

The Chad & Cheese Podcast
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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.
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Dec 16, 2024 • 35min
Firing Squad Illoominus' Noelle London
In this episode of The Chad and Cheese podcast, Noelle London, founder and CEO of Illoominus, discusses her AI-powered people intelligence platform designed to integrate and analyze HR data. She shares insights on the challenges of dirty data, the importance of strategic partnerships, and the competitive landscape in HR technology. The conversation also covers funding strategies, the role of Techstars, and how Illoominus aims to provide actionable insights for HR leaders to make informed decisions.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Illoominus and Noelle London03:36 Pitching Illuminus: The AI-Powered People Intelligence Platform08:10 Funding and Growth: Navigating the Financial Landscape12:35 Understanding the HR Tech Landscape and Leadership14:31 Data Integration: The Key to Effective HR Solutions17:02 Competition in the HR Tech Space20:43 Sales and Marketing Strategies for Growth24:11 Defining Quality of Hire: A Complex Challenge26:30 Direct Sales vs. Partnerships: Future Strategies28:59 Identifying Threats and Opportunities in the Market31:32 Facing the Firing Squad: Final Thoughts and Insights

Dec 13, 2024 • 45min
Meta, Microsoft, and Google Go Nuclear
In this episode of the Chad and Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel and Chad discuss a variety of topics ranging from personal anecdotes about pets and sleep deprivation to the unsettling news about drones in New Jersey. They delve into the implications of workplace stress and corporate responses, highlighting a controversial case of a company firing employees due to stress. The conversation shifts to the role of AI in recruitment and marketing, followed by a light-hearted update on their fantasy football league. Finally, they explore the impact of AI in education, particularly through the Khanmigo platform, which aims to assist teachers and personalize learning for students. In this conversation, the hosts explore various themes including the historical perspectives on controversial figures, the impact of AI on job markets, the challenges of hiring practices, the future of nuclear energy, and the uncertain future of TikTok in America. They discuss how AI is reshaping narratives and job searches, the importance of soft skills in hiring, and the potential of nuclear energy to meet rising energy demands. The conversation also touches on the political and economic implications surrounding TikTok's future in the U.S.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Personal Anecdotes03:07 - Drones and Warfare: A New Era06:01 - Workplace Stress and Corporate Responses09:04 - AI in Recruitment and Marketing12:03 - Fantasy Football Update14:47 - AI in Education: Khanmigo's Impact20:49 - Historical Perspectives on Controversial Figures22:00 - AI and Historical Narratives22:42 - Job Market Innovations and Challenges27:46 - Evaluating Soft Skills in Hiring33:58 - The Future of Nuclear Energy41:04 - The Uncertain Future of TikTok in America

Dec 12, 2024 • 6min
Shredded: Paradox, iCIMS, Korn Ferry, HiringBranch, Pin, WhatJobs, Omni HR, Famm & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Dec 11, 2024 • 51min
Chris Forman
In this episode of the Chad and Cheese podcast, hosts Joel Cheeseman and Chad Soash welcome Chris Foreman, founder and outgoing CEO of AppCast. The conversation covers Chris's background, the evolution of AppCast, its market position, and the state of the job board industry. Chris shares insights on the importance of performance advertising, the challenges faced by job boards, and the dynamics of partnerships with major players like Indeed and StepStone. The discussion highlights the need for innovation and adaptability in the recruitment technology space. In this conversation, Chris discusses the dynamics of business ownership and relationships, particularly in the context of AppCast's acquisition by StepStone. He emphasizes the importance of strategic acquisitions and how they align with customer needs. The discussion also delves into the current state of programmatic job advertising, highlighting challenges in user experience and the competitive landscape. Chris shares insights on future directions for the industry and reflects on his leadership transition as he prepares to step down as CEO.Chapters00:00 - Introduction to Chris Foreman and AppCast04:50 - The Evolution of AppCast and Its Market Position10:35 - Go-to-Market Strategy and Timing for Success14:25 - State of the Job Board Industry22:11 -Insights on Indeed and StepStone30:39 - Navigating Business Relationships and Ownership Dynamics36:02 - Strategic Acquisitions and Market Positioning40:17 - The State of Programmatic Job Advertising54:39 - Future Directions and Leadership TransitionsKeywordsAppCast, Chris Forman, job boards, recruitment technology, market strategy, performance advertising, HR industry, job marketplace, hiring trends, business insights, business relationships, acquisitions, programmatic advertising, job market, leadership transitions, stepstone, Bayard advertising, indeed.com,

Dec 11, 2024 • 13min
Navigating DEI's Shifting Landscape in Recruitment
From the Shaker Green Room at RecFest USA, Julie Sowash, executive director of Disability Solutions, survived Chad & Cheese’s snarkapalooza to talk AI ethics, data transparency, and why hiring underrepresented talent is more than a checkbox exercise. She preached the gospel of blending tech with human connection (shocking, we know) and reminded companies that “diversity commitment” isn’t code for “nice press release.”Julie also spilled on how 2024’s economic rollercoaster crushed some dreams but made strategic DEI even more essential. Oh, and she managed to keep things heartfelt, even shouting out her co-host/husband, Chad — proving love can survive even that much sarcasm.Here are the episode chapters:0:00:00 - Podcast Intro0:00:25 - Meet Julie Sowash0:01:03 - Key Advice for TA Leaders0:02:21 - DEI Commitments vs. Corporate Retreats0:03:46 - Ethical AI in Recruiting0:05:34 - 2024 Market Surprises0:07:42 - Overcoming DEI Implementation Hurdles0:09:04 - Looking Ahead to 2025

Dec 9, 2024 • 10min
Targeting Candidates with AI and LLMs
Welcome back to HR's Most Dangerous Podcast, where Chad and Joel serve up spicy takes and recruiting truths hotter than a Nashville summer. This week, they wrangle Courtney Dempsey, the tech-savvy maestro behind Southern Rock Restaurants’ hiring empire. With 160 restaurants and a hiring strategy sharper than a deli slicer, Courtney spills the secret sauce: targeting job seekers while the rest of us are dreaming about tacos at 3 AM.Hear how she uses LLMs like they’re her personal AI attack dogs, outsmarts bigger competitors with zero chill, and recruits AARP members because, frankly, Gen Z already got their fill of side hustles. If you’re not advertising your dishwashing gigs like prime-time Super Bowl spots, you’re doing it wrong.So, grab your headphones and brace yourself. By the end, you’ll either want to revolutionize your hiring strategy or question all your life choices... possibly both. And remember, in this game, speed kills. But in HR? It also hires.Warning: Side effects of listening include spontaneous outbursts of laughter, strategic epiphanies, and reconsidering your entire recruitment budget. Proceed with caution.

Dec 6, 2024 • 48min
Rippling Snakes Deel
In this episode of The Chad and Cheese podcast, Joel and Chad discuss various topics including their experiences with Chipotle and the implementation of Paradox, the impressive growth of their podcast as highlighted by Spotify's year-end wrap-up, the rise of social commerce particularly through TikTok, and the potential for LinkedIn to enhance job applications through video content.They also touch on LinkedIn's recent layoffs and speculate on the future of ERE and its SourceCon conference. In this conversation, Chad and Joel reflect on the evolution of the recruitment industry, particularly focusing on the ERE conference and its decline. They discuss the changing landscape of sourcing, the competitive dynamics between Rippling and Deel, and the implications of AI in healthcare. The conversation also touches on Walmart's recent shift in DEI policies and the booming success of OnlyFans as a content platform.Chapters00:00 - Introduction and Weather Check02:45 - Chipotle Experience and Paradox Implementation04:19 - Spotify Year-End Wrap-Up and Podcast Growth06:33 - Demographics and Audience Engagement07:55 -Social Commerce and TikTok Shopping10:04 - LinkedIn's Potential in Video Job Applications15:50 - LinkedIn Layoffs and Future Outlook18:01 - Gossip on ERE and SourceCon18:34 - Nostalgia for ERE: The Rise and Fall22:34 - The Evolution of Sourcing and SourceCon30:29 - Rippling vs. Deel: The Competitive Landscape33:14 - AI in Healthcare: The Future of Diagnosis38:26 - Walmart's Shift in DEI Policies45:32 - OnlyFans: The New Frontier of Content Creation

Dec 5, 2024 • 7min
Shredded: Beamery, Uber, LinkedIn, Vinter, Popp AI, CoachHub, AdventageClub.ai, Talentium & More
The Shred is a weekly roundup of who’s raised funds, who’s getting acquired and who’s on the move in the world of recruitment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

Dec 4, 2024 • 26min
If It Ain't Broke, Break It with General Honoré
Brace yourselves: The Chad & Cheese Podcast is back, this time with retired Lieutenant General Russell L. Honoré—who proves you can train and lead half a million troops and drop some epic truth bombs on HR, AI, and America’s obsession with cheap stuff.In this spicy episode, we cover:
HR Meets Boot Camp: General Honoré schools us on why leading people isn’t about asking, “You’re good, right?” and walking off like a clueless middle manager.
Robots Can’t Cook Gumbo: Automation might make life easier, but it’s not making you a killer bowl of Cajun deliciousness—or fixing that flat tire you’re whining about.
Recruitment Woes: From the Army’s “12 teeth rule” (yes, you read that right) to recruiting Gen Z kids glued to their phones, the General doesn’t hold back on what needs fixing.
Boomers vs. Gen Z: Growing up poor meant fixing TVs with tinfoil and watching The Lone Ranger without a picture. Now? Kids need a new flat screen if the remote has dust on it.
Mental Health Wake-Up Call: Spoiler alert: If your employee mentions seeing floating elephants, maybe don’t just tell them to get back to work.
Sprinkled with Honoré’s signature wit, biting honesty, and a dose of “adapt-or-die” wisdom, this episode delivers laughs, snark, and some much-needed perspective on leadership in a rapidly changing world.Strap in, folks—it’s time to break things (figuratively) and rebuild smarter.Chapters:00:00 - Intro: HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast01:21 - Leadership Lessons from the Army02:25 - The Art of Listening to Troops03:20 - Managing Half a Million Troops08:33 - Automation’s Impact on Society12:05 - The Changing Economy and Workforce15:16 - Adapt or Die: Breaking What’s Not Broken17:04 - Recruiting Challenges: Then vs. Now20:36 - Addressing Mental Health in Leadership22:12 - Closing Thoughts: People Over Profits

Dec 2, 2024 • 10min
The Evolving World of Recruitment Marketing and Employer Branding
John Graham, Shaker’s VP of Employer Brand Strategy, hit RecFest USA with a mic drop on recruitment marketing and employer branding as we careen into 2025. His talk? A mix of AI hype, DEI drama, and a reality check for those clinging to the idea of "jobs for life" like it's still 1985.Graham’s big reveal: employer branding is less about forever and more about for now, pivoting to a launchpad for career development instead of a golden handshake into retirement. He also dove into AI, calling it both the hero and potential villain of recruitment. Sure, it’s reshaping strategies faster than you can say "algorithmic bias," but Graham threw some shade on humanity, pointing out that we’re not exactly bias-free either. His advice? Play nice with AI but keep an eye on it—like a toddler with scissors.DEI got a spotlight too, but not without acknowledging the current rebrand it’s enduring thanks to political tug-of-wars and corporate-level ghosting. He tied it all up with a forecast for 2024 tech trends: automation, AI, and video storytelling are set to dominate, but the focus will still be on keeping things human-centered. (Spoiler: robots are cool, but people still like people.)And if that wasn’t enough, Graham’s closer was basically a call-to-action to stalk—er, network with—Shaker online. Updated website, LinkedIn, the works. Because nothing says "modern employer branding" like a shameless plug.


