

World of Wisdom
World of Wisdom
A curiosity driven podcast about wisdom, learning and the personal and systemic implications of the transition we are in. Hosted by Amit Paul and Nils von Heijne. For extended shownotes visit: https://worldofwisdom.substack.com/
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Jun 16, 2022 • 1h 20min
134. Pamela von Sabljar - An experiment: Dialogue from Eros - letting life force show the way
Pamela von Sabljar is a different breed of facilitator and a fellow explorer of this shift we're in. Her most recent masterclass is actually called "Facilitating the shift". She works as a radical facilitator and coach, contexts where you might have come across her most recently is at Rebel Wisdom, the STOA, Emerge, Nordic Womens Gathering. For more background take a listen to EP 104 for an exploration on the masculine and feminine principles. Or visit her webpage (I can personally vouch for the Facilitating The Shift master class). This episode is quite different. It is an exploration of eros or life force. It is an experiment in a practice Pamela is a wisdom keeper of and a practice Amit has been engaging with. It is an invitation to a creative space, a practice of speaking when spoken through, an energy or perhaps a transmission. We explore Eros, why it seems to both of us that she will be a key piece in this shift we're in and we try to discern some key aspects for unlocking her potential, especially in areas where our current moment might be confused. The content is important but perhaps more so the space this episode comes from. I'm really curious about how it comes alive in you?

Jun 9, 2022 • 1h 16min
133. Stefan Ekwall - How liminal are our times, really?
In this episode Amit and Stefan explore the question of liminality and their experience of it. The guiding question is how liminal are our times, really? Stefan was on the podcast with Nils back in Episode 60 and if you want to find out more about him visit his webpage Human stories. This exploration flies high at times but it's also grounded. We speak of liminality in form of the gardener and the contextual aspects of gardening, how it's not necessarily a peaceful activity. We speak of parenting and the implication of the pending ecosystems collapse and the signs thereof in our immediate surroundings and the pain that causes. And we point to the simple truth that context matters, always. If you are trying to build something, grow something or survive that and those around you are an integral part of your potential. This exploration was embodied, probing fun. Enjoy.

Jun 2, 2022 • 1h 26min
132. Ronen Hirsch - Discovering the generative sequence for creating meaningful work part 1.
Ronen Hirsch is a polymath who's spent the last couple of decades in retreat and deep practice. Check out his webpage to find out more about him. This conversation is a first in an intent to do more on the topic with Ronen. We come together to explore how we can actually meaningfully create regenerative conditions here on earth. We take a look at the work that Ronen has been doing in discovering a generative sequence for 'crewing'. We dig into Christopher Alexanders work and we circle the topic of what meaningful work looks like - and what we need to do to get there. This is one of the most potent and powerful conversation I've hosted on the podcast to this date. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul

May 26, 2022 • 1h 2min
131. Pam Pence - Talking about over-population: All hands on deck and the dire times we are in.
In this episode I speak to Pam Pence. Pam works with the challenging topic of educating on population and over population. This is a topic that I've (Amit) personally has been struggling with as it tends to lead me astray but this is a beautiful practice in staying in that which hurts. It is an initiation (not an easy one) for those that tend to shy away from the topic of the ongoing ecosystem and system collaps. We speak about empowerment, of the choice to procreate, deriving meaning from our children, that it's ok to opt out from the "normal" nuclear family and much more. Some of the resources Pam mentions in our conversation: A new republic of the heart and Global footprint network. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul.

May 19, 2022 • 1h 6min
130. Diego Galafassi - Art, sustainability, knowing from the inside, a new type of vision, friction and diversity and different ways of knowing
Diego Galafassi is an artist and scientist that has spent is career weaving in and out of different contexts. You can find more of his work on his webpage or reach out to him on twitter. Diego has also worked with so called emerging technologies like VR and AR - you can find out more about the project Breathe here - it is study in our interconnectedness with each other and the atmosphere. Or the project Arts for Transformations. This conversation really moved me. It is a study of the world from a different perspective. A deep passion of knowing, of inclusion and of moving the world towards a regenerative future. I perceive Diego to be a bridge builder and this conversation shows that. It covers all of that which is in the title and much more. And it's just a jumping off point. Enjoy!

May 12, 2022 • 1h 8min
129 Jascha Rohr: Co-creation and how we can design empowering, co-creative processes
Jascha Rohr is a philosopher and chair of the Co-creation foundation based in Germany. This episods dives deep into the ins and outs of co-creation. We talk about the design principles and perspective of co-creation. Touching on Jaschas perspective and more than 25 years of experience in this field. How his craft as an instrument makers and the experience in permaculture design has influenced him in the work. His passion for tool making and shifting focus to generative sequences. And of course how is it that the statement that co-creation cannot fail could possibly be true? If you want to reach out to Jascha, take a training or learn more about co-creation visit the Co-Creation Foundation's website. Host: Amit Paul

May 5, 2022 • 1h 15min
128. Elin Bergman - Circular economy, where we are in this moment. A hopeful outlook.
Elin Bergman was called the circularity queen of Sweden in a podcast a title that stuck. Elin and I get to lean in to the challenging questions of how we become Circular. This is a conversation of different perspectives and starting points and Elins view and optimism is inspiring. We speak of plastics as a tool in our toolbox, the Ellen MacArthur foundation work on technical and organic cycles in circularity and how we can think about solutions in different spheres, we speak of course about the connection between the inner and outer - when we need something, how do we know what we need? And the importance of role models where Elin is most certainly one of the more inspirational and forceful examples of this. Here are some links and resources mentioned in the episode: Cradlenet, Nordic circular hotspot, Nordic circular arena, Ellen MacArthur Foundation's Youtube. We also talk about the Circular Gap report that had not yet come out at the time of the recording for this episode... Elin was right we are between Norway and the Netherlands with 3.4 % circularity - significantly less than we hoped for. The Netherlands are up to >22% in this final report - there are ways to go! Enjoy the conversation. Host: Amit Paul

Apr 28, 2022 • 1h 5min
127 Marilyn Mehlmann: Empowerment, co-creation and the being in service as long as it does not hurt anyone else
This week I connect with Legacy17 founder Marilyn Mehlmann. Marilyn is a lifelong activist with a dedication towards empowerment. She has spent her life in service of social and environmental challenges. As always the conversation is wide ranging and covering a number of topics. Co-creation, activism and curiosity, empowerment, the state of the world and the transformation we standing in front of. And we explore the principle of abilie: giving people what they need as long as it doesn't hurt me, you or anyone else. To get engaged, or to access the resources Marilyn refers to visit the Legacy17 webpage. This conversation was recorded in the days after the beginning of the Russian war in Ukraine 2022.

Apr 21, 2022 • 1h 15min
126. Jeremy D Johnson: Gebser, Development, Liminality, Relationality and Why it's Crucial to Decenter Progress
Jeremy D Johnson is a writer, scholar and podcast host. He is an integral scholar on Gebser and hosts the excellent podcast Mutations. You can find Jeremy's writing on mutations.blog. Or get in touch on Twitter or Patreon. This conversation is a deep dive into 'development', progress and liminality. We situate our current moment and then jump off the deep end. It was rich! We speak of progress, what the integral/developmental theorists (Gebser in particular) predicted through their work. We speak about technology, dance and ponder what omni-directional progress could look like. Especially if it's folded back into relationship with the biosphere. And Jeremy brings the radical and exciting idea of decentering progress - don't quite get what it means? Take a listen. Enjoy! Host Amit. Recorded on 21st of February 2022.

Apr 14, 2022 • 1h 8min
125 Robert Gilman - How we can use an understanding of our psychodynamics to become more efficient change makers
Robert Gilman is the physicist turned philosopher who dedicated his life to the intersection of inner and outer development. He is the founder of Bright Future Now and Bright future network (to find out more). Robert was the resident philosopher at the STOA in the end of 2021 and is a frequent voice in sensemaking circles. The conversation ranged from understanding our current moment, to trauma and to how we can use an understanding of (our own) psychodynamics to become more efficient change makers and community builders. We discuss the challenges we face and we get a glimmer of hope when considering phase shifts and exponential processes. Host: Amit Paul


