

Stay Human, from the Artificiality Institute
Helen and Dave Edwards
Exploring how AI changes the way we think, who we become, and what it means to be human. We explore how AI changes the way we think, who we become, and what it means to be human. We believe AI shouldn't just be safe or efficient—it should be worth it. Through story-based research, education, and community, we help people choose the relationship they want with machines—so they remain the authors of their own minds.
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Apr 24, 2022 • 60min
Megan Brown: Data Literacy
All major companies are working to increase the value of data science. Setting a goal may be easy but implementation often raises challenging questions. How should companies think about the role of data scientists, the challenge of increasing diversity in data science and increasing data literacy and data-driven decision-making?
In this episode, we talk with Megan Brown, the Director of Data Science for Starbucks’ Global Center of Excellence. Megan has a unique background. They have experience and expertise in both humans (with a PhD in experimental psychology) and in machines and data (as a practicing data scientist). This gives them a unique perspective on how to help others solve business problems with data.
We talk with Megan about their journey from fifth grade teacher to data scientist, how non-data science executives should make the most of data science, the responsibility of humans to act on predictions from models and make human-to-human connection, the challenge of asking data scientists to take on too many roles, the conundrum of self-service and their Aspen Institute-sponsored project to bring more diversity to data science by bringing Starbucks’ partners from the stores into data science roles.
About Artficiality from Helen & Dave Edwards:
Artificiality is a research and services business founded in 2019 to help people make sense of artificial intelligence and complex change. Our weekly publication provides thought-provoking ideas, science reviews, and market research and our monthly research releases provides leaders with actionable intelligence and insights for applying AI in their organizations. We provide research-based and expert-led AI strategy and complex change management services to organizations around the world.
We are artificial philosophers and meta-researchers who aim to make the philosophical more practical and the practical more philosophical. We believe that understanding AI requires synthesizing research across disciplines: behavioral economics, cognitive science, complexity science, computer science, decision science, design, neuroscience, philosophy, and psychology. We are dedicated to unraveling the profound impact of AI on our society, communities, workplaces, and personal lives.
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Feb 20, 2022 • 1h 14min
Peter Sterling: Decision Evolution
This week we talk with Peter Sterling, the author of What is Health.
Peter has had a long career in medicine and neuroscience. He has recently published in Jama Psychiatry, with Michael Platt, on Why Deaths of Despair Are Increasing in the US and Not Other Industrial Nations with many Insights From Neuroscience and Anthropology. While that might not sound like AI, we do wonder what the role of technology might be for all of us to make better personal decisions about our health.
Peter caught our attention with his concise and understandable description of how evolution, by optimizing for energy efficiency, has built human brains. We care about this for a couple of different reasons.
First, his work is relevant to how we make decisions as modern humans. This tells us the things that matter to us, where there are evolutionary mismatches and what we might do about it.
Second, here at Sonder Studio we care about how humans create meaning and how we learn and cohere with our communities—other brains and by implication, other intelligences. This leads us to be naturally curious about how brains work as well as how AI works. We are obsessed with understanding and designing for this interaction. We start our decision-making workshops with key insights from Peter’s book because it really matters to understand something about how our brains are built and what makes them so different from AI.
We really enjoyed this conversation and appreciate Peter’s time with us. We think you’’ll enjoy it too.
Links to things about Peter:
Lecture: What is Health? Cornell University Sept 2021
Interview by Andrew Keen: Homeostasis vs. Allostasis
Webinar: What does our species require for a healthy life
Interview: What does our species require for a healthy life?
Essay: Q&A in Current Biology
Lecture: What is Health?: NEI. Oct 27 2020.
Lecture/Interview: Conversatorio sobre racismo
Essay: Human design in a post-COVID world
Essay: Attention! One morning with a roving mind
Essay: Covid-19 and the harsh reality of empathy distribution Scientific American
Essay: How neuroscience could explain the rise of addictions, heart disease, and diabetes in 21st century America TIME
Twitter: Peter Sterling @whatishealth21
About Artficiality from Helen & Dave Edwards:
Artificiality is a research and services business founded in 2019 to help people make sense of artificial intelligence and complex change. Our weekly publication provides thought-provoking ideas, science reviews, and market research and our monthly research releases provides leaders with actionable intelligence and insights for applying AI in their organizations. We provide research-based and expert-led AI strategy and complex change management services to organizations around the world.
We are artificial philosophers and meta-researchers who aim to make the philosophical more practical and the practical more philosophical. We believe that understanding AI requires synthesizing research across disciplines: behavioral economics, cognitive science, complexity science, computer science, decision science, design, neuroscience, philosophy, and psychology. We are dedicated to unraveling the profound impact of AI on our society, communities, workplaces, and personal lives.
Subscribe for free at https://www.artificiality.world.
If you enjoy our podcasts, please subscribe and leave a positive rating or comment. Sharing your positive feedback helps us reach more people and connect them with the world’s great minds.
Learn more about Sonder Studio
Subscribe to get Artificiality delivered to your email
Learn about our book Make Better Decisions and buy it on Amazon
Thanks to Jonathan Coulton for our music
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.artificiality.world.
#ai #artificialintelligence #generativeai #airesearch #complexity #futureofai

Dec 12, 2021 • 1h 2min
Stephen Fleming: Metacognition
It’s human to know oneself. We are able to self-monitor, understand our cognition, and recognize gaps in our knowledge. This is called metacognition—we think about how we think. We can think of it as self-awareness or the ability to understand the state of our knowledge. In this episode, we talk with Stephen Fleming, Professor of Cognitive Neuroscience at University College London.
Steve has recently published a book on this topic called Know Thyself. We wanted to explore a number of ideas with him—metacognition as uniquely human, as an important skill, whether machines need to have some form of awareness and the issue of agency and machines.
In his book, Steve proposes that we either put self-awareness into machines, thereby reducing our need for self-awareness, or design interfaces that increase human self-awareness. If we have self-aware machines then we risk losing our own. If we want better self-awareness we must prioritize how an AI metacognition can show us its uncertainty and error. This second route is more likely to result in humans retaining autonomy. It preserves the human role of wrestling uncertainty, seeking explanations, and making sense of the world. Perhaps the biggest insight for us regarding agency and AI is how to think about it as having a structure. We talk about how true autonomy is aligning our choices and wants and how machines play a role.
About Artficiality from Helen & Dave Edwards:
Artificiality is a research and services business founded in 2019 to help people make sense of artificial intelligence and complex change. Our weekly publication provides thought-provoking ideas, science reviews, and market research and our monthly research releases provides leaders with actionable intelligence and insights for applying AI in their organizations. We provide research-based and expert-led AI strategy and complex change management services to organizations around the world.
We are artificial philosophers and meta-researchers who aim to make the philosophical more practical and the practical more philosophical. We believe that understanding AI requires synthesizing research across disciplines: behavioral economics, cognitive science, complexity science, computer science, decision science, design, neuroscience, philosophy, and psychology. We are dedicated to unraveling the profound impact of AI on our society, communities, workplaces, and personal lives.
Subscribe for free at https://www.artificiality.world.
If you enjoy our podcasts, please subscribe and leave a positive rating or comment. Sharing your positive feedback helps us reach more people and connect them with the world’s great minds.
Learn more about Sonder Studio
Subscribe to get Artificiality delivered to your email
Learn about our book Make Better Decisions and buy it on Amazon
Thanks to Jonathan Coulton for our music
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.artificiality.world.
#ai #artificialintelligence #generativeai #airesearch #complexity #futureofai

Jul 23, 2021 • 52min
Jevin West: Making Sense of Data
Have you ever wondered what it means to be data literate in a world of big data and AI? Now that so many decisions rely on information that is only readable by machine and our statistical intuitions, which were bad before, are now practically useless, what is data literacy in the age of AI and how important is it? We talked with Jevin West, assistant professor in the Information School at the University of Washington, co-founder of the DataLab, director of the Center for an Informed Public and co-author of the acclaimed book Calling B******t to ask these questions and more.
About Artficiality from Helen & Dave Edwards:
Artificiality is a research and services business founded in 2019 to help people make sense of artificial intelligence and complex change. Our weekly publication provides thought-provoking ideas, science reviews, and market research and our monthly research releases provides leaders with actionable intelligence and insights for applying AI in their organizations. We provide research-based and expert-led AI strategy and complex change management services to organizations around the world.
We are artificial philosophers and meta-researchers who aim to make the philosophical more practical and the practical more philosophical. We believe that understanding AI requires synthesizing research across disciplines: behavioral economics, cognitive science, complexity science, computer science, decision science, design, neuroscience, philosophy, and psychology. We are dedicated to unraveling the profound impact of AI on our society, communities, workplaces, and personal lives.
Subscribe for free at https://www.artificiality.world.
If you enjoy our podcasts, please subscribe and leave a positive rating or comment. Sharing your positive feedback helps us reach more people and connect them with the world’s great minds.
Learn more about Sonder Studio
Subscribe to get Artificiality delivered to your email
Learn about our book Make Better Decisions and buy it on Amazon
Thanks to Jonathan Coulton for our music
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.artificiality.world.
#ai #artificialintelligence #generativeai #airesearch #complexity #futureofai

Jul 13, 2021 • 43min
Michael Bungay Stanier: Staying Curious
Have you wondered what makes people different from machines? Well one thing is curiosity—curiosity is something that drives humans but as yet not machines. And one person that knows humans and curiosity is Michael Bungay Stanier, coach extraordinaire and well-known author of the best selling books The Coaching Habit and The Advice Trap.
We first met Michael at the House of Beautiful Business, a very special community that gathers in Lisbon each year to make humans more human and business more beautiful. All three of us will be back at the House again this November and we highly encourage you to join in person or online.
In this interview, we wanted to find out what makes a good coach. According to Michael, it is being able to stay curious just a little bit longer. Perhaps that is what will make humans better coaches than AI for a while yet.
About Artficiality from Helen & Dave Edwards:
Artificiality is a research and services business founded in 2019 to help people make sense of artificial intelligence and complex change. Our weekly publication provides thought-provoking ideas, science reviews, and market research and our monthly research releases provides leaders with actionable intelligence and insights for applying AI in their organizations. We provide research-based and expert-led AI strategy and complex change management services to organizations around the world.
We are artificial philosophers and meta-researchers who aim to make the philosophical more practical and the practical more philosophical. We believe that understanding AI requires synthesizing research across disciplines: behavioral economics, cognitive science, complexity science, computer science, decision science, design, neuroscience, philosophy, and psychology. We are dedicated to unraveling the profound impact of AI on our society, communities, workplaces, and personal lives.
Subscribe for free at https://www.artificiality.world.
If you enjoy our podcasts, please subscribe and leave a positive rating or comment. Sharing your positive feedback helps us reach more people and connect them with the world’s great minds.
Learn more about Sonder Studio
Subscribe to get Artificiality delivered to your email
Learn about our book Make Better Decisions and buy it on Amazon
Thanks to Jonathan Coulton for our music
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.artificiality.world.
#ai #artificialintelligence #generativeai #airesearch #complexity #futureofai

Jul 7, 2021 • 41min
Mollie Pettit: Visualizing Data
Making decisions with data requires some form of communication with data. But how do we communicate with numbers and characters and binary bits? The best way today is through data visualization.
Visualizing data has come a long way since the early days of hand-drawn charts and graphs. Starting with the desktop publishing revolution of the 1980s through to the current world of data viz tools in the cloud, anyone can create a graphical representation of data. While in many ways this democratization of data visualization is a good thing, it also means we're awash with charts and graphs, many of which unintentionally don't tell the story intended. Some intentionally mislead.
Visualizing data well is more complex than you might think and that's why we reached out to a true expert in the field, Mollie Pettit, to talk about how she approaches visualization. In particular, we were interested in some of the more complex issues like how to visualize confidence in data.
About Artficiality from Helen & Dave Edwards:
Artificiality is a research and services business founded in 2019 to help people make sense of artificial intelligence and complex change. Our weekly publication provides thought-provoking ideas, science reviews, and market research and our monthly research releases provides leaders with actionable intelligence and insights for applying AI in their organizations. We provide research-based and expert-led AI strategy and complex change management services to organizations around the world.
We are artificial philosophers and meta-researchers who aim to make the philosophical more practical and the practical more philosophical. We believe that understanding AI requires synthesizing research across disciplines: behavioral economics, cognitive science, complexity science, computer science, decision science, design, neuroscience, philosophy, and psychology. We are dedicated to unraveling the profound impact of AI on our society, communities, workplaces, and personal lives.
Subscribe for free at https://www.artificiality.world.
If you enjoy our podcasts, please subscribe and leave a positive rating or comment. Sharing your positive feedback helps us reach more people and connect them with the world’s great minds.
Learn more about Sonder Studio
Subscribe to get Artificiality delivered to your email
Learn about our book Make Better Decisions and buy it on Amazon
Thanks to Jonathan Coulton for our music
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.artificiality.world.
#ai #artificialintelligence #generativeai #airesearch #complexity #futureofai

Jun 29, 2021 • 1h 28min
Josh Lovejoy: Designing AI
Have you ever wondered about what it takes to design AI that doesn’t do more harm than good? We speak with Josh Lovejoy who is perhaps the most experienced out there in the field of human-centered AI design. At the time of our recording, Josh was Head of Design for Microsoft’s Ethics & Society team. Since our recording, Josh has taken a role as a UX Manager in Google’s Privacy & Data Protection Office. We started our interview by asking Josh why human-centered design is so important when working with AI.
About Artficiality from Helen & Dave Edwards:
Artificiality is a research and services business founded in 2019 to help people make sense of artificial intelligence and complex change. Our weekly publication provides thought-provoking ideas, science reviews, and market research and our monthly research releases provides leaders with actionable intelligence and insights for applying AI in their organizations. We provide research-based and expert-led AI strategy and complex change management services to organizations around the world.
We are artificial philosophers and meta-researchers who aim to make the philosophical more practical and the practical more philosophical. We believe that understanding AI requires synthesizing research across disciplines: behavioral economics, cognitive science, complexity science, computer science, decision science, design, neuroscience, philosophy, and psychology. We are dedicated to unraveling the profound impact of AI on our society, communities, workplaces, and personal lives.
Subscribe for free at https://www.artificiality.world.
If you enjoy our podcasts, please subscribe and leave a positive rating or comment. Sharing your positive feedback helps us reach more people and connect them with the world’s great minds.
Learn more about Sonder Studio
Subscribe to get Artificiality delivered to your email
Learn about our book Make Better Decisions and buy it on Amazon
Thanks to Jonathan Coulton for our music
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.artificiality.world.
#ai #artificialintelligence #generativeai #airesearch #complexity #futureofai

Jun 21, 2021 • 44min
Kate O'Neill: Humanizing Tech
Have you ever wondered what it means to be a humanist in the age of technology? How can we put human values into a machine? How can we even know what those human values are? We asked Kate O’Neill, founder of KO Insights and author of the Tech Humanist, this question and found that there’s a lot to work with when it comes to understanding humans and what they might want their machines to do.
About Artficiality from Helen & Dave Edwards:
Artificiality is a research and services business founded in 2019 to help people make sense of artificial intelligence and complex change. Our weekly publication provides thought-provoking ideas, science reviews, and market research and our monthly research releases provides leaders with actionable intelligence and insights for applying AI in their organizations. We provide research-based and expert-led AI strategy and complex change management services to organizations around the world.
We are artificial philosophers and meta-researchers who aim to make the philosophical more practical and the practical more philosophical. We believe that understanding AI requires synthesizing research across disciplines: behavioral economics, cognitive science, complexity science, computer science, decision science, design, neuroscience, philosophy, and psychology. We are dedicated to unraveling the profound impact of AI on our society, communities, workplaces, and personal lives.
Subscribe for free at https://www.artificiality.world.
If you enjoy our podcasts, please subscribe and leave a positive rating or comment. Sharing your positive feedback helps us reach more people and connect them with the world’s great minds.
Learn more about Sonder Studio
Subscribe to get Artificiality delivered to your email
Learn about our book Make Better Decisions and buy it on Amazon
Thanks to Jonathan Coulton for our music
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.artificiality.world.
#ai #artificialintelligence #generativeai #airesearch #complexity #futureofai

Jun 15, 2021 • 49min
Tania Lombrozo: Intuition and data
Have you ever wondered why we humans love to use our intuition even when we are surrounded by data and we also know that even simple algorithms can be more accurate than human judgment? We put that exact question to Tania Lombrozo, Arthur W. Marks ’19 Professor of Psychology and director of the Concepts & Cognition Lab at Princeton University, and it turns out that the answer is surprisingly complex.
About Artficiality from Helen & Dave Edwards:
Artificiality is a research and services business founded in 2019 to help people make sense of artificial intelligence and complex change. Our weekly publication provides thought-provoking ideas, science reviews, and market research and our monthly research releases provides leaders with actionable intelligence and insights for applying AI in their organizations. We provide research-based and expert-led AI strategy and complex change management services to organizations around the world.
We are artificial philosophers and meta-researchers who aim to make the philosophical more practical and the practical more philosophical. We believe that understanding AI requires synthesizing research across disciplines: behavioral economics, cognitive science, complexity science, computer science, decision science, design, neuroscience, philosophy, and psychology. We are dedicated to unraveling the profound impact of AI on our society, communities, workplaces, and personal lives.
Subscribe for free at https://www.artificiality.world.
If you enjoy our podcasts, please subscribe and leave a positive rating or comment. Sharing your positive feedback helps us reach more people and connect them with the world’s great minds.
Learn more about Sonder Studio
Subscribe to get Artificiality delivered to your email
Learn about our book Make Better Decisions and buy it on Amazon
Thanks to Jonathan Coulton for our music
This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.artificiality.world.
#ai #artificialintelligence #generativeai #airesearch #complexity #futureofai

Jun 7, 2021 • 52min
Steven Sloman: Trusting knowledge
Join Steven Sloman, a Professor of Cognitive, Linguistic and Psychological Sciences at Brown University, as he dives into the intriguing concept of the Knowledge Illusion—how we often believe we know more than we truly do. He discusses the cognitive challenges of explaining intuitive ideas, the dynamics of relying on community knowledge, and how our understanding is affected by AI. Sloman emphasizes the need for humility, open dialogue, and awareness of our cognitive limitations in a world increasingly influenced by technology.


