

More Train, Less Pain; Engineering the Adaptable Athlete
Dr. Michelle Boland & Dr. Tim Richardt
The More Train, Less Pain podcast is hosted by Dr. Michelle Boland and Dr. Tim Richardt and is specifically designed around engineering the adaptable athlete. The podcast will bring you the most knowledgeable guests in the fields of strength and conditioning and physical therapy, as well as episodes consisting of topic “deep-dives”. Our aim is to elevate YOUR understanding as a movement professional, to give you the knowledge, and the tools to deliver an even better service to your people, whoever they may be.
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Oct 16, 2023 • 1h 1min
S3E6: David Grey- Making Sense of Persistent Pain with The Irish Wonder Boy
Today’s guest is friend of the podcast David Grey. David last visited Michelle and Tim back in February of 2022, where they discussed feet “out” during running, the merits of sensorimotor training, and the hilariousness of dachshunds or, as David calls them, sausage dogs. Hopefully you started following David thereafter, because he has simply blown up since then. Numerous product launches, delivering seminars, and growing his Instagram following to a staggering 135,000 as of this recording. If you’ve consumed any of his content, you hopefully understand why.
In Michelle and Tim’s estimation, there is no one currently in the industry doing a better job of breaking down posture, gait, respiration, and movement in a way that’s possible to understand without becoming derivative or algorithmic.
David is a thought leader in our field, which is why they were stoked to get him on to discuss various topics, such as, the utility (or lack thereof) of movement KPIs, negative transfer of barbell training, leading versus lagging measures of pain and performance, his work with an Olympic endurance athlete, biomechanical determinism versus nihilism, and much, much more.
Listen, subscribe, and tell your friends!
Contact Michelle: https://www.michelleboland-training.com/
Contact Tim: https://www.timrichardt.com/
Oct 9, 2023 • 1h 16min
S3E5: Dan Sanzo- Mr. Attention To Detail; The Consequences of High Performance
Michelle sits down with Dan Sanzo in a context-driven conversation to discuss working together and the consequences that come with high performance. Michelle sought out Dan’s help with her ultra running ‘performance induced discomfort consequences’ (that is copyrighted my friends) and you can hear all about their teamwork and training strategies! Dan Sanzo lays out his biomechanical lens as he dives into his assessment and interventions during each session with Michelle. They discuss the management of movement restrictions and reducing performance barriers to allow Michelle to run marathons, 50 milers, and upcoming 100 mile races. Listen, download, subscribe, and tell your friends...
Contact Michelle: https://www.michelleboland-training.com/
Contact Tim: https://www.timrichardt.com/
Oct 2, 2023 • 1h 16min
S3E4: Sam Leffers, LMHCA- Suffering Less and Improving Mindfulness with Chronic Achilles Pain
Tim sits down with Sam Leffers, a licensed mental health counseling associate based in Indianapolis, IN who helps clients with a broad variety of psychological ailments, including those suffering from anxiety or depression related to chronic pain. Additionally, he’s a runner who “walks the walk” in managing training, life, and his movement practice in the setting of fairly persistent left Achilles issues.
Although not a household name in our industry, Sam is a wealth of knowledge- acquired both personally and professionally- and together Tim and Sam dive into topics such as, why “tension” is the root of suffering, physical pain versus suffering, “fixing” someone versus establishing a therapeutic alliance, acceptance strategies, meditation and stimulus/response unpairing, and learning to appreciate and, dare I say “love”, your idiosyncratic movement and psychological compensations. Listen, subscribe, and tell your friends...
Contact Sam: https://www.samleffers.com
Contact Michelle: https://www.michelleboland-training.com/
Contact Tim: https://www.timrichardt.com/
Sep 25, 2023 • 56min
S3E3: Justin Rabinowitz- Managing the Pain in Business
Michelle sits down with Justin Rabinowitz to discuss learning from failures, setting expectations with clients and patients, and the importance of messaging. Rehab Chiropractor, published author, and entrepreneur, Justin Rabinowitz, is an encyclopedia for fitness and rehab professionals, teaching us all how to build world-class clinical excellence and business skills. Listen, download, subscribe, and tell your friends...
Contact Michelle: https://www.michelleboland-training.com/
Contact Tim: https://www.timrichardt.com/
Sep 18, 2023 • 1h 26min
S3E2: Jon Pope of BTE- What Military Selection Can Teach Us About Soldiering On In Cases Of Persistent Pain
In this second episode, Tim sits down with Jon Pope, founder of Building the Elite, a company with the sole focus of preparing military and tactical athletes for selection programs using the most up-to-date and effective training strategies possible. At first glance, this may seem like an odd conversation to have nested in a season that’s about chronic and persistent pain. However, the intent for having Jon on was to show just how much connective tissue exists between the strategies that tactical athletes employ to get through grueling physical tasks and the strategies athletes in chronic pain can leverage to get through life, training, and continue to push the boundaries of their fitness and physical existence. They discuss mindfulness, segmenting, compartmentalizing, self-talk, and learned optimism all in a quest to leave YOU with an improved understanding of what military preparation has to offer athletes of all types.
Contact Michelle: https://www.michelleboland-training.com/
Contact Tim: https://www.timrichardt.com/
Sep 11, 2023 • 52min
S3E1: Fitness in the Setting of Persistent Pain
Michelle and Tim are back! After a long and eventful hiatus, the dynamic duo return. And this time, they’re on a very specific, season-long quest. A quest to learn (and teach) all they can about maintaining- and even improving- fitness in the context of chronic/persistent pain. During this first episode, they delve into the “why” behind this season’s motif, common misconceptions about chronic/persistent pain, and some actionable insights into treating, training, and managing clients that have musculoskeletal pain that simply refuses to abate. Listen, download, subscribe, and tell your friends...
Contact Michelle: https://www.michelleboland-training.com/
Contact Tim: https://www.timrichardt.com/
Apr 25, 2022 • 53min
S2E12: Top 3 Takeaways from Season 2: What we steal from our GUESTS and IMPLEMENT into our own PRACTICE
Tim and Michelle pop open the champagne and celebrate the completion of Season 2 by summarizing their biggest takeaways! Season 2 guests dropped off some knowledge bombs, and today we are turning them into actionable implementation strategies. Topics discussed today include, the dichotomy of perspective, the importance of having a biomechanical model, “adaptation” training versus “learning” training, inhibition before facilitation, and much, much more.
Thank you all for listening to Season 2 and if you loved it, you are going to dig this episode!
Listen, download, subscribe, and tell your friends...
Connect with Michelle & Tim:
Instagram @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
MTLP wants to give a HUGE THANK YOU to our Season 2 sponsor, ANCORE. Use code MTLP at checkout and save 10% off the ANCORE PRO https://ancoretraining.com/
Apr 18, 2022 • 1h 16min
S2E10: Attuning, Perception of Biomechanics, Self Obstruction, Manual Inputs, and Energy Crystals with Dr. Seth Oberst
Michelle & Tim cleared their schedule and summoned Seth out of the sauna to chat about the ultimate coaching and therapy tools. We dive into attuning, the perception of biomechanics, self obstruction, manual inputs, practical application, and the benefits of being predictable.
If you enjoyed it, it’d mean the world to Tim and Michelle if you can subscribe, review, or share what they’re doing here. Links of Interest:
https://sethoberst.com/about/
Instagram @sethoberst
Related Content:
Tim Ferris episode #492 with Richard Schwartz
Connect with Michelle & Tim:
Instagram @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
MTLP is sponsored by ANCORE. Use code MTLP at checkout and save 10% off the ANCORE PRO https://ancoretraining.com/
Apr 11, 2022 • 50min
S2E11: Swinging the Fitness Industry Pendulum with Michelle & Tim
We have all heard the phrases, “just get stronger”, “conditioning will kill your gains”, “breathing is the only thing that matters”, “machines are the only way to lift”, “you have to get neutral before you lift”.
Where do these extreme viewpoints come from and how do they influence the Physical Therapy and Fitness industry?
Join Michelle and Tim as they dive into the Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis Model of how we get HOOKED on a new industry opinion.
Show Notes:
David Grey
Mike Boyle
Joel Smith
Pat Davidson
Erik Huddleston
Postural Restoration Institute
Mike Camporini
Eric Schmidt
David Grey Episode #2 with Joel Smith
Connect with Michelle & Tim:
Instagram @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
MTLP is sponsored by ANCORE. Use code MTLP at checkout and save 10% off the ANCORE PRO https://ancoretraining.com/
Apr 4, 2022 • 1h 26min
S2E9: Movement Solutions, Content Marketing, & Training Tim with Lance Goyke
If you think that all movement needs to be improved via laying-on-the-ground positional breathing drills, think again. There are myriad ways to improve a client’s movement to improve fitness outcomes while sidestepping pain, and our guest today is an expert in ‘em all. Join Michelle and Tim as they sit down with Lance Goyke, remote trainer, site developer, and content marketer extraordinaire!
They discuss the absolute joy that training Tim was (for both Lance and Michelle), how to approach training and fitness when dealing with chronic and persistent pain, improving position and movement with local muscular endurance and systemic conditioning work, and navigating the thorny world of developing an online presence as an up-and-coming trainer.
Lance is a truly unique mind when it comes to bridging the seemingly disparate gaps between anatomy, biomechanics, psychology, marketing, and technology. Enjoy the episode!
Show Notes:
LanceGoyke.com
TheMovementSeminar.com
Michelle’s Jefferson DB IG Post
ZacCupples.com
Mastering.Fitness
Email Lance at lance@lancegoyke.com
Connect with Michelle & Tim:
Instagram @dr.michelleboland @tim_richardt_dpt
MTLP is sponsored by ANCORE. Use code MTLP at checkout and save 10% off the ANCORE PRO https://ancoretraining.com/


