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Eric Jenkins joins the podcast to talk about one of the weirdest things in sports, retiring in your early 30s… and then figuring out what comes next.Follow Eric online: https://www.instagram.com/_ericjenkins/We get into his career from running 9 miles a week in high school (with snorkel training and backyard workouts) to becoming an NCAA champion and professional runner. Then we talk about the part nobody really prepares you for, what happens when it all ends.We also dive into:Why track struggles to grow compared to other sportsThe Olympic Trials pressure and the “one race” problemHis transition into media and podcastingWhat trail running actually looks like from the outsidePacers in ultras and whether they’re cheating (kind of)Why a 100-mile race might be the hardest thing he’s ever attemptedAnd yes, we try to convince him to run a 100 miler.This one is part running, part life after sport, and part figuring out what to do when your identity changes overnight.Follow Eric's podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/7L5aLeFO5zDMcinUfrm8oV?si=0e59984bb5cc4e7dSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at jeff@freeoutside.comWatch the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

Liz Derstine is back on the podcast to talk about her self supported Pacific Crest Trail effort, the highs and lows of going after a huge goal, and the film that came out of it, Ridgeline. We get into brutal desert heat, night hiking, trying to balance daily trail updates with an FKT effort, and what it feels like when a record starts slipping away but you keep pushing anyway.We also talk about the music side of Liz’s life, how she helped shape the soundtrack of the film, what it is like to write for an orchestra, and why hiking and creating art might not be as different as they seem. This one is about follow through, vulnerability, and going for something big even when there is no guarantee it works out.Watch Ridgeline on the Mountain Hardwear YouTube channel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSWTddKCbf4Follow Liz online: https://www.instagram.com/pinkfeathers/Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at jeff@freeoutside.comWatch the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

Allison is back and we cover a ton in this one. Will Peterson is officially going after the Appalachian Trail self-supported FKT, so we talk about what it is like when someone comes for your record and how different people approach these huge trail efforts. We also get into Cocodona 250 strategy, race-day chaos, pacing, heat, and how not to implode over 250 miles. Then we hit the running news, including the World Indoor Championships, Josh Kerr vs Cole Hocker, Cooper Lutkenhaus announcing himself to the world at 17, and Mondo continuing to be ridiculous. Also, yes, there is a lot of discussion about falling down and bleeding in public. It is that kind of episodeSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at jeff@freeoutside.comWatch the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

March Madness is here… but make it outdoors.We just wrapped round one of Outdoor March Madness and chaos has already taken over. No perfect brackets remain, upsets are happening everywhere, and somehow Nerds Clusters might actually win the whole thing. I break down the biggest results, the closest matchups, and what’s coming next as we head toward the Sweet 16.We also raffle off our first prize (shoutout Robbie), and I explain how YOU can win gear, race entries, and more just by voting.On my end, I’m finally back training after breaking my rib at Barkley Marathons. After nearly four weeks off, I’ve jumped back into big mileage, working toward Cocodona 250. The fitness feels good, the falls do not, and now it’s all about dialing in runnable miles, heat training, and race-specific prep.Topics in this episode:Round 1 Outdoor March Madness results and biggest upsetsWhy there are zero perfect brackets leftPrize raffles and how to winMy Cocodona 250 training update post-injuryWhy I keep falling (seriously, what is going on)Early voting trends for Round 2Vote on matchups and follow along:freeoutside.comNew prizes dropping every round. Your vote actually matters.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at jeff@freeoutside.comWatch the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

Mike McKnight is on the Free Outside Podcast, and this one goes all over the place in the best way. We talk about his jump into Hyrox, why it might be more of a runner sport than people think, and what it was like dealing with a brutal back injury that left him unable to run but somehow still riding 200 miles on a bike.https://www.freeoutside.com/outdoor-march-madnessWe also get into his massive 2026 schedule, including five 200-mile races, Hardrock, and launching the Old Ephraim 200, a race that finishes at the same ski area where he once broke his back. Mike talks about what it takes to get a race permitted, how he thinks about goals across a huge season, why he is not big on pacers, and what actually makes him so good at 200-mile races.Then, naturally, we end up talking about sleep deprivation, childhood farm life, dissociation in ultras, a possible Colorado Trail head-to-head FKT showdown, and Mike’s deep love for the Backstreet Boys.This one is funny, honest, and full of the kind of ultra running rabbit holes I love.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at jeff@freeoutside.comWatch the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

Today I’m introducing something I’ve been putting way too much work into: Outdoor March Madness.Luke Pearsall of Trail Goods Co joins for a Bracketology episode discussing the outdoor march madness bracket. Join for a joke filled episode. Follow Trail Goods Co: https://www.instagram.com/trailgoodscompanyIt’s a giant bracket where outdoor things go head to head. Trails, gear, snacks, and the things that ruin your day outside. Think Appalachian Trail vs Pacific Crest Trail. Peanut Butter vs Trail Mix. Trekking poles vs Headphones.You fill out a bracket predicting what will win, and then every round the matchups are decided by public voting.There will be prizes, chaos, and probably some very strong opinions.Fill out your bracket here:https://www.freeoutside.com/outdoor-march-madnessVote on the matchups here:https://forms.gle/9DEK6x2iUK4gMzVH9Let’s see what the outdoor world decides is the ultimate champion.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at jeff@freeoutside.comWatch the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

I have a huge announcement. The Free Outside Outdoor March Madness Bracket is live.https://www.freeoutside.com/outdoor-march-madnessGo to freeoutside.com and fill out your bracket to predict which outdoor things will win head-to-head matchups all month long. Trails, snacks, gear, and trail problems will face off until we crown a champion.Follow Cody Taylor online: https://www.instagram.com/codytaylorperformanceYou can vote in each matchup as the rounds progress, track the leaderboard, and enter raffles for prizes along the way. We’re giving away race entries, gear, gift cards, and more.Some example matchups include things like:• Appalachian Trail vs Timberline Trail• Peanut M&Ms vs Running Gels• Blisters vs Mosquitoes• Gear battles and trail legendsBrackets close Wednesday March 18 at midnight MST, and voting continues through early April.Go submit your bracket and start voting:freeoutside.comEpisodeToday on the Free Outside Podcast I talk with Cody Taylor, who has been diving deep into the world of unsupported long-distance trail adventures.Cody went from starting running during the pandemic to taking on massive unsupported efforts like:• The Bruce Trail (900 km)• The International Appalachian Trail• Planning an unsupported out-and-back of Vermont’s Long TrailWe talk about what it takes to go hundreds of miles completely unsupported, including gear, food planning, sleep deprivation, hallucinations, and the mental side of long solo efforts.Cody also shares his story of going from touring drummer to endurance athlete, building a coaching business with his wife, and why doing hard things in the wilderness can completely change how you see everyday life.It’s a fun conversation about pushing limits, learning the hard way, and figuring things out one long trail at a time.SponsorsJanjiCheck out the gear I use from Janji, including the AFO shorts and 2-in-1 shorts with great pockets.Visit janji.comGarage Grown GearEverything you need for trail running, backpacking, and thru-hiking.Check them out at garagegrowngear.comSawyerKnown for their water filters like the Sawyer Squeeze, but also their Stay Put sunscreen, which lasts all day on long runs and hikes.More Free OutsideWebsite: freeoutside.comNewsletter: freeoutside.substack.comPatreon: patreon.com/freeoutsideYou can also watch the film about my unsupported Colorado Trail FKT on Tubi.Chapters00:00 Outdoor March Madness05:00 Cody Taylor's Journey into Endurance Running08:00 Transition from Musician to Endurance Athlete11:00 The Challenges of Unsupported Adventures13:48 Mental Preparation and Coping Strategies16:54 Nutrition and Gear for Long Trails19:47 Experiences with Hallucinations and Wildlife22:45 Exploring the Bruce Trail25:40 Strengths and Future Projects40:23 Overcoming Challenges in FKT Attempts46:00 Training Philosophy: Grease the Groove50:34 Cody's Journey: From Hockey to Drumming55:12 Canadian Childhood and the Love for Hockey01:00:26 Building a Business Together01:06:51 Future Aspirations and Coaching PhilosophySupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at jeff@freeoutside.comWatch the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

Madison Blagden joins me to break down one of the wildest hiking years I have ever heard of. In 2025, she completed a border-to-border Calendar Year Triple Crown, then kept going until she hit 10,071 miles on foot.We talk about how the goal evolved in real time, what it takes to hike that kind of mileage day after day, and how she handled injury, snow, isolation, grizzly country, and the mental toll of a full year spent moving forward. Madison also shares how she got into thru-hiking in the first place, from starting the PCT with almost no experience to building into one of the biggest hiking years ever.This one is about huge miles, trail life, identity, sacrifice, and what happens when you push so far that the whole experience starts to feel bigger than hiking.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Walker of the Year Nominee09:27 Transitioning from Trail to Everyday Life15:12 The Impact of the First Thru-Hike21:10 Living on the Road: Adventures and Challenges29:30 Navigating Trail Challenges36:20 Pushing Hiking Limits42:00 Starting the 2025 Journey48:44 The Journey Begins in Key West54:48 Transitioning to the PCT59:58 Navigating Challenges on the PCT01:04:45 Overcoming Injury and Setbacks01:15:35 Balancing Hiking with Content Creation01:20:41 Finding Spirituality in the WildernessSupport our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at jeff@freeoutside.comWatch the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

This week on the Free Outside Podcast, I’m joined by Allison Mercer to talk about one of the strangest weekends the running world has seen in a while.Allison was in Atlanta covering the US Half Marathon Championships, but before the reporting even started she paced a marathon, took a hard fall at mile 16, finished the race covered in blood, and ended up getting stitches. Somehow that still wasn’t the craziest thing that happened.We break down the controversy from the championship race where the lead women followed a vehicle the wrong direction late in the race, how it affected the results, and why the reaction online got so heated. We also talk about what actually happened behind the scenes and why these situations are more complicated than they look on social media.After that we catch up on everything else happening in running right now, Black Canyon course records, Western States storylines, FKTs starting to heat up for the season, and Allison somehow explaining Barkley and FKTs to Olympic champion Cole Hocker over breakfast.It’s a mix of running news, chaos, and a little bit of perspective from two people who spend way too much time thinking about this sport.Thanks for watching and supporting the show.Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abChapters00:00 Marathon Weekend Recap03:45 Race Day Chaos and Injuries06:49 The Aftermath of the Race Incident10:01 Social Media Reactions and Accountability12:57 Understanding the Race Dynamics15:43 The Impact of the Incident on Athletes18:45 Community Response and Support21:50 Reflections on Empathy and Accountability24:47 Looking Ahead: Future Races and Events37:20 Emerging Trends in Running and Relatability40:48 Ultra Runner of the Year Predictions45:32 Growth of FKTs Globally52:21 The Race Purse Controversy56:40 Excitement for Race Season and RecommendationsSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at jeff@freeoutside.comWatch the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure

Anthony Lee joins the Free Outside Podcast for a deep, honest conversation that starts in Vancouver, Washington (not Canada) and runs all the way to Boulder, Colorado, and 30 completed 100-milers.Anthony opens up about growing up sedentary, finding fitness through family, and the non-linear reality of turning your life around. We talk about bad decisions, real consequences, therapy, and the support system that helped him rebuild. Then we shift into what he does best, racing hard mountain ultras like Ouray 100 and Hurt 100, and why he keeps choosing the toughest courses.We also get into travel, his engagement story in Japan (yes, the ring lived in a fanny pack for two weeks), sponsorship, and how it actually happens, plus what Anthony would fix in trail running right now, from social media noise to making the sport more welcoming and more diverse.Topics we cover-Growing up in Vancouver, Washington and finding running later than most-Setbacks, consequences, and the role of therapy and family support-Moving to Colorado after winning High Lonesome 100-Why Anthony loves 100 milers (and why his race schedule is “chaotic”)-Favorite races, Yurei 100, Hurt 100, and what makes them special-The mental checklist for surviving low points in ultras-Engagement in Japan and traveling outside of race season-Diversity in trail running, barriers to entry, and representation-Sponsorship, persistence, and building a career as an athlete-What’s next, Golden Ticket races, Western States, Hardrock, and maybe BarkleyFollow Anthony online: https://www.instagram.com/anthonyclee94Support our Sponsors: Sawyer: https://sawyerdirect.net/Janji (code: Freeoutside): https://snp.link/a0bfb726CS Coffee: CSinstant.coffeeGarage Grown Gear: https://snp.link/db1ba8abChapters00:00 From Vancouver to Boulder: A Journey Begins08:50 Finding Fitness: The Shift from Sedentary to Active14:06 Overcoming Challenges: The Road to Trail Running20:37 Love and Support: The Engagement Story24:05 Racing Passion: The Ultra Running Experience29:53 Exploring the Challenge of Ultra Races34:02 Mental Strategies for Endurance Racing35:06 The State of Trail Running: Community and Inclusivity38:17 Diversity in Trail Running: Progress and Challenges42:24 Personal Experiences and Representation in Running47:13 Future Goals and Aspirations in Running50:11 The Journey to Sponsorship in Running55:23 How Running Transformed My Life57:41 Community and Support in RunningSubscribe to Substack: http://freeoutside.substack.comSupport this content on patreon: HTTP://patreon.com/freeoutsideBuy my book "Free Outside" on Amazon: https://amzn.to/39LpoSFEmail me to buy a signed copy of my book, "Free Outside" at jeff@freeoutside.comWatch the movie about setting the record on the Colorado Trail: https://tubitv.com/movies/100019916/free-outsideWebsite: www.Freeoutside.comInstagram: thefreeoutsidefacebook: www.facebook.com/freeoutside#Trailrunning #Runningnews #Outdoors #Outdooradventure