

Public Defenseless
Hunter Parnell
Anyone paying attention can tell you that our criminal legal system is perpetuating cruelty and harm, but the complexity of the legal world overwhelms most people simply trying to get through another day.
Public Defenseless explores the rot in the justice system and what we can do about it. Join host, Hunter Parnell, as he interviews top defense attorneys and criminal justice stakeholders from across the country as they pull apart the convoluted web of our criminal justice system.
Like so many of you, Hunter is not an attorney, simply tired of a news cycle and talking heads that offer no real solutions to the ever-growing list of problems we face. Hunter hopes that with this information, you will share his belief that ordinary people still can make a difference.
Public Defenseless explores the rot in the justice system and what we can do about it. Join host, Hunter Parnell, as he interviews top defense attorneys and criminal justice stakeholders from across the country as they pull apart the convoluted web of our criminal justice system.
Like so many of you, Hunter is not an attorney, simply tired of a news cycle and talking heads that offer no real solutions to the ever-growing list of problems we face. Hunter hopes that with this information, you will share his belief that ordinary people still can make a difference.
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Mar 21, 2024 • 1h 8min
219: The Future Looks Bright for New Jersey Public Defense w/Jennifer Sellitti
Today, Hunter is joined by the newest Chief Public Defender of the State of New Jersey, Jennifer Sellitti. Drawing on her background in public relations, Jennifer has exciting plans for the future of Public Defense in the state. As the new leader, Jennifer hopes she will be able to capitalize on a legislature and governor that appear eager to continue reimagining what a criminal legal system can and should look like. Guests: Jennifer Sellitti, The Public Defender, New Jersey Office of the Public Defender Resources: Follow Jennifer on Twitter https://twitter.com/j_sellitti?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor N.J.'s 1,200 public defenders have a new leader. You'll be hearing from her, she promises. https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/02/njs-1200-public-defenders-have-a-new-leader-youll-be-hearing-from-her-she-promises.html New Jersey Office of the Public Defender https://www.nj.gov/defender/ https://twitter.com/opd_nj?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor https://www.facebook.com/njopd/ Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN

Mar 19, 2024 • 54min
218: The Cuyahoga County Youth Public Defenders Want More Cases, So Why Aren't They Getting Them? w/Nikki Baszynski
Today, Hunter is once again joined by an amazing former Public Defender from the Wren Collective to discuss their report about youth representation in Cuyahoga County Ohio. Nikki Baszynski joins Hunter today to talk about, perhaps for the first time on the shoe, a Public Defender office that feels they don't have enough cases! Unlike most of the major metropolitan areas in Ohio, juvenile public defense is largely provided by contract counsel and not the Public Defender office. Unfortunately, this is happening despite evidence that the Public Defender office is consistently getting better outcomes for their clients and doing so at a cheaper cost to the county. Guests: Nikki Baszyinski, Principal and Former Public Defender, The Wren Collective Resources: Wren Collective Report on Cuyahoga County https://www.wrencollective.org/_files/ugd/8fe8f0_1079cdb763ae4fd4b86cffa5a5f3631e.pdf Reporting from Signal https://signalcleveland.org/every-child-accused-of-a-crime-has-a-right-to-an-attorney-is-cuyahoga-county-providing-the-best-possible-representation/ https://signalcleveland.org/how-cuyahoga-county-picks-attorneys-to-represent-children-accused-of-crimes/ Follow the Wren Collective on Twitter https://twitter.com/wrencollective Ohio Public Defender Commission https://opd.ohio.gov/ Listen to the Comitte Meeting Here! https://opd.ohio.gov/about-opd/commission/commission-meetings Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN

Mar 14, 2024 • 1h 24min
217: Securing Life over Death in the Aurora Theater Shooting Case w/Doug Wilson
Today, Hunter sat down once again with the former Chief Public Defender of Colorado, Doug Wilson. This time, Doug and Hunter discuss the Aurora Theater Shooting case. Just like the episode about the Parkland shooting, today's episode is designed to help people understand how such a heinous crime could end in a life over death sentence. In examining these cases, hopefully people can understand the power of mitigating evidence and a well- funded criminal defense team can have on a criminal case. Guests: Doug Wilson, Former Chief Public Defender of the State of Colorado Resources: THE "EVIL" DEFENDANT AND THE "HOLDOUT" JUROR: UNPACKING THE MYTHS OF THE AURORA THEATER SHOOTING CASE AS WE PONDER THE FUTURE OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IN COLORADO https://www.coloradodefenders.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Nelson-FINAL-1.pdf Aurora theater shooting trial: DA George Brauchler scolded over tweet https://sentinelcolorado.com/metro/theater-shooting-trial-da-brauchler-scolded-tweet/ A Record 9,000 People Were Called For Jury Duty In The Aurora Theater Shooting Trial https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-record-9000-people-were-called-for-jury-duty-in-the-aurora-theater-shooting-trial/ Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN

Mar 12, 2024 • 1h 7min
216: How a Holistic Defense Team Filled Critical Gaps in D.C.'s Youth Legal System w/Penelope Spain
While working as with the DC Public Defender Services, today's guest realized there was a critical lack of attorneys assisting youth after they had been sentenced. Today, Hunter spoke with Penelope Spain, CEO and Co-Founder of Open City Advocates, to discuss how her organization hopes to keep kids from falling through the cracks simply because they do not have an attorney post-conviction. Guests: Penelope Spain, CEO and Co-Founder, Open City Advocates Resources: Open City Advocates on Website https://www.opencityadvocates.org/ Twitter https://twitter.com/opencityadv?lang=en Facebook https://www.facebook.com/opencityadvocates/ Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN

Mar 7, 2024 • 1h 10min
215: As States Criminalize LGBTQ+ People, How can Lawyers Fight Back? w/Richard Saenz
In just this past year, there have been over 400 anti-LGBTQ+ bills proposed in state houses around the country. Many have no hope of passing, but some will end up creating new was to criminalize and ostracize already vulnerable members of the LGBTQ+ community. Joining Hunter today to talk about these laws and their impacts is Richard Saenz from Lambda Legal. Throughout this conversation, Richard and Hunter explore the many ways our legal system disregards the unique needs of LGBTQ+ folks being processed through it. Most importantly though, Richard lays out key ways that the legal community can help to stop the legal onslaught against the LGBTQ+ community. Guests: Richard Saenz, Senior Attorney and Criminal Legal System Strategist, Lambda Legal Resources: Lambda Legal https://lambdalegal.org/ Protected and Served https://www.protectedandserved.org/?_gl=1*70e392*_ga*OTE2Njg3ODAxLjE3MDk0MDYyNzY.*_ga_290ZG8GMP3*MTcwOTQwNjI3Ni4xLjEuMTcwOTQwNjQ2NS40NC4wLjA. Sam Alito Statement https://newrepublic.com/post/179149/supreme-court-samuel-alito-traditional-people-bigots-lgbtq Lambda Legal Social Media https://twitter.com/lambdalegal?lang=en https://www.instagram.com/lambdalegal/?hl=en https://www.facebook.com/lambdalegal/ Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN

Mar 5, 2024 • 1h 8min
214: Even if You're Found Not Guilty, Iowa Makes You Pay for the Full Cost of Your Public Defender w/Alex Kornya
"If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided to you at no cost." Ask the average American, and they will tell you that Public Defenders are free…. Unless of course you live in most states where they charge you something for getting a Public Defender. If you live in Iowa, this means you could pay up to the entire cost of your representation even if you are found not guilty or the charges are dropped. Joining Hunter today is Alex Kornya from Iowa Legal Aid to discuss the history, legality, and future of the fines and fees trapping thousands of Iowans in perpetual debt. Guests: Alex Kornya, Litigation Director and General Counsel, Iowa Legal Aid Resources: Marshall Project Reporting https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/02/12/miranda-rights-indigent-defense-iowa Iowa Legal Aid https://www.iowalegalaid.org/ Cases Woodbury County v Anderson https://casetext.com/case/woodbury-county-v-anderson James v Strange https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/407/128/ Fuller v Oregon https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/417/40/ State v Dudley https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5914b1a4add7b0493475ab37 Bearden v Georgia https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/461/660/ Fines and Fees Justice Center https://finesandfeesjusticecenter.org/ Email Alex akornya@iowalaw.org Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN

Feb 29, 2024 • 1h 8min
213: How Anecdotes and Fear are Driving Maryland to Undo the Juvenile Justice Reform Act w/Natasha Dartigue and Alycia Capozello
After being rated as one of the worst places in the country for their youth legal system, Maryland law makers decided to implement an overhaul of said system. After two years of study and advocacy, the state was guilted into action. Now, after less than 18 months in effect, police and prosecutors have convinced law makers into chipping away at the reforms. Today, Hunter is joined once again by the Public Defender of Maryland, Natasha Dartigue, and by Deputy District Public Defender for Baltimore City, Alycia Capozello, to discuss the anecdotes and fear driving legislators towards bad criminal legal policy. Guests: Natasha Dartigue, The Public Defender of the State of Maryland Alycia Capozello, Deputy District Public Defender, Baltimore City, MD Resources: Maryland before the JJRA https://www.baltimoresun.com/2020/12/21/maryland-among-the-worst-in-protecting-kids-in-the-justice-system-commentary/ https://humanrightsforkids.org/wp-content/uploads/State-Ratings-Report_2020.pdf https://southernmarylandchronicle.com/2022/07/09/report-reveals-claims-of-youth-crime-wave-unfounded/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/in-maryland-many-juvenile-offenders-languish-in-prison-without-parole JJRA Report https://djs.maryland.gov/Pages/Juvenile-Justice-Reform-Council.aspx Child Interrogation Protection Act https://www.baltimoresun.com/2024/01/16/lawmakers-seek-to-preserve-child-interrogation-protection-act-despite-criticism/#:~:text=Passed%20in%202022%2C%20the%20Child,they%20are%20taken%20into%20custody. https://www.wypr.org/wypr-news/2024-01-18/maryland-black-lawmakers-want-no-changes-to-child-interrogation-protection-act https://www.aclu-md.org/en/press-releases/child-interrogation-protection-act-goes-effect-saturday Current Talks About JJRA https://www.wboc.com/news/growing-calls-for-maryland-to-repeal-controversial-youth-crime-law/article_5d8d7ffe-6889-11ee-b7b3-afd7f826e5d0.html https://www.marylandmatters.org/2024/02/02/juvenile-justice-reform-bill-proposes-tweaks-to-the-system/ Office of the State Public Defender Maryland https://opd.state.md.us/ Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN

Feb 28, 2024 • 1h 23min
212: How Three L.A. Public Defenders Hope to Change the Legal System by Becoming Judges w/Ericka Wiley, George Turner, and Kim Repecka
If you've listened to the show long enough, then you know Hunter has consistently advocated for more public defenders to become judges. With their insight into the legal system, communities can stand to gain so much by having a bench with more diverse job experience. Today, Hunter is joined by three L.A. public defenders who are all running for Superior Court Judgeships in Los Angeles County. Ericka Wiley, George Turner, and Kim Repecka know that their careers as public defenders make them uniquely qualified to serve as judges and ensure justice, fairness, and compassion for every person who might stand before them. Guests: Ericka Wiley, Public Defender and Candidate for Superior Court Judge Seat 48, Los Angeles George Turner, Public Defender and Candidate for Superior Court Judge Seat 39, Los Angeles Kim Repecka, Public Defender and Candidate for Superior Court Judge Seat 124, Los Angeles Resources: Ericka Wiley Contact https://wileyforjudge.com/ https://www.facebook.com/people/Ericka-Wiley-For-Judge-2024/61553248058723/ https://www.instagram.com/wiley4judge/ https://www.tiktok.com/@erickawileyforjudge2024 George Turner Contact https://georgeaturner4judge.com/ GeorgeTurner4Judge@gmail.com https://www.instagram.com/turner4judge/ Kim Repecka Contact https://kimrepeckaforjudge.com/ https://www.instagram.com/kimrepeckaforjudge/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=0b2d1af0-961f-4311-8352-530c5589f562 Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN

Feb 27, 2024 • 1h 10min
211: The Danger Imperative: Violence, Death, and the Soul of Policing w/Michael Sierra-Arévalo
Why is it that even the most well intentioned, well thought out reforms for policing fail? At the heart of policing is a culture that teaches police to see threats around every corner. Today, Hunter sat down with sociology professor, Michael Sierra-Arévalo, to discuss his newest book The Danger Imperative: Violence, Death, and the Soul of Policing to try and understand all that contributes to that culture and how it impacts police practices. Guests: Michael Sierra-Arévalo, Professor of Sociology, University of Texas-Austin Resources: Get your copy of Michael's Book here: https://cup.columbia.edu/book/the-danger-imperative/9780231198479 Killology https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/warrior-cop-class-dave-grossman-killology.html Michael's Contacts https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/sociology/faculty/ms39643 https://www.sierraarevalo.com/ Tony Cheng Policing Machine https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo208342229.html Samantha Simon Before the Badge https://www.amazon.com/Before-Badge-Academy-Training-Violence/dp/1479813273 Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN

Feb 22, 2024 • 1h 15min
210: The Copaganda Fueling the Retail Theft Crisis that Never Was w/Brad Haywood
Today, Hunter is once again joined by Arlington, VA Chief Public Defender Brad Haywood. This time, Brad joins the show to dig into the ways copaganda has negatively impacted criminal legal reforms in Virginia. Specifically, we discuss the ways false media outrage about organized retail theft and the century old war on drug rhetoric have shaped Virginia's discourse on criminal legal policy. Guests: Brad Haywood, Chief Public Defender, Arlington and City of Falls Chruch, Virginia Resources: Retail Theft Coverage https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/07/retail-theft-losses-inventory-nrf https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/02/27/shoplifting-retail-theft-lawmakers-response https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/19/target-store-closures-theft-and-crime-higher-nearby.html#:~:text=Retail-,Target%20blamed%20theft%20and%20violence%20for%209%20store%20closures.,locations%20it%20kept%20open%20nearby&text=Target%20blamed%20theft%20and%20violence%20when%20it%20closed%20nine%20stores,kept%20open%20near%20those%20stores https://sentinelcolorado.com/opinion/editorial-auroras-shoplifter-jail-crusade-is-a-mirage-of-honesty-credibility-and-facts/ Fentanyl Terorism Law https://virginiamercury.com/2023/07/21/states-stiffen-penalties-for-fentanyl-despite-public-health-concerns/#:~:text=Va.,to%20ten%20years%20in%20jail Radley Balko on Jason Miyares https://radleybalko.substack.com/p/virginias-culture-warrior-attorney Contact Hunter Parnell: Publicdefenseless@gmail.com Instagram @PublicDefenselessPodcast Twitter @PDefenselessPod www.publicdefenseless.com Subscribe to the Patron www.patreon.com/PublicDefenselessPodcast Donate on PayPal https://www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=5KW7WMJWEXTAJ Donate on Stripe https://donate.stripe.com/7sI01tb2v3dwaM8cMN


