

Power of Ten with Andy Polaine
Power of Ten with Andy Polaine
In the Power of Ten podcast, Andy Polaine talks to guests from a broad range of disciplines about the intersection of design, technology, psychology, organisations, culture and society. The show looks at how design operates at many levels and in many forms, from thoughtful detail through organisational transformation to the changes in society and the world.
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Sep 20, 2023 • 57min
S3 Ep5: Dr Pierce Otlhogile-Gordon – The Space Between Transformation and Liberation
Power of Ten is a podcast hosted by Andy Polaine about design operating at many levels, zooming out from thoughtful detail through to organisational transformation and on to changes in society and the world.My guest in this episode is Dr Pierce Otlhogile-Gordon, known as Doctor OG, an innovation catalyst, researcher, facilitator, and evaluator, based in Botswana. Pierce is impassioned by the space between transformation and liberation, and researches the complexity, evaluation, and emergence of design and innovation across the world.Here we explore what that space between transformation and liberation actually is, the issues of power dynamics of politics in design, and why Human-Centred Design (HCD) can often exacerbate problems as opposed to being their solution.Show LinksThis show's web pagePierce
Moving Beyond
Equity Intuition Lab
Pierce on LinkedIn
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Jun 29, 2023 • 51min
S3 Ep4: Sheryl Cababa – Systems Thinking for Designers
Power of Ten is a podcast hosted by Andy Polaine about design operating at many levels, zooming out from thoughtful detail through to organisational transformation and on to changes in society and the world.My guest in this episode is Sheryl Cababa, author of Closing the Loop: Systems Thinking for Designers. Sheryl is a design researcher and strategist, and is the chief strategy officer at Substantial, a research insights and development studio based in Seattle. Her practice is focused on systems thinking and equity center design, and she’s worked with a diverse base of clients, including the Gates Foundation, Microsoft, Ikea, and Khan Academy.Show LinksThis show's web pageSheryl
Sheryl on LinkedIn
Sheryl at Substantial
Sheryl on Twitter
Closing the Loop: Systems Thinking for Designers
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May 4, 2023 • 51min
S3 Ep3: Alex Schmidt – Deliberate Intervention
Power of Ten is a podcast hosted by Andy Polaine about design operating at many levels, zooming out from thoughtful detail through to organisational transformation and on to changes in society and the world.My guest in this episode is Alex Schmidt, author of Deliberate Intervention: Using Policy and Design to Blunt the Harms of New Technology.Alex has pursued interests in public service and design through different avenues over her career. As an award-winning reporter and producer for NPR and others, she covered arts, business, technology, and urban development. Alex has published work in The New Yorker and The Los Angeles Times , among other outlets. Her writing about UX, privacy, and other design topics has appeared in A List Apart and The Columbia Journalism Review.As a researcher, strategist, and UX designer, Alex has worked both for agencies and in the public sector. Her greatest interest lies in the wicked problems inherent in enterprise design and the mysterious ways of large systems.Show LinksThis show's web pageAlex
Alex on LinkedIn
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Alex’s personal website
Deliberate Intervention book
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Mar 23, 2023 • 57min
S3 Ep2: Abby Covert – Stuck? Diagrams Help.
Power of Ten is a podcast hosted by Andy Polaine about design operating at many levels, zooming out from thoughtful detail through to organisational transformation and on to changes in society and the world.My guest in this episode is the wonderful Abby Covert, an author, teacher and community leader in the field of information architecture who aims to make information architecture and sensemaking skills accessible to everyone.Abby’s first book, How to Make Sense of Any Mess, demystified information architecture into a practical skillset that anyone can apply to any context where sense might need to be made. She recently published her second book, Stuck? Diagrams Help a field guide for the trek from diagram novice to diagram nerd.Show LinksThis show's web pageAbby
Abby’s website
Stuck? Diagrams Help
How to Make Sense of Any Mess
Abby’s Etsy shop
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Feb 6, 2023 • 44min
S3 Ep1: Natalie Dunbar – From Solo to Scaled
Power of Ten is a podcast hosted by Andy Polaine about design operating at many levels, zooming out from thoughtful detail through to organisational transformation and on to changes in society and the world.
My guest in this episode is Natalie Dunbar, UX-focused content strategist with a unique blend of skills as a journalist, content writer, and user experience researcher. Natalie excels in balancing the creation of delightful user experiences with strategic content that supports the needs of a business or organization. She is author of the newly released Rosenfeld Media book, From Solo to Scaled: Building a Sustainable Content Strategy Practice.
Here Natalie talks about the various flavours and roles of content, the challenges and key inflection points as content teams scale.
Thanks to Rosenfeld Media, listeners can get Natalie’s book at 20% off the purchase price when you purchase directly from them using the code, POWEROFTENSTS.
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Women Talk Design
The Content Strategy Los Angeles meetup group.
Natalie's book - From Solo to Scaled: Building a Sustainable Content Strategy Practice.
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Oct 26, 2022 • 47min
S2 Ep28: Jason Mesut - Shaping Design
Power of Ten is a podcast hosted by Andy Polaine about design operating at many levels, zooming out from thoughtful detail through to organisational transformation and on to changes in society and the world.
My guest in this episode is Jason Mesut who many know from IXDA conferences and his writing on Medium, particularly Shaping Design. Here we talk about design's role in helping cope with the complex wicked problems facing us, design leadership, design teams and how they self-reflect, direct their future and develop others.
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Shaping Design
Resonant
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Sep 27, 2022 • 48min
S2 Ep27: Joff Outlaw - The Art of Engagement
Power of Ten is a podcast hosted by Andy Polaine about design operating at many levels, zooming out from thoughtful detail through to organisational transformation and on to changes in society and the world.My guest in this episode is my friend and ex-colleague, Joff Outlaw, Managing Director of DesignIt for Australia and New Zealand, having taken over from Katja Forbes who was on the show a few months ago.Joff has led design and consulting teams across the UK and Australia, with project work spanning across all industry verticals. He has a passion for Design, CX consulting and building successful and happy teams. Here Joff talks about his key passion of helping clients through the sales process, which means taking the the time to truly understand an organisation’s short term and long term goals. And why he hates sourdough.Show LinksThis show's web pageJoff
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DesignIt
The Perfect Sourdough
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Jul 15, 2022 • 45min
S2 Ep26: KA McKercher - Beyond Sticky Notes
Power of Ten is a podcast hosted by Andy Polaine about design operating at many levels, zooming out from thoughtful detail through to organisational transformation and on to changes in society and the world.My guest in this episode is KA McKercher, a designer and writer living on Aboriginal land in Australia. They have over 10 years experience leading social innovation and co-design approaches across Australia and New Zealand, previously working as Principal at The Australian Centre of Social Innovation, the Innovation Unit and the NSW government. Most recently KA has gone independent offering service design and co-design training, coaching, resources and support for senior leaders.Show LinksThis show's web pageKA
Beyond Sticky Notes
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Jun 22, 2022 • 50min
S2 Ep25: Seb Chan - Looking Backwards to the Future
Power of Ten is a podcast hosted by Andy Polaine about design operating at many levels, zooming out from thoughtful detail through to organisational transformation and on to changes in society and the world.My guest in this episode is Seb Chan, Chief Experience Officer at ACMI - the Australian Centre for the Moving Image in Melbourne - championing human centred design approaches across the museum. Prior to ACMI, Seb led the digital renewal and transformation of the Cooper Hewitt Smithsonian Design Museum in New York (2011–15) and the Powerhouse Museum’s pioneering work in open access, mass collaboration and digital experience during the 2000s. He's also Adjunct Professor, School of Media and Communications, in the College of Design and Social Context at RMIT.In this episode we talk about Seb's work, but also some of the history of interactive media that informs our views and understanding of where the state of the art is today.Show LinksThis show's web pageSeb
Seb on Medium
Seb's site, Fresh and New
Most of which is now a newsletter
Seb on LinkedIn
Seb on Twitter
ACMI
The Robin Sloan piece Seb mentions
The backstory on the Cooper Hewitt interactivity
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May 6, 2022 • 47min
S2 Ep24: Thejus Chakravarthy – Make Work Suck Less
Power of Ten is a podcast hosted by Andy Polaine about design operating at many levels, zooming out from thoughtful detail through to organisational transformation and on to changes in society and the world.My guest in this episode is Thejus Chakravarthy, an operational consultant that focuses on people, process, and technology, in that order. Currently, he says he has his hands full as the full-time COO of one company and a C-suite consultant for another. His primary focus is on how we can make work suck less. To that end, he spent 15 years designing instructional systems, the last 5 years expanding into operational systems, and wrote Brushfire and The Flywheel and The Lever.In this episode we talk about why operations is the place to make the structural changes in organisations to make work suck less and why systems thinking is the underlying key to it all.Show LinksShow homepage and transcriptsThejus
Thejus’s website
Thejus’s newsletter, Hircinous
Brushfire
The Flywheel and The Lever
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