Second in Command: The Chief Behind the Chief with Cameron Herold

What if you could transform a team of rookies into high-performing, loyal leaders and stay sane in the process?This episode delivers an unfiltered look inside the mind of Richard Comitz, Chief Operating Officer of American Corporate Partners, a West Point PhD and retired Army Lieutenant Colonel now leading one of America’s most mission-driven nonprofits. He sits down with Narrator to unpack the proven discipline, radical transparency, and mentorship strategies he honed in combat and now deploys to scale an 80-person organization serving over 5,000 mentorships nationwide.Want to dodge burnout, ignite next-gen talent, and finally get your CEO partnerships working for—not against—you? Listen now. Skip it, and you risk getting buried by the next Ops crisis. This is an urgent, inside-access episode you won’t find anywhere else.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – The leadership power move that made junior staff instantly trust Richard Comitz[00:04:12] – Why a PhD, combat zones, and organic chemistry are COO superpowers (and how higher ed nearly cost him)[00:08:48] – How to “inherit” a role from a founder without clashing or caving[00:13:05] – The secret architecture behind training 60+ brand-new hires (and spotting future all-stars fast)[00:15:53] – Shocking truths of what actually works to fight young-employee burnout and what never does[00:19:30] – Hidden mentorship hacks that win powerful partners in Fortune 500s[00:23:16] – Does military “figure it out” energy work with Gen Z? The raw reality from the field[00:37:26] – Navigating founder-CEO rigidity and pitching bold new ideas (without ending up fired)About the GuestRichard Comitz is the Chief Operating Officer of American Corporate Partners (ACP), a powerhouse nonprofit connecting U.S. veterans and military spouses with Fortune 500 mentors for next-level careers. A retired Army Lieutenant Colonel, West Point organic chemistry instructor, and experienced higher education COO, Comitz is celebrated for turning disciplined military leadership into explosive organizational growth in both the public and nonprofit sectors.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesPeter Attia (podcast, health and nutrition)Andrew Huberman (Huberman Lab, neuroscience podcast)Jocko Podcast by Jocko Willink (Extreme Ownership, Navy SEAL leadership lessons)Joe Rogan Experience (podcast)Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink (book)West Point (U.S. Military Academy)About the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.

What if the difference between scaling up and burning out comes down to just one overlooked decision you make today?In this exclusive Second in Command episode, Cameron Herold sits down with Jon McNeill, former President of Tesla and COO of Lyft, and current CEO and Co-Founder of DVx Ventures, for a bold, eye-opening deep dive into the raw realities of being second in command at companies that redefine entire industries.You’ll hear battle-tested lessons on navigating visionary founders, eliminating organizational bloat, and building operating systems that drive exponential growth, plus what most leaders get dead wrong about innovation, hiring, and execution at scale.If you crave real-world playbooks and not more recycled platitudes, hit play now. Miss this conversation and risk falling into the same chaos that sinks even the greatest companies. Listen today to steal field-proven COO frameworks you won’t hear anywhere else before your competition does.Timestamped Highlights[00:03:16] – The $108 million mistake: why Jon McNeill turned down Uber and Tesla before they became giants[00:07:22] – From Bain to boardrooms: how Cameron Herold went from $1.8B to $20B in 30 months[00:14:49] – What it really feels like to drop into Tesla’s leadership team—no roadmap, only chaos[00:17:04] – The pivotal moment Cameron Herold broke the rules at Tesla and why Elon Musk said “You’ll fit right in”[00:21:09] – The “Big Thing” meeting—the deceptively simple method Cameron Herold stole from Facebook’s top minds[00:26:43] – How to push back (and win) with the world’s most demanding CEO[00:36:11] – The ruthless self-topgrading system that kept Tesla lean—could you survive it?[00:47:11] – Tesla’s “Algorithm” revealed: the counterintuitive systems any leader can stealAbout the GuestJon McNeill is the former President of Tesla and COO of Lyft, a renowned serial entrepreneur, and current CEO and Co-founder of DVx Ventures. Recognized for multiplying company valuations and pioneering operational mastery at the world’s most innovative companies, Jon now empowers founders and operators to scale with speed and discipline. His latest book, The Algorithm, reveals the operating system behind Tesla’s success and is quickly becoming a must-read for growth-focused leaders.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesTeslaLyftBain & CompanyBain CapitalAndreessen Horowitz1-800-GOT-JUNKFacebook (Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg)Uber (Travis Kalanick, Garrett Camp)Tim FerrissSolarCity (Pete Reeve, Lyndon Rive)College Pro PaintersSpaceXSalesforceYPOQueen’s UniversityHard Thing About Hard Things (Ben Horowitz – book)Good to Great (Jim Collins – book)Insanely Simple (Ken Segall – book)Important LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.

Matt MacInnis, Rippling COO and former Inkling co-founder with Apple and Harvard engineering roots, shares hard-earned operational wisdom. He unpacks Rippling’s product architecture and market flywheel. He explains COO-CEO trust, topgrading for executive hiring, killing bureaucracy, co-pilot dynamics, and how to handle layoffs with speed and precision.

Feeling the pressure to scale but terrified of losing your best people, or watching team morale dissolve as your business grows?This episode, guest host Sivana Brewer gets real with Isaac Tobelen, current CMO at Springs Rejuvenation and seasoned COO, on the inside challenges of recruiting, retaining, and motivating talent in rapid-growth settings. Isaac shares proven systems for hiring culture-aligned operators, the brutal mistakes that cost him top performers, and how “Innovation Day” became a surprising game-changer for agency culture.If you want actionable tactics to build a resilient team and avoid silent exits, listen now, not later. Your next big hire, retention strategy, or culture upgrade may hinge on these lessons. Tune in for exclusive, hard-won insights that most COOs only learn the hard way.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – The “quiet risk” that nearly cratered Isaac’s agency and why losing one key player can trigger a domino effect[03:08] – Rewiring direct response marketing for an unexpected industry and scaling it to $1.2M/month[08:59] – Why competitors keep stealing Isaac’s ads, but can’t touch his team’s execution[11:08] – The secret overlap of visionary CEO and practical COO—why it worked for Isaac and Ashton[13:49] – How teaching people “how to think” crushed micromanagement and burnout[15:02] – The counterintuitive hiring process that filters for real values (not just resume skills)[24:29] – Unconventional interview tactics, homework, and the non-negotiables that reveal true fit[32:00] – “Innovation Day” revealed – How letting teams fail forward built trust and inspired breakthrough creativity[38:11] – Isaac’s 2 biggest mistakes: concentrated risk and a disastrous acquisition—what he’d do differently[52:44] – Is AI really changing everything? Isaac’s blunt take on what’s hype, what actually matters, and why talent must upskill nowAbout the GuestIsaac Tobelen is the Chief Marketing Officer at Springs Rejuvenation, a leader in stem cell and exosome therapy. Previously, he was COO at Hemon Media, where he scaled the agency to $500K/month in 18 months, managed $36M+ ad budgets, and built high-performing teams from scratch. Isaac is known for his systems thinking, rapid operational scale, and real-world people development.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesFrank Kern (Mass Control)ClickUpAsanaJim Collins (“flywheel” concept)EOS – Entrepreneurial Operating SystemAbout the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.

Ever wondered how legendary operations leaders onboard 800 seasonal hires for world-class performance in just 30 minutes? What if your biggest edge wasn’t tech, but radical clarity, proven systems, and the courage to democratize what most companies hide?In this revealing conversation, guest host Sivana Brewer sits down with Tom Root, Managing Partner at Zingerman’s Mail Order and a driving force behind its remarkable open-book management culture. Tom isn’t just running a $24M operation; he’s helping to architect the Zingerman’s way, a playbook that turns consensus, culture, and scientific thinking into a market advantage.Dive in to discover how Tom’s team hires 800 people for the holidays, keeps SOPs thrillingly relevant, leverages just-in-time knowledge systems, and makes “lean” truly work. If you crave real answers on scaling without chaos or losing culture, THIS episode is your exclusive playbook to operational victory. Listen now to avoid another year of stalled growth, outdated systems, and disconnected teams.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – Why “democratization” is a double-edged sword for accountability[03:07] – Zingerman’s wild origin: Russian anarchists, consensus, no classic CEO—and their bold growth vision[06:37] – Why illustrated food (not photos) is marketing magic…and why it works[13:27] – The single ops lever for onboarding 800 people in 30 minutes (no, it’s not superstar managers)[17:28] – Secrets behind just-in-time knowledge, digital twins, and how training is dead[23:15] – “Tim’s Law”: What happens when only one person “knows everything” and how to fix it[28:41] – Radical SOP audits, the core mistake most leaders make (and how Tom solved it)[31:39] – How open-book management paid off $300K debt and kept Zingerman’s profitable every year since[42:09] – Scientific thinking vs. the “tools” trap, and why organizations resist outsidAbout the GuestTom Root is Managing Partner at Zingerman’s Mail Order, part of the legendary Zingerman’s Community of Businesses in Michigan. He’s recognized for championing open book management, building empowered teams, and pioneering proven operational systems that help Zingerman’s scale their beloved brand while keeping culture alive. Tom’s unique perspective joins hands-on leadership with a background in tech, manufacturing, and continuous improvement.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesZingerman’s Community of BusinessesOpen Book ManagementLean Manufacturing / Toyota KataGoogle Sites (for internal wikis)The Great Game of Business by Jack StackZingerman’s BakehouseUniversity of Michigan (operations partnerships)About the Co-HostSivana Brewer is a Fractional COO for Remote Teams and former COO at Closers.io, where she helped scale the company to multiple eight figures and built over 500+ sales teams in just 2.5 years. She specializes in leadership development, remote operations, and systems that empower teams to grow sustainably.🔗 Connect with Sivana on LinkedInImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake Cameron’s leadership course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold and co-hosted by Sivana Brewer. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.

Struggling to scale your law firm or lead expert teams without burning out or losing your edge?You’re not alone. In this episode, Cameron Herold brings you an unfiltered, radically honest conversation with Dan Cuneo, COO of Melone Hatley. Dan reveals the surprising truth behind law firm growth, why lawyers love culture but hate change, and the communication systems driving results in a multi-office, 100+ employee business.What does it really take to compete, attract talent, and thrive when AI, client demand, and team alignment keep shifting? Get the inside playbook, raw stories, and proven systems to finally build sustainable scale, without sacrificing humanity or profit.Listen now, because the biggest risks are waiting, hoping, and copying what every other law firm is already doing. This episode delivers exclusive, actionable strategies that win with today’s top talent and future-proof your firm.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – The one business skill most lawyers are missing (and why it holds firms back)[04:10] – How Melone Hatley picks winning markets and why they avoid the “big city trap”[07:25] – Recruiting smart attorneys: drive vs. ambition, culture fit vs. pure skill[10:54] – Topgrading and the secrets to high-impact, low-turnover legal hiring[13:21] – Can a non-lawyer run law firm ops? Why Dan says “it depends,” and what really matters[15:31] – From band-aids to sustainable hires: scaling up, alignment, and culture that actually sticks[17:15] – The silent killer: how misalignment eats into growth (and what to do about it)[20:18] – The real impact of AI in law: opportunity, risk, and what Dan refuses to automate[25:26] – Marketing channels that don’t work anymore and how Dan finds blue ocean opportunitiesAbout the GuestDan Cuneo is the COO of Melone Hatley, a rapidly scaling multi-state family law and estate planning firm known for its aggressive, people-first approach to talent and market expansion. With 100+ team members across multiple offices, Dan is a rare law firm leader who combines litigation experience with a relentless business-building mindset. He’s a TEDx speaker, champion of culture-first leadership, and a voice for operational innovation in a tradition-resistant industry.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourcesTopgrading (hiring methodology)Scaling Up (business operating system)EOS (Entrepreneurial Operating System)Next Level GrowthGoogle Ads / PPCGeofencing marketingFairway Divorce (referenced client)Hennessy Digital (SEO for law firms)TEDx Tampa (event)Who (book by Geoff Smart)Death by Meeting by Patrick LencioniJim Collins (concepts on communication, leadership cadence)Important LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.

Are you tired of chaotic operations, burned-out teams, and the relentless pressure to execute big visions without breaking yourself in the process? In this can’t-miss fan favorite episode, Cameron Herold goes deep with Griff Long, former COO of Orangetheory Fitness, a leader who’s transformed personal growth and business results at some of America’s top brands. If you’re a second-in-command, exhausted by firefighting and silo wars, this conversation will shake up your playbook. Griff shares battle-tested leadership secrets, why people (not processes) matter most, and how data-driven innovation is gripping the fitness world.Skip another mediocre “growth” podcast. Listen now to avoid the #1 pain point for COOs: stagnant teams, missed opportunities, and burnout. This is your backstage pass to proven strategies and exclusive insights you won’t get anywhere else.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – Why this episode is a fan-favorite (and why you need it now)[00:28] – Griff’s devastating rookie mistake and how it reshaped his approach[01:24] – The “double threat” that got Griff hired at Orangetheory[03:09] – The surprising science and secrets behind Orangetheory’s addictively sticky workouts[09:33] – Griff’s golden thread technique for obliterating silos and boosting buy-in[13:00] – Why running corporate-owned studios is Orangetheory’s secret weapon[16:02] – How Griff rebuilt the org chart and what every COO should copy[19:20] – Laser focus vs. death by a thousand cuts: How to avoid competitive distraction[25:19] – Griff’s top-three leadership lessons (and the #1 thing he’d tell his 22-year-old self)[34:08] – The red/yellow/green “traffic light” playbook for direct reports and leadership developmentAbout the GuestGriff Long is the former COO of Orangetheory Fitness, blending 25+ years of hands-on leadership with a passion for measurable growth and elite team culture. Known for scaling fitness giants like PureBar and SoulCycle, Griff has rebuilt teams, crushed operational bottlenecks, and championed transformations using data and heart. He’s a US Triathlon Coach, a Six Sigma Green Belt, and a master at developing people before processes—essential context for any COO facing existential growth pains.🔗 LinkedIn | Website | Facebook | InstagramMentioned ResourcesSix Sigma (Green Belt, Failure Mode Effect Analysis)Pure BarreSoulCycleEquinoxHertzSteve Case (Flex Car)Bridgewater State UniversityInBody Scales (BMI tracking)Tony Robbins: State, Story, Strategy1-800-GOT-JUNKImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via Delphi

Amy Emberling, Managing Partner of Zingerman’s Bakehouse and operations leader who scaled an artisan bakery into a multimillion-dollar business. She discusses the Community of Businesses model, why the founders refused to franchise, visible vision and rituals that create ownership, simple hiring realities for frontline roles, and how small culture practices turn hourly staff into passionate team members.

Are you tired of feeling trapped in the chaos of scaling, with too many projects and not enough clarity on what actually drives growth? In this episode, host Cameron Herold sits down with Josh Post, COO of Cabochon Group and longtime COO Alliance member, for an emotionally raw, practical conversation about breaking out of operational overwhelm.Josh reveals how he went from reluctant family business leader to proven integrator, leading turnarounds, managing conflict, and creating systems real teams can actually use. From delegating all the right things to mastering financial fluency, you’ll get the strategies and truth bombs most COOs wish they had known at the start.If you’re hungry to escape burnout and unlock your next level as a second-in-command, listen now to avoid the expensive mistakes nearly everyone makes while scaling. This episode delivers unfiltered wisdom you won’t find anywhere else, and the urgency to take action before chaos catches up with you.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – Why most owners don’t know how their business really makes money (and what to do about it)[03:25] – The journey from accidental entrepreneur to turning around failing operations[06:00] – Exclusive lessons learned surviving and thriving inside – a family business[10:19] – How Josh navigated a tense partner buyout and instantly simplified everything[13:46] – Choosing the right leadership roles: birth order, strengths, and painful missteps[16:09] – The only books and frameworks that actually moved the needle (and why “just-in-time learning” beats old-school reading habits)[20:22] – From swinging hammers to overseeing finance – demystifying numbers when you’re not a CPA[26:42] – Weekly pulse meetings, candid conflict, and the real CEO-COO dance[29:04] – How fractional COO work revealed the true bottlenecks in small business growth[33:13] – The most costly mistake COOs make (and how Josh trains owners to finally be “all in”)About the GuestJosh Post is an industry-recognized Business Turnaround Expert and Fractional Chief Operating Officer who specializes in business recovery, optimization, and rapid growth. Between his position as a COO with The Cabochon Group of Companies and his work as an Independent Expert, he manages a diverse portfolio of over $57 Million spanning several industries.From streamlining operations and accounting to marketing and even acquisition, The Cabochon Group of Companies is the ultimate business support hub where businesses can access a unified strategy from a single source of seasoned professionals that provide a comprehensive, integrated experience.As a Fractional COO and Business Advisor Josh leverages his expertise to provide businesses with targeted, one-on-one guidance on the critical challenges threatening operations. Through resources like his signature business assessment, the Business MRI, he’s able to hone in on the root issues, tailoring strategies that work.He credits the COO Alliance for helping him to overcome imposter syndrome, teaching him how to harness his strengths as a Galvanizer and Enabler to drive execution and momentum at scale.🔗 LinkedIn | Website | CompanyMentioned ResourcesCanadian Association of Family Enterprise (CAFE)John Maxwell (Servant Leadership)Tribal Leadership by Dave LoganEOS/TractionRyan Deiss, Roland FrasierScalableSimple Numbers by Greg CrabtreeBob Gavreau CPAQuickBooksGood to Great by Jim CollinsImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiThe Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand

What if the real key to scaling your business isn’t a revolutionary product, but your ability to build a culture where “weirdness” is an asset and radical respect transforms politics into partnership?In this electric episode, Cameron Herold sits down with John McDonald, Chief Operating Officer at Poshmark, to unpack how one of the world’s most beloved marketplaces keeps growing in spite of Goliath competitors and shifting markets.Together, they reveal why most leaders get core values wrong, how Poshmark keeps small sellers winning (not just the giants), and what it truly takes to expand internationally without derailing your DNA. John’s stories are real, the lessons are battle-tested, and you won’t find a paint-by-numbers playbook here—only hard-won insights and rare candor from inside the trenches.Don’t wait. Listen now to avoid building a company that stalls at “good enough,” or tears itself apart scaling fast. This episode unveils systems, strategies, and human truths you won’t hear anywhere else.Timestamped Highlights[00:00] – Why this “fan favorite” episode is back and the lesson it delivers for every second-in-command[02:20] – What Harvard Business School actually teaches about decision-making in chaos[05:28] – Unmasking Poshmark’s origin: Why the human touch, not tech, is their unfair advantage[09:00] – The $1,000 sneaker flip… and how Poshmark makes money (no nickel-and-diming)[13:24] – What really changes when you grow from 35 to 400+ people (and where companies go wrong)[19:41] – How they killed company politics and the “respect” system that keeps silos from forming[23:04] – Are your “core values” just words? The surprising reason Poshmark’s work (and most don’t)[28:37] – How Poshmark protects small sellers—and why giving back unlocks explosive growth[33:57] – The dangerous moment for org charts: when matrix thinking becomes non-negotiable[40:55] – Why learning to listen is the hardest (and most critical) leadership skill for COOsAbout the GuestJohn McDonald is the Chief Operating Officer of Poshmark, a leading social commerce platform revolutionizing how the next generation shops and sells. With a deep background in marketplace management (including eight years at eBay), John’s powered Poshmark’s exponential growth and built culture-first teams that thrive. He’s a Harvard MBA, an operations architect, and a fierce advocate for scaling with love and discipline.🔗 LinkedIn | WebsiteMentioned ResourceseBayNingProcter & GambleHarvard Business SchoolUniversity of California, Berkeley1-800-GOT-JUNKAmazonLululemonImportant LinksConnect with Cameron: Website | LinkedInExplore the COO Alliance - The World’s Leading Community for Seconds in CommandGet Cameron’s book: Second in Command: Unleash the Power of Your COO BookTake his course: Invest In Your Leaders Online Course (Use promo code PODCAST10 before the end of the month for 10% off)Chat or video call with AI Cameron via DelphiNote: This Fan Favorite episode is a recast of one of our most impactful interviews, still packed with insights for second-in-command leaders. Whether it’s your first listen or a revisit, there’s timeless value inside.The Second in Command Podcast is an original production hosted by Cameron Herold. Brought to you by COO Alliance. Production and editing by Podcast Your Brand.