

Makerspace
Sam Burrows & CEN
Makerspace is a podcast run by Christian Education National, a network of Christian schools across Australia.Find out more about us at https://cen.edu.auHosted by Sam Burrows
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Aug 10, 2025 • 36min
Tenielle Neda: The Way of Love - Album Showcase
This episode is a bit different! A little while ago I got to speak with Tenielle Neda, a Christian singer songwriter from Western Australia. Tenielle has just released her new album, The Way of Love.This chat is a chance to showcase some of her new music, but also talk about some of her journey, from appearing on Australian Idol, to making the music she does now. We talk through some of the songs, and talk about the role of worship music in context of the wider genre.Check out her album here: https://open.spotify.com/album/27B6xYGSZ31DjV0XXqeerp?si=a7hjuXahR5KvNPf6R2ZKIwhttps://www.tenielleneda.com

Jun 9, 2025 • 46min
Dr Chris Marshall on restorative justice, shame and atonement theology
This week I get to speak to Dr Chris Marshall, a pioneering scholar working in the intersection of biblical theology and restorative justice. Chris has worked as a New Testament lecturer and lecturer in religious studies. He’s also worked with those involved in the criminal justice system and is the author of 7 books.In this conversation we talk about restorative justice, shame, and atonement theology. A key point we hone in on, is that there is a variety of language and metaphors that get used in the New Testament to explain what was achieved on the cross, but often we can get stuck only using the judicial language of punishment, rather than all the other language like adoption or new birth. When we focus only on this language it can perpetuate cycles of shame.

May 26, 2025 • 45min
Mark Barnard on theology and indigenous engagement
This week I got to have a conversation with Mark Barnard, an Anglican priest and educator from Auckland, New Zealand. Alongside his church leadership role, Mark is also employed by the Karuwhā Trust, an educational organisation focusing on telling New Zealand’s bicultural story.This is an important conversation that explores engaging in indigenous thought well, addressing different ways of seeing the world and approaching spirituality. This is a conversation about thinking this through in a New Zealand context, but perhaps that allows for more scope of thought rather than feeling like we’re being prescriptive. There are a couple of words that Mark uses quite a bit that might be helpful to know for the conversation- "Te Reo" refers to the Māori language, "tangata whenua" means “people of the land” and refers to Māori people, and "Pākehā" is the Māori word for those of European descent.

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May 11, 2025 • 1h 5min
Dr Christa McKirland on power and authority
Dr. Christa McKirland, Dean of Faculty at Carey Baptist College and a theologian with a PhD from St Andrews, dives into the complexities of power and authority in Christian leadership. She critiques contemporary issues like scandals and cultural perceptions of authority, while emphasizing a theology grounded in Christ's model of servant leadership. Christa also examines women’s roles in the early church, offering insights on scripture interpretations and the impact of cultural biases. Her vision for leadership promotes shared agency and a familial approach to ecclesiology.

Apr 27, 2025 • 40min
Grafton Tanner on Foreverism and Nostalgia
In this episode I got to speak with Grafton Tanner. Grafton is an American author and academic. His work focuses on Big Tech, nostalgia, neo-liberalism, and education. He is the author of books, Babbling Corpse, The Circle of the Snake, The Hours Have lost their clock, and more recently, Foreverism. In this conversation we chat about our culture's current obsession with nostalgia in media, politics and literature. We talk about how our current cultural mood is one that doesn't want to look a the future and so plunders the past and tries to expand the present. We touch on the internet, "retrobaiting", time and a concept at the heart of his new book, Foreverism.

Apr 13, 2025 • 51min
Lynn Swaner on Flourishing Christian Education
In this episode I get to speak with Dr. Lynn Swaner. Lyn is the President of Cardus, a think tank in the states to dedicated to strengthening institutions for the common good. She is the editor or lead author of numerous books, including Future Ready, MindShift, and Flourishing Together. She holds a doctorate in organizational leadership and is a good friend of CEN, having spoken at a number of our conferences.We covered a lot of ground in this conversation, from a Christian understanding of flourishing to innovation and the place of research. We also talk about what it means for a Christian school to be distinctive and a core question that she talks about to help them stay on mission: what does love require?

Mar 30, 2025 • 40min
Jesus and the Powers with Michael Bird
Michael is an Australian biblical scholar, Anglican priest, and the Deputy Principal of Ridley College in Melbourne. He is the author of over thirty books including his latest one, Jesus and the Powers, cowritten with N.T. Wright. In this conversation, we continue in our discussion around difference by unpacking his new book, exploring nationalism, current cultural tensions, power, and veggie tales ethics.

Mar 16, 2025 • 53min
Mission drift and leadership with Kara Martin
In this episode I ask Kara Martin questions based on her book, "Keeping Faith: How Christian organizations can stay true to the way of Jesus." We talk about power, mission drift, leadership beyond niceness, risky faithfulness and how organisations can meaningfully enact grace, forgiveness and confession. There is a lot here for school leaders to mull over, so it could be a good one to share!Here's a link to the book:https://amzn.asia/d/3IUV5gz

Mar 2, 2025 • 48min
Biblical Critical Theory with Chris Watkin
This week we have some time with Chris Watkin, lecturer and researcher at Monash University. He is also the author of the award winning book, Biblical Critical Theory. This book explores how the bible shapes our imaginations and cuts across many of the binaries that exist in our culture today. In this conversation we talk about what we usually mean by critical theory, what it means to have a prophetic imagination and what it might mean that ultimate reality is personal. We’re looking forward to hosting Chris at our AGM in March, but for now, here’s my conversation with him as an appetiser.

Feb 16, 2025 • 46min
Jesus and Immigration with Dr Matthew Kaemingk
In this first episode, we jump straight into the current tensions around difference in regard to immigration with Dr Matthew Kaemingk. Matthew is a Christian ethicist and public theologian lecturing at Fuller theological seminary. We’re actually going to be hosting him at our CEN executive conference in March, and in this conversation I ask a lot of questions based on his book “Christian hospitality and Muslim immigration.” He also hosts his own podcast, "Zealots at the Gate" linked below:https://open.spotify.com/show/5E9hQeCbLXoVp4wvjKHRNF?si=fdee682831d34d90


