Typology

Claire Diaz-Ortiz first discovered the Enneagram in 2005 and typed herself as an Enneagram One. When Ian first interviewed Claire in Season One, she came onto the show sharing her life through the lens of a One. But the more she and Ian dug into her narrative, the more Ian began to sense there was more to Claire's story. Ian suggested she consider reading up on Enneagram Threes...and she did. Today, Claire returns to reveal how her research into Enneagram Threes has had impacted her and helped her become "quiet enough to listen" so real, deep change can happen. Claire Diaz-Ortiz is an author, speaker and Silicon Valley innovator who was an early employee at Twitter. Named one of the 100 Most Creative People in Business by Fast Company, she holds an MBA and other degrees from Stanford and Oxford and has been featured widely in print and broadcast media. She writes a popular business blog at ClaireDiazOrtiz.com and is the award-winning author of eight books that have been published in more than a dozen countries. To learn more about Claire, visit www.clairediazortiz.com.

Enneagram Twos are called The Helpers. They are some of the most loving, kind, supportive, upbeat, and—when healthy—genuinely helpful to other people. Their underlying motivation is to feel loved and needed. But sometimes that need to be needed can lead to burn out. In this week's episode of Typology, we revisit our Panel of Twos who describe what it's like to view life through the eyes of The Helper. So, tune in and listen as the loud-laughing, contentedly uncool mom of three teenagers, Tia Coffey, Vanderbilt University fundraising specialist and stand-up comic, Geoff Little, and singer-songwriter-author, Andrew Greer join Ian to talk about finding the balance between giving enough and giving to the point of burn out.

Discovering the Enneagram was a game-changer for Rob. His knowledge and enthusiasm for the Enneagram runs deep, and as you'll discover while we revisit this episode, Rob is an Enneagram "7 with a 7 wing." Check out Rob's latest book, What Is the Bible?, and visit RobBell.com for speaking dates and other events.

This week we are revisiting Ian's interview with 'Science Mike' McHargue as he shares his journey through the inner sanctum of an Enneagram Nine and his process of building a healthy connection to anger. To preserve their inner peace and harmony, Nines often deny or simply don't even recognize their anger. Instead, they create an inner boundary to tamp down any feelings or desires that might disturb their calm inner sea. They also establish an external boundary to protect themselves from anything external that might cause inner tumult. This desire for inner and outer peace is so innate that Nines unconsciously absorb other people's emotional energy. Mike McHargue (better known as Science Mike) is an author, podcaster, and speaker who travels the world helping people understand the science of life's most profound experiences. His bestselling debut book, Finding God in the Waves, has helped thousands understand faith in the 21st century. Mike hosts Ask Science Mike, a weekly question and answer podcast helping hundreds of thousands explore the questions they've always been afraid to ask. He also co-hosts The Liturgists Podcast with his friend Michael Gungor. With over a million downloads per month, The Liturgists Podcast is reshaping how the spiritually homeless and frustrated relate to God. And his bestselling debut book, Finding God in the Waves, has helped thousands understand faith in the 21st century. To learn more about Science Mike, visit www.mikemchargue.com

For the month of July we will be revisiting some of Typology's most downloaded episodes. This week we revisit Ian's interview with Sarah Thebarge. Sarah shares how she approaches the world through the lens of an Enneagram Six. With a strong need for security and consistency, Sixes appreciate order, plans and rules and like the comfort and predictability of laws and guidelines. But their passion is fear, which is often experienced as anxiety. Anxiety is a vague, free-floating sense of apprehension that arises in response to an unknown or potential threat that may never materialize. So, how do Sixes achieve spiritual growth? A lot of Sixes think the answer is bravery, but there's never enough bravery to fill the bucket of "this is a scary world and I need support." In today's episode, Sarah Thebarge shares the difference between bravery and courage and how making that distinction has been helpful for her as an Enneagram Six. Sarah Thebarge is a speaker, blogger, journalist and author of The Invisible Girls, a memoir that weaves her story of nearly dying of breast cancer in her 20's together with the story of a Somali refugee family she met on a train in Portland, Oregon, as she was recovering from her cancer treatments.

Today we are revisiting Ian's interview with celebrated Author, Speaker Bob Goff and his wife Maria. Bob is an Enneagram 7 and Maria is a 9. And even though this episode provides a lot of insight into the worldview of a 7 and 9, the show today is really more about marriage and how two very distinct personality types can create a climate in which difference isn't merely tolerated, but rather is celebrated. Now, even if you're not married, you'll still love this episode because it paints a marvelous picture of how two very different Enneagram types, regardless of the kind of relationship they have forged, can come together to form a bond in which the two become more than the sum of their individual parts. It's a great model. Be sure and check out Bob's newest book, Everybody, Always: Becoming Love in a World Full of Setbacks and Difficult People, and Maria's book, Love Lives Here. Also, check out Dream Big Framework to learn about Bob's upcoming workshop.

As Richard Rohr says, Ones are childlike and full of joy and wonder at the world and creation. But for Ones, that sense of joy has been lost. Instead, they suppress their own feelings and focus on being good and doing what is right. They feel a sense of duty and responsibility and may harbor resentment toward others who don't see things the right way – their way. But what would it look like if Ones reclaimed their childlike wonder? When Ones move toward health, they begin to let judgments go and become more at ease with imperfection. They begin to truly quiet that inner critic and turn it into an inner encourager. Our guest today, Julianne Cusick, shares how her journey towards self-awareness and self-knowledge as an Enneagram One has allowed her to prioritize relationships over perfection and has given her permission to have fun dancing in the kitchen. Julianne Cusick is a licensed minister and registered psychotherapist whose passion is to fight for the hearts of women silenced by shame and fear related to their husband's sexual brokenness. Julianne is a 2nd-year graduate student for a Masters in Marriage and Family Therapy at Argosy University, Denver. She thrives on personal and professional growth. A dynamic and engaging communicator, Julianne speaks to Christian organizations, women's groups, and retreats – all from the voice of hope and her own story of healing and redemption. She is the mother of a high-schooler and young adult son, and enjoys gardening, reading, and spending time with family and friends.

Every single day I receive multiple emails from listeners saying they are stuck and can't figure out their Enneagram type. Usually, my first recommendation is to dive into the Subtypes of each number to see if that helps narrow things down. But there is something else to consider…something we have not yet talked about on Typology. Just as the Enneagram is broken into Triads, it is also broken into Stances--the Dependent Stance, the Withdrawing Stance, and the Aggressive Stance. So, if you're still conflicted, ask yourself which stance are you? Are you someone who is withdrawing? Are you someone who is assertive? Or are you someone who is dependent and more compliant? Because oftentimes when you're stuck between two or three types they can each feel very different--like they are in conflict with each other. And when those types don't fall into the same stance category then knowing your "default stance" can really help iron things out. On today's episode of Typology, Ashley Cleveland and I delve into the stances, right-sizing the personality and how surrender and acceptance are the gateways to everything. It's a great episode you won't want to miss. Since her debut on Atlantic Records in 1991, Ashley Cleveland has recorded 9 critically acclaimed albums. She has won three Grammys for Best Rock Gospel Album (Lesson of Love, 1995; You Are There, 1998; Before the Daylight's Shot, 2007). She was the first female to be nominated in that category and the only one to win the award three times. She has been nominated for six Dove awards and won twice for compilation records (Songs from the Loft: Praise and Worship Album of the year; The Jesus Record: Album of the Year). She received her fourth Grammy nomination in 2010 for her disc, God Don't Never Change, a collection of spirituals in the Best Traditional Gospel Album category. Three of her albums have been on Billboard's year-end best list (Big Town, Bus Named Desire, Men and Angels Say) and she has been nominated twice for a Nashville Music Award (Lesson Of Love, God Don't Never Change) winning for Lesson Of Love. She was named Female Vocalist of the year in 2007 by Christianity Today.net and, in addition to her own recordings, has contributed background vocals on over 300 records over the course of her career. Her 10th album, One More Song, is due for release late in 2017. Ashley is currently the subject of a new documentary from Big Branch productions expected to release in early 2018. The working title is: Who's The Girl?. Ashley is a writer/essayist and has written a memoir entitled "Little Black Sheep" which was released September 2013 by David C Cook Publishing and she is currently working on two new memoirs. Ashley is a native of Knoxville, Tennessee, and lives in Franklin, Tennessee with her husband Kenny Greenberg. She has three adult children, Rebecca, Henry and Lily. For more about Ashley, visit www.ashleycleveland.com.

Our guest today is an Enneagram professional, spiritual director, coach, facilitator, and author who is passionate about the Enneagram personality model and its value in Christian spiritual transformation. Her workshops and retreats focus on how the Enneagram helps people identify barriers to living out their unique expression and experience as one created in God's image. This show is packed with great information for those who know your Enneagram type and are interested in learning how to shift your attention and grow in self-awareness. Today, Marilyn Vancil talks about: the focus of attention for each type what to do when you realize you're locked into a habit of attention and how to break it, and how to know when it's time to wake up and develop a spiritual practice Marilyn earned her certification as an Enneagram Professional in the Narrative Tradition through Enneagram Worldwide, and has also taken courses on the Enneagram at Loyola University and the Deep Coaching Institute. She enjoys life in Seattle with her husband, Jeff. For more information about Marilyn, visit www.marilynvancil.com.

Eights are often called the Challengers, but I like to call them the Protectors or Defenders. Every type has a basic fear and desire coloring the waters of their personality. The basic fear of an Eight is being not in control of their self. The basic desire is to avoid feeling weak or vulnerable. But Eights can often be misinterpreted. Though they can often appear blunt and aggressive, Eights are truly about justice and looking out for their tribe and making sure others feel like they belong. Eights have lots of energy. They are high energy, movement people who like to see things get done. The downside of Eights might be that they are low on the vulnerability side of things. They only trust a small amount of people, and though it may take a lot to get in the trust circle, it doesn't take much for you to get out. It's very hard to get on the list, and then you just have to do one thing and you're off the list. But what does it look like when an Eight has done their work and views life through the healthy lens of an Eight? Listen in as Patrick Chappell discusses various triggers and how he approaches them from the lens of an Eight. Patrick is southern born and bred, having been born in Birmingham and raised in Chattanooga. Patrick earned his degree in Oral Communication and Public Relations from Lipscomb University. He then served as an Admissions Recruiter for the University, traveling the country to bring students to Nashville for a Christian education. He is currently the College and Young Adult Minister at Otter Creek Church in Brentwood, TN. Patrick is passionate about life, spending many hours reading, going to concerts, taking in movies and his favorite TV shows, as well as spending countless hours over coffee with friends. He's also a big fan of the band Weezer.