

Some Dare Call It Conspiracy
Some Dare Call It Conspiracy
Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an investigative podcast examining conspiracy culture from the inside out.Hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, the show explores how conspiracy narratives form, how they spread, and why they are so effective at capturing attention and loyalty. Both hosts spent years immersed in conspiracy belief before walking away, giving them first-hand insight into how these movements operate, evolve, and entrench themselves.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, expert voices, and a distinctly British sense of humour, the podcast combines serious analysis with sharp, often self-deprecating commentary. The focus is on systems, incentives, and influence, rather than punching down at ordinary people caught up in belief.The show is best known for its long-form Deep Dives into specific conspiracy narratives, commentary on conspiracy influencers and alternative media ecosystems, and interviews with journalists, researchers, and insiders working in this space.Conspiracy thinking is no longer fringe. It shapes politics, public health, and personal relationships. This podcast exists to help listeners understand that landscape with clarity, context, and a sense of proportion.---About the HostsBrent Lee is a writer, producer, and former conspiracy activist whose decision to leave the movement, and to speak openly about that process, attracted widespread media attention. On the podcast, Brent focuses on production, creative direction, and analysis grounded in lived experience.Neil Sanders is a writer and researcher who was once regarded as a respected figure within the conspiracy world. Before leaving, he authored books on mind control and MKULTRA-related narratives and hosted his own programme on David Icke’s Ickonic network. Neil now leads on research and analysis for the show.Together, they bring an insider’s understanding, investigative rigour, and a refusal to take grift seriously, even when the subject matter is heavy.---Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyYouTube: https://youtube.com/@somedarecallitconspiracyContact: somedarecallitconspiracy@gmail.comBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.
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Jan 30, 2026 • 1h 55min
Commentary • The Razzle Stack Part Deux (3/3)
Well, well, well, initiates... we know some of you are still hungry after binging all 13 parts of our Satanic Illuminati Music Industry series.. available now on Patreon! So we have cooked up a whole new dish for you.. The Razzle Stack: Part Deux, The Unrazzleingment. It's another three parter, continuing the dramas that unfolded in the first Razzle Stack. It's just another fabulous excuse to rip into Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson and the whole pile of c***s. Episodes will come out weekly.. this is episode 3/3 - Enjoy!By the way.. we have also relaunched our website. Please check it out, give it a share and recommend us to your friends and family! www.somedarecallitconspiracy.com Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an award-winning podcast that examines conspiracy theories, misinformation, and moral panics — not from the outside, but from the inside.The show is co-created and hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, both former insiders in the conspiracy world who spent years immersed in conspiracy belief, alternative media, and grassroots activism before walking away. Their experience gives them first-hand insight into how conspiracy narratives are built, why they feel so convincing, and why leaving those communities can be difficult.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, and expert interviews — alongside a distinctly British sense of humour — the podcast breaks down conspiracy culture with clarity and bite. Episodes vary in format, but all focus on who benefits when misinformation spreads, how harm is done, and how bad ideas gain influence.The result is a show that is sceptical without being smug, serious about real-world consequences without losing its edge, and unafraid to call out grift and power where it thrives.Join us to discover where the truth… lies.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook

Jan 26, 2026 • 58min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (7/13)
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, a long-running narrative that claims popular music is controlled by secret elites using occult rituals, mind control, and hidden symbolism to manipulate artists and audiences.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we trace where this theory comes from and why it continues to feel persuasive. We explore how older myths, moral panics, and recycled ideas are repackaged for new audiences, and how celebrity culture and alternative media ecosystems help keep the story alive.This series is sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media, including an interview on Ickonic that alleges secret rituals, MKULTRA-style programming, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Rather than accepting these stories at face value, we use them as a starting point to examine the evidence that is claimed, the evidence that is missing, and how vague anecdotes are often mistaken for proof.Over the course of thirteen episodes, we examine the origins of the myth, the figures who popularised it, the cultural references used as evidence, and the internal contradictions that cause the narrative to collapse under scrutiny.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an award-winning podcast that examines conspiracy theories, misinformation, and moral panics — not from the outside, but from the inside.The show is co-created and hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, both former insiders in the conspiracy world who spent years immersed in conspiracy belief, alternative media, and grassroots activism before walking away. Their experience gives them first-hand insight into how conspiracy narratives are built, why they feel so convincing, and why leaving those communities can be difficult.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, and expert interviews — alongside a distinctly British sense of humour — the podcast breaks down conspiracy culture with clarity and bite. Episodes vary in format, but all focus on who benefits when misinformation spreads, how harm is done, and how bad ideas gain influence.The result is a show that is sceptical without being smug, serious about real-world consequences without losing its edge, and unafraid to call out grift and power where it thrives.Join us to discover where the truth… lies.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook

Jan 23, 2026 • 1h 50min
Commentary • The Razzle Stack Part Deux (2/3)
Well, well, well, initiates... we know some of you are still hungry after binging all 13 parts of our Satanic Illuminati Music Industry series.. available now on Patreon! So we have cooked up a whole new dish for you.. The Razzle Stack: Part Deux, The Unrazzleingment. It's another three parter, continuing the dramas that unfolded in the first Razzle Stack. It's just another fabulous excuse to rip into Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson and the whole pile of c***s. Episodes will come out weekly.. this is episode 2/3 - Enjoy!By the way.. we have also relaunched our website. Please check it out, give it a share and recommend us to your friends and family! www.somedarecallitconspiracy.com Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an award-winning podcast that examines conspiracy theories, misinformation, and moral panics — not from the outside, but from the inside.The show is co-created and hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, both former insiders in the conspiracy world who spent years immersed in conspiracy belief, alternative media, and grassroots activism before walking away. Their experience gives them first-hand insight into how conspiracy narratives are built, why they feel so convincing, and why leaving those communities can be difficult.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, and expert interviews — alongside a distinctly British sense of humour — the podcast breaks down conspiracy culture with clarity and bite. Episodes vary in format, but all focus on who benefits when misinformation spreads, how harm is done, and how bad ideas gain influence.The result is a show that is sceptical without being smug, serious about real-world consequences without losing its edge, and unafraid to call out grift and power where it thrives.Join us to discover where the truth… lies.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook

Jan 19, 2026 • 58min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (6/13)
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, a long-running narrative that claims popular music is controlled by secret elites using occult rituals, mind control, and hidden symbolism to manipulate artists and audiences.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we trace where this theory comes from and why it continues to feel persuasive. We explore how older myths, moral panics, and recycled ideas are repackaged for new audiences, and how celebrity culture and alternative media ecosystems help keep the story alive.This series is sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media, including an interview on Ickonic that alleges secret rituals, MKULTRA-style programming, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Rather than accepting these stories at face value, we use them as a starting point to examine the evidence that is claimed, the evidence that is missing, and how vague anecdotes are often mistaken for proof.Over the course of thirteen episodes, we examine the origins of the myth, the figures who popularised it, the cultural references used as evidence, and the internal contradictions that cause the narrative to collapse under scrutiny.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an award-winning podcast that examines conspiracy theories, misinformation, and moral panics — not from the outside, but from the inside.The show is co-created and hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, both former insiders in the conspiracy world who spent years immersed in conspiracy belief, alternative media, and grassroots activism before walking away. Their experience gives them first-hand insight into how conspiracy narratives are built, why they feel so convincing, and why leaving those communities can be difficult.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, and expert interviews — alongside a distinctly British sense of humour — the podcast breaks down conspiracy culture with clarity and bite. Episodes vary in format, but all focus on who benefits when misinformation spreads, how harm is done, and how bad ideas gain influence.The result is a show that is sceptical without being smug, serious about real-world consequences without losing its edge, and unafraid to call out grift and power where it thrives.Join us to discover where the truth… lies.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook

Jan 16, 2026 • 1h 59min
Commentary • The Razzle Stack Part Deux (1/3)
Well, well, well, initiates... we know some of you are still hungry after binging all 13 parts of our Satanic Illuminati Music Industry series.. available now on Patreon! So we have cooked up a whole new dish for you.. The Razzle Stack: Part Deux, The Unrazzleingment. It's another three parter, continuing the dramas that unfolded in the first Razzle Stack. It's just another fabulous excuse to rip into Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson and the whole pile of c***s. Episodes will come out weekly.. this is episode 1/3 - Enjoy!By the way.. we have also relaunched our website. Please check it out, give it a share and recommend us to your friends and family! www.somedarecallitconspiracy.com Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an award-winning podcast that examines conspiracy theories, misinformation, and moral panics — not from the outside, but from the inside.The show is co-created and hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, both former insiders in the conspiracy world who spent years immersed in conspiracy belief, alternative media, and grassroots activism before walking away. Their experience gives them first-hand insight into how conspiracy narratives are built, why they feel so convincing, and why leaving those communities can be difficult.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, and expert interviews — alongside a distinctly British sense of humour — the podcast breaks down conspiracy culture with clarity and bite. Episodes vary in format, but all focus on who benefits when misinformation spreads, how harm is done, and how bad ideas gain influence.The result is a show that is sceptical without being smug, serious about real-world consequences without losing its edge, and unafraid to call out grift and power where it thrives.Join us to discover where the truth… lies.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook

Jan 12, 2026 • 54min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (5/13)
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, a long-running narrative that claims popular music is controlled by secret elites using occult rituals, mind control, and hidden symbolism to manipulate artists and audiences.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we trace where this theory comes from and why it continues to feel persuasive. We explore how older myths, moral panics, and recycled ideas are repackaged for new audiences, and how celebrity culture and alternative media ecosystems help keep the story alive.This series is sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media, including an interview on Ickonic that alleges secret rituals, MKULTRA-style programming, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Rather than accepting these stories at face value, we use them as a starting point to examine the evidence that is claimed, the evidence that is missing, and how vague anecdotes are often mistaken for proof.Over the course of thirteen episodes, we examine the origins of the myth, the figures who popularised it, the cultural references used as evidence, and the internal contradictions that cause the narrative to collapse under scrutiny.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an award-winning podcast that examines conspiracy theories, misinformation, and moral panics — not from the outside, but from the inside.The show is co-created and hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, both former insiders in the conspiracy world who spent years immersed in conspiracy belief, alternative media, and grassroots activism before walking away. Their experience gives them first-hand insight into how conspiracy narratives are built, why they feel so convincing, and why leaving those communities can be difficult.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, and expert interviews — alongside a distinctly British sense of humour — the podcast breaks down conspiracy culture with clarity and bite. Episodes vary in format, but all focus on who benefits when misinformation spreads, how harm is done, and how bad ideas gain influence.The result is a show that is sceptical without being smug, serious about real-world consequences without losing its edge, and unafraid to call out grift and power where it thrives.Join us to discover where the truth… lies.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook

Jan 5, 2026 • 47min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (4/13)
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, a long-running narrative that claims popular music is controlled by secret elites using occult rituals, mind control, and hidden symbolism to manipulate artists and audiences.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we trace where this theory comes from and why it continues to feel persuasive. We explore how older myths, moral panics, and recycled ideas are repackaged for new audiences, and how celebrity culture and alternative media ecosystems help keep the story alive.This series is sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media, including an interview on Ickonic that alleges secret rituals, MKULTRA-style programming, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Rather than accepting these stories at face value, we use them as a starting point to examine the evidence that is claimed, the evidence that is missing, and how vague anecdotes are often mistaken for proof.Over the course of thirteen episodes, we examine the origins of the myth, the figures who popularised it, the cultural references used as evidence, and the internal contradictions that cause the narrative to collapse under scrutiny.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an award-winning podcast that examines conspiracy theories, misinformation, and moral panics — not from the outside, but from the inside.The show is co-created and hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, both former insiders in the conspiracy world who spent years immersed in conspiracy belief, alternative media, and grassroots activism before walking away. Their experience gives them first-hand insight into how conspiracy narratives are built, why they feel so convincing, and why leaving those communities can be difficult.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, and expert interviews — alongside a distinctly British sense of humour — the podcast breaks down conspiracy culture with clarity and bite. Episodes vary in format, but all focus on who benefits when misinformation spreads, how harm is done, and how bad ideas gain influence.The result is a show that is sceptical without being smug, serious about real-world consequences without losing its edge, and unafraid to call out grift and power where it thrives.Join us to discover where the truth… lies.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook

Dec 29, 2025 • 1h 8min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (3/13)
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, a long-running narrative that claims popular music is controlled by secret elites using occult rituals, mind control, and hidden symbolism to manipulate artists and audiences.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we trace where this theory comes from and why it continues to feel persuasive. We explore how older myths, moral panics, and recycled ideas are repackaged for new audiences, and how celebrity culture and alternative media ecosystems help keep the story alive.This series is sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media, including an interview on Ickonic that alleges secret rituals, MKULTRA-style programming, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Rather than accepting these stories at face value, we use them as a starting point to examine the evidence that is claimed, the evidence that is missing, and how vague anecdotes are often mistaken for proof.Over the course of thirteen episodes, we examine the origins of the myth, the figures who popularised it, the cultural references used as evidence, and the internal contradictions that cause the narrative to collapse under scrutiny.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an award-winning podcast that examines conspiracy theories, misinformation, and moral panics — not from the outside, but from the inside.The show is co-created and hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, both former insiders in the conspiracy world who spent years immersed in conspiracy belief, alternative media, and grassroots activism before walking away. Their experience gives them first-hand insight into how conspiracy narratives are built, why they feel so convincing, and why leaving those communities can be difficult.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, and expert interviews — alongside a distinctly British sense of humour — the podcast breaks down conspiracy culture with clarity and bite. Episodes vary in format, but all focus on who benefits when misinformation spreads, how harm is done, and how bad ideas gain influence.The result is a show that is sceptical without being smug, serious about real-world consequences without losing its edge, and unafraid to call out grift and power where it thrives.Join us to discover where the truth… lies.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook

Dec 22, 2025 • 52min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (2/13)
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we continue our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, a long-running narrative that claims popular music is controlled by secret elites using occult rituals, mind control, and hidden symbolism to manipulate artists and audiences.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we trace where this theory comes from and why it continues to feel persuasive. We explore how older myths, moral panics, and recycled ideas are repackaged for new audiences, and how celebrity culture and alternative media ecosystems help keep the story alive.This series is sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media, including an interview on Ickonic that alleges secret rituals, MKULTRA-style programming, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Rather than accepting these stories at face value, we use them as a starting point to examine the evidence that is claimed, the evidence that is missing, and how vague anecdotes are often mistaken for proof.Over the course of thirteen episodes, we examine the origins of the myth, the figures who popularised it, the cultural references used as evidence, and the internal contradictions that cause the narrative to collapse under scrutiny.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an award-winning podcast that examines conspiracy theories, misinformation, and moral panics — not from the outside, but from the inside.The show is co-created and hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, both former insiders in the conspiracy world who spent years immersed in conspiracy belief, alternative media, and grassroots activism before walking away. Their experience gives them first-hand insight into how conspiracy narratives are built, why they feel so convincing, and why leaving those communities can be difficult.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, and expert interviews — alongside a distinctly British sense of humour — the podcast breaks down conspiracy culture with clarity and bite. Episodes vary in format, but all focus on who benefits when misinformation spreads, how harm is done, and how bad ideas gain influence.The result is a show that is sceptical without being smug, serious about real-world consequences without losing its edge, and unafraid to call out grift and power where it thrives.Join us to discover where the truth… lies.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook

Dec 22, 2025 • 52min
Deep Dive • Satanic Illuminati Music Industry (1/13)
Hello Initiates, and welcome to Some Dare Call It Conspiracy. In this episode, we begin our Deep Dive into the Satanic Illuminati Music Industry conspiracy theory, examining how this narrative formed, why it feels convincing, and how it has managed to endure.This is a long-form investigative series sparked by a wave of claims circulating in alternative media about secret rituals, mind control, and Faustian bargains within the music industry. Using a high-profile Ickonic interview as a starting point, we examine how vague anecdotes, recycled myths, and cultural references are repeatedly presented as evidence, and how a sprawling narrative has grown around musicians, symbolism, and alleged occult control despite a consistent lack of substantiation.Drawing on lived experience, research, and careful analysis, we take the listener step by step through the claims, context, and cultural conditions that allow this conspiracy theory to thrive, before laying out where it collapses under scrutiny.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/some-dare-call-it-conspiracy--5932731/support.Some Dare Call It Conspiracy is an award-winning podcast that examines conspiracy theories, misinformation, and moral panics — not from the outside, but from the inside.The show is co-created and hosted by Brent Lee and Neil Sanders, both former insiders in the conspiracy world who spent years immersed in conspiracy belief, alternative media, and grassroots activism before walking away. Their experience gives them first-hand insight into how conspiracy narratives are built, why they feel so convincing, and why leaving those communities can be difficult.Drawing on lived experience, deep research, and expert interviews — alongside a distinctly British sense of humour — the podcast breaks down conspiracy culture with clarity and bite. Episodes vary in format, but all focus on who benefits when misinformation spreads, how harm is done, and how bad ideas gain influence.The result is a show that is sceptical without being smug, serious about real-world consequences without losing its edge, and unafraid to call out grift and power where it thrives.Join us to discover where the truth… lies.Website: https://www.somedarecallitconspiracy.comPatreon: https://www.patreon.com/somedarecallitconspiracyTwitter/X: https://x.com/somedarepodcastBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/somedarepodcast.bsky.socialInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/somedarecallitconspiracyFacebook: https://www.facebook


