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Welcome to The InEVitable! Join MotorTrend’s Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman each week as they explore the future of mobility, the future of the car, and the future of transportation! Where are we going, and how will we get there? Each week, the guys are joined by special guests ranging from celebrities, industry leaders, and car crazy folks. Charge up & join us!
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Feb 1, 2024 • 1h 51min
Joel McHale on his Restomods, Road to Hollywood, & Crime Scene Kitchen on FOX!
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Actor/Comedian Joel McHale! The guys discuss Joel's Restomods, high school & college years, his road to Hollywood, his struggles with dyslexia, early commercial gigs, car history & current collection, thoughts on EVs, and Crime Scene Kitchen on FOX!
1:58 - Welcome Joel McHale!
2:52 - Joel's Corsetti Cruiser & 1969 Scout Resto-Mod.
8:38 - Joel's 1970 FJ43 Icon.
12:47 - Joel's taste in cars.
15:44 - Joel's Italian/Canadian roots.
20:54 - Sports at University of Washington & love for College Football.
26:34 - Greatest Sports Rivalries.
28:22 - High School years - sports & theater.
30:54 - Rowing team hazing.
34:50 - Joel's love for Tennis & Pickleball. Invented in Washington.
38:38 - Scotland's Dinnie Stones.
41:53 - Driver's test car & family cars.
47:16 - Immediate post college years - Seattle TV gig "Almost Live".
48:11 - His struggles with Dyslexia.
49:24 - MFA programs.
50:30 - Arrival in Los Angeles - 95 Camry got stolen.
52:22 - First cars after getting commercial gigs.
53:25 - Joel's early commercial gigs.
57:33 - Headshots & auditions.
01:02:16 - Crime Scene Kitchen on FOX!
01:07:37 - Aggressive foodie.
01:10:41 - Unsafe At Any Speed by Ralph Nader.
01:13:13 - Jonny & Joel's friendship.
01:18:57 - Joel's love for Tennis. Evolution of Rackets.
01:23:53 - Watches.
01:26:09 - Thoughts on EVs.
01:29:07 - Wants a Rivian.
01:32:31 - More on his car collection - 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado.
01:39:26 - Cobalt & Lithium.
01:41:43 - His kid's interest in cars.
01:45:02 - Crime Scene Kitchen on FOX!
01:48:57 - Shout out to Dax Shepard!
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Nov 30, 2023 • 1h 6min
Debuting the ALL-NEW Lucid Gravity SUV with CEO Peter Rowlinson & Senior VP of Design & Brand Derek Jenkins
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Lucid Motors CEO Peter Rowlinson & Senior VP of Design & Brand Derek Jenkins! The guys catch up with Peter & Derek at the LA Auto Show where they witnessed the official World Premiere of the Lucid Gravity!
0:38 - Welcome!
7:39 - Introducing the Lucid Gravity!
8:07 - Evolution of the design.
9:04 - Optimizing Range & Efficiency.
13:16 - A REAL Third Row.
14:13 - Battery pack design.
17:50 - How battery design informs exterior design.
21:45 - Lucid's DNA.
25:08 - Adjustments to the Secondary Screen design.
26:17 - Exterior & Interior Lighting.
28:37 - Frunkin'!
31:39 - Hidden Gems & New Themes.
35:37 - Peter's history with the company.
38:42 - Why the first Lucid vehicle was a Sedan.
43:43 - Chasing Efficiency.
45:47 - Company timeline.
51:10 - Design + Engineering = One Team!
56:20 - Genesis of the Gravity SUV.
58:49 - Charging Infrastructure.
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Nov 9, 2023 • 1h 41min
Hydrogen Powered Long Haul Trucking with Nikola’s Chief Engineer Christian Appel
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Nikola's Chief Engineer & Head of Vehicle Platforms - Christian Appel! The guys explore Nikola's ground-breaking Hydrogen Fuel Cell Electric Semi Truck!
2:00 - Getting a look at Nikola's Hydrogen Fuel Cell Electric Semi Truck!
3:43 - So, what is a Hydrogen Fuel Cell?
8:42 - Drivetrain architecture.
12:46 - 70 Kilograms of Hydrogen. MPK (Miles Per Kilogram).
15:09 - What's the range?
15:44 - How does Hydrogen power the truck?
17:49 - EV Mode.
19:27 - "Backpack style" hydrogen tank design.
23:01 - European perspective on the truck.
26:27 - Thoughts on Tesla Semi & Decarbonizing the trucking industry.
27:52 - New designs & new innovations.
31:21 - Refueling?
37:33 - Working on infrastructure with Volterra.
39:02 - Decarbonizing - Who's making the hydrogen?
43:22 - Feedback from drivers.
46:15 - Cab environment & suspension.
49:07 - Feedback from fleet owners.
52:39 - Comparing fuel prices.
54:39 - Full battery electric version.
57:29 - Solid State Batteries.
01:00:28 - Cooling system.
01:03:38 - Road to autonomy.
01:07:02 - Product line & Origin Story.
01:10:26 - Where are they built?
01:15:01 - Nikola's customers.
01:17:45 - Christian's background.
01:23:00 - Chinese market.
01:25:05 - "This is really a unique time in history."
01:28:03 - The Software Defined Revolution.
01:34:55 - Christian's personal fleet.
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Nov 2, 2023 • 1h 29min
e-Bikes with CAKE’s Chief Growth Officer Eric Asmussen
Is it CAKE!? Yes... If by CAKE you mean e-Bikes or Electric Motorcycles. MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with CAKE's Chief Growth Officer - Eric Asmussen! Eric dives into the many advantages & use cases of e-Bikes & Electric Motorcycles, CAKE's mission to grow the brand & e-Bike space, their various models, and more! Learn more at RideCAKE.com!
2:22 - "Light, Quiet, & Clean".
5:40 - Kalk - CAKE's off-road electric motorcycle.
6:32 - Sustainability = re:CAKE.
7:09 - Less parts, lighter weight.
15:01 - Advantages of Electric Motorcycles over Gas Motorcycles.
18:37 - "Friendlier than a motorcycle."
21:16 - Osa - CAKE's workbench on wheels.
22:49 - Range, Speed, & Charging.
25:19 - Pricing.
26:02 - Adjustable speed & regen.
27:17 - Comparing CAKES - Makka, Osa, & Aik models.
31:42 - Security = App locks, battery locks, & 3 kill switches.
33:23 - Operation.
34:34 - CAKE's Anti-Poaching Initiative in Africa.
37:50 - Cold weather considerations.
40:41 - Charging infrastructure for eBikes?
42:46 - Battery swapping?
46:21 - Riding from New York to Los Angeles!
48:42 - Accessories!
51:48 - Reliability & Delivery use cases.
55:21 - Jonny's 0 MPH crash.
01:03:08 - New generation.
01:06:13 - Green spaces & urbanization.
01:07:55 - Saving space & time.
01:10:27 - Growth.
01:14:40 - Military applications?
01:18:01 - More use cases.
01:22:27 - Available for purchase online at RideCAKE.com
01:24:10 - Osa = Carpenter.
01:26:51 - Behind the name, "CAKE".
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Oct 26, 2023 • 42min
Synthetic Fuels with Porsche’s Karl Dums
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman are back with more from Rennsport Reunion 7 with Porsche's Senior Project Lead for eFuels, Karl Dums! The guys chat with Karl about Porsche's mission to create synthetic fuels! What are eFuels? And why should we pursue eFuels as an option?
0:12 - Today's topic - eFuels!
3:06 - Welcome Karl Dums!
4:58 - What are eFuels? How does it compare to gasoline?
7:15 - Carbon Neutral!
9:31 - Harnessing the winds of Patagonia.
15:50 - What about the CO2 footprint?
18:32 - Do eFuels work for all current fossil fuel applications?
21:01 - eFuels provide a decarbonizing solution for ALL existing vehicles - all 1.4 BILLION of them.
25:58 - Genesis of Porsche's eFuel mission.
27:31 - Timeline for eFuel rollout.
30:01 - Rapid timeline of development.
31:30 - Roadmap to reducing overall CO2 footprint.
35:45 - Vehicles running on eFuels at Rennsport.
37:05 - Want to learn more? Visit http://HIFGlobal.com
38:01 - Karl's involvement with the Carrera GT.
39:03 - Favorite cars at Rennsport.
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Oct 19, 2023 • 1h 41min
75 Years of Porsche at Rennsport Reunion 7 | Porsche + Michelin’s EV Racing Mission
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman take the show on the road to Porsche Rennsport Reunion 7 at WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca - celebrating the 75th Anniversary of Porsche! FIRST, the guys chat with Porsche's GT4 e-Performance Tour Project Manager - Oliver Schwab - AND Michelin's North American Director of Motorsports - Jason Anzalone - about their mission to develop the electric future of customer racing! NEXT, the guys chat with Michelin's Original Equipment Product Category Manager - Ed Gliss - about what it takes to be a test driver, and how Michelin is staying ahead of the EV curve.
0:12 - Guest introductions
5:15 - Oliver's reaction to Rennsport Reunion 7.
8:17 - Focus of the event for Michelin.
9:32 - Porsche e-Performance.
12:41 - Porsche Mission R.
15:25 - Comparing Mission R & GT4 e.
18:16 - Test lab for electric customer racing.
21:01 - 63% sustainable tires.
22:07 - Race tires vs street tires.
23:52 - Low rolling resistance tires.
25:46 - How interested are customers in EV racing?
29:08 - Fast Charging for EV racing.
36:06 - How does Michelin approach the EV customer?
37:49 - Process of developing a tire for a specific car.
40:39 - Kids in a candy factory!
43:17 - Porsche & California.
46:27 - Looking into the future.
52:04 - Michelin's Ed Gliss!
52:18 - Ed's thoughts on Rennsport Reunion 7.
55:22 - What does the general consumer NEED to know about tires?
56:59 - Mission for Laguna Seca.
58:23 - Ed's Test Driver background.
59:52 - Tire sidewall markings.
01:03:43 - Competitive analysis of tires.
01:04:21 - The biggest issue with cheap tires.
01:05:44 - Reference vehicles for testing.
01:07:33 - Developing tires for a specific car.
01:08:15 - Over 100 tunable components in a tire.
01:14:11 - Life of a Test Driver.
01:21:57 - How to become a Test Driver.
01:32:06 - His role in Product Marketing.
01:33:20 - EV tires.
01:35:57 - How tires affect range/gas mileage.
01:38:19 - What are you excited to see at Rennsport Reunion?
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Oct 12, 2023 • 2h
Kia’s Steve Kosowski on the Charging Alliance, EV6 GT, EV9 SUV, & Future Outlook of the EV Market
Kia's Long Range Strategy & Planning Manager, Steve Kosowski, discusses the Charging Alliance, EV6 GT, EV9 SUV, Solid State Batteries, hydrogen power, Kia's Carbon Neutral mission, current challenges, and the future outlook for the EV Market. Topics include: Charging Alliance's plan for 30,000 Ultra High Speed DC Chargers by 2030, Kia's EV6 and EV6 GT design and features, benchmarks for EV6 GT, exploring the Kia EV9 SUV, future of batteries in EVs, advantages of Solid State Batteries, impact of gas prices on car buying, and the mission to go Carbon Neutral.

Oct 5, 2023 • 1h 39min
Air Taxis & Electric Aerial Ridesharing with Joby Aviation’s Oliver Walker-Jones!
Oliver Walker-Jones from Joby Aviation talks about the future of air taxis and electric aerial ridesharing. They discuss the concept of eVTOLs, weight capacity, flying speed, safety features, partnerships with Uber and Delta, pricing, pilot controls, and the hurdles to mass adoption. They also touch on Toyota's partnership, the founder of Joby Aviation, and the potential of the air taxi industry. Joby Aviation plans to launch their services in 2025.

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Sep 28, 2023 • 1h 27min
The future of Software Defined Vehicles (SDVs) with Ford’s Doug Field
Ford's Chief Advanced Product Development & Technology Officer, Doug Field, discusses Software Defined Vehicles (SDVs), over-the-air updates, the impact of software in automotive manufacturing, the roadmap to full autonomy, the importance of recruiting tech talent, and the future capabilities of Ford vehicles.

Sep 21, 2023 • 1h 10min
Ford CEO Jim Farley talks Ford Mustang GTD, Adopting Tesla’s Charging Standard, & Splitting the Company
MotorTrend's Ed Loh & Jonny Lieberman chat with Ford CEO Jim Farley! The guys discuss the all-new Ford Mustang GTD supercar, Ford adopting Tesla's Charging Standard, the decision behind splitting into "Ford Blue" & "Ford Model e", making EVs vs ICE vehicles, what he learned on his road trip in a Ford Lightning, battery production, the future of SDVs, autonomy with BlueCruise, the EV price war with China, and more!
0:42 - Guest introduction & more about the day of recording.
4:49 - Ford Mustang GTD!
10:35 - Prototype Inboard Suspension & DRS System.
15:00 - The wing!
17:54 - Decision behind the name "Mustang GTD".
19:40 - Adopting Tesla's Charging Standard.
26:58 - Decision behind the split into "Ford Blue" & "Ford Model e".
29:20 - Making EVs vs ICE vehicles.
34:19 - Jim's road trip in the Ford Lightning.
35:37 - Tripling Ford Lightning Production.
38:00 - Other lessons he learned on the road trip.
43:15 - The future of Software Defined Vehicles (SDVs).
44:19 - Predictive Failure Components using AI.
44:52 - Autonomy with BlueCruise.
45:28 - Subscription vs Usage cost for BlueCruise.
47:48 - Software subscriptions.
49:48 - Selling the customer on SDVs.
55:20 - How is mass adoption of EVs going?
01:03:01 - EV price war with China.
01:04:27 - Predictable cycle in technology change.
01:05:48 - Predicting the Gas-powered car ban in 2035.
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