

C.O.B. Tuesday
Veriten
C.O.B. Tuesday is a weekly one-hour talk show that serves as a knowledge pipeline for the energy industry and the energy curious. We host honest, timely, conversations with people we believe can improve the discussion, can provide new perspectives, can share unique insights into key energy issues, and can discuss inventive, pragmatic solutions for a stronger energy future. Produced by Veriten.
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Apr 20, 2022 • 49min
“Energy Pragmatism and Optimism in the Classroom” Featuring Dr. Steven Koonin and his NYU Students
We are always delighted to hear from young people in energy and today's COBT session was a fantastic experience. This week's primary speaker is a longstanding friend and former COBT guest, Dr. Steven Koonin. Dr. Koonin is a Professor at the Stern School of Business at NYU, Nonresident Senior Fellow at AEI and the Author of "Unsettled." Prior to joining NYU, he served as the Under Secretary for Science at the U.S. Department of Energy under the Obama Administration and was formerly the Chief Scientist at BP. Today we had the pleasure of joining not only Dr. Koonin, but also a few of his students (Matt Mayeski, Alice Nuz, and Beniamin Strzelecki) for an engaging discussion around energy, climate, and the future.In our discussion with Dr. Koonin, we cover his course, the reception of "Unsettled" since its publication almost one year ago, and high-level takeaways from the IPCC's 2022 Report. Dr. Koonin's energy course is a "soup to nuts" analysis of the technology, economics, markets, regulation, public perception, and other forces shaping the future of energy. We discuss ideas, observations, and thoughts on solutions with his students and get their unique opinions on what the energy world may look like in ten years.Mike Bradley started the show with a look at equity and commodity performance from the past week as well as an analysis on the US natural gas curve, the European natural gas curve, and the potential interactions of the coal and gas markets. Colin Fenton expanded on the IMF Global Financial Stability Report from April with a handful of key takeaway points.Thank you to Dr. Koonin for arranging today's discussion at NYU and a special thank you to Matt, Alice, and Beniamin for joining the conversation! We hope you enjoy.

Apr 13, 2022 • 1h 5min
"In ESG, the E is for Emissions and the S and G are Silent" Featuring Adam Waterous, Waterous Energy Fund
Today we welcomed an old friend, Adam Waterous, to COBT and had a sweeping energy conversation reflective of his 30+ years in energy transactions, financings, investing, and strategy. Adam founded Waterous in 1991, stayed through 2017, and then began Waterous Energy Fund. As you will hear in the discussion, Adam has phenomenal historical perspective, a unique framework for the world from here, and is direct in his candor about what's working and what's not in today's world. It was a fantastic session and we can't thank Adam enough for joining us.Colin Fenton's inflation commentary added meat to the topic that is the front and center macro driver of current commodity, equity and debt markets... and drives home the point that the current inflation issues are not a post-Ukraine event. Mike Bradley kicked us off with comments leading into Q1 earnings season and observations on energy stocks' relative and absolute performance.

Apr 6, 2022 • 1h
"This Isn't A Digital Problem, It's An Analog One" Featuring Ryan Panchadsaram, Kleiner Perkins
Today’s discussion with Ryan Panchadsaram (senior technical advisor to John Doerr, Chair of Kleiner Perkins) explored a range of topics spanning from VC investing, the tech VC world partnering with the existing energy community to achieve scaled energy solutions, and the climate action plan that was the focus of "Speed and Scale" (which Ryan co-authored). Ryan's technical background and his perspective expressed in the book hit a number of themes that resonate with us – including the topic of a “green” premium and those solutions needing a path to compete on a cost basis, how difficult scaled solutions are to achieve, the innovation opportunities availed by the energy transition movement, and the need for collaboration to arrive at impactful energy market solutions. We have a hope of building more bridges between the tech community and energy industry and were excited to converse with this powerful Silicon Valley investor. Thanks for joining, Ryan! Mike Bradley kicked us off with observations on both energy equity prices and domestic natural gas prices followed by views on the announced SPR release and potential re-fill (or not) of the inventories. Colin Fenton opened our horizons to the volatility and price action in a number of non-oil and gas commodity markets and drives home the point that extreme price movements are not just captive to our energy markets.

Mar 30, 2022 • 1h 7min
"The ESG Report Just Got Merged Into The 10-K" Featuring Travis Wofford and Scott Janoe, Baker Botts & Dan Romito, PEP
Today we took on the challenge of unpacking the SEC's proposed climate disclosure rules and their potential implications. To help us do so, we had a panel of experienced leaders in the space join for a lively discussion that we hope will provide clarity and understanding. Our panel today includes Travis Wofford, Chair of the Corporate Department in Houston and Vice Chair of the Global M&A Practice and Scott Janoe, Chair of the Environmental, Safety & Incident Response Section from Baker Botts, and Dan Romito, Consulting Partner with Pickering Energy Partners.The framework of our discussion included an overview of the proposed requirements and background on the buildup to the SEC's new proposals, the key SEC players involved (with some particular focus on the dissenting view from Commissioner Peirce), the likelihood of the proposed rules becoming final, what the disclosures would cost and the potential liabilities for public companies, the potential unintended consequences of these new regulations, whether the SEC should be the governing body addressing these disclosures, implications for small to large companies, the importance of materiality, and the "climate industrial complex," just to hit a few. We greatly appreciate Travis, Scott, and Dan sharing their perspectives and are hopeful these proposed SEC changes can be improved before they are ultimately implemented.For further reading, Baker Botts has published a thought leadership piece. Statements are also available from SEC Chair Gary Gensler, Commissioner Allison Herren Lee, Commissioner Hester Peirce, and Commissioner Caroline Crenshaw.Mike Bradley kicked us off with a look at equity and commodity performance for the week, noting US natural gas and Euro natural gas and commodity curves for natural gas vs. WTI crude oil. Colin Fenton helped us all make sense of the complex inflation situation with the Fed and talked about the recent inversion of the yield curve and how to interpret it.

Mar 23, 2022 • 1h 12min
"Going from C.A.R.E. to R.A.C.E., and Being Prepared for Dunkelflaute!" Featuring Brad Jones & Bill Flores, ERCOT
We are amped up for this week's feature session on power with ERCOT. With us today is Brad Jones, Interim President and Chief Executive Officer, and our good friend and former COBT guest Bill Flores, Vice-Chair and Independent Board Member. As a brief introduction, Brad has a 30+ year career in the electricity industry optimizing electricity businesses as well as designing electricity markets and operating electricity grids across North America. Bill previously served as a U.S. Congressman for ten years and has also served in board governance and senior leadership positions for public and private entities. Our conversation had massive scope and depth and it was a pleasure to host them both.As you may or may not know, Brad stepped up to serve as Interim CEO in 2021 and has since helped to make significant strides in several initiatives for ERCOT. In our discussion, we touch on the changes Brad and the team have made in the past year, background on ERCOT and correlated legislation, the challenge of managing multiple power sources, transitioning priorities from "C.A.R.E" to "R.A.C.E.," transmission planning, the benefits of running a business in Texas, managing electricity in Texas versus other states or countries (today we learned "Dunkelflaute" is the German word for dark and calm, meaning no sun and no wind), and what the next ten years might look like for power. You can find ERCOT's current 60-step road map to improving grid reliability. The Veriten team had a brief lead-in to start the show: Mike Bradley pointed out a few OFS announcements regarding Russia over the weekend and shared tidbits from Aramco's year-end presentation and conference call. Colin Fenton touched on a few regulatory news items including the SEC's climate disclosure proposal and letters from Congress to the CEOs of energy companies. Todd Scruggs presented background data on ERCOT (courtesy of Orennia) to prepare us for our power discussion.It was fantastic to visit with Brad and Bill. We hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did! Thanks to you all.

Mar 16, 2022 • 57min
"Distinguishing a Value Trap from a Value Opportunity" Featuring Mark Viviano & Megan Hays, Kimmeridge Energy
We have a stellar dynamic duo for this week's session. Our good friends Mark Viviano, Head of Public Equities, and Megan Hays, Managing Director, with Kimmeridge Energy visited us for an engaging and insightful discussion. Mark's investing career has spanned over 17+ years in portfolio management and research analysis on companies in the energy sector, primarily focused on E&Ps and natural resources. Megan has 15+ years of experience in investor relations, strategic communications, M&A, capital markets and ESG. With such a deep wealth of knowledge and expertise, we had lots to cover.As you will hear in the discussion, our topics ranged from background on Kimmeridge and their strategies and approach to the portfolio, what differentiates good and bad M&A, ESG, E&P performance in the next few years, the global oil and gas markets, and more. We also discussed some of Mark's white papers and touched on the overarching themes including resource transparency, executive compensation, and the potential for a carbon offset price to name a few. Mike Bradley started us off with an overview of equity and commodity performance over the past week and his thoughts on traditional and clean energy current events. He also touched on key highlights from CERAWeek. Colin Fenton joined us from sunny California (where gas prices are currently nearing $6/gallon) with three items about perception including an update on the energy inverse bubble.

Mar 11, 2022 • 20min
“The Courage to Do What’s Right for the Country” - A Conversation with No Labels
This was undoubtedly a big week for us in Houston with CERAWeek in full force. The conference brought many friends (old and new) to town and that allowed us to really get caught up on so many things.This morning, Nancy Jacobson (CEO) and Margaret White (Senior Advisor) came to our offices and we had a fabulous discussion. If you aren't familiar with NO LABELS, they are a nonprofit organization based in Washington, D.C. with a mission to combat partisan dysfunction in politics and build a bi-partisan governing coalition to tackle common challenges and push forward the best policies for the American people. That's a mission we can all get behind!We were so pleased to have the opportunity to visit with them both. Our discussion started with background on NO LABELS, their achievements since inception in 2010, their future goals (starting with the 2024 election and the potential for a NO LABELS-sponsored Presidential Candidate), and the challenges they tackle. You can sign up for updates here and, as mentioned, you can also reach Margaret at Margaret@nolabels.org.Thanks to you all! We hope you have a fantastic weekend

Mar 11, 2022 • 39min
"The Largest Green Initiative on the Planet" - A discussion with Toby Rice
In addition to a jam-packed CERAWeek full of content, news flow and interesting perspectives, EQT, led by Toby Rice, released its impactful plan of “Unleashing US LNG – The Largest Green Initiative on the Planet.” The 56-page slide deck outlines the ambition to quadruple US LNG capacity by 2030 (what it would take on the upstream, midstream and downstream side) and importantly the global environmental impact (reduces CO2 emission equal to that of electrifying every US passenger vehicle, powering every US home with rooftop solar and adding 54k industrial scales windmills). The conversation first touched on several themes resonating with the group from time spent navigating the CERA crowd then moved to a discussion of EQT’s US LNG expansion plan and the punchy slides that captured the essence of the messaging. Timing is of the essence for the world to move the needle on its emissions profile (global coal consumption increases last year unwound years of emissions improvement from renewables expansion). From there, we discussed what the US government could do to help this LNG expansion plan be achievable. Toby did a great job of encapsulating the race among energy providers to be 1) cheap, 2) reliable and 3) not just clean…but zero emissions over the next decade. It’s been an awesome week in Houston exploring the dynamic energy issues. Thank you all for the support and it has been great to see so many of you in person this week.

Mar 9, 2022 • 57min
"Saying It's Better Than Coal Isn't Good Enough" - A Discussion with Arjun Murti
It's CERAWeek in Houston and we are thrilled to be back in person visiting with great minds in the energy universe. We have a special guest and good friend joining us for this week's session: Arjun Murti, Author of Super-Spiked, Board Member and PE Senior Advisor. Arjun is a seasoned energy expert and has spent his 30-year career researching and analyzing global energy markets. We had much to discuss!First, we touched on Arjun's recent piece, "Energy Security and the Case for Canada." Arjun provided background on his inspiration to launch his platform, Super-Spiked, and what he is doing to help change the energy dialogue. From there, we segued into energy policies over the last 20 years, why we should be arguing for both energy security and climate, fuel economy and the concept of decoupling economic growth from oil and gas demand growth, the quest for the US and Canada to be the low-cost carbon provider to the world, and his 10-year outlook on energy. It was fascinating to note the many connections between our discussion and the sessions taking place at CERA.Mike Bradley kicked off today's lead-in with an energy market performance update and key observations from CERAWeek. Colin Fenton shared reflections from his CERA panel that looked at the economic outlook for 2022-2023 and noted a few market numbers to keep an eye on. As you may remember, Colin previously made the connection between box office receipts and economic outlook and to our delight he has updated data from The Batman's recent release.

Mar 2, 2022 • 1h
"If You Follow Fashion, You'll Get Fleeced" - A Discussion with Martin Lovegrove
We are thrilled to have Martin Lovegrove, Co-Founder and Executive Chairman of Kirk Lovegrove & Company join us today. Martin has a wealth of knowledge and experience around strategic advisory, acquisitions, and divestitures with 50 years in the global oil and gas business. In his career, he has advised 120+ clients on over 500 mandates and has developed four independent successful advisory companies along the way. It was wonderful to visit with Martin and get his perspective on all the issues swirling around in today's world. Undeniably, a great deal has happened since last week's episode with Dr. Angela Stent and Dr. Dan Yergin. As we all watch the harrowing humanitarian crisis in Ukraine develop, we wanted to provide a list of organizations that are offering relief support to the country including a few charities specifically focused on children. In our discussion with Martin, we discussed the current European energy and security mindset, how we got here, the future of oil and gas, his thoughts on key players, the outlook for classic energy companies, the energy transition going forward, the great opportunities the oil and gas industry offers to the next generation, and generally his reflections on a half century of working with the industry. It was incredibly insightful; we very much enjoyed our time with him and know you will enjoy the conversation.The Veriten team did a fantastic job of summarizing key news items for today's lead-in. Mike Bradley examined equity and commodity performance, noting the past week has been one of the most volatile weeks in energy markets in the past decade. He also presented fascinating data on both the classic and clean energy complexes. You will see a very interesting chart comparing the XLE and the ICLN. Colin Fenton explored where Russia's gas flows are now going in light of recent events, with flows through Ukraine down 50%. Also in Veriten news, today marks Todd Scruggs' official first day and we couldn't be happier to have him join the team. Todd serves as Partner/Investment Opportunities and is already hard at work thinking about investing for the next energy decade.


