Climbing Business Journal Podcasts

On this episode of The Impact Driver Podcast, host Holly Chen sits down with Nickolas Gagliardi to get us thinking about USAC events as routesetters gear up for the upcoming youth competition season. Nick started setting in 2015 in St. Paul, Minnesota. While that beginning was only ten years ago, Nick experienced the industry when many setters were still getting paid by the route and boulder, specifically: $7 a boulder, $11 a top-rope route, $15 a lead route and $26 for setting the roof. From there, Nick moved to Colorado where he set at the Earth Treks gyms—now Movement—before he finally landed in Portland, Oregon. Now, Nick is a USAC Level 3 routesetter and the Director of Setting at Portland Rock Gym. When he’s not setting, Nick is often climbing outdoors, playing video games, and trying to get better at Go. General Topics Covered The history of Portland Rock Gym’s Beaverton location, designed with setters and competitions in mind Key elements of a competition-ready gym Communicating with members about hosting USAC competitions Preparing to host Youth Nationals Lessons learned from hosting Youth Nationals—and what could be done differently next time Managing relationships between in-house and guest setters Setting novice routesetters up for success in their first competition Professional development opportunities for experienced competition setters Show Notes Find Nick Gagliardi on Instagram Portland Rock Gym 2025 Youth National Championships at the Portland Rock Gym, Beaverton USA Climbing Routesetters USAC Boulder QE Setting Guidelines and Top Rope/Lead Guidelines USAC Rulebook You’re Stronger if You’re Honest: Behind the Wrench With Abby Wilson  More: other episodes of The Impact Driver Podcast that look at competition team dynamics:  Setting the Tone: What Makes a Space Feel Good? – CBJ Podcast with Jesse Safford No One Sets Alone: Collective Authorship – CBJ Podcast with Ruth Jang “You Can Strip My Boulder.” – CBJ Podcast with Blake Green Closing Notes If you’d like to nominate someone as a next guest, have a topic you want to see us tackle or have questions, we’d love for you to reach out. The Impact Driver podcast is a production of the Climbing Business Journal. Today’s episode is sponsored by Kilter and Bold Climbing. It was edited and produced by Holly Yu Tung Chen, Megan Cheek, Scott Rennak, and the team at CBJ. Our theme music is by Devin Dabney.

Today's podcast episode features an interview with gym founder Eric Hires. Eric is the co-owner of Stone Climbing, the first location of which opened in St. Augustine, Florida, several years ago. Now, there's a second Stone Climbing gym that is quickly approaching its grand opening in Jacksonville, Florida. Eric talks with host John Burgman about the development and the construction of both those gyms. The new Stone Climbing gym that's about to open in Jacksonville is a 16,000-square-foot ground-up build, with boulders and roped climbs. The focus of this conversation with Eric is on the challenges (and opportunities) inherent in opening a gym in a place like Florida, which certainly has some gym climbing history but doesn't have an outdoor climbing heritage per se. John was also curious to get Eric's insights on the lessons he learned from opening that first gym…and how Eric is applying those lessons to the opening of a second gym. So, keep listening to hear how jotting something down on a barroom napkin was crucial in the creation of Eric's gyms in Florida. General Topics Covered Introduction to Stone Climbing Climbing and Surfing Communities Origin Story of Stone Climbing The Bar Napkin Connection Ground-Up Construction vs. Retrofitting Second Location Development Creating Beautiful Spaces Show Notes @stoneclimbingco Thank you Approach and Strati for your support! And thank you Devin Dabney for your music!

On this expansive episode of The Impact Driver Podcast, host Holly Chen brings on two setters—Nat Vorel and Mia DePaolis—to talk about paraclimbing and parasetting, diving into fundamentals and tips that any setter can put into practice. Nat Vorel is based in Oklahoma City and has been climbing for ten years, paraclimbing for around five of them. They are a four-time National Champion and have five World Cup podiums. Nat started setting five years ago and turned freelance recently. Nat has set for a variety of competitions, from local qualifiers and citizens comps to paraclimbing comps. They have a USAC L1 setting certification and an AMGA Single Pitch Instructor certification for guiding. Climbing and setting aside, Nat is a costume designer and would like to shout out their three tabby cats, whom they love dearly. Mia DePaolis is the Head Routesetter at Central Rock Gym in Randolph, Massachusetts. She has been climbing for over twenty years and setting for ten of those years. After hearing from some local paraclimbers, Mia began to run an annual paraclimbing comp, the Randolph Rumble, at CRG. She is a USAC Level 3 routesetter with only one more national event to go before obtaining the next level. She is also a certified sports nutrition coach. Outside of climbing and setting, Mia worked as a beekeeper for many years and continues to love bees. General Topics Covered Who are paraclimbers and what are the competition categories? Debunking common myths and assumptions about paraclimbers Fundamentals of setting for paraclimbers Are there distinctive tones or styles in para routes/boulders? Paraclimbing introduces creative techniques and beta  Paraclimbing competition basics: safety, format, scoring, time, local to world stage Building and educating a robust volunteer parabelay community The future of paraclimbing and the 2028 Los Angeles Olympic Games Show Notes Find Nat Vorel on Instagram Find Mia DePaolis on Instagram Central Rock Gym USAC Paraclimbing and USAC Parasetting Clinics IFSC Paraclimbing Ehlers-Danlos Syndromes Randolph Rumble, Central Rock Gym’s annual paraclimbing competition Para Climbing Set to Make Paralympics Debut Closing Notes If you’d like to nominate someone as a next guest, have a topic you want to see us tackle or have questions, we’d love for you to reach out.  The Impact Driver podcast is a production of the Climbing Business Journal. Today’s episode is sponsored by EP Climbing and Trango. It was edited and produced by Holly Yu Tung Chen, Scott Rennak and the team at CBJ. Our theme music is by Devin Dabney.

On this episode of the Climbing Business Journal Podcast, host John Burgman checks out a new gym, ROQ, that is currently expected to open this fall in Seattle. The gym is quite unique in concept within the climbing gym industry, although somewhat par for the course in the fitness gym industry. Guest Michael Hauss is the founder and CEO of ROQ. The boutique climbing gym will feature high-intensity, hour-long workouts in a class setting, led by an instructor or trainer. In their conversation, Hauss and Burgman talk all about how the concept for the unique climbing gym came about, and how Hauss plans to run it in the vein of boutique fitness gyms with classes, instructors, and very high-intensity group training. General Topics Covered Business Concept for ROQ Class Structure and Programming Target Market and User Experience Hauss' Background Facility Design and Operations Market Positioning Industry Impact Technology and Equipment Choices Show Notes ROQ ROQ Instagram: @ROQClimbing Thank you Approach and Essential Climbing for your support! And thank you Devin Dabney for your music!

Jesse Safford (they/them) started climbing during college in Montana, but it wasn’t until they moved to Grand Rapids, Michigan, that they stumbled upon setting. Now Jesse is the Head Setter at Terra Firma. Jesse is also an avid comp setter, chiefing and setting their annual in-house Rabble Rouser competition at Terra Firma, and has set for Death Moth, Siege the Southeast and Flight of the Phoenix, among many others. Most recently, they’re extremely excited about the upcoming Midwest Mayhem series. Outside of climbing, Jesse is a birdwatcher, Dungeons and Dragons player, and cat parent. What does D&D have to do with working on a routesetting team? How can we all play a role in improving our team dynamics? Jesse and Holly dive into those topics and much more on today’s episode. General Topics Covered What does it mean to have “good vibes” on a routesetting team? How social pressure influences us in routesetting and tips for Head Setters/Event Chiefs to soften the atmosphere Emotional awareness and situational awareness of team dynamics What Dungeons and Dragons can teach us about team vibes Checking in on yourself and verbalizing your own needs to the team Role modeling vulnerability How Jesse and our host, Holly, met / Jesse’s perfect D&D campaign Show Notes Find Jesse Safford on Instagram Terra Firma Competitions mentioned: Death Moth, Siege the Southeast, Midwest Mayhem, Flight of the Phoenix All you need to know about Dungeons and Dragons battle strategy Closing Notes If you’d like to nominate someone as a next guest, have a topic you want to see us tackle or have questions, we’d love for you to reach out. The Impact Driver podcast is a production of the Climbing Business Journal. Today’s episode is sponsored by Approach and Trango. It was edited and produced by Holly Yu Tung Chen, Scott Rennak and the team at CBJ. Our theme music is by Devin Dabney.

Today on the Climbing Business Journal Podcast, host John Burgman meets with Jonathan Brandt. Jonathan is one of the co-founders of a new climbing gym in Holland, Michigan, called Shift. It's a 12,000-square-foot, bouldering-focused facility, and by Jonathan's own admission, there aren't a lot of bells and whistles in the gym, meaning there aren't a ton of fancy accouterments or amenities that are too far afield from climbing. Inside the space is primarily a bunch of really cool boulders and the community of staff and stoke that has developed around those blocks. Jonathan has been in or around the climbing industry for about 20 years. So, Shift’s founding comes with a lot of expertise and experience. You'll hear Jonathan explain how and why he felt the timing was right now, after all these years, to finally open his own gym. And he acknowledges there are a ton of other bouldering gyms out there right now. So, the question becomes: How do you stand out in this day and age? How do you set your new gym apart from the pack? There are several ways to answer that question, but Jonathan's contention is that, in the case of Shift, it has a lot to do with the staff you hire and the culture that staff helps to build. General Topics Covered Introduction to Shift Holland, Michigan and Gym Development Mission and Business Philosophy Staffing and Culture Family Meals and Staff Development Hospitality and Community Building Hold Room Design and Wall Construction Marketing and Future Plans Show Notes Shift Shift Instagram: @shiftclimbing Thank you Approach and Kilter for your support! And thank you Devin Dabney for your music!

On this episode of the Climbing Business Journal podcast, host Holly Chen sits down with Carly Snidow. Carly is a routesetter at Vital’s Lower East Side location in Manhattan, New York. She has been climbing for almost a decade, and her setting career started like many others—setting college climbing walls and bugging local routesetters. Now, Carly is a USAC Level 1 routesetter with a dozen competitions under her belt up to the divisionals level. She has set for several citizens' comps as well, including Siege the Southeast. Carly is also a coach and personal trainer. Prior to setting, Carly studied philosophy, neuroscience and psychology. She has extensive lab experience spanning multiple disciplines, from microbiology to behavioral neuroscience and developmental psychology. Carly brings that scientific lens to the show today, challenging how we think about goal setting and success in the routesetting field. General Topics Covered How the scientific method can inform routesetting  The most common success indicator for setters in climbing competitions: separation Breaking away from separation as the only success indicator What is inductive reasoning, and how does it relate to routesetting Process versus outcome-oriented goal setting How do process and outcome-oriented goal setting influence our perception in climbing and routesetting Show Notes Find Carly Snidow on Instagram Vital, Lower East Side Inductive Logic Hippocampal and amygdala volumes vary with residential proximity to toxicants at Birmingham, Alabama's 35th Avenue Superfund site Closing Notes If you’d like to nominate someone as a guest, have a topic you want to see us tackle, or have questions, we’d love for you to reach out.  The Impact Driver podcast is a production of the Climbing Business Journal. Today’s episode is sponsored by Butora and Essential Climbing. It was edited and produced by Holly Yu Tung Chen, Scott Rennak, and the team at CBJ. Our theme music is by Devin Dabney.

On this episode of the Climbing Business Journal Podcast, host Scott Rennak meets with Mark Grossman and Will Jorgensen of the Monument Sports Group. They manage the US Group Insurance Plan for our industry in partnership with the CWA, and they cover hundreds of climbing walls. Mark and Will have deep experience in facility operations. You'll hear on today’s show about their backgrounds, how they approach their insurance work, and the headwinds the indoor climbing industry is facing. General Topics Covered Monument Sports Group Company Background and Experience Industry-Specific Insurance Challenges Risk Management & Documentation Requirements Post-Pandemic Legal Environment Changes Routesetting Certification Evolution Auto Belay Safety & Technology Current Market & Political Factors Business Operations Support Show Notes CWA Insurance Program Monument Sports Group DOXA Thank you OnSite and Rock Gym Pro for your support! And thank you Devin Dabney for your music!

Obe Carrion is the guest of this episode of the Climbing Business Journal podcast, hosted by John Burgman. Obe has long been one of the biggest names in the game as a pro climber. Over the years, he has worked with multiple brands, and he's been in multiple climbing films, including the 1998’s Free Hueco! and 1999’s Rampage. He has been a coach, a mentor, and through all of the evolutions he has remained a force of nature in the climbing industry. John and Obe talk about Obe’s career and psych in climbing: how psych is never a constant, but how there can be value in it as an unknown, and in the way that motivation comes and goes and then comes back again eventually. Obe also reflects on climbing in the 1990s, the filming of that famous Rampage documentary—in which Chris Sharma stole the show at an X Games in San Francisco on this day, 26 years ago—hanging with Sharma, coaching the next generation, and evolving with the times. General Topics Covered Introduction and Obe's Background Career Decisions and Early Development Competition Scene and Mentorship Sponsorship and Professional Development Bouldering Boom, The Video Era Rampage Film Production Transition to Coaching Coaching Philosophy and Modern Climbing Industry Evolution Show Notes Find Obe Carrion on Instagram: @obe_carrion Rampage on YouTube Thank you Approach and Kilter for your support! And thank you Devin Dabney for your music!

Joey is the co-founder and owner of his own hold company, called Ocelot Grips, out of Oregon. But Ocelot Grips is the end product, or at least the current end, of many, many years of Joey working in the industry as a hold shaper. He has designed and shaped holds for a lot of different brands over the years. He gets into his story in more detail in this episode, but he also offers some fascinating insights on his artistic philosophy for shapes and how that works in conjunction with his philosophy for functionality in shapes. Because hold shaping is like routesetting in that sense; it’s partially an artistic craft as well as a utilitarian or commercial craft. Art, commerce, functionality—it's all wrapped up in the life of a hold shaper. And, as a longtime shaper and setter, Joey is a great guest for riffing on all of those finer points of the craft. General Topics Covered Introduction and Industry Status Joey's Background and Entry into Climbing Oregon's Significance to Hold Shaping Hold Design Philosophy and Learning Experiences Aesthetics vs. Function in Hold Design Founding Ocelot Grips Current Work and Future Plans Show Notes Ocelot Grips Ocelot Grips Instagram: @ocelotgrips Thank you EP Climbing and Rock Gym Pro for your support! And thank you Devin Dabney for your music!