding Saturn-Pluto opposition and reached a climax in Europe in the 1348-51 period during the conjunction. A comparable pattern can be discerned in the AIDS epidemic, which first widely emerged and was identified during the Saturn-Pluto conjunction of 1981-84, and which reached pandemic proportions worldwide, especially in Africa, during the following Saturn-Pluto opposition of 2000-04." (Cosmos and Psyche, p. 217)
During the course of the show we discuss whether studies like this demonstrate the opposite of the claim made by the New York Times article, why hit pieces like this are so common, and whether there is anything astrologers can do about them.
Timestamps
Here are some timestamps for topics covered at different points in the episode:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:53 Coverage of astrology in the media
00:07:00 NYT hit piece on astrology
00:11:06 Who the media interviews
00:15:35 Mundane vs individual astrology
00:29:10 Complexities of mundane astrology
00:32:10 Experts in mundane astrology
00:36:08 Richard Tarnas' work on Saturn-Pluto cycle
00:52:40 André Barbault's prediction about 2020
01:02:29 Conspiracy theories
01:07:10 NYT's treatment of astrology
01:16:42 Public prediction misconceptions
01:31:30 2020 astrology weather review
01:43:30 Were there enough warnings?
01:59:40 Learning mundane astrology
02:11:40 Respectability of astrology
02:14:20 Covid
02:17:17 Saturn return of the internet
02:26:45 Closing remarks
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Apr 30, 2020 • 2h 49min
May 2020 Astrology Forecast
In episode 253 astrologers Kelly Surtees and Austin Coppock join the show to talk about the astrological forecast for May of 2020.
Most of the action this month happens in the second full week of May, when Saturn stations direct, Mars completes its conjunction with Saturn by moving out of Aquarius and into Pisces, Venus stations retrograde in Gemini, and Jupiter stations retrograde conjunct Pluto in Capricorn.
At the top of the show we spend about an hour catching up and talking about news that has happened since last month, Chris' recovery from being sick with Covid, astrology conferences running into issues this year, and reflecting on weird conspiracy theories surrounding the virus.
This episode is available in both audio and video versions below.
News, Announcements, Links
The Northwest Astrology Conference has been moved to an online conference, and is happening May 21-25, 2020.
Kelly Surtees' website
Austin Coppock's website
Chris Brennan's online courses
Become a Patron of The Astrology Podcast
Timestamps
The first hour of the show is discussion topics
Forecast begins at 1 hour and 10 minutes into the episode
Planetary Alignments for May
The month opens with Mercury conjunct Uranus
Venus/Neptune square for 1st time on May 3/4
Sun-Mercury conjunction in Taurus on May 4
Lunar nodes switch to Gemini/Sag on May 5 (True Nodes)
Full Moon in Scorpio on May 7
Saturn stations retrograde in Aquarius on May 11
Mercury moves into Gemini on May 11
Mercury squares Mars May 10/11 at 28 just before ingress
Mars leaves Aquarius and moves into Pisces May 13
Venus stations retrograde at 21 Gemini on May 13
Jupiter stations retrograde at 27 Capricorn on May 14
Sun/Jupiter trine exact May 17
Sun into Gemini May 20
Venus retro/Neptune square exact May 20
New Moon in Gemini on May 22
Mercury moves into Cancer on May 28
Auspicious Astrological Date for May
May is again not a great month this year for good elections, and the best chart we could find was:
🪐 May 2, 2020 around 9:30 am, with Cancer rising.
We also presented a few other elections for May on our private subscriber-only podcast on auspicious elections.
We also have a full year-ahead electional astrology report for 2020, which highlights some better charts later in the year.
Watch the Video Version of Our May Astrology Forecast
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Transcript
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Apr 29, 2020 • 1h 57min
What is the Birth Chart of the United States?
In episode 252 astrologer Nina Gryphon joins the show to talk about question of what is the correct birth chart for the United States, and to review some of the different possible charts that are available.
While this sounds like a simple question, there are actually a number of different birth dates and birth times that are possible candidates for the founding of the United States as country, and each of these options yield slightly or sometimes extremely different planetary placements.
The purpose of this episode was to provide a broad overview of the the issue, and to review some of the different charts that have been used or proposed by astrologers at different points in time.
Most of the research for this episode was compiled by Nina, and we also wanted to give a special shout-out to astrologer Gary Lorentzen for his contributions and advice (update 4/29/2020: see his article The Astrology of American Independence), as well as the AstroDatabank entry on the chart of the US, and Nicholas Campion's Book of World Horoscopes.
For more information about Nina, check out her website:
NinaGryphon.com
Below you will find some of the show notes that we prepared as the outline for this discussion, followed by links to listen to the episode at the bottom of the page.
This episode is available in both audio and video versions below.
Show Notes and Episode Outline
Introduction of the topic.
National horoscopes
New concept compared to traditional approach of assignment of signs to nations, regions, and cities.
Prior approach focused on single signs assigned to cities, regions, countries.
As first set down in book 2 of Ptolemy in the 2nd century.
Also, lunation and cardinal ingress charts for particular locations such as the capital.
Became common in the early Medieval tradition.
Really problematic when nation-states and hard national boundaries were established in 19th century.
Ingress chart for capitals not too far apart, say, Paris and London, or Bonn and Brussels might be almost identical.
Earlier reliance on sign assignments circumvented this problem.
Also sometimes foundation charts for cities. E.g. Baghdad.
Bagdhdad elected by a group of astrologers.
For most cities though the foundations were deep in the past.
Astrologers would sometimes resort to rectification to try to figure out the chart.
Rectified charts like Constantinople or Rome.
Maybe this acts as a transition point. Elections and inceptions.
The 20th century saw a real shift in emphasis towards natal astrology.
Emphasis in predictive techniques such as transits and progressions.
These techniques all require a timed natal chart to use.
In many cases, the original national charts are impossible to obtain.
There is often a question about when is a nation officially born?
Astrologers often work with a significant chart from that nation’s history.
Recognizing that it’s one in a chain of charts representing key moments in the long lifespan of a nation.
Ideally, such charts have been shown to be useful for predictive purposes.
Often these charts relate to a transfer of power or bestowing legitimacy on a person or group as leaders. In the life of a nation, many such moments may exist.
United States’ chart of particular interest to astrologers worldwide.
Well-documented history around the founding of the US, and founded in the modern era rather than antiquity, so a timed chart is at least theoretically obtainable.
There is something decisive about the founding of the US, with a clear demarcation of when it broke away from England.
The earliest national chart. Ebenezer Sibly published in 1787. May have kicked off increasing interest in national charts and a certain desire to demonstrate a preferred chart to be true and all others false.
So what is the birth chart of the United States?
Answer is not as simple as it may seem.
Most astrologers tend to focus on July 4, 1776, which is celebrated as Independence Day in the United States, to commemorate the signing of the Declaration of Independence.
But there are a number of other crucial moments around the time of the signing of the Declaration of Independence that could also be used as moments of origin.
Some astrologers even go back further to important events in the settling of America.
There are also a number of different possible times even if you go with the July 4, 1776 date, which lead to different rising signs, and thus slightly or significantly different charts in terms of the house placements of the planets.
We are going to go through each chart individually to give people an idea of the full scope of different possible charts that have been proposed.
General point upfront: the two most popular charts historically have been the Gemini and Sagittarius rising charts, or variations thereof, although both are also somewhat historically impossible to varying degrees for different reasons.
Major events that could be used as national charts for US
Marc Penfield published the chart of the first permanent settlement in America (September 18, 1565, in St. Augustine, Florida). He sourced it to the American Federation of Astrologers. It has Uranus in Sagittarius on the Ascendant, which is 9 Sagittarius. Jupiter conjoins Virgo on the Midheaven, and the Moon is in Pisces.
Pilgrims landing at Plymouth Rock. December 21, 1620, 6 AM in Plymouth, MA. Sagittarius rising, Moon in Sagittarius, and the Sun at 0 Capricorn. (Campion)
Boston Tea Party, December 16 1773, with unverified time of 5:45 PM in astrological sources (Campion)
First Congress, September 5, 1774, Philadelphia at 10 AM. Scorpio rising, with Moon and Sun conjunct in Virgo. (Campion)
Start of the Revolutionary War, early April 19, 1775, with British and American troops facing off in the Battle of Lexington. Battle started around 5 AM, with Aries on the Ascendant and Sun there as well, with Moon in Sagittarius. (Campion)
Declaration of War by Congress July 6 1775. Heavily advocated by the astrologer Helen Boyd, who used a 11 AM chart. (Campion)
Alan White was really into this chart as well. He said that in Zodiacal Releasing it showed an L1 loosing of the bond on 9/11, which doesn’t happen in natal charts, but it can in the longer life of a country.
GL (Gary Lorentzen): July 1, 1776, 07:08pm: the 1st majority YES vote for independence (9 yes, 2 no, 2 abstentions).
Congress voted for independence on July 2 1776, but time is uncertain. John Adams wrote of July 2 that “this day will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I believe that it will be celebrated as the great anniversary.” Ray Merriman favors this chart, with 7 Libra rising and Saturn exalted in the first house.
GL: July 2, 1776, between 11am-noon. A second vote was taken to accommodate Delaware who had to abstain on the first vote because they were missing a delegate. 2nd vote: 12 yes, 1 abstention. (Mercury was Rx, so they ended up taking a second vote, but it didn't change the outcome of the first.) John Adams does give an 11th hour of the morning for the 2nd vote on July 2.
July 4 1774, the day that the wording of the Declaration of Independence was agreed.
One of the more popular charts historically has been the Gemini rising chart set for around 2:15 a.m. Luke Broughton, the best-known U.S. astrologer of the time, in 1861 said that Gemini rules the U.S. and the ingress of Uranus (or Herschel) into Gemini, the Revolution began. When Uranus came to 9 degrees of Gemini, the U.S. declared its independence. Seems to have assumed that the degree of Uranus on July 4, 1776 was the rising degree.
GL: Although Jefferson's Declaration was brought to the floor at 10 am on July 4th, according to John Adams they didn't start the vote to approve the language in the Declaration as edited until the '11th hour of the morning'. They went through the document and motion was made sometime between 11am and Noon.
Some astrologers dispute Jefferson’s account of the debate on July 4, which precludes a time before noon. These charts are set for 10-11 a.m., giving a Virgo Ascendant. Discussed at length in Ronald W. Howland’s American Histrology.
Marc Penfield highlights a chart with a 2:20 p.m. time based on John Hancock’s recollections of the Declaration coming out of committee. 8 Scorpio rising.
Historical documents, including Thomas Jefferson’s writings, seem to support a late afternoon time for ratification of the Declaration of Independence, but the historic sources do not pin down a time for this moment.
Sibly chart.
Published by Ebenezer Sibly, a Freemason in England, in 1787. Chart was set for 10:10 p.m. London time, but set for Philadelphia. Also the chart is calculated for 9:50 p.m., but planetary positions are set for 4:50 p.m. Planets are set for local mean time, and house cusps are set for Greenwich mean time, which differ by one hour. Generally criticized as hopelessly confused.
Susan Manuel hypothesizes that Sibly worked from the Aries Ingress and Cancer Ingresses preceding the Declaration of Independence, using the Cancer ingress angles, transiting positions as of July 4, as of noon in Philadelphia, but set for London, as the U.S. did not yet have a capital.
Best viewed as a symbolically derived horoscope, rather than one for a historical moment.
Proclamation of Independence July 8 1776, noon in Philadelphia. This chart has Libra rising, with Saturn exalted on the Ascendant, and the Moon in Aries.
GL: July 8, 1776, 'high noon' (when the Sun was 90 deg to the horizon) the official public reading of the Declaration, and then big celebrations that followed. For the beginning of the celebrations, I use 12:28pm LMT.
What sign placements are certain regardless of the time with July 4?

Apr 25, 2020 • 2h 24min
Becca Tarnas on Outer Planet Cycles and Jung’s Red Book
Episode 251 features an interview with astrologer Becca Tarnas where we talk about her work on the Red Book of Carl Jung, as well as the connection between outer planet cycles and recent world events.
Becca practices archetypal astrology, and is the current editor of Archai: The Journal of Archetypal Cosmology, which recently released its seventh issue in January, titled Historical Roots and Current Flowerings.
During the course of the interview we talk about her background in archetypal astrology, what it is like to be a second generation astrologer, why Jung's Red Book is important and relevant to astrologers, and how the recent Saturn-Pluto conjunction relates to events happening in the world now.
Becca received her PhD in Philosophy and Religion at the California Institute of Integral Studies in San Francisco, with a dissertation titled The Back of Beyond: The Red Books of C.G. Jung and J.R.R. Tolkien.
For those who were interested in the discussion about Jung's Red Book in this episode, I'd recommend checking out the longer lecture on her YouTube channel on The Astrology of Jung's Red Book.
You can find out more information about Becca through her website:
BeccaTarnas.com
This episode is available in both audio and video versions below.
Timestamps
Here are some timestamps for topics covered at different points in the episode:
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:50 Becca's background
00:02:08 Archetype definition
00:08:16 Becca's astrology journey
00:11:00 Did she rebel against astrology?
00:17:00 Her astrology education
00:21:17 Archai Journal
00:24:56 Archetypal astrology
00:28:00 Technical disputes?
00:30:40 Archai Journal issue 7
00:36:25 Jung's Red Book
00:44:50 Archetypes and the Red Book
00:50:37 Uranus Neptune and the Red Book
00:54:38 Why Red Book wasn't published sooner
00:58:21 Jung's break with Freud
01:00:00 WWI
01:01:13 Jung's chart
01:02:27 1913-15 Saturn Pluto conjunction
01:07:18 Outer planet cycles
01:09:50 Obama and Uranus Pluto
01:12:30 Mary Wollstonecraft and Uranus Pluto
01:17:27 Saturn Pluto cycles
01:25:06 2020 Saturn Pluto conjunctions
01:32:33 Generational gifts
01:33:58 Jupiter Saturn 1980's
01:36:04 2020 presidential primary
01:37:45 Saturn Pluto stress test
01:39:10 Late 1980's chart
01:40:28 9/11 Saturn Pluto
01:44:19 More about Saturn Pluto
01:53:00 Saturn return orbs
01:57:23 Saturn Pluto future dates
02:19:16 Becca's work and contact info
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Transcript
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Apr 21, 2020 • 2h 49min
Alan White: Intro to Hellenistic Astrology
Episode 250 features a lecture by the late astrologer Alan White on an introduction to Hellenistic astrology, followed by an audio interview with Alan about his life and work from 2010.
Alan began studying astrology seriously in the 1980s, and then in the mid-1990s he discovered Project Hindsight and developed a deep interest in ancient astrology.
He created an introductory lecture on Hellenistic astrology using a flip chart that he presented at a number of astrological meetings in the 2000s, and one of these presentations in 2001 led to Demetra George teaching a course on the subject at Kepler College.
Alan died at the age of 69 on August 18, 2011 after a long battle with cancer. I visited him a few months before he died, and asked him to record a version of his intro to Hellenistic astrology lecture, to have it on the historical record.
The first 90 minutes of this episode after the intro consists of Alan's intro to Hellenistic astrology lecture, while the second half is an interview I did with Alan for my old podcast called Traditional Astrology Radio that was recorded and aired on December 7, 2010.
Below I'm going to include the obituary I wrote for Alan after he died, since the old astrologers memorial website that used to have it has disappeared.
You can also find high resolution images of Alan's flip chart in a gallery below.
This episode is available in both audio and video versions below.
Alan White (1942-2011)
Born on January 1, 1942 at 11:37 AM in Washington, D.C. Alan White's birth chart
Died on August 18, 2011 at 1:36 PM in Edenton, North Carolina.
Astrologer Alan White passed away on Thursday, August 18th in Edenton, North Carolina after a long illness. He was 69 years old. He is survived by his wife, Jaan Stephens-White, and his three children, Jeanette, Christopher and Virginia.
A native of Washington, D.C. Alan joined the Army in 1961 shortly after graduating from high school, and served in Vietnam from 1963-64 as a green beret with the 5th Special Forces Group. After completing his service in the military, he spent time focusing on his education, and held a series of jobs prior to retiring which included work as a mechanic, a travelling salesman and an astrologer.
Alan’s interest in astrology began in 1963 when he bought a Zodiac watch in Saigon which depicted the phases of the Moon. Initially skeptical about the subject, he began studying it seriously in the 1970s, eventually attending his first astrological conference in the 1980s. Disappointed that many of the approaches to astrology that he had been exposed to at that point came off as too “airy-fairy,” he longed for a more concrete take on the subject. He found what he was looking for in 1995 when he discovered traditional astrology through Project Hindsight by attending the second PHASE Conclave in Berkeley Springs, West Virginia. Alan subsequently became an ardent supporter and eventually a close associate of the Project.
He began giving introductory lectures on Hellenistic astrology in the late 1990s, and was an active member of the Northern Virginia Chapter of the NCGR in the early 2000s. In summarizing his philosophy of astrology, he was particularly fond of a statement by the Medieval astrologer Guido Bonatti that the purpose of astrology is to reconstruct the past, understand the present, and predict the future.
In May of 2001 he was sent to Seattle to run a trade show booth for Project Hindsight at the annual Northwest Astrological Conference. The first class of students from the newly opened Kepler College of Astrological Arts and Sciences had just completed its first year, and the entire class was in attendance at the conference. One night at the conference Alan was sitting in the lounge talking with a group of Kepler students and regaling them with stories about Hellenistic astrology, and they became intrigued enough to encourage him to put on an impromptu lecture on the subject in an empty conference room that same night. The lecture was particularly successful, to the extent that the Kepler students encouraged one of their teachers who had also attended the lecture, Demetra George, to develop a course on Hellenistic astrology for the Kepler curriculum. Demetra subsequently travelled to the east coast and spent several months studying under Alan and Robert Schmidt of Project Hindsight during the winter of 2001/2. She began teaching the course on Hellenistic astrology at Kepler in 2002, and many students were first introduced to the subject within that context. To whatever extent the subsequent revival of Hellenistic astrology today and in the future is the result of Demetra’s teachings or those whom she taught, it is thanks to Alan that this transmission was able to take place. In many ways this is his most lasting legacy and contribution to the astrological community.
Alan's Intro to Hellenistic Astrology Flip Chart
Here are high resolution images of the flip chart that Alan used in his intro to Hellenistic astrology lecture:
Timestamps
Here are some timestamps for topics covered at different points in the episode:
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:22 Alan's birth chart
00:04:35 The impact of Alan's lecture
00:09:00 Robert Schmidt and Project Hindsight
00:12:00 Alan's obituary
00:17:56 Part 1 of lecture
00:21:00 Astrology definition
00:22:10 Project Hindsight
00:23:10 Restoration of the Astrology of the West
00:24:13 History of astrology
00:29:04 Planets
00:31:20 Sun
00:32:19 Mercury
00:33:05 Venus
00:33:29 Mars
00:34:00 Jupiter
00:34:30 Saturn
00:34:56 Moon
00:36:24 Detriment
00:37:05 Sect
00:38:18 Houses
00:40:17 Part 2
00:40:27 Signs
00:48:21 Aspects
00:52:20 Mitigating Sympathies
00:53:35 Rulership
00:59:08 Solar phase
01:04:24 Lunar Concepts
01:10:25 7 Hermetic Lots
01:15:04 3 Grand Approaches
01:16:15 7 Hellenistic Techniques
01:17:22 7 Topical Methods
01:19:34 Time Lords
01:24:05 Transits
01:28:38 Thema Mundi
01:35:01 Ages of Pisces and Aries
01:36:37 Age of Aquarius
01:37:07 Outer Planets
01:51:39 Start of Chris' interview with Alan
01:52:42 Alan's background
02:02:00 Influence of Alan's military background
02:04:40 Alan and Robert Schmidt
02:05:20 Sun ruling Cancer
02:07:05 Modern astrology
02:09:45 Discovery degrees and outer planets
02:16:50 July 6, 1775 Chart of the US
02:28:18 Politics in astrology
02:30:55 Definition of astrology
02:32:22 Astrology and academics
02:38:30 Criticism of evolutionary astrology
02:41:30 Purpose of Sect
02:43:20 Lots
02:43:50 Planets and causation
02:46:18 Fate and Free Will
02:47:40 Closing remarks
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Mar 29, 2020 • 1h 41min
Robert Zoller, Pioneer in Reviving Medieval Astrology
Episode 249 features a tribute to the astrologer Robert Zoller, who passed away in January, and was a pioneer in the revival of the study and practice of medieval astrology.
Zoller's book The Arabic Parts in Astrology: A Lost Key to Prediction (1980) was one of the first books which helped to contribute to the revival of traditional astrology in the 1980s and 90s.
Later he was one of the principal founders of Project Hindsight in 1992, alongside Robert Schmidt and Robert Hand, and he produced several translations from Latin under the auspices of that project, including parts of Guido Bonatti, Al Kindi’s On Stellar Rays, and the Liber Hermetis.
He left Hindsight due to creative differences relatively early in the project, but continued teaching and promoting medieval astrology.
He began offering a written certification course in medieval astrology, which a number of high profile astrologers graduated from, including Benjamin Dykes and Christopher Warnock.
He later received some recognition for his predictions about the September 11th 2001 terrorist attacks, and was featured in a 2005 History Channel episode on the topic.
He struggled with Parkinson's Disease, which developed in the 1990s and left him debilitated much of the time by the 2000s, thus slowing his creative output in later years. He passed away on January 24, 2020.
The first part of this podcast episode features a discussion with Benjamin Dykes about Zoller's life and work. Ben studied and attained certification with Zoller, and since then has gone on to continue much of what Zoller started in terms of recovering the medieval tradition.
The second half of the episode features an hour long interview that I conducted with Zoller on my old podcast called Traditional Astrology Radio on January 9, 2011. The audio quality is not very good, but the content of the interview does a pretty good job of covering the full range of Zoller's life and work.
This episode is available in both audio and video versions below.
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Mar 27, 2020 • 2h 41min
April 2020 Astrology Forecast + Coronavirus Discussion
In episode 248 astrologers Kelly Surtees, Austin Coppock, and Chris Brennan discuss the astrology of the recent coronavirus pandemic, and later provide a general astrological forecast for April of 2020.
This is our first episode together since we recorded the last forecast in mid-February, and the world has changed a lot since that time.
We decided to focus on talking about the pandemic in the first half of the episode, and then eventually transition into the monthly forecast later on.
A lot of our discussion about the coronavirus focuses on the Saturn-Pluto conjunction that went exact in early January when the pandemic was just ramping up, as well as the Mars-Saturn conjunction that is happening in the sky now.
Later we briefly touched on some things like the doctrine of subsumption in mundane astrology, and the discovery of a new comet that may be visible soon.
Honestly we covered so much in this episode that it is hard to summarize it all here, so you'll have to listen in.
This episode is available in both audio and video versions below.
Our Websites
KellysAstrology.com
AustinCoppock.com
ChrisBrennanAstrologer.com
Planetary Alignments for April 2020
Venus moves into Gemini April 3
Enters shadow from April 9/10.
Jupiter conjunct Pluto exact April 4
Full Moon in Libra April 7
Mars square Uranus same day
Mercury into Aries April 11
Sun into Taurus April 19
New Moon in Taurus April 22
Pluto stations retrograde April 25
Mercury moves into Taurus April 27
Auspicious Astrological Date for April
April is not a great month this year for good elections, and the best chart we could find was:
🪐 April 18, at 8:45 AM, Gemini rising
We will present a few other elections for April on our private subscriber-only podcast on auspicious elections in the next few days.
We also have a full year-ahead electional astrology report for 2020, which highlights some better charts for later in the year.
Watch the Video Version of Our April Astrology Forecast
Here is the video version of our April astrology forecast episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL399uI8cgk
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Transcript
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Mar 23, 2020 • 2h 9min
Mythic Astrology and Venus Retrogrades with Arielle Guttman
Episode 247 features an interview with astrologer Arielle Guttman about her work on using myth as an interpretive device in astrology, as well as the importance of the synodic cycle of Venus, providing insight into the upcoming Venus retrograde.
Arielle is the author of the books Mythic Astrology and Mythic Astrology Applied, as well as Venus Star Rising: A New Cosmology for the Twenty-First Century.
During the course of the interview we talk about Arielle's background in astrology and how she got into it, her work with Jim Lewis on relocational astrology, the use of myth as a tool to help explicate archetypes in astrology, and her work on what she calls the Venus Star Point.
The Venus Star Point in natal astrology is the conjunction between Venus and the Sun that occurred prior to your birth, which creates a sensitive degree in your chart, and also locks in a resonance between that phase of Venus whenever it reoccurs later in your life.
Here is a handout from Arielle's website for calculating your Venus Star Point:
Find your Venus Star Point PDF Handout
You can find out more information about Arielle's work through her website:
SophiaVenus.com
Arielle came out to Denver to give a talk for our local astrology group during the second week of March, but this was just as the COVID-19 pandemic was breaking out in the US, so we switched her talk to a webinar on Saturday, March 14, and then recorded this podcast the following day.
If you enjoy this episode of the podcast, the webinar the previous day went into a bit more detail about her work on Venus, and the recording is available as an episode of the Casual Astrology Podcast for patrons.
This episode was co-hosted by astrologers Chris Brennan and Leisa Schaim.
This episode is available in both audio and video versions below.
Timestamps
Here are some timestamps for topics covered at different points in the episode:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:11 Arielle's books and background
00:10:46 Astrocartography
00:20:12 Asteroids
00:24:38 How myth is used in astrology
00:33:38 Using mythic astrology with clients
00:35:30 Myth of Ceres and Persephone
00:40:13 Stories of planets that aren't prominent
00:41:56 Transit of Pluto to Ceres
00:43:13 Hermes story
00:45:47 How mythic stories help clients
00:48:55 Archetypes
00:52:19 Mythology of Venus
00:55:00 The two sides of Venus
00:58:00 Two Venus statues
00:58:56 Complexity of Venus in astrology
01:02:20 2012 Mayan astrology Venus transit
01:04:15 Venus as evening and morning star
01:07:38 Importance of Venus kazimi
01:10:06 Mayan fascination with Venus
01:12:30 Masons and Venus pentagram
01:13:28 Rosary beads and Venus cycles
01:14:26 Meanings of Venus morning and evening star phases
01:21:09 Venus pentagram
01:23:53 Relationships on the Venus star
01:26:52 Venus retrograde pattern
01:30:54 Venus passing across the face of the Sun
01:31:35 The Venus Sun conjunction prior to your birth
01:32:00 Additional point for evening star Venus people
01:33:27 Venus Star Point 2020 in Gemini
01:34:40 Impact of Venus Star Point on your chart
01:35:33 People with same Venus Star Point as yours
01:40:25 When a person outshines their partner
01:42:30 Venus Star Point at the mundane level
01:52:09 What Venus retrograde means
01:58:50 Arielle's Venus Star Rising book
01:59:10 How to find your Venus Star Point link
02:04:30 Arielle's website and how to get a signed book
02:06:56 Her Mythic Astrology books
02:07:51 Closing remarks
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYO7gjnOyco
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Mar 9, 2020 • 2h 11min
The Four Elements in Astrology, with Darby Costello
Episode 246 features a discussion with astrologer Darby Costello about the four elements in astrology, and the way their archetypal meanings are applied to the signs of the zodiac.
The four classical elements in the western tradition are: fire, air, water, and earth.
The concept of the four elements originated in the Greek tradition with the pre-Socratic philosophers, and especially Empedocles in the 5th century BCE, with additional contributions later by Plato and Aristotle.
The four elements have been applied to the triplicities since at least the 1st century BCE, and Chris published a paper in 2013 showing how the assignment of the elements to the signs of the zodiac was based on the planetary joys scheme.
Darby wrote two books on the elements, titled Water and Fire: The Astrological Elements Book 1, and Earth and Air: The Astrological Elements Book 2.
During the course of this episode we talk about how Darby got into astrology, the history and philosophy behind the elements, and how they are applied to the signs of the zodiac to create pairs of signs with antithetical elemental qualities.
For more information about Darby's work visit her website:
https://www.darbycostello.co.uk
This episode is available in both audio and video versions below.
Timestamps
Here are some timestamps for topics covered at different points in the episode:
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:43 Darby's books
00:03:10 Darby's background
00:14:10 Sources of the elements
00:20:49 Plato, elements, triplicities
00:30:50 Aristotle and natural place
00:34:56 Archetypal qualities
00:43:40 Hot, cold, wet, dry qualities
00:54:29 Water signs
01:02:17 Air and fire signs
01:18:15 Element imbalances
01:24:15 Cancer Capricorn
01:30:35 Virgo Pisces
01:39:30 Taurus Scorpio
01:57:26 Aries Libra
02:07:30 Closing remarks
Watch the Video Version of This Episode
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqfK1H0qtYw
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Transcript
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Feb 29, 2020 • 2h 39min
March 2020 Astrology Forecast: Mars Conjunct Saturn in Aquarius
Episode 245 features the astrology forecast for March of 2020, with astrologers Kelly Surtees, Austin Coppock, and Chris Brennan.
The astrology of March features the tail end of the Mercury retrograde in Pisces and Aquarius, a Full Moon in Virgo, New Moon in Aries, and then ends with Saturn and Mars moving into Aquarius and forming a conjunction.
We spend the first hour and a half of the episode on the astrology forecast for March, and then in the final hour we transition into talking about a recent discussion about the concept of essential dignity in the astrological community.
This episode is available in both audio and video versions at the bottom of this page.
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News, Announcements, and Links to Stuff Mentioned
Here are links to some of the stuff mentioned in this episode:
Kelly's website
Austin's website
Chris' online astrology courses
#DignityBabes on Twitter
#DignityBabes on Instagram
Friend of Dorotheus T-shirt by @PhosphorAstro on Twitter
Planetary Alignments for March 2020
Mercury retrogrades back into Aquarius March 4
Venus moves into Taurus on March 4
Full Moon in Virgo March 9
Mercury stations direct in late Aquarius March 9
Mercury moves back into Pisces March 16
Sun moves into Aries March 19
Saturn moves into Aquarius March 21
New Moon in Aries March 24
Mars moves into Aquarius March 30
Auspicious Astrological Date for March
The auspicious election for March that was chosen by Leisa Schaim is set for:
🪐 March 22, 2020, starting at 9:10 AM, with Taurus rising
There are a three more electional charts that we found for March, which are available in our private subscriber-only podcast on auspicious elections that was just released a few days ago.
We also have a full year-ahead electional astrology report for 2020, which highlights one auspicious electional chart for each month this year.
Watch the Video Version of Our March Astrology Forecast
Here is the video version of our March astrology forecast episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOnzAJPHL0k
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Transcript
A full transcript of this episode is available: Episode 245 transcript
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