

Swisspreneur Show
Swisspreneur
The Swisspreneur Show is a podcast series of in-depth, candid conversations with some of Switzerland’s most successful founders, business leaders and innovators. By getting to the heart of these leaders’ stories - their successes, their failures, their must-have advice and greatest regrets - we hope to both inspire and guide the next generation of Swiss entrepreneurs. Each episode deconstructs and showcases one person’s personal and professional background and provides advice and recommendations for existing and aspiring entrepreneurs in Switzerland.
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Nov 17, 2021 • 1h 4min
EP #202 - Philippe Willi: Don't Fool Yourself
Timestamps:
4:14 - The business model of uploading old exams onto a server
17:19 - Winning clients with basic functionalities
28:51 - Acquiring competitors
32:47 - Using investor money for acquisitions
49:20 - Your main competitor is yourself
About Philippe Willi
Philippe Willi is a co-founder and CFO/COO at TrekkSoft, a booking solution for the tour and activities market. He studied business administration at HSG and soon after started his first business, the web agency zimtkorn, together with DeinDeal co-founder Adrian Locher and Valentin Binnedijk. There they built websites for SMEs.
In 2007 he met Jon Fauver, a former raft guide and American living in Switzerland, who invited Philippe to join him at the water sports company Outdoor Interlaken. Then in 2010, Philippe and his old co-founder Valentin started TrekkSoft, as a booking solution for Outdoor Interlaken. They even put in their own money, to ensure they really had skin in the game.
TrekkSoft's main innovative feature was its "book now" button — though nowadays it seems absolutely obvious, this button was at the time quite revolutionary.
Philippe describes finding product-market fit as a moment when things suddenly just click, and you can stop relying solely on assumptions. However, Trekksoft's whole addressable market was rather large, so this product-market fit was only truly valid for certain market segments. Since trying to address the whole market with just one service seemed too risky to them, they opted instead for acquiring a number of competitors which addressed other market segments, and used investor money to do so.
Being in the travel industry, the TrekkSoft Group was hit hard by Corona. Though one company in their group made 1M in net profit in 2020, the group overall lost 30% of its revenue (which put them close to breakeven) and had to let go of a number of employees. Several other employees left of their own accord due to the lack of immediate careers prospects.
Memorable Quotes:
"Solving your own problem means product-market fit comes easier. But it also might result in conflicts of interest."
Resources Mentioned:
Weg zum erfolgreichen Unternehmer, by Stefan Merath
The Entrepreneurial Operating System
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Nov 14, 2021 • 52min
EP #201 - Urs Aebischer: Turn Your Data Into Income
Timestamps:
8:47 - Getting people to join a revolutionary platform
17:10 - Diseo's revenue sharing model
36:25 - Financing a social platform
38:00 - Regulation ruins scaling
42:05 - Doing a security token offering
About Urs Aebischer:
Urs Aebischer is the CEO at Diseo, a decentralized ecosystem of interconnected social platforms of brands and organizations where users exclusively control their data and earn from it. Urs is also the co-founder and CEO at Swiss Impulse Group, which focuses on disruptive digital media. He has a background in Physics.
Urs has always been one to search out new ideas. Back in 1995, when he was getting his PhD in Atmospheric Physics at the ETH, he was one of the first people to have an email address. In today's world of ubiquitous social media networks, Urs (as well as many others) has identified a problem: people's data is being harvested, used and monetized by third parties, without people ever receiving any sort of compensation for the value they provide. Urs does not believe we can legislate our way out of this; the social dilemma requires a solution built from the ground up.
That's why he created Diseo. On Diseo, sharing data and giving something your attention creates revenue which can be shared between up to 16 different people. Every time a user clicks on an advertisement, they earn income for doing it and for giving permission to be targeted by this advertiser. When a user clicks an ad, they also see which of their friends have already bought the product/used the service — this is what Urs calls "social selling". Users can also recommend ads to their friends, who, if they see it, will also receive money. Every single action in favor of the product creates a revenue share.
Additionally, both users and companies on Diseo have a trust rating and get to rate each other. If a company uses child labor, they get downvoted. Urs hopes that through this process dialogue and reform will follow.
Memorable Quotes:
"Facebook and Google could easily copy what we're doing. But that would ruin their entire business model."
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Nov 10, 2021 • 1h 12min
EP #200 - Alain Chuard: The Founder's Playbook
Timestamps:
1:51 - The ideal founder team
7:09 - When to quit your day job
19:51 - Life after MVP
41:40 - Hiring for skills and culture
49:40 - The exit to Google
About Alain Chuard
Alain Chuard is a Swiss serial entrepreneur best known as the founder and Chief product officer of Wildfire Interactive, the social media marketing technology company acquired by Google in July 2012. At Google, Alain was responsible for overseeing Wildfire’s strategy, integration into Google’s Display Ads Division, and external representation of the product. He also co-created Swisspreneur with Christian Hirsig in 2016.
Here are some of his answers to every founder's burning questions:
- What's the ideal founder team? Alain prefers 2 founder teams with complementary skills: 1 product rockstar with an eye for design and strategy, and 1 marketing and sales machine. The founders should of course also share similar values.
- Where should I search for my co-founder? Look for high talent-density places, like Ivy League universities, On Deck Fellowship and Y Combinator.
- When should I quit my day job? Keep your day job during the idea validation phase, but go all in once that phase is through. You want to give your startup the best chance possible, and that requires you to give it your all.
- How do I know if I've got a good business idea? Start with your own problems and look for inflection points, or shifts in tech and user behavior. Ask yourself: why was this idea not possible 5 years ago? How do I currently have an unfair advantage?
- What makes a good MVP? MVPs should be barebones in terms of features and design but still provide a solution that captures a pivotal need the customer has. Basically: it should have achieved product market fit.
- How do I know whether or not to pivot? You should pivot if you're consistently failing to see demand or if you have a high churn rate.
- Should I bootstrap my company or raise funds? If you have a product that can scale through tech, raise funds. If you're running a business which grows in a more linear fashion, it's worth it to bootstrap. Either way, if you should choose to fundraise, approach it as a partnership rather than a transaction.
Currently Alain is the president of Prisma, a digital first school that adapts to every child's unique needs and abilities and to every family's lifestyle.
Memorable Quotes:
"I see a lot of founders that look at the fundraising process like a transaction, rather than as a partnership."
Resources Mentioned:
The Hard Thing About Hard Things, by Ben Horowitz
High Growth Handbook, by Elad Gil
How Superhuman Built An Engine To Find Product Market Fit, by Rahul Vohra
Essays by Paul Graham
The Product Market Fit Survey
If you would like to listen to our very first episode with Alain, click here.

Nov 3, 2021 • 1h 3min
EP #199 - Valentina Velandia: Supporting Migrant And Refugee Entrepreneurship
Timestamps:
2:17 - A family of feminists
15:25 - Finding a job in Switzerland as a foreigner
27:05 - Most people in Velandia's team are women
30:27 - The refugee crisis
51:55 - The nationalist sentiment
About Valentina Velandia
Valentina is a co-founder and partnership curator at Capacity Zurich, an incubator for startups built by refugees or migrants. She is originally from Colombia, but moved to the US after finishing high school to study Communications at California State University. She then went on to work for the UN in Singapore while getting her master's in Diplomacy and Gender Policy.
Despite coming from a family of matriarchs, Valentina initially had some misgivings about feminism: she thought feminism and femininity were mutually exclusive. However, this and many other opinions of hers changed when she took a class at University with a really amazing teacher.
When Valentina moved to Switzerland, she worked in Geneva for a time, after which she relocated to Zurich. Despite having worked in Geneva, being highly qualified and speaking several languages (namely German), it took her more than a year to find a job. Naturally, this took a toll on her self-esteem — she blamed herself.
One of her co-founders to be, psychiatrist Alexa Kuenburg, also came to this conclusion while working with war victims and refugees: the higher someone's education level, the more difficult the integration process becomes, because there is often difficulty in finding a job which matches the person's abilities, and this mismatch can put into question a fundamental part of people's identity.
Initially, Valentina and her co-founders wanted Capacity Zurich to be a labor market integration program for refugees and migrants, which would also educate Swiss companies on how to navigate the bureaucratic hoops of hiring people with a migrant or refugee status. It ended up becoming a startup incubator.
Memorable Quotes:
"Diversity-wise companies are beginning to realize that if they don't jump on the bandwagon soon, the wagon is gonna run them over."
Resources Mentioned:
Afghan Laziz, the foodtruck project
Don't ask me where I'm from, ask where I'm a local TED Talk
White Fragility, Robin DiAngelo
Quiet: The Power Of Introverts In A World That Can't Stop Talking, Susan Cain
If you would like to listen to more conversations on refugees in Switzerland, check out our episode with Bettina Hirsig and Mannar Hielal.

Oct 31, 2021 • 35min
EP #198 - Oliver Baumann: Das Corporate Startup
Timestamps
03:17 – Schritt in die Digitalisierung
10:54 – Der typische Atlanto-Kunde
15:22 – Atlanto’s Geschäftsmodell
18:11 – Kundengewinnung
23:28 – Lessons learned
About Oliver Baumann:
Oliver ist der CEO des Helvetia Spinoffs Atlanto AG, einer digitalen Administrationsplattform für KMU. Ursprünglich war Atlanto als Projekt innerhalb von Helvetia geplant und wurde schliesslich als Tochterunternehmen ausgegründet. Oliver, welcher in einer Unternehmerfamilie gross wurde, war immer interessiert daran, in die Selbstständigkeit überzugehen. Nach seinem Studium an der HSG in St. Gallen, wo er sein Bachelor- und Masterstudium absolvierte, arbeitete er fast sechs Jahre bei Helvetia. Seit Januar 2021 ist er nun CEO der Atlanto AG.
Memorable Quotes:
"Der Prozess, Dinge manuell abzutippen, liegt in Zukunft einfach nicht mehr drin. Dafür werden wir keine Zeit mehr haben."
"Wir wollen das Leben von kleinen Unternehmen vereinfachen."
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Oct 27, 2021 • 1h
EP #197 - Daniel Borel: How Logitech Defied Expectations
Timestamps:
1:03 - Going to Stanford after EPFL
7:41 - The hardware/software combination
17:50 - Meeting Bill Gates
21:13 - Saying no to Apple
55:18 - 6 grandchildren and 1 boat
About Daniel Borel
Daniel Borel is the co-founder and chairman emeritus of Logitech, the world's largest manufacturer of computer peripherals — with headquarters in Switzerland! After studying Physics at EPFL, Daniel went on to do his masters at Stanford.
In the 70's, Stanford was on fire. The Apple computer had just been created, as had Bill Gates' Microsoft, and the first microprocessors, operating systems and programming languages were just coming up. It felt like a technological revolution was imminent, and Daniel wanted to be a part of it. Together with fellow Stanford student Pierluigi, Daniel developed a word processing system, and their company address was "165 university avenue" — famously shared by Google and Paypal. Unfortunately, this project didn't take off, and Daniel ended up moving back to Switzerland to accommodate his wife's wish of setting up her own veterinary practice (which was not possible in the US since they did not recognize her diploma as valid).
Then in 1981, at his father-in-law's farm in the canton of Vaud, Daniel founded Logitech together with co-founders Pierluigi and Giacomo. Their product was a mix of hardware and software, which is a notoriously difficult thing to pull off, but Daniel believes that that's where you can really make a difference, and that this is what ensured their survival in an extremely competitive world.
How competitive, you may ask? Well, after meeting Bill Gates at a beach party in 1982, Daniel began talks with Microsoft — but they soon realized that the tips they were giving Microsoft on why not to buy from Logitech's japanese competitor, Alps, were actually being passed on to Alps. This made Daniel give up on Microsoft altogether.
With the rise of competition between computer manufacturers in the early 90s, prices went down dramatically, and Logitech had to move its manufacturing to China in order to produce cheaper and be able to compete.
In 1998 he decided to step down as CEO: after a crazy, decades-long ride, it was time for a rest. Nowadays, he keeps himself busy with his many grandchildren, his boat, and his philanthropic endeavors: Swiss-up, a foundation dedicated to fostering excellence in Swiss education, and Defitech, which manufactures computer technology for people with disabilities.
Memorable Quotes:
"Try and fail, and never fail to try, but don't put all your eggs in the same basket."
"Success is never final."
"By having a passion, you avoid having a job."
If you would like to listen to more conversations with Swiss people in America, check out our episode with Alex Fries.
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Oct 24, 2021 • 41min
EP #196 - Gianluca Lombardi & Andreas Stöckli: Versicherungen Für Startups
Timestamps:
08:12 – 2. Säule: das Wichtigste zum BVG
10:10 – UVG Pflicht
13:32 – empfehlenswerte Versicherungen
21:48 – Cyberversicherung
32:18 – Beratung und Orientierung im Versicherungsdschungel
Über Gianluca Lombardi & Andreas Stöckli:
Andreas und Gianluca sind beide bei Helvetia tätig. Andreas ist Marktverantwortlicher für Unternehmen in der Generalagentur in Aarau. Dabei hat er mit Firmen-, wie auch mit Privatkunden engen Kontakt. Gianluca ist als Versicherungs- und Vorsorgeberater in der Generalagentur in Baden aktiv. Er durfte bereits seine Lehre bei Helvetia absolvieren und konnte sich danach seinen Weg in den Aussendienst schrittweise erarbeiten.
Memorable Quotes:
"Bleibt auf eurem Weg, bleibt fokussiert."
"Redet aktiv über Fehler, weil das Veränderungspotenziel bei Fehlern sehr gross ist."
"Mut ist sehr wichtig. Seid mutig, neue Dinge auszuprobieren."
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Oct 20, 2021 • 47min
EP #195: Bettina Hirsig & Mannar Hielal: The Powercoder Who Escaped The Syrian War
This episode was produced in co-operation with Startup Days. Visit their website here: https://www.startupdays.ch/
Timestamps:
4:12 - Having the courage to be yourself
17:35 - The beginning of Powercoders
27:59 - The power of telling stories
31:27 - Cultural shock in Switzerland
36:34 - A purpose-driven organization
About Bettina & Mannar
Bettina Hirsig is the co-founder and lead at Powercoders, a coding academy for refugees. She has a background in marketing and business administration. Mannar Hielal is a junior software engineer at Liip, a Bernese digital agency. Originally from Aleppo, Syria, Mannar fled her war-torn country for Turkey, and then eventually Switzerland, where she would join Powercoders.
Just after the birth of their second child, Bettina's husband Chris was invited to the Global Entrepreneur Summit in San Francisco. There he met two female entrepreneurs: one who had founded a coding academy for women, and one who'd founded a catering company which hired exclusively refugees. It was then that the Powercoders idea was first born.
In the beginning, Powercoders was funded partially by the Switzerland's state department for migration, and partially by a number of foundations. Nowadays, it is funded by the canton and by the companies to which Powercoders provides employees — the Powercoders graduates.
One such graduate is Mannar, who back in Aleppo studied Computer Engineering and constantly went against her mother's expectations of her by working two jobs and even practising martial arts. When the Syrian war came to Aleppo, public transportation stopped working and water and electricity were cut. There was no internet, Mannar couldn't get to work and neither did she feel it was safe to call her co-workers — there was no way of knowing whose hands would pick up the phone. Aleppo was being bombarded, which forced Mannar to move to a safer neighborhood within the city (one which experienced bombardments less frequently). Though she was not afraid of death, Mannar did not want to end up a nameless corpse on the streets of Aleppo, and so she left for Turkey, which is just 45 min away.
However, she soon realized that Turkey used Syrian refugees as political pawns, and that the threat of repatriation hung above her at all times. She also was deprived of several rights in Turkey (since she did not actually receive asylum, but was only there on some sort of humanitarian stay), and could only access a bare minimum of healthcare services. She decided to leave Turkey for Switzerland. In Switzerland, Powercoders seemed like a natural first step, considering what she had studied back in Aleppo. It was during the Powercoders career day that she was introduced to Liip, her current employer.
Nowadays, Mannar dreams of perfecting her skills as a developer, bringing her mom over to Switzerland, and buying a house by the lake.
Memorable Quotes:
"Being a leader means being open to constructive criticism. You need to have a beginner's mindset every single day."
If you would like to listen to more conversations about Powercoders, check out our episode with Christian Hirsig.

Oct 17, 2021 • 50min
EP #194: Stefano Saeger: Der Helvetia Venture Fund
Timestamps:
11:40 – Stage & Ticket size: Gründe für die Frühinvestition
17:24 – Entscheidungsprozess für oder gegen Investitionen
26:18 – Die Gunst der Investoren gewinnen
31:31 – Red flags für die Investoren
36:09 – Unterstützung der Startups nach der Investition
Über Stefano Saeger:
Stefano Saeger ist Investment Manager beim Helvetia Venture Fund, ein Investment Fund von Helvetia Versicherungen, welcher in Startups investiert. Der Fund wird extern durch btovbetrieben. Nach seinem Betriebswirtschaftsstudium an der HSG absolvierte Stefano den Master of Arts in Business Innovation, wobei er davon ein Semester in Johannesburg ablegte.
Nach verschiedenen Tätigkeiten im Bereich von Business Development (Fanpictor AG) und als Projektmitarbeiter im Lehrstuhl für Controlling und Performance Management absolvierte Stefano ein 19-monatiges Trainee Programm bei der ABB in Zürich und San José USA. Als ABB Trainee kam Stefano sehr schnell mit allen Themen der Startup Welt in Berührung und fand seine Begeisterung dafür. Seit Oktober 2019 ist er als Investment Manager im Venture Fund von Helvetia tätig und mag den grossen Perspektivenwechsel, welcher durch den Mix von Makro- und Mikroebene entsteht.
Memorable Quotes:
"Was ich einfach unfassbar toll finde, ist, mit viel Enthusiasmus die Leute da dran sind."
"Jeder, der daran arbeitet macht es gerne und macht es, weil er überzeugt davon ist, was er macht."
"Ein bisschen Skepsis ist sinnvoll, weil sie uns auch weiterbringen kann, in allem was wir tun."
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Oct 13, 2021 • 50min
EP #193 - Tobias & Anne Richter: 1 Couple, 2 Entrepreneurs, 3 Kids
Timestamps:
1:55 - Being a medtech entrepreneur
9:57 - Managing 2 businesses and 3 kids
17:05 - Setting company and family goals
29:17 - Why not start a company together
36:19 - The right to disconnect
About Anne & Tobias Richter
Anne Richter is the founder and CEO of Knecker, a startup which produces vegan protein-rich snacks. She got her MA in Economical Engineering from the Technische Universität Berlin and afterwards worked for a series of energy companies, before starting her own venture in 2020. Tobias Richter is the founder, former CEO and current Chairman of TRI Dental Implants, a Swiss emerging leader in innovative modern implant dentistry. He got is BA in International Business Studies from the International School of Management (Germany).
In 2011, after a decade of working in a corporate environment, Tobias took the leap and founded his own business. Tobias chose medtech entrepreneurship to have the best of both worlds: though he grew up in a family of doctors, he felt studying medicine would be too limiting, so he studied business instead and later focused on the medtech industry, specifically dental work — which, being very digital, benefits a lot from integrating AI components.
Together Tobias and Anne have 3 children. Life with 2 startups and 3 kids can often get very hectic, so the couple has developed a system:
- They have an Au Pair who lives with them, which really helps;
- They keep a joint timetable, to always know what the other will be doing. This is especially important for events happening before 9am or after 6:30pm, when the kids are at home;
- They organize two weekly "family meetings": one with the kids, the other one without them. The meeting with the kids, called Basilikum, is a half-an-hour get-together where the family discusses the previous week ("What was good?" "What was bad?") and plans for the week ahead ("What are your expectations regarding next week?"). Often the deal is sweetened with some sweets or chips for the kids, facilitating their cooperation.
Tobias and Anne also utilize a tool called The Wheel Of Life, which allows you to reflect on the previous year and plan for the year ahead by having you evaluate your life according to 8 different aspects: health, finance, career, family, personal development, spirituality, your romantic relationship, and social life. The results are shown on a "spiderweb" type of graph, which easily allows you to spot weaknesses. For instance, when their kids were younger, Anne and Tobias tended to neglect their romantic relationship, so they decided to institute a weekly lunch just for the two of them: the "Love Lunch." By constantly reflecting and thinking ahead, the couple is able to remain focused on what matters most to them.
Memorable Quotes:
"I wanted to be in control of my own destiny, so I became an entrepreneur."
If you would like to listen to more conversations about entrepreneurial couples, check out our second episode with Dorina Thiess.


