

The InEVitable
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Welcome to The InEVitable! Join MotorTrend’s Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman each week as they explore the future of mobility, the future of the car, and the future of transportation! Where are we going, and how will we get there? Each week, the guys are joined by special guests ranging from celebrities, industry leaders, and car crazy folks. Charge up & join us!
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Jun 1, 2023 • 1h 55min
Acura’s Chief Brand Officer Jon Ikeda on the future of Acura & electrification!
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Acura's Chief Brand Officer - Jon Ikeda! The guys talk to Jon about the future of the brand & the first ever all-electric Acura!
2:47 - Acura winning Rolex 24 at Daytona.
7:29 - Jon's history - growing up in Japan, drawing cars, & Hot Wheels sets.
15:03 - Jon's path to studying car design at Art Center.
29:31 - Internships out of Art Center.
34:17 - Path to Honda - Dave Marek took him to see his first F1 race.
46:47 - FSX 1991 Tokyo Motor Show.
56:19 - Joined Acura in 1989.
01:01:23 - Performance-focused design.
01:12:57 - Made GM of Sales to rebuild the brand in 2015.
01:18:17 - Type S & ZDX.
01:23:32 - Acura Integra Type S, Precision EV Concept, & ZDX Type S - the first all-electric Acura!
01:29:57 - The InEVitable future - "The curve is going to be insane."
01:34:38 - Concerns about jobs in Japan & Germany.
01:37:02 - What does a performance brand do with autonomy?
01:39:17 - Pricing on Acura Integra Type S. Type R?
01:43:22 - Integra Type S vs Civic Type R.
01:46:20 - Dinner party brand analogy.
01:52:47 - Jon's personal collection.
01:54:17 - Acura's first EV!
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May 25, 2023 • 57min
Hydrogen Fuel Cell Technology with Hyundai’s Ken Ramirez & Martin Zeilinger
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Hyundai's EVP & Head of CV Development Tech Unit, Martin Zeilinger, and EVP & Head of Global CV Hydrogen Fuel Cell Business, Ken Ramirez. The guys discuss Hyundai's brand new XCIENT Hydrogen Fuel Cell Class 8 Tractor Trailer for the American market!
4:07 - Why bother with Hydrogen?
9:02 - Production of Hydrogen.
11:51 - Scope of Long-Haul Trucking with Hydrogen.
13:57 - How does it work?
15:40 - Safety concerns?
17:42 - Where will the Hydrogen infrastructure come from?
26:32 - Martin's background prior to Hyundai.
28:07 - Ken's background prior to Hyundai.
30:47 - Where does Long-Haul Trucking fit into Hyundai's global alternative fuels initiative?
33:08 - When did they start taking Hydrogen seriously?
36:55 - When will the Class 8 Truck hit the streets in America?
41:52 - Why Hydrogen Fuel Cell for Class 8 vehicles?
46:15 - Does Hydrogen technology work for Boats & Airplanes?
47:44 - What are the concerns they hear from companies about making the switch?
51:29 - Alternate applications for Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology.
54:02 - Is it really *that* clean?
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May 18, 2023 • 1h 44min
Solar Mobility with Aptera Chief of Design Jason Hill
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Chief of Design at Aptera, Jason Hill! The guys chat with Jason about Aptera & the future of solar mobility!
01:43 - Jason's Art Center cohorts in 1990.
05:54 - Thoughts/attitudes toward EVs in the early 90s.
11:01 - Father & Uncle were both GM designers.
21:38 - Jason's internships in Europe.
25:29 - Aerovironment, CalTech wind tunnel project. EV1, GM Ultralite.
27:10 - Mercedes Benz design studio. MCC(Mercedes Compact Car), Eco Sprinter.
35:00 - Designing the Maybach.
40:42 - Left Mercedes for Samsung.
43:14 - Porsche Studios, designing the Carrera GT.
52:43 - Traveling for Porsche & teaching.
54:32 - Started design consultancy - Eleven LLC.
01:00:49 - Aptera, started in 2006. Designing the Aptera Type 1.
01:06:00 - What is an Aptera? Solar powered!
01:14:55 - What material is the Aptera made of?
01:16:32 - Aptera safety?
01:22:02 - How do they drive?
01:23:21 - Aptera Solar - adds 40+ miles/day. Designing cells for the car.
01:25:05 - Creative energy mission.
01:26:34 - Delivery Date & Price?
01:30:24 - Ultra-Efficiency. Platform for a Solar-Powered future.
01:32:08 - Early adopters of Aptera.
01:33:00 - The InEVitability of Solar Power!
01:34:12 - Colors?
01:40:08 - When can we drive it?
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May 11, 2023 • 1h 7min
Comedian/Musician Reggie Watts on the end of The Late Late Show with James Corden & humanity’s future with AI!
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman welcome back comedian, author & musician - Reggie Watts! Reggie talks about the end of The Late Late Show with James Corden, his new book, cyborgs, GPT-4, Midjourney, and humanity's future with AI!
1:30 - Our first returning guest!
3:30 - Reactions to Reggie's comments from the last podcast.
5:55 - Being a "car guy".
8:34 - Value of Porsche.
10:52 - Reggie & Jonny's trip to Majorca for Porsche, met Timo Bernhardt.
18:06 - Man-Machine connection. Flow state as a musician.
19:44 - Final taping of The Late Late Show on Thursday, April 27th. What's next?
22:20 - Saying goodbye to The Late Late Show.
25:00 - What's next for Reggie? NEW BOOK, "Great Falls Montana", on Reggie's high school years. AI show, sketch show, & Polestar!
25:58 - Incredibly optimistic about AI.
27:05 - Types of AI Reggie is using - Midjourney, Dall-E, Stable Diffusion visual art
29:03 - The Memo - update on the state of AI - Dr. Alan D. Thompson.
32:35 - GPT-4.
35:23 - Is AI a threat to musicians?
36:37 - Personal AI.
38:21 - Cyborgs, Mars, & Consciousness Upload.
44:04 - AI replacing jobs.
45:43 - Pedal from Misha Mansoor.
48:55 - Djent & Meshuggah.
53:54 - Writing a MT article with GPT-4.
56:30 - Midjourney car design experiment.
59:43 - Conversations with Franz von Holzhausen about AI.
01:01:57 - Reggie's new projects.
01:05:20 - F1.
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May 4, 2023 • 1h 44min
Legendary comedian Jay Leno on his career, world famous car collection, & the future of automobiles!
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with legendary comedian & car enthusiast Jay Leno! The guys cover a number of subjects from specifics about his world famous car collection, thoughts on EVs, Johnny Carson & David Letterman stories, and the future of automobiles! Check out Jay Leno's Garage at LenosGarage.com!
2:20 - Gas, Electric, or Steam?
5:44 - Jay's earliest Car? The 1906 Stanley Steamer!
10:15 - Criticisms of early EVs & steam cars.
13:40 - Jay's EVs - Tesla Model S Plaid, Fiat, 1914 Baker Electric, 1909 Baker Electric, & The Owen Magnetic.
16:45 - Demon 170 vs. Tesla Plaid - "It's like your sister's big, dumb, football-playing boyfriend."
19:55 - Are EVs InEVitable? The future of gas powered cars & auto racing.
23:10 - Conversations with EV haters - who are they mad at?
30:53 - Where does his love of cars come from? Jay's early cars.
32:21 - Jay bought his dad a Cadillac.
38:30 - Jay on moving to (and around) Los Angeles.
41:09 - First splurge car? 1970 Mercedes 220 coupe.
43:02 - Johnny Carson & David Letterman stories.
48:55 - Relationship with Jerry Seinfeld.
51:45 - Why he started his car collection.
55:20 - Hand painted posters in his garage.
59:31 - Formula 1: Drive to Survive.
01:02:08 - Talking about cars.
01:08:05 - Daily routine? Automotive news. Bring a Trailer.
01:12:40 - Of his 204 cars, which one changed his outlook?
01:16:16 - The Duesenberg, and the 8.0 L Bentley.
01:20:04 - How does Jay choose what to drive? Working on cars.
01:24:40 - Succession plan for his car collection?
01:26:17 - Thoughts on EVs. Which EVs are Jay impressed with?
01:33:50 - Chinese EVs?
01:35:55 - Unattainable cars?
01:39:39 - Czinger
01:41:55 - InEVitable bell???
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Apr 27, 2023 • 2h 4min
Tosin Abasi & Misha Mansoor - Music & Cars
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with musicians Tosin Abasi of Animals as Leaders, and Misha Mansoor of Periphery! The guys discuss their careers, car collections, and the intersection of music & cars!
2:12 - The Beatles, Michael Jackson, & Eddie Van Halen.
6:06 - Rolling Stones 100 Greatest Guitarists Of All Time.
9:06 - How Tosin developed his playing style.
16:15 - When Misha & Tosin first met.
19:00 - Tosin nearly quit music.
23:15 - Misha, self-taught musician.
28:33 - Parents.
35:23 - Djent Metal vs Meshuggah.
44:52 - Misha's love for cars.
46:12 - Tosin's progression of car love & driver's license test.
54:12 - Misha's cars; M3 > 911 Turbo S > Ferrari 488 > Gen 2 R8 > Lambo Performante > Ferrari A12 > GT3 touring > McLaren 720s Spider > BRZ.
01:05:21 - Tosin's cars; GTI > Porsche Cayman S > R8 > R8 > AMG GT R > Ferrari 488 > McLaren LT > Macan S.
01:15:54 - Experiences with EVs - Analog vs Digital.
01:17:33 - Misha's first time driving a Tesla Plaid.
01:19:44 - Tesla vs Lucid.
01:20:19 - INEVITABLE!!!!!
01:24:26 - Distortion & Engine Noise.
01:32:36 - Analog vs Digital.
01:39:33 - A.I. & ChatGPT.
01:58:25 - Driving Music.
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Apr 20, 2023 • 1h 46min
Mujeeb Ijaz | Founder & CEO of ONE (Our Next Energy) - Solving Battery Technology Issues
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Founder & CEO of ONE - Mujeeb Ijaz! What if Range was no longer an issue? Mujeeb & his company are at the forefront of solving the world's EV battery technology issues.
2:20 - Tesla Model S battery prototype with over 700 miles of range.
9:11 - What is the ideal range for an EV?
15:10 - ONE Battery series - Aries LFP, Aries II, Gemini, & Aries Grid.
22:40 - Gemini battery series.
26:01 - BMX iX battery with over 600 miles of range.
29:51 - Aries Grid series.
39:45 - GM Sunrayce USA - that event that sparked Mujeeb's path to working on EVs.
48:30 - The problem with Hydrogen-powered passenger vehicles.
53:32 - Opinions on Plug-in Hybrids.
01:00:28 - early landscape of battery technology.
01:13:00 - lessons learned at Apple.
01:19:29 - Upcoming projects for ONE.
01:24:37 - 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning - Range, Towing & Cold Weather issues.
01:35:44 - the future of energy & charging.
01:37:11 - Lithium concerns?
01:38:55 - Frank's Lightning Round! Handicapping the "saviors" of the battery arena.
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Apr 13, 2023 • 1h 39min
Evan Lovett | ”L.A. In A Minute”
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Evan Lovett - Creator of "L.A. In A Minute"! Evan talks about his love for Los Angeles, the genesis of "L.A. In A Minute", his LA bonafides, Evan's car history, LA car culture, why Jonny bought a Rivian, Rivian vs Tesla, LA's mass transit history, Hot Rod's Magazine's 75th anniversary, and the best food spots around LA!
3:00 - Why L.A.?
8:47 - Father was a boxing manager.
13:53 - Meeting Mike Tyson.
19:10 - Genesis of "L.A. In A Minute"
32:48 - Handling anti-LA sentiments.
39:30 - Evan's LA Bonafides.
42:20 - Working for the LA Times.
48:45 - Evan's car history & LA car culture.
59:40 - Shopping for a new car.
01:03:02 - Why Jonny bought a Rivian.
01:06:33 - LA's mass transit history
01:12:55 - Best of LA Food - Pastrami, Mexican food, Tacos, Burgers, Pizza, BBQ & other gems.
01:33:51 - Hot Rod Magazine's 75th anniversary
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Apr 6, 2023 • 1h 57min
MotorTrend’s Scott Evans & Christian Seabaugh
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with fellow MotorTrend colleagues - Features Editors, Scott Evans & Christian Seabaugh! The guys discuss Scott & Christian's path to MotorTrend, MT's Rivian TransAmerica Trail, Scott's experience with the Chevy Bolt, range anxiety & charging anxiety, Christian's experience with the Subaru Crosstrek & Ford F-150 Lightning, Christian's experience with the bidirectional home charger, Scott & Jonny's case for solar panels & their experience with installation, Tesla Semi, "Hot swapping", advice for consumers, long Distance travel in an EV, why EVs are inEVitable, and more!
3:20 - Scott & Christian detail their journeys to MotorTrend.
14:30 - MT's Rivian TransAmerica Trail - a 5,000-plus-mile route stretching from the dunes of Nags Head, North Carolina, on the Atlantic coast, to the cliffs of Port Orford, Oregon, overlooking the Pacific.
20:30 - the first EVs they drove.
26:25 - why they came to MotorTrend.
29:30 - Mass EV adoption.
33:50 - Personal thoughts on EV adoption.
40:55 - Scott's experience with MT's 2017 Car of the Year - the Chevy Bolt.
43:45 - Range Anxiety & Charging anxiety.
45:00 - Christian's experience with the Subaru Crosstrek & Ford F-150 Lightning.
50:00 - Christian's experience with the Bidirectional home charger.
01:01:50 - Scott & Jonny's case for solar panels & experience with installation.
01:15:10 - Christian's story about the Tesla Semi-Truck.
01:21:05 - Notable Tesla events they've attended.
01:23:00 - Ed's experience at the Tesla battery swap event - "Hot swapping".
01:26:20 - Advice for consumers considering an EV purchase.
01:33:00 - Long Distance travel in an EV.
01:39:15 - Public reactions to MotorTrend's coverage on EVs.
01:41:50 - Why EVs are inEVitable.
01:45:25 - Jonny's follow-up to his article "You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars".
01:51:05 - Future stories coming up for Christian & Scott.
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Mar 30, 2023 • 1h 59min
Tesla Senior Designer Franz von Holzhausen
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Tesla Senior Designer - Franz von Holzhausen! Franz tells us about his path to Tesla, designer challenges, the prototype reveal in 2009, MotorTrend giving the Model S "Car of the Year" in 2013, his eureka moment, over-the-air updates, the genesis of the Cybertruck, building toward a sustainable future, towing & cold weather issues, the supercharging network, media pushback & disinformation, the semi-truck, and much more!
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