

The Flow Show with Jeff Gross
Jeff Gross
Join Jeff Gross in his conversations with the best poker players and industry leaders to learn what sets them apart from the rest.
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Mar 22, 2020 • 2h 4min
Mustapha Kanit / Pro Poker Player / Winamax Ambassador / LIVE MTT Earnings $11,566,695
Mustapha Kanit, an Italian poker pro with $11,566,695 in live earnings and Winamax ambassador, shares how he’s handling the coronavirus in the U.K. He dives into his outlook on life and what he’s learned through poker – the good and bad. Tune in to learn about Mustapha’s commitment to excellence, why he treats poker like a business, and how he stays consistent – and hear his advice to maximize your time to leverage every opportunity that comes your way.
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Time Stamped Show Notes:
00:00 – 23:00 – Introducing Mustapha, what the coronavirus situation is like in the U.K. and Europe, his poker journey, and his friendship with Dario.
23:00 – 47:00 – His outlook on life, lessons from poker, breaking laptops, and studying – and why he sees professional poker players as entrepreneurs with all the same stressors.
47:00 – 54:00 - On being consistent, delivering excellence, improving his game, and how he plans to maintain his health and stay young.
54:00 – 01:04:00 - On how people become the best, why he invests and is always learning, and his biggest achievements live and online.
01:04:00 – 01:26:00 - His worst poker memory, why the reason you play poker matters, his thoughts on live reads, and more on his journey and wins.
01:26:00 – 01:42:00 - His poker and non-poker goals, the story of his moustache, and what he’s recommends people do with their time to leverage opportunities.
01:42:00 – 02:04:30 – More on the coronavirus, healthcare differences between the U.S. and Europe, cultural differences, his love for lasagna, and information about Winamax.
3 Key Points
Become the best by constantly improving yourself.
Be open-minded.
Treat poker like a business.
Contact/Resources
Partner - Party Poker
Website - Jeff Gross Poker
Mustapha’s Instagram
Winamax - Website

Mar 22, 2020 • 1h 15min
Bill Perkins Discussing the Coronavirus (COVID-19)
Bill Perkins knows the power of exponentials. That’s why he’s on the show to spread awareness about the coronavirus, how cases are exponentially growing, and why it’s critical that we take it seriously. He shares what he’s personally doing to change his behavior at this time and what he predicts will happen depending on how we respond as a nation. Tune in to learn about Bill’s philosophy behind his book “Die with Zero” – and hear why Bill’s so passionate about maximizing every stage of life to the fullest.
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Time Stamped Show Notes:
00:00 – 15:00 – Bill talks about coronavirus, exponentials, action that needs to be taken, and why we desperately need to take it more seriously and change our behavior.
15:00 – 29:30 - The issue with testing, details about being an asymptomatic carrier of the virus, the respirator problem, how’s its impacted events, and his plans for his kid’s school.
29:30 – 42:00 - Bill’s number predictions, how he’s integrating new behaviors into his lifestyle, and some information about his new book “Die with Zero”.
42:00 – 55:30 - On taking advantage of the seasons of life, living your life off autopilot, and being able to look back and appreciate a life well-spent.
55:30 – 01:06:30 - On inheritances, understanding your peak, the scary secondary and tertiary affects, and the rollouts of the National Guard.
01:06:30 – 01:15:00 - On cancelling his trip to New York, the cancellation of big events, and a reiteration of how we must change our behavior to see positive results.
3 Key Points
Wash your hands.
Don’t live your life on autopilot.
Coronavirus isn’t just the flu.
Contact/Resources
Partner - Party Poker
Website - Jeff Gross Poker
Bill’s Instagram
Bill’s Hendon Mob

Mar 17, 2020 • 1h 2min
Eric Afriat / Businessman / 3x WPT Champion / Total Live MTT Earnings $3,419,157
Eric Afriat, a businessman and 3x WPT champ with $3,802,696 in live earnings, shares how he’s managed to dominate the tables despite having a busy life off the felt. He shares his philosophy on winning and attributes his success to the mental toughness he’s been able to cultivate over the years. Tune in to find out Eric’s thoughts on playing defensively, positioning, and implementing a strategy that isn’t based on luck – and learn the powerful mindset that takes him to final tables.
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Time Stamped Show Notes:
00:00 – 08:00 – Introducing Eric, his entrepreneurial journey, how he got into poker, and some of his big tournament wins.
08:00 – 20:00 - On winning and improving, how he’s at a disadvantage in poker, training to be mentally tough, positioning, strategy and his opinion on the best way to play.
20:00 – 30:00 - On playing defense, having confidence, playing “position poker”, and understanding that poker is strategy, not luck.
30:00 – 42:00 - How it felt to win, the importance of a powerful and supportive wife, how his attitude has helped him win, and when he chooses not to take the risk.
42:00 – 51:00 – On playing with better players, improving his game, playing golf, frustrations at the table, and leaving it at the table.
51:00 – On playing poker as a kid, poker being taboo in his life, taking time off, healing, and his favorite hand.
3 Key Points
Have a powerful and supportive partner.
Poker is strategy.
Have a winning mindset.
Contact/Resources
Partner - Party Poker
Website - Jeff Gross Poker
Eric’s Hendon Mob
Eric’s Twitter s

Mar 6, 2020 • 1h 40min
Danny Tang / Pro Poker Player / Natural 8 Ambassador / Live MTT Earnings $8,400,000
Danny Tang, a poker pro and Natural 8 ambassador with $8,400,000 in MTT earnings, gives some tips for mastering the short-deck game. He shares study/play ratio recommendations for beginners and opens up about how he builds mental strength and manages bad beats. Tune in to find out how Danny came up in the ranks and killed it in his most recent tournaments – and hear what the best players do that no one else does.
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Time Stamped Show Notes:
00:00 – 21:00 – Introducing Danny, his background, how he got into poker, his game preferences, study/play ratio recommendation for beginners, and a short-deck trick.
21:00 – 39:30 - On his travels, Coronavirus, having people that push him, and how he prepares for the mental side of the game.
39:00 – 51:00 - Being a Natural 8 ambassador, the best way to get to higher stakes, and how he leveled-up quickly and won big in his most recent tournaments.
51:00 – 01:03:00 - Talking about other great players, a little hint about a possible new stop, his micro-stakes downswing and why he starts complaining just on bad beats.
01:03:00 – 01:15:30 - What top pros do that others don’t, how his rankings and their importance to him have shifted, and what he did to come up in the ranks that he doesn’t do now.
01:15:30 – 01:33:00 - On being hooked on short-deck, his routine before tournaments, favorite place to visit, and how he handles bad beats in tournaments.
01:33:00 – 01:39:30 - Getting out there, giving and taking, doing things with heart and purpose, keeping community, and reminiscing on the guys that have supported him from the beginning.
3 Key Points
Always keep learning.
It’s not always about skill; opportunity also plays a big role in moving up to higher stakes games.
Bad beats are normal – how you handle them is what makes the difference.
Contact/Resources
Partner - Party Poker
Website - Jeff Gross Poker
Daniel’s Hendon Mob

Mar 4, 2020 • 1h 46min
Matt Savage / Executive WPT Tour director
Matt Savage, the American Poker Tournament Director and Executive Tour Director of the World Poker Tour, reveals what goes on behind-the-scenes at the Poker Tournament Director’s Association. He shares his opinion on table-talk, collusion, re-entries, and disclosing your hand, and explains the role of cash games in tournaments. Tune in to find out how the Coronavirus may impact future poker events and hear Matt’s crazy stories about what he’s seen at the table and the rulings he has made.
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Time Stamped Show Notes:
00:00 – 22:00 – Introducing Matt, his price-pool explanation, what happens when guarantees are missed, and more about what happened behind-the-scenes in a bizarre situation.
22:00 – 32:00 - Matt’s thoughts on disclosing the contents of your hand, collusion, table-talk, live poker, how the rules around re-entries were structured, and the role of cash games.
32:00 – 47:00 - What they do at the Poker Tournament Director’s Association (TDA), big-blind ante, how Coronavirus impacted their event, and the risk for future events.
47:00 – 01:05:00 - On the WPT partnering with partypoker, the status of the Bay 101 and Shooting Star events, and how Matt finds the time for family and other hobbies.
01:05:00 – 01:22:00 - His poker Hall of Fame nominations, thoughts on other players who are crushing it, favorite tournaments, and appreciation for poker.
01:22:00 – 01:46:00 - The wildest thing Matt has seen, his craziest ruling, a story of when Robert Duvall put him in his place, and his opinion on the latest poker industry news.
3 Key Points
Be fearless in the pursuit of your goals.
Be patient with changes and improvements in the industry.
Wild and crazy things always happen in poker.
Contact/Resources
Partner - Party Poker
Website - Jeff Gross Poker
Matt’s Twitter
Matt’s Hendon Mob

Feb 27, 2020 • 1h 54min
Rafael Moraes / Brazilian Poker Legend / 4Bet Partner / Live MTT Earnings $1,627,528
Rafael Moraes, a Brazilian poker legend and 4Bet Partner with $1,627,528 of live MTT earnings, shares why he’s been playing less and what he’s been doing instead. He talks about the range of buy-ins in his stable, which spots tend to be the most profitable, and how he handles downswings. Tune in to learn what Rafael does to prepare for wins – and listen to the advice he gives new players wanting to make poker a career.
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Time Stamped Show Notes:
00:00 – 21:00 – Introducing Rafael, his origin story, poker journey, and how his career has shifted over the years into a role of teaching.
21:00 – 40:00 - On being the most profitable player in Brazil, his top online and live results, and his experience playing tournaments.
40:00 – 55:30 - On Brazilian poker fans, his favorite stops, the responsibility of professionals in poker, and why poker isn’t for everyone.
55:30 – 01:17:30 - How his game has advanced, other sports teams that he supports, his sponsorship, and what he thinks about bitcoin.
01:17:30 – 01:36:30 - The range of buy-ins in his stable, which spots tends to be the most profitable, what he does to handle downswings, and how he prepares to play.
01:36:30 – 01:54:00 - Advice from Rafael for new poker players, what he would say to warn them, what he would like to see change in the poker world, and information about 4Bet.
3 Key Points
Poker isn’t for everyone.
Have a variety of hobbies and activities.
Have a routine before you play that prepares your mindset.
Contact/Resources
Partner - Party Poker
Website - Jeff Gross Poker
Rafael’s Instagram
Rafael’s Hendon Mob

Feb 27, 2020 • 1h 39min
Joe Hachem / Professional Poker Player / Total Live MTT Earnings $12,672,387
Joe Hachem, a professional poker player with $12,672,387 in total live MTT earnings, shares openly about the tough phase he had early in his poker career. He dives into his thoughts on the different poker sites that are out there, reminisces on how things have changed over the years, and reveals some of the investments he has made. Tune in to learn Joe’s biggest tip for live players – and hear what he means when he talks about “chip ownership”.
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Time Stamped Show Notes:
00:00 – 21:00 – Joe’s journey and his biggest losses.
21:00 – 37:00 - Joe’s big win, his family, and what he thinks about different poker companies.
37:00 – 52:30 - His WPT win, investments, and advice on chip ownership.
52:30 – 01:10:00 - On his upcoming travels, games, crazy hands, and tips for live game players.
01:10:00 – 01:18:00 - On his other hobbies, alternative dream job, and poker sites.
01:18:00 – 01:39:00 - What ruins games for him, books he has read, and a cool story.
3 Key Points
Don’t look at your earnings as if they are “play money”!
Not every sport has to be bet on to enjoy watching it.
Keep your head up through tough times.
Contact/Resources
Partner - Party Poker
Website - Jeff Gross Poker
Joe’s Twitter

Feb 9, 2020 • 2h 15min
Luke Schwartz / Professional Poker Player / WSOP Bracelet Winner / UK Poker GOAT
In this episode, Luke Schwartz, a professional poker player, WSOP bracelet winner, and UK Poker GOAT, shares the surprising way he used to get money as a teen. He talks about the challenge that catalyzed a turning point in his career and what he believes are the most critical parts of the game. Luke also breaks down the mindset struggles he faces and confesses that he doesn’t study. Tune in to learn why Luke doesn’t recommend playing poker as a career and hear how playing high-stakes has affected his daily life.
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Time Stamped Show Notes:
00:00 – 27:30 - Luke’s poker journey and how he got into college with no credentials.
27:30 – 50:00 - A turning point in Luke’s career and the most critical parts of the game.
50:00 – 01:07:40 – His favorite sites, tournaments, health, wins, and Vegas trips.
01:07:40 – 01:27:00 - Luke’s WSOP win and what he sees as the good and bad of poker.
01:27:00 – 01:50:00 – On sports, hot clubs in the UK, traveling, and high-stakes.
01:50:00 – 02:15:00 - On forums, funny prop bets, drugs, and predictions.
3 Key Points
Not everyone who gets far studies – but it’s still recommended.
Even the pros still work through mindset challenges.
Poker isn’t easy money.
Contact/Resources
Partner - Party Poker
Website - Jeff Gross Poker

Jan 28, 2020 • 1h 39min
Shannon Shorr / Professional Poker Player / Total Live MTT Earnings $8,063,036
In this episode, Shannon Shorr, a professional poker player with over $8 million in earnings, tells the story of how he started playing poker as a small-town kid in Kentucky. He shares the journey from playing underground and online games to travelling internationally for massive tournaments – and reveals an interesting strategy that worked at his first big game. Shannon also explains how practicing mindfulness, meditation, and yoga has revolutionized the way he sees the world. Tune in to learn some tips for staying focused, boosting productivity, and continuing your personal growth through poker.
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Time Stamped Show Notes:
00:00 – 13:30 – Shannon’s personal and professional journey.
13:30 – 32:00 - On handling downswings, practicing mindfulness and getting results.
32:00 – 46:30 - The downsides of poker, importance of having a crew, and state of poker.
46:30 – 01:01:30 - On his love for the outdoors, productivity, and thoughts on digital.
01:01:30 – 01:08:00 - On living in Vegas and how he has evolved over the course of his career.
01:08:00 – 01:28:00 - Shannon’s new car, 2020 goals, thoughts on crypto, and poker reflections.
01:28:00 – 01:39:00 - On sports, studying, being an “old timer” and the novelty in poker.
3 Key Points
Poker provides the opportunity to grow personally.
Mindfulness and meditation can improve your game and reduce tilts.
Reducing your use of technology can boost productivity and keep you focused.
Contact/Resources
Partner - Party Poker
Website - Jeff Gross Poker
Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport
Shannon’s Twitter

Jan 22, 2020 • 2h 18min
Kristy Arnett / Poker Player / Content Creator / Writer
In this episode, Kristy Arnett, a poker player, content creator, and writer, shares how she met her husband and played poker with him on their very first date. She also talks about when she felt stagnant in her career and almost got a divorce – and what she did to get out of her rut. Kristy reveals the personal work she’s done over the years to get aligned with her purpose and vision - and has turned her focus on what makes her happy. Tune in to learn how Kristy makes sound decisions, grounds herself, and stays present in the game– and how you can, too.
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Time Stamped Show Notes:
00:00 – 17:30 - Kristy’s beginnings, journey, risks, recent games, and wins.
17:30 – 34:00 - On quitting Poker News, personal development, and managing her content.
34:00 – 01:00:00 - What makes her happy, gives her purpose, and propels her forward.
01:00:00 – 01:30:00 - On mindset, routines, memorable interviews, and future plans.
01:30:00 – 01:50:00 - Her 2020 goals, the opportunities poker has given her, and how she chills.
01:50:00 – 02:06:00 - On her YouTube channel and favorite vloggers.
02:06:00 – 02:18:00 – On poker strategy, the issue with narrow teaching styles, and Party Poker.
3 Key Points
Good is the enemy of great.
Do what makes you happy!
Poker gives you massive opportunities to up-level yourself.
Contact/Resources
Partner - Party Poker
Website - Jeff Gross Poker
Website – Kristy’s Site
Kristy’s Poker Pro Guide


