

OnBase: Smashing Sales and Marketing Misalignments
Demandbase
Sunny Side Up is now 'OnBase', the no-fluff, all-impact B2B podcast bridging the divide between sales and marketing. Hear from the sharpest minds in B2B as they share revenue-boosting tactics and lessons straight from the frontlines and help you solve your toughest challenges.
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Apr 19, 2024 • 25min
Ep. 470 | Insights into Balancing Brand and Demand Gen
Episode SummaryEmily Butler discusses balancing brand and demand generation, sharing insights from her transition from agency to corporate life. Emily also provides tips on understanding customers and measuring success. The discussion covers marketing strategies in the complex aerospace industry and building brand awareness internally.
About the guest
Emily is a Sr. Director of Marketing at Honeywell Aerospace Technologies where she leads a team of demand and digital marketers in the Americas. Emily has 24 years of experience leading high-performing B2B marketing teams. Before Honeywell Aerospace Technologies, Emily was the head of digital marketing and demand generation at a full-service marketing agency working with brands such as Symantec, Spirent, Model N, ServiceNow, BroadSoft, Infovista, Sage, and several startups acquired by Cisco and Oracle.
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Key takeaways- The importance of balancing brand and demand marketing, even with budget pressures
- Measuring success through pipeline and revenue, not just MQLs
- Gaining customer insights directly through VoC sessions and sales call participation
- Aligning marketing, sales, and supply chain for transparency on aerospace industry challenges
- Prioritizing moments that matter most in the customer journey
- Building internal belief in your brand message before external campaigns
Quotes
"Your brand really starts with internal marketing. So for your brand to be successful your entire employee base needs to believe the message, they need to live it, they need to breathe it." -Emily Butler
Recommended Resource
BooksEmily recommends the book "The Micro Stress Effect" by Rob Cross as a must-read for high performers and those at risk of burnout.
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Apr 16, 2024 • 18min
Ep. 469 | Mastering Marketing: Experimentation, Creativity & Innovation
Episode SummaryShelley Morrison shares her insights on mastering marketing through experimentation, creativity, and building an innovative culture. She discusses how her background in advertising and marketing has prepared her to thrive in an ever-changing industry. She emphasizes the importance of embracing risk, testing new ideas, and fostering psychological safety to encourage idea-sharing and learning from failures. Shelley also stresses aligning brand and creative efforts to positively impact demand generation. Listeners learn about Shelley's approach to monthly test-and-learn sessions and how sharing results openly helps teams improve continuously. Useful recommendations are provided on history podcasts and inspiring B2B marketing leaders.
About the guest
Shelley Morrison, VP of Global Growth Marketing at Domo, is a seasoned full-journey marketer with deep expertise in global demand generation, offline and digital media, growth strategy, and sales and marketing alignment. She’s skilled in leading best-in-class global marketing teams and is a savvy, data-driven marketer with high-scale expertise, systematically establishing operational rigor and accelerating marketing programs to maximize efficiency and drive business results while ensuring personalized and relevant experiences for customers and prospects alike.
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Key takeaways
- Embrace constant testing and innovation to stay ahead of changing consumer habits
- Work at an agency to develop a mindset of flexibility, risk-taking, and experimentation
- Winning internal buy-in is crucial - this can be learned from agency experience
- Create psychological safety for teams to feel comfortable sharing new ideas and failures
- Conduct regular test-and-learn sessions to foster a culture of continuous improvement
- Brand and creative efforts are important for downstream demand generation results
- Sharing learnings openly from tests helps teams progress together
Quotes
"Brand creatives are the initial imprint of the brand on the audience. Someone is going to see your brand ad and it is so crucial that it is exactly how you want your brand to be seen." -Shelley Morrison
Recommended Resource
PodcastShelley recommended the "Unobscured" podcast, which takes a deep dive into various historical events and periods to uncover the true context and lessons we can learn.
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Apr 4, 2024 • 26min
Ep. 468 | How to Scale Marketing with AI and ABM?
Sally Winter, Marketing Director at Benefex, discusses scaling marketing with AI and ABM. She emphasizes using existing content and a repeatable model for effective ABM campaigns. Sally talks about the importance of brand building, measuring influence over vanity metrics, and using events for emotional connectivity. Key takeaways include AI's strategic significance in modern marketing and challenges in B2B implementation.

Mar 29, 2024 • 43min
Ep. 467 | Women in DB, Part Four: Strategies for Meaningful Networking in Tech
Episode Summary
This episode of Sunny Side Up Media discusses fostering professional communities and networking in tech. The speakers share their career journeys in roles like operations, enablement, and sales. They emphasize building relationships through open communication and understanding. Advice includes finding mentors, embracing new opportunities, and focusing on quality connections over quantity. Tips address networking for introverts, dealing with rejection, and giving/receiving balance. The episode stresses authenticity, trust, and collaboration in cultivating meaningful work relationships.
About the guests
Angela Mueters
Angela is a Strategic Account Director at Demandbase, with a decade of experience at the company. She has held several roles on the Sales team at Demandbase and works with some of the most well-known brands in B2B. She has earned multiple President’s Club honors and has become a go-to person for insights and feedback within the organization. Angela constantly seeks ways to grow professionally and stay inspired through networking, mentoring, and different learning paths. Outside of work, Angela finds joy in traveling and spending time with her kids.
Fationa Whittinghill
Fationa “Yona” Whittinghill is an Advertising Operations Specialist at Demandbase where she has worked for almost 2 years now. From the B2C world of the Automotive industry, she made the switch to B2B with Demandbase. She brings her collaborative spirit in partnering with the campaign management team in the execution, management, and optimization of complex ad campaigns. Yona graduated from the University of South Florida with a Major in Marketing and International Business. In her free time, she enjoys the outdoors, the beach, live music, and quality time with her daughter and friends in Florida.
Meghann Del Guercio
Meghann is the Senior Revenue Enablement Manager, CX at Demandbase, with nearly 6 years of tenure. Her passion lies in enabling and mentoring others, where she finds fulfillment in empowering peers to reach their full potential. Aside from work, Meghann is a mom of two boys, whose energy and love inspire her every day.
Key takeaways- Build relationships through open communication and understanding others
- Find mentors to help guide your career growth and development
- Embrace opportunities outside your comfort zone for new experiences and connections
- Focus on quality over quantity when networking and building professional connections
- Ask questions and seek feedback to learn and strengthen relationships
- Balance giving and receiving in professional relationships for mutual benefit
- Be authentic and let your voice be heard with confidence in male-dominated fields
- Cultivate communities both within and outside your organization for inspiration and support
Quotes
"I think cultivating trust and showing a genuine interest in other's success. And having a shared knowledge. I think it helps build the relationship."-Van on building new skills and learning for growth. -Fationa Whittinghill
"I love when people internally will approach me and say Oh, I know you've been here for a while. I'd love to get time on your calendar. I'd love to kind of Like, learn from you." -Angela Mueters
"Moving into the enablement space, I never found a community that was so influential and impactful. In any other field that I've been in, like, these people want you to succeed, regardless as to where they work." -Meghann Del Guercio
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Mar 28, 2024 • 21min
Ep. 466 | Cookieless Future, Part Two: Strategies for a Privacy-First World
Tom Keefe, a marketing ops expert, discusses the impact of Google's removal of third-party cookies on digital advertising strategies. Topics include the

Mar 27, 2024 • 32min
Ep. 465 | How to Build Your Brand Through Customer Relationships
Episode SummaryThis episode of the Sunny Side Up podcast features Carol Holly discussing building a brand through customer relationships. As CMO of Exclaimer, Carol shares her background and interest in marketing. She emphasizes prioritizing customer experiences and aligning business processes to meet customer needs. Carol also highlights the challenges of collaboration across departments and measuring the impact of brand-building efforts. Overall, she provides valuable insights on balancing brand awareness and demand generation investments for business growth.
About the guest
Carol is the CMO at Exclaimer, an email signature software platform. She is a senior leader backed by over 15 years in the digital and technology space for established businesses and start-ups. Coming from a background in product marketing, brand development, and demand generation. Carol is hugely passionate about building strategy, storytelling, bringing products to life for consumers, and driving growth. From building the first intelligent customer journeys at a global hotel brand to scaling the business marketing function from zero to hero for a Skyscanner, managing global demand for a leading pre-IPO software giant, Carol has a proven track record in engaging with the business, developing key stakeholder relationships, managing budgets and leading teams to realize their potential.
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Key takeaways
- Prioritize customer experiences and align business processes to meet customer needs
- Cross-departmental alignment is key to achieving customer-centric growth
- Balance investments in brand awareness and demand generation for business growth
- Measure brand awareness impact through metrics like NPS, engagement, sentiment
- Personalization, AI, ABM, and video are areas of focus for future marketing strategy
- Building trust through the brand is important for long-term visibility and sales opportunities
Quotes“How do we focus on what's in the market, tailor our message to those particular verticals, or those types of or groups of people, and start to be really intelligent about where we spend our money? Because if we did spend on every possible industry vertical and company size would be very, very poor very quickly. -Carol Howley
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Mar 22, 2024 • 44min
Ep. 464 | Women in DB: Owning Your Career & Advocating for Yourself
Episode Summary
This episode of Sunny Side Up features a discussion about women's careers in tech with Debbie Saskin and Van Hsieh from Demandbase. The speakers share their non-traditional paths into tech from fields like education and biochemistry. They discuss challenges like adapting to new skills and industries, as well as strategies for career advancement through self-advocacy, mentorship, and asking questions. The importance of flexibility, adaptability, and supportive work environments for women in tech are also highlighted.
About the guests
Van Hsieh
Van is a dynamic Sr. Software Engineer at Demandbase. With a career that’s taken her from sales to solutions engineering and finally to software development, Van's love for crafting and delivering tangible projects shines through in her work. Her path, marked by continuous learning and adaptability, showcases a deep-seated passion for exploring new horizons and mastering diverse skills.Outside of the digital realm, Van finds solace and creativity in pottery, an art form that mirrors their professional approach—meticulous, thoughtful, and uniquely personal. Residing in San Francisco, they draw inspiration from the city's vibrant energy, blending the artistry of their hobbies with the innovation of their tech career to create a fulfilling, balanced life.
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Debbie Saskin
Meet Debbie, a seasoned professional in digital marketing and campaign strategy, currently serving as a Manager, Campaign Strategy at Demandbase. Her journey began in a small tech company, evolving through roles in sales assistance and publisher-side Ad Operations before thriving as a Senior Optimization Manager at PebblePost. With a background in education, Debbie seamlessly integrates learning principles into her work, fostering innovative strategies. Her diverse experience equips her for client-facing roles, consistently delivering exceptional results. Beyond work, Debbie enjoys cooking, live music, and travel, finding inspiration in diverse cuisines and cultures.
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Key takeaways
- Career paths in tech can start from non-technical backgrounds through opportunities and absorbing new skills
- Self-advocacy, asking questions and finding mentors are important for career growth
- Negotiating salary and promotions requires understanding your own worth and industry standards
- Flexibility and adaptability are valued traits for navigating an ever-changing industry
- Supportive work environments and connections help retain women in tech careers
Quotes“You start rising up, learning a lot, facing a lot of challenges when you're first picking up the skill, everything is new, everything is challenging. So for me, the learning part is pretty much always the biggest challenge. But once you're able to adapt it for yourself, it's going to be with you forever.” -Van on building new skills and learning for growth.
"I think it's really important to have someone that you can look up to and that's advocating for you, as well as doing it for yourself." -Debbie on having a mentor.

Mar 21, 2024 • 25min
Ep. 463 | Leveraging Technology to Drive Account-Based Growth
Explore how professional services firms can leverage account-based growth strategies, scale thought leadership, personalize content, and use AI technologies. Learn about aligning marketing and sales through change management, focusing on customer success and adoption for long-term success. Discover how intent data and personalized targeting can uncover new opportunities and optimize content strategy for targeted personas.

Mar 19, 2024 • 24min
Ep. 462 | Revenue Alignment at UserGems
Discussion on revenue alignment at UserGems, challenges of sales & marketing alignment, champion tracking, setting OKRs, importance of transparency in goals, and strategic approach to aligning resources for shared success. Guest suggestions for the podcast show and book recommendations for revenue alignment strategies.

Mar 15, 2024 • 37min
Ep. 461 | Women in Demandbase: Finding Balance in Work and Life
Episode Summary
This episode of Sunny Side Up discusses finding balance in work and life for women in tech. The speakers share their career journeys and experiences maintaining boundaries while prioritizing demanding work. They discuss challenges like burnout and pressures to overwork without children or partnerships. The speakers appreciate Demandbase's supportive culture that values employees' well-being and personal lives. Flexibility, leading by example, and connecting with other women in the industry are suggested as helpful for work-life balance.
About the guests
Jennie McCormick
Jennie is a Senior Customer Success Manager at Demandbase serving the east coast region. She has been passionate about the customer experience and setting her customers up for success for over 15 years in various client-facing roles. From the worlds of customer service to B2C, to agency, to B2B, she has focused on being as well-rounded as she is being an expert in her fields. She took an unconventional route in life starting her career at 19 years old, beginning university at age 25, living abroad, then moving across the country by herself to NYC in her 30’s. Jennie is proud to mentor women navigating their careers and loves squashing biases around child-free and neurodiverse women in the workplace.
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Moira Van den Akker
Moira van den Akker is a seasoned revenue marketer with a passion for MarTech. Working for organizations big and small, she has over a decade of experience driving growth and building high-performance marketing teams. In her current role as Director of Enterprise and Customer Marketing at Demandbase, she enjoys partnering with Sales to build and accelerate pipeline across the entire customer lifecycle. Moira lives in sunny Denver with her partner, two toddlers, and two pugs.
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Lea Brown
Lea is an Employee Communications and DE&I Specialist at Demandbase. Before transitioning into the tech industry, she spent over five years in health care, higher education, and non-profit spaces. Although Lea’s professional background is in communications, her passion is building equitable workplaces where employees of all identities are respected, valued, and empowered. She is proud to have the opportunity to cultivate such an environment at Demandbase. In her spare time, Lea enjoys travelling, reading, and sewing. She also serves on the board of directors for HEARTH, a Pittsburgh-based non-profit offering transitional housing for women.
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Key takeaways
- Finding balance is an ongoing challenge, especially for ambitious career-driven women without children.
- Setting boundaries like calendar blocks and ending workdays is important to prevent burnout.
- Companies should support work-life balance through flexibility, mental health resources, and leadership that prioritizes personal well-being.
- Leading by example and respecting others' time and boundaries helps set expectations for a balanced culture.
- Connecting with other women in similar roles provides valuable perspectives on navigating work and life.


