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Bruegel
The Sound of Economics brings you insights, debates, and research-based discussions on economic policy in Europe and beyond.
The podcast is produced by Bruegel, an independent and non-doctrinal think tank based in Brussels. It seeks to contribute to European and global economic policy-making through open, fact-based, and policy-relevant research, analysis, and debate.
The podcast is produced by Bruegel, an independent and non-doctrinal think tank based in Brussels. It seeks to contribute to European and global economic policy-making through open, fact-based, and policy-relevant research, analysis, and debate.
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Oct 23, 2018 • 30min
S5 Ep13: Director’s Cut: How to reform and fortify the global financial system
Bruegel director Guntram Wolff is joined by Tharman Shanmugaratnam, deputy prime minister of Singapore and chair of the G20 Eminent Persons Group, and Jean Pisani-Ferry, mercator senior fellow at Bruegel, for a conversation about the growth and stability challenges facing the global financial system, and how the system can be better equipped to deal with the significant and novel problems of the future.In this Director’s Cut of ‘The Sound of Economics’ Guntram Wolff is joined by Bruegel’s mercator senior fellow Jean Pisani-Ferry, and by Tharman Shanmugaratnam, deputy prime minister of Singapore and chair of the G20 Eminent Persons Group.A report from the Eminent Persons Group looks into how the global financial system can adapt to meet the sizeable challenges the future will pose, with particular reference to growth and financial stability.Small episodes of growth scarcity accumulate to make for a significant reduction worldwide, and the current model is not going to achieve the necessary uptick in growth in the next decade. Meanwhile, financial stability remains elusive, despite the positive changes made – particularly in the banking sector – since the most recent crisis.But the report from the G20 Eminent Persons Group is not without hope, and in fact sees a practical way forward by which the gaps in the current system can be plugged before new foundations are laid for the future.For further reading, we recommend Jean Pisani-Ferry’s Bruegel Policy Contribution on the question of whether we should give up on global governance in such turbulent times.

Oct 17, 2018 • 19min
S5 Ep12: Backstage: The new balance of Asia-EU-US trade relations
Amid the Asia-Europe Economic Forum on the fringes of the 12th ASEM Summit, Bruegel senior fellow hosts a conversation on developing global trade relations, with guests Moonsung Kang, professor as Korea University, and Michael G. Plummer, director at SAIS Europe – Johns Hopkins University, for an episode of the Bruegel Backstage series on ‘The Sound of Economics’.
With Bruegel hosting the two-day Asia-Europe Economic Forum in the same week as the Asia-Europe Meeting takes place in Brussels, André Sapir takes the opportunity to talk about the quickening changes to the global trade landscape in conversation with Moonsung Kang, professor as Korea University, and Michael G. Plummer, director at SAIS Europe – Johns Hopkins University.
Led by President Donald Trump, the US has begun to challenge the multilateral trade system. Meanwhile, Europe has been busy securing free trade agreements – most recently with Japan, previously with Canada and others.
With the US appearing to withdraw, and abdicate its leading role in the global trading system, Asia’s moves to improve relations with Europe make sense; the EU seems to have better appreciated the shift of the gravitational centre of world trade towards Asia.
The question remains how closely Asia and the EU will agree to cooperate in the years to come, and whether the US political narrative will develop in a way that leads them back towards free trade, or even further down the road of bilateral agreements.
If you are interested in reading more on this topic, we can recommend the research paper on the EU-Japan agreement that Bruegel has submitted to the European Parliament, by André Sapir, Sonali Chowdhry and Alessio Terzi.
Consider also the Bruegel Backstage podcast episode on the developing EU-China relationship in the face of rising global trade tensions.

Oct 16, 2018 • 14min
S5 Ep11: Deep Focus: Renewing the clean energy strategy in the Mediterranean
In this episode of Deep Focus, Bruegel research fellow Simone Tagliapeitra explains how the nature of cross-Mediterranean energy relations needs to change, not only in line with new climate-change targets but also to meet the burgeoning energy demand outside Europe.Oil and gas dominated Euro-Mediterranean energy relations in the 20th century, but with the turn of the 21st century came a new focus on renewable sources. The new ventures were less successful than those of old, and both institutional and commercial plans failed to achieve the same level of fruitful cooperation.With electricity demand sky-rocketing in the Middle East, future efforts must differ from those of the past in providing much more supply for the countries outside Europe. The EU can play a key role in ensuring that both they and the countries on the southern side of the Mediterranean Sea benefit from such a spike in energy demand, with a strategy in-keeping with agreements already reached on cutting greenhouse gas emissions.In this episode of Bruegel’s Deep Focus series, Simone Tagliapietra explains how the regulatory and financial constraints on renewable energy projects can be overcome. European institutions have the capability to back the sizeable upfront investment in renewables that will propel such projects towards their long-term pay-offs. But funding must be conditional on reform that promotes private investment and removes archaic bias towards fossil fuels.The research discussed in this episode is available in full in the Bruegel Policy Brief, ‘The Euro-Mediterranean energy relationship: a fresh perspective’, by Simone Tagliapietra. This scholar has also collaborated with Bruegel senior fellow Georg Zachmann on a study of Europe’s failure to clean up its transport sector, which we recommend as further reading.

Oct 9, 2018 • 24min
S5 Ep10: Director’s Cut: How does Italy’s budget fit with EU fiscal rules?
In this Director’s Cut of ‘The Sound of Economics’, Guntram Wolff welcomes Bruegel research fellow Grégory Claeys to assess how the new Italian budget proposals measure up against the existing EU fiscal rules.Italy’s new budget proposals, together with projected deficit levels for the coming years, have put the EU as well as bond-market investors on alert.In the context of Italy’s already-high ratio of public debt to GDP, the coalition government’s plan to increase the budget deficit has prompted concerns that the country risks running afoul of the EU’s fiscal framework. What are the means by which the EU can monitor and, if need be, administer sanctions on Italy, in the event of any contravention of its fiscal rules? Bruegel director Guntram Wolff takes this opportunity to discuss all the options facing the European Commission and Council, as well as the specific details of the Italian case and the forecasts underpinning the budget’s figures, with Bruegel research fellow Grégory Claeys. For further reading, we recommend our full break-down of the EU’s options for response to Italy’s fiscal plans, written by Grégory Claeys and Antoine Mathieu Collin. You can also hear more on Italy’s economic and political outlook in another of our podcasts, featuring Bruegel affiliate fellow Silvia Merler in discussion with Marcello Minenna, PhD lecturer at the London Graduate School and head of quants at Consob, and Lorenzo Codogno, visiting professor at the London School of Economics and Political Science.

Oct 4, 2018 • 25min
S5 Ep9: Backstage: Implications of the new EU-Japan trade deal
Bruegel senior fellow André Sapir welcomes Tamotsu Nakamura, dean of Kobe University’s Graduate School of Economics, and Maria Åsenius, head of cabinet to European trade commissioner Cecilia Malmström, for a discussion of the EU-Japan economic partnership in the context of heightening global trade tensions.The EU and Japan have signed a landmark trade deal this summer that will create the world’s largest open economic area.The economic partnership agreement will be the biggest bilateral trade agreement the EU has ever signed, permitting not only the dropping of tariffs but also regulatory cooperation, as well as a special focus to promote the interests of SMEs. The trade-positive nature of this agreement goes against the grain of the numerous challenges made to the global multilateral system in recent times, best represented by the tariffs and counter-tariffs imposed by the US and China upon one another.To explore how this accord suits the EU and Japan, in terms of both the domestic and international interests of each side, Bruegel senior fellow André Sapir welcomes two guests for this edition of the Bruegel Backstage series – Tamotsu Nakamura, dean of Kobe University’s Graduate School of Economics, and Maria Åsenius, head of cabinet to European trade commissioner Cecilia Malmström. If you are interested in reading more on this topic, we can recommend the research paper on the EU-Japan agreement that Bruegel has submitted to the European Parliament, by André Sapir, Sonali Chowdhry and Alessio Terzi. You might also consider our previous podcast on EU’s options in the event of global trade war, featuring Bruegel director Guntram Wolff with Bernd Lange, member of the European Parliament and chair of the Committee on International Trade. Tamotsu Nakamura and Maria Åsenius participated in one session of the Bruegel conference on international trade and the EU-Japan agreement.

Oct 2, 2018 • 21min
S5 Ep8: Director’s Cut: Is economics asking the right questions?
Bruegel deputy director Maria Demertzis welcomes Financial Times commentator Martin Sandbu to explore the journey taken by the field of economics since the financial crisis struck 10 years ago, and discusses what new tools economics has now that it didn’t have then.
In this Director’s Cut of ‘The Sound of Economics’, we trace the journey upon which the field of economics has embarked since the financial crisis, what lessons it has learnt and what it can do differently now with the benefit of hindsight.
Economists and financial specialists failed to identify the burgeoning threat of financial imbalances, excessive risk-taking and housing bubbles that led to the crisis that first broke a decade ago. Can economics provide answers to the right questions – and in good time?
Bruegel deputy director Maria Demertzis is joined by Martin Sandbu of the Financial Times to look at what new tools and approaches can help economists make a difference in the event that any similar such crisis strikes again.
For further consideration we recommend another edition of the Director’s Cut podcast series, featuring a discussion between Maria Demertzis, Nicola Viegi – South African Reserve Bank professor of monetary economics at the University of Pretoria – and Frank Smets – director general of economics at the European Central Bank – on the topic of macroeconomics’ post-crisis reinvention and the flourishing of new models.
FURTHER READING
Rebuilding macroeconomics: Initial reflections on a major theory project
The DSGE Model Quarrel (Again)
Tales from a crisis: diverging narratives of the euro area

Sep 28, 2018 • 17min
S5 Ep7: Director’s Cut: The Italian government budget proposal for 2019
Guntram Wolff welcomes Bruegel affiliate fellow Silvia Merler to evaluate the Italian government’s planned budget for 2019, in this Director’s Cut of ‘The Sound of Economics’
Six months after its election, Italy’s coalition government reached an agreement on public spending.
The key tenets of its first budget include a spending increase that will drive the budget deficit to 2.4% of GDP, tax cuts, a proposal for a minimal income for the unemployed, as well as cancellation of the plans to increase retirement ages.
Though the new deficit budget fits into the EU’s limit of 3%, Italy’s debt of €2.3 trillion makes for a difficult case to increase spending. The news comes as a blow for the finance minister Giovanni Tria, who pushed for a more fiscally responsible budget, trying to limit budget deficit to 1.6% of GDP. The decision also received disapproval from Brussels, with EU Economics Commissioner Pierre Moscovici criticising Italy for “flouting the rules” and disregarding its large debt.
To discuss the potential consequences, Guntram Wolff welcomes Bruegel affiliate fellow Silvia Merler to this Director’s Cut of ‘The Sound of Economics’.
For further reading, we recommend Guntram Wolff’s opinion piece on how to overcome the hurdles obstructing Italian growth, as well as Silvia Merler’s note comparing the capital flight from Italy in 2018 with similar such scenarios witnessed in 2011 and 2016.

Sep 25, 2018 • 25min
S5 Ep6: Backstage: Brexit consequences for EU’s ICT policy
Bruegel senior fellow Scott Marcus welcomes former European Regulators Group chairman Kip Meek to explore the consequences of Brexit for ICT policy-making in Europe.The divorce of the UK from the European Union will have far-reaching consequences for all sectors, but what will be the balance of continuity and disruption in the sphere of ICT regulation?With the terms of separation and the nature of the UK’s future relationship with the EU yet to be finalised, there are still many variables that could affect the final outlook. Nevertheless, we can explore the industry’s broader regulatory inclinations, as well as the areas that are most vulnerable to any serious disruption. Reflecting on the most essential problems that Brexit will pose to the ICT industry, Bruegel senior fellow J. Scott Marcus is joined in conversation by Kip Meek, former chairman of the European Regulators Group. For further reading, we recommend a blog post written by Scott Marcus on the question of whether mobile roaming arrangements can be maintained between the UK and EU post-Brexit. Kip Meek appeared as a panellist at an International telecommunications Society conference in Trento, Italy in August 2018, in a session moderated by Scott Marcus.

Sep 20, 2018 • 34min
S5 Ep5: Backstage: Developing the EU-China relationship amid rising global trade tensions
Following a conference at Bruegel, at a critical moment for the global economic system, Bruegel director Guntram Wolff is joined by Zhang Weiwei, director at The China Institute of Fudan University, together with Bruegel senior fellow Alicia García-Herrero, for a discussion of EU-China trade relations.With the United States pursuing a policy of imposing trade tariffs on its international partners, the geopolitical landscape is poised for change. What room is there, then, for closer economic ties between China and Europe in a world where a multilateral trading system cannot be taken for granted?There are many points, political and economic, on which European and Chinese approaches diverge; nevertheless, there remains the opportunity to focus on common ground, establish a more mutually beneficial relationship, while also standing up for the multilateral system.US trade tariffs have driven China and Europe together more quickly than they might have met otherwise. How prepared China and Europe actually are for building closer ties remains an essential debate. This conversation assesses what problems still prevent a smoother integration of interests in both the Chinese and the European spheres.We invite you to peruse the audio and video recordings of our sessions from the event, ‘Perils and potential: China-US-EU trade relations’, where Bruegel welcomed a number of Chinese and EU trade experts.For further reading, consider the Bruegel research paper looking into European and Chinese trade competition in Latin America, written by Alicia García-Herrero with Thibault Marbach and Jianwei Xu.Also note our blog post analysing data on bilateral trade, services, investment and protectionism between Asia, Europe and the US in recent years, determining whether the nature of the global economy is Transatlantic, Transpacific or Eurasian.

Sep 14, 2018 • 19min
S5 Ep4: Director’s Cut: Europe’s migration policy challenge
Immigration is one of the most contentious policy matters currently facing the EU. In this Director’s Cut of ‘The Sound of Economics’ Bruegel director Guntram Wolff welcomes Ana Palacio, member of the Spanish council of state and former foreign affairs minister, as well as Bruegel visiting fellow Elina Ribakova for a constructive discussion as to which approaches will yield the best results.
Joining Bruegel director Guntram Wolff for this Director’s Cut of ‘The Sound of Economics’ is Ana Palacio, member of the Spanish council of state and former foreign affairs minister, and Elina Ribakova, Bruegel visiting fellow at Bruegel, to discuss the exact nature of the migration challenges currently troubling the EU.
Previous agreement upon the creation of disembarkation centres on the north African coast constitutes only a policy step rather than a resolution. Still very little has been done to draw up a common European migration policy and consensus remains difficult while
Member States continue to operate their own independent, broadly disparate policies.
Separating the concept of migration and refugees is also key to improving the general understanding of the challenges; likewise, being clear that the number of arrivals in the EU is now significantly lower than in 2015.
There is also progress to be made in accepting that integration is a two-way street, and that legitimate concerns should not be written off without a hearing.
For further reading, consider the Bruegel Blueprint publication ‘People on the move: migration and mobility in the European Union’, which contains a wealth of research on the various challenges that immigration poses to Europe’s policymakers.
Also recommended is this blog post by Zsolt Darvas which illustrates that Europe’s population growth would now be negative if it were not for the inflow of immigrants.


