

ClassicalU Podcast
Jesse Hake
This podcast features the Director of ClassicalU.com, Jesse Hake, interviewing ClassicalU presenters and Live Learning Event hosts as well as occasional episodes featuring material directly from one of our ClassicalU presenters or guests.
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May 8, 2025 • 1h 1min
Episode 28: Spreading the Feast of a Classical Education: A Conversation with Russ Gregg
In this episode, Jesse Hake speaks with ClassicalU presenter Russ Gregg who co-founded Hope Academy and the Spreading Hope Network. Drawing on decades of work bringing classical Christian education to under-resourced urban communities, Gregg reflects on his transition from leading a single school to enabling the launch of over twenty schools across the U.S., supported by both visionary founders and what he calls “gospel patrons.” He emphasizes the importance of viewing each student through the lens of the Imago Dei—offering not a “hot dog education” but a feast worthy of God’s children. The conversation highlights key principles of school success in difficult settings: high expectations, high accountability, and high support, all rooted in authentic relationships. Gregg also explores the spiritual and cultural enrichment that arises from diverse school communities and advocates for humility and forgiveness as the glue of gospel harmony. He closes by pointing to several organizations helping to sustain this growing movement: Society for Classical Learning and Classical Commons.

Apr 10, 2025 • 1h 2min
Episode 27: Teaching from Rest, Wonder and Wisdom with Christopher Perrin and Carrie Eben
In this ClassicalU podcast episode, Jesse Hake speaks with Dr. Christopher Perrin and Carrie Eben about their new book The Good Teacher, which expands into ten principles from ClassicalU’s original course titled “Eight Essential Principles of Classical Pedagogy.” The conversation traces the book's origins, how Carrie and Christopher collaborated, and the vision behind their claim that pedagogy is guided by principles and virtue. They share how classical teaching is rooted in universal principles that support freedom and wisdom in the classroom, with virtue as the central guiding thread. Their book is paired with a new ClassicalU course that includes stories from the authors’ diverse teaching backgrounds. The episode emphasizes the practical and philosophical value of this book and course for all educators, whether in classrooms or homeschool settings. Listeners may also be interested in this live online summer course on the book with coauthor Carrie Eben.

Mar 13, 2025 • 1h 4min
Episode 26: Teaching the Epic in Ordinary Life: Marilynne Robinson, Virtue, and Classical Education with Christine Perrin
In this episode of the ClassicalU Podcast, we welcome back Christine Perrin to talk about the deeply Christian engagement with the epic tradition found in Marilynne Robinson’s novels. Christine has taught these novels over several years with profound blessings in the lives of students. The conversation explores the themes of homecoming (nostos) and glory (kleos) and how these novels illuminate the virtue tradition, drawing connections to Aristotle, Homer, and C.S. Lewis, while also addressing themes of co-suffering, the Beatitudes, and the tension between virtue and grace. Christine Perrin shares pedagogical strategies for guiding students through these texts. Whether you're a teacher, school leader, or lifelong learner, this episode offers profound insights into how literature can show us virtue and shape us in it.

Feb 13, 2025 • 58min
Episode 25: Ties that Bind, Scholé, and Classical Education with Dr. Joylynn Blake
The respective directors of Scholé Academy and ClassicalU, Joylynn Blake and Jesse Hake, mix work and pleasure in this unscripted conversation about the essence and inspiration of classical education. Jesse inquires about the personal history and stories that lie behind Joylynn's love for educational opportunity. Along the way, they chat about their work as colleagues at Classical Academic Press and some of the things that have inspired and moved them. In conversation, Joylynn mentioned books including Educating for Shalom by Nicholas Wolterstorff, A Grief Observed by C.S. Lewis, A Child's History of the World by V.M. Hillyer, Wonder by R.J. Palacio, The Scholé Way by Christopher Perrin, The Black Intellectual Tradition by Dr. Anika Prather and Dr. Angel Parham, and, most recently, the primary sources curated in the Humanitas series. The two also mention ClassicalU courses that have benefitted them and the teachers and families they support, including Wendell Berry’s Virtues of Renewal with Dr. Jeffrey Bilbro, The Black Intellectual Tradition and the Great Conversation with Dr. Anika Prather & Dr. Angel Parham, and Disability and Classical Education with Dr. Amy Gilbert Richards, and the David Bentley Hart commentary course. With laughs, a moment of tears, and a few beating drums, Joylynn and Jesse enjoy each other's company in the company of ideas.

Jan 9, 2025 • 51min
Episode 24: Chatting About Reading, Raising Children, and More with New Team Member Rebecca Richard
Get to know ClassicalU's new full time team member Rebecca Richard as she and director Jesse Hake talk about the love of learning, late blooming, Charlotte Mason, scholé, and life at sea. You will also hear about Rebecca's personal top picks among our courses: Common Arts Education by Chris Hall, Charlotte Mason: A Liberal Education for All by Jason Barney, and Disability and Classical Education by Dr. Amy Richards. Some of the many books that Rebecca mentions during the conversation include: Hannah Coulter by Wendell Berry, The Well-Trained Mind by Susan Wise Bauer, Consider This by Karen Glass, The Scholé Way by Christopher Perrin, and Founding Gardeners by Andrea Wulf.

Dec 24, 2024 • 53min
Episode 23: Considering Mary in Conversation with Professor Matthew Milliner (a Nativity Bonus Episode)
In this bonus Nativity episode, Jesse Hake chats with Wheaton College Professor of Art History, Matthew Milliner about Mary and his book Mother of the Lamb: The Story of a Global Icon. Among several connections made to the classical liberal arts, this conversation overlaps with much in Jesse's "Lecture 12: Mythic Cosmos" in ClassicalU's course on Women in the Liberal Arts Tradition. Start your journey with ClassicalU today and unlock insights that last a lifetime. Use code ClassicalChristmas2024 at checkout by 12/31 to enjoy 50% off your first two months!

Dec 12, 2024 • 54min
Episode 22: Fr. Wesley Walker of "The Classical Mind" on Hugh of Saint Victor
Jesse Hake interviews Fr. Wesley Walker on a wide range of topics related to classical Christian education, including the work and influence of Hugh of St. Victor, the importance of incorporating American literature and history into the classical curriculum, the connections between teaching and priestly vocations, and contemporary resources relevant to the classical Christian renewal. Topics covered include the "Common Arts Education" course with Chris Hall, Fr. Wesley's podcast and newsletter at The Classical Mind, and Nate Marshall's essay "Craft and Theology: The Renaissance" inspired, in part, by Hugh of St. Victor.

Nov 14, 2024 • 42min
Episode 21: Sarah Flynn on Classical Education in Australia and Indigenous Approaches to Knowledge
Jesse Hake chats with Sarah Flynn, a classical Christian education pioneer in Australia and founder of Logos Australis. Sarah is an educator with a background in ecology, environmental studies, and Aboriginal studies in addition to being instrumental in promoting classical education in Australia. Among other topics, Sarah and Jesse consider relationships between integrating indigenous approaches to knowledge and the principles of classical education. ClassicalU courses mentioned include The Liberal Arts Tradition and The Art of Poetry.

Oct 10, 2024 • 1h 14min
Episode 20: Liturgical Learning: A Conversation between Christine Perrin, Junius Johnson, and Chris Perrin
In this episode, Christopher Perrin engages with both Junius Johnson and Christine Perrin on the topics of contemplative, embodied, sacramental, and liturgical learning. Together they consider how these truths should inform our classroom practices in light of a sacramental sense of time, the church calendar, and the fact that humans are embodied creatures. Among others, this conversation relates to content in "Scholé (Restful) Learning" with Christopher Perrin, "Theology of Beauty and the Imagination: A Guide to Wonder" course with Junius Johnson and "The Art of Poetry" with Christine Perrin.

Sep 12, 2024 • 38min
Episode 19: Interview with Jeffrey Bilbro about Wendell Berry's Virtues of Renewal within the Classroom
Jesse Hake talks with author and Grove City College professor Jeffrey Bilbro about his forthcoming course on ClassicalU about how teachers can cultivate Wendell Berry's virtues of renewal within their classrooms. Bilbro's course is based on his book Virtues of Renewal: Wendell Berry’s Sustainable Forms and relates to material in existing ClassicalU courses including The Art of Poetry and Scholé (Restful) Learning. If you enjoy this episode, be sure to watch for our new course with Jeffrey Bilbro on ClassicalU in coming months.


