Chat 10 Looks 3

Recorded backstage at the Sydney Writers Festival. Sales and Crabb dissect the history of Donald Trump's hair and how it feels to 'witter' away at one of your favourite authors. There is a sweet anecdote about Roger Moore, plus discussion about John McCain and how nostalgia has become a refuge. • The 100 greatest descriptions of Donald Trump's hair ever written - by Monica Hesse (Washington Post; 2016 Jun 2) • My writing day - by Anne Enright (The Guardian; 2016 Apr 23) • Sydney Writers Festival 2017 Opening Night: Brit Bennett, Anne Enright and George Saunders - 22-28 May 2017 • Man shares heartwarming childhood memory of Roger Moore : Marc Haynes account of meeting Roger Moore (via UK Telegraph; 2017 May 23) • Putin a bigger threat than ISIS says John McCain - interviewed by Leigh Sales (via ABC 7.30 2017 May 29) • Faith of My Fathers: A Family Memoir - by John McCain, Mark Salter • What Donald Trump was up to while John McCain was a prisoner of war - by Michael E. Miller and Fred Barbash (Washington Post; 2015 Jul 20) • Veep : Season 6 (2017) • Master of None - Season 2 - Netflix (Starring: Aziz Ansari, H. Jon Benjamin, Eric Wareheim) • Kumail Nanjiani's Culture Clash Comedy - by Andrew Marantz (New Yorker; 2017 May 8) • Silicon Valley - HBO Comedy • I Don't Know What to Do With Good White People - by Brit Bennett (Jezebel 2014 Dec 17) • The Mothers: A Novel - by Brit Bennett • Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of John F. Kennedy, shares a video message that commemorates the 100th birthday of her father - via CNN (2017 May 27) • Why She Broke: The woman, her children and the lake: Akon Goude's tragic story - by Helen Garner (*currently subscriber access only) (The Monthly, 2017 June)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Beginning with a touching discussion on early motherhood, holocaust survivors and scholarship recipients, Sales and Crabb then have a stab at poetry appreciation. "Look on this podcast, ye mighty, and despair". Thankfully the chat moves on to some new TV and podcast recommendations! • Man's Search for Meaning - by Viktor E. Frankl • Proudly Public Awards 2017 - Public Education Foundation • The Rise of Kinship Carers - (ABC 7.30; Reporter: Josie Taylor 2017 May 16) • 'I'm Probably the Happiest Man you Will Ever Meet': 97-year-old Holocaust survivor, Eddie Jaku - (ABC 7.30; Reporter: Lesley Robinson 2017 May 16) • Ozymandias - by Shelley • The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock - T.S. Eliot • Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats - by T.S. Eliot • Remembering Mark Colvin - ABC Foreign Correspondent (Available on iView until 30 May 2017) • Celia Pacquola - The Looking Glass - One Night Stan • Tom Ballard - The World Keeps Happening - One Night Stan • Seven Types of Ambiguity - ABC TV Drama (Available on iView until 1 June 2017) • Seven Types of Ambiguity - by Elliot Perlman • The Green Road - by Anne Enright • The Gathering - by Anne Enright • Tale of Two Cities - By Charles Dickens • The Circus: Inside the Greatest Political Show on Earth - Showtime • Tell Me Something I Don't Know - Podcast hosted by Stephen J. Dubner of Freakonomics Radio. • This Guy Makes Millions Playing Video Games on YouTube - What?! - by Christopher Zoia (The Atlantic, 2014 Mar 14)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It is Sales' birthday! Plenty of cry laughing and clanging with mentions to scoffing pizza on live TV, having a late dinner with Armando Iannucci plus Brad Pitt channelling Zoolander. (Dedicated to Mark Colvin who passed away 11 May 2017) • Moss in a Jar - from Koi Dessert Bar • Gary Cole - plays Kent Davison in Veep • Armando Iannucci in Conversation with Annabel Crabb - Wheeler Centre • Brad Pitt Talks Divorce, Quitting Drinking, and Becoming a Better Man - by Michael Paterniti (GQ, 2017 May 03) • Who let Brad Pitt's fashotainment shoot happen? - by Marina Hyde (Guardian, 2017 May 05) • 'Internet searches reveal only so much': a memoir - by Stephanie Wood (SMH Good Weekend, 2017 April 28) • The Green Road - by Anne Enright • Wentworth - Season 5 • The Americans - Season 5 • Are you my driver? - the T-ShirtSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Crabb and Sales chat about S-Town, Oprah, exploding whales and tuba players with bum acne. There is the inevitable mention of Garner. Apparently Sales indulges in some dance moves inspired by "Every Musical Ever". Both reveal a backlog in their "must-read-and-watch" lists. Frustratingly we do not get the details about Sales' early night after the Logies!? • S-Town - podcast from the makers of Serial and This American Life • A Reading List for Fans of S-Town - Readings Bookshop • Making Oprah - WBEZ podcast • Bill O'Reilly reportedly to get almost $33 million payout from Fox - by Anousha Sakoui (SMH, 2017 Apr 21) • The Dollop - Podcast with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds • [Highlight episodes: Ep 239 Enron; Ep 227 Whalesplosion; Ep 160 Fed Ex Fight 705; Ep 99 Radium Girls and Ep12 The Rube] • Malcolm Turnbull on the new citizenship laws - Leigh Sales (7.30 Interview, 2017 Apr 20) • - "But your heart is not really in it" • A Writing Life: Helen Garner and Her Work - by Bernadette Brennan • The Children's Bach - by Helen Garner • This House of Grief - by Helen Garner • Calamity Jane - Hayes Theatre • Every Musical Ever - podcast by Richard Carroll • A Trip to Spain - Steve Coogan and Rob Brydon • Steve Coogan & Rob Brydon re-enacting the moment David Bowie followed Rob on Twitter (via Twitter) • Red Pill - a film by Cassie Jaye • The Red Pill ban: an absurdity only online activism could create - by Annabel Crabb (SMH, 2017 Apr 22) • Boss Baby - with Alec Baldwin • Boss Baby is an 'immature, sometimes greedy businessman' - not Trump - by Amanda Holpuch (Guardain, 2017 Apr 02) • Wentworth - Season 5 • The Lucky One - by Carolyn Overington • The Good Girl Stripped Bare - by Tracy Spicer • Storyland - by Catherine McKinnon • Museum of Modern Love - by Heather Rose • The Artist is Present: Marina Abramovic opens MONA retrospective - by Debbie Cuthbertson (The Age, 2015 Jun 12) • The Green Road - by Anne Enright • Anne Enright: What You Have To Do Is Not Leave The House - in conversation with Annabel Crabb; Sydney Writers Festival 2017 May 24 • Julia Baird: Victoria the Queen - in conversation with Annabel Crabb; Sydney Writers Festival 2017 May 25 • Dreams of Her Real Self: Writers on Helen Garner - panel discussion; Sydney Writers Festival 2017 May 27See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

From the Nobel Prize Ceremony and the Logies to giant rabbits and chickens, Sales and Crabb have it all covered. Mia Freedman, Patti Smith get a mention and of course the new season of Veep! • Special Delivery - by Annabel Crabb. Asian Sweet Potato soup: p46 • United Airlines 'saddened' by death of giant rabbit after transatlantic flight - by J Grierson and PJ Walker (The Guardian, 2017 Apr 27) • Giant chicken (via YouTube) • Veep : Season 6 (2017) • Crass Roots: "Veep" grows up - by Emily Nussbaum (New Yorker, 2013 May 06) • 아내 가뭄 - by Annabel Crabb (Korean edition of Wife Drought - YouTube promo video) • Work Strife Balance - by Mia Freedman • Mia Freedman's son reveals her worst parenting fails - by Jordan Baker (Daily Telegraph Stellar Magazine, 2017 Apr 23) • There's something about Mia Freedman - by Jane Cadzow (SMH Good Weekend, 2017 Jun 27) • Patti Smith: It's never too late to learn from failure - Leigh Sales (7.30 Interview, 2017 Apr 11) • How Does it Feel - by Patti Smith (New Yorker 2016 Dec 14) • Patti Smith performs Bob Dylan's "A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall" - Nobel Prize Award Ceremony 2016 - (via YouTube) • Leigh Sales "Logies Ready" via Twitter • A Modern Way to Cook - by Anna JonesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Deux, derr, DUH! (Crabb and Sales go all out with their French pronunciation skills). A diverse range of topics are whized through: the Dixie Chicks concert, John Howard as Mark Colvin, books on political intrigue, the S-Town podcast from Alabama plus the art of writing a weekly column. There are plenty of distractions, including rose gold laptops and whether Crabb has left it too late to pick up the kids on time. • Spaghetti Tree (again!?) No, Sales was taken to Fancy Hank's instead! • The Dixie Chicks - All Music Biography • Dixie Chicks - video snippet of the concert (via Leigh Sales Facebook). • Mark Colvin's Kidney - Belvoir Theatre • 30 Rock - Starring: Tina Fey, Alec Baldwin, Tracy Morgan • Very English Scandal - by John Preston • The Politician : An Insider's Account of John Edward's Pursuit of the Presidency - by Andrew Young • The Controversial 'Missing Richard Simmons' Podcast Has Ended Early After Criticism - Sinead Stubbins (Junkee, March 22 2017) • S-Town - podcast from the makers of Serial and This American Life • Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil - by John Berendt • The Squiz - Daily news summary. "Your shortcut to being informed." • Breakfast Politics - Christine Wallace (Archive) • There is nothing free about Mark Latham's Speech - Annabel Crabb (SMH, April 1 2017) • William Eggleston Portraits - National Gallery of Victoria (17 Mar - 18 June 2017) • Bill Henson - Recent Photographs - National Gallery of Victoria (10 Mar - 27 Aug 2017) • Stop Fixing Women: Why building fairer workplaces is everybody's business - by Catherine Fox • Writing Life: Helen Garner and Her Work - by Bernadette Brennan • Into the darkness: Helen Garners drive to understand a murderer - by Bernadette Brennan (The Weekend Australian Magazine, March 25-26, 2017) • Richard Glover - columns • - Final Encounter with My Mother (SMH, March 31, 2017) • - Putting a price on happiness, before plastic makes it obsolete (SMH, March 25, 2017) • Flesh Wounds: For Anyone Whose Family Was Not What They Ordered - by Richard Glover • Chrissie Swan website - which includes Herald Sun column • Annabel Crabb - columns and commentarySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The 50th episode! Surely not? There is plenty of clanging, including some competitive clanging over Armando Iannucci. Sales has been getting chummy with Iannucci and Bill Nighy, while Crabb has been hanging out with the world's 50 best chefs. There is an hysterical meltdown over a list of the 2017 AFL players' names. • British actor Bill Nighy talks about his latest work - Leigh Sales (7.30 Interview, April 3 2017) • Armando Iannucci labels Donald Trump a 'walking satire balloon' - Leigh Sales (7.30 Interview, March 22 2017) • Armando Iannucci in conversation with Annabel Crabb - Wheeler Centre • The Americans: Season 5 - (FX) • Some of the ways TV critics have tried to get me to watch "The Americans" - Tom Batten (New Yorker, March 30, 2017) • AFL 2017 in names only: the only player analysis you'll need this footy season - Hugh Robertson (The Monthly, April 2017) • Why are there so few female chief executives? Why are so many CEOs named Peter? - Peter Martin (SMH, March 8 2015) • Someone Threw The 'Veep' Music Over That Awkward Trump Non-Signing - (via The Huffington Post, April 2 2017) • Aaron Sorkin Conjures a Meeting of Obama and Bartlet - Maureen Dowd (New York Times, Sep 8 2008) • Sassy Trump - YouTube • World's 50 Best Restaurants 2017 - (Good Food, April 6 2017) • Chef's Table: A look at the lives and kitchens of world-famous chefs - (Netflix) • Top female chef brilliantly shuts down sexist question at 50 Best Talks - Jane de Graaff • (Kitchen, Nine Network, April 3 2017)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

So soon, but here they are again! Crabb and Sales discuss hospital visits, the Missing Richard Simmons podcast plus new books and TV. Inadvertently Crabb's mum, Christobel, becomes the first ever Chat 10 Looks 3 phone interview. Who is the mysterious Tony Jones look-a-like who is hanging around? • Sydney Children's Hospital - website • - see also the Starlight Room Broadcast - things to do in Hospital. • Missing Richard Simmons - Podcast • 'Missing Richard Simmons,' the Morally Suspect Podcast - by Amanda Hess, NYT, 2017 Mar 14 • What Happened When I Confronted My Cruellest Troll - by Lindy West (via Guardian 3 Feb 2015) • Shrill: Notes From A Loud Woman - by Lindy West • Eileen - by Ottessa Moshfegh • Notes on a Scandal - Zoe Heller • Listen, Liberal: What Ever Happened to the Party of the People? - by Thomas Frank • The Art of Rivalry - by Sebastian Smee • The First American: The Life and Times of Benjamin Franklin - H.W. Brands • (held in quite a few Australian libraries, see Trove holdings.) • This is Us - NBC drama • Swiss Family Robinson - AudiobookSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sales finds a room with a piano and invites Crabb for a sing-a-long inspired by the Book of Mormon. Crabb discusses some terrific events she saw at the 2017 Adelaide Festival. To top it off there is the important discovery that Crabb and Sales have a mutual love of the number 12. • Book of Mormons (currently in Melbourne at the Princess Theatre) • The Force Awakens - Star Wars Ep 7 • Adelaide Festival 2017; Crabb's highlights: • - Saul - Barrie Kosky (George Frideric Handel's Saul) • - Betroffenheit - Electric Company Theatre / Kidd Pivot • - Secret River - Andrew Bovell's adaptation of Kate Grenville's novel directed by Neil Armfield • - Secret River - by Kate Grenville • - Coral : Rekindling Venus - Lynette Wallworth • - Pythagoras's Trousers - by Margaret Wertheim • - Crochet Coral Reef - project created by Margaret and Christine Wertheim • The Garden of Unearthly Delights in Adelaide is named in reference to the Hieronymus Bosch painting Garden of Earthly Delights (reference: Adelaide Now: Adelaide Fringe: Garden of Unearthly Delights.) • Man Gets Romney 'R' Tattooed On His Face - (via http://abcnews.go.com 26 October 2012) • Julia Zemiro's Home Delivery S5 Ep3 Annabel Crabb (on iView until Sep 2020) • Julia Zemiro's Home Delivery S3 Ep3 Leigh Sales (no longer on iView, but can be purchased)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Summer viewing and reading has thrown up all sorts of questions for Crabb and Sales: Why are they more attached to Prince Phillip than they ever thought they would be? How can you turn shitty audio quality into a useful art form? Will they ever be able to go for a whole episode without mentioning Helen Garner? Plus should they write their own theme tune? • The Crown - starring Claire Foy, Matt Smith, John Lithgow • Homecoming - Gimlet Media podcast • Cbeebies Bedtime Story - Tom Hardy • The Encounter - directed by Simon McBurney, performed by Richard Katz • La La Land - starring Ryan Gossling and Emma Stone • Movies in which Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone have Co-starred - via Pop Sugar • Singin' in the Rain - starring Gene Kelly, Debbie Reynolds and Donald O'Connor • Jackie - starring Natalie Portman • Frost Nixon - starring Michael Sheen and Frank Langella • A Question of Leadership: Paul Keating, Political Fighter - by Michael Gordon. (1993 book now out of print, but held in a number of libraries plus some second hand shops.) • Inauguration Day: A Bad Lip Reading of Donald Trump's Inauguration - via YouTube • The Netherlands welcomes Trump in his own words - via YouTube • Life Accordion to Trump : Huw Parkinson - via YouTube • Room to Read - 2017 Sydney Wine Gala • Monkey Grip - by Helen Garner • Left Luggage - by Andrew Christie (or via https://paintingthebridge.com/) • A Girl in Time - by John Birmingham • Postcards from the Edge - by Carrie Fisher • Postcards from the Edge - starring Meryl Streep and Shirley MacLaine • After - by Nikki Gemmell (publication date: March 2017) • Black Mirror - starring Bryce Dallas Howard, Alice Eve, Michael Kelly • Good Wife - starring Julianna Margulies, Chris Noth, Christine Baranski • Still Lucky: Why you should feel optimistic about Australia and its people - by Rebecca Huntley • Mad Libs - word gamesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.