The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast

Most entrepreneurs don't burn out because the business gets too hard — they burn out because they never stopped being the operator. In this keynote, recorded live at the LeanScaper Operations Intensive in Cape Coral, Florida, Dwayne Kerrigan makes the case that the real battle isn't strategic, it's psychological. Until you understand the most powerful force in the human condition, no framework, system, or tool will save you. In this episode: Dwayne breaks down the operator's mindset vs. the owner's mindset — and why operators get tired while owners get rich Why your purpose has to be large enough to keep you out of "the tyranny of how" — the trap that pulls owners back into the weeds The identity principle Dwayne calls the single most important lesson from 10+ years at Tony Robbins' side: the most powerful force in the human condition is to remain congruent with how we identify ourselves The event–meaning–emotion–behavior chain, and how changing the meaning you attach to an event changes your results How physiology, language, and focus (the triad) function as your meaning-making filter — and how to use them to access empowering states more consistently Episode Highlights:  00:00 - Purpose Over How 00:27 - Podcast Welcome 00:59 - Event Introduction 02:53 - Dwayne Takes Stage 04:12 - Finding The Why 05:40 - Mentors And Lessons 08:58 - Business Root Causes 11:55 - Operator Vs Owner 14:48 - Core Values And Purpose 19:37 - Identity Drives Action 21:20 - Bus Fight Identity Shift 24:14 - Reframing a Past Bully 25:17 - Identity and No Negotiation 25:51 - Procrastination Becomes Identity 27:47 - Event Meaning Emotion Loop 31:34 - The Triad Explained 32:45 - Physiology Power Positions 36:31 - Energy Thermostat and Mirroring 40:47 - Language Questions Shape Reality 45:21 - Focus Habits and Meaning 47:49 - Closing Thanks and Disclaimer Resources Mentioned: The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People — Stephen Covey Keith Cunningham — referenced as the "Rich Dad" in Robert Kiyosaki's Rich Dad Poor Dad Tony Robbins — Platinum Partners immersion program Simon Sinek — referenced in the context of finding your why John Grinder — creator of NLP, mirroring and matching technique LMN (Landscape Management Network) — referenced by Dwayne and Mark Bradley Quotes: “Taking your passion and turning it into a business is usually not a good wealth strategy.” - Dwayne Kerrigan “If you stand like this for 10 minutes a day, it will increase your testosterone 20%. You can look this up. This is true 20%. It'll increase your testosterone. If you stand like this, it will reduce your cortisol from anywhere from 23 to 25% and it will increase the odds of you being able to make a decision by 33%.” - Dwayne Kerrigan “I'm in the ground and I'm down there and I'm like, and I remember thinking, and through the course of this whole thing, this whole event, is that I am never, ever going to get beaten up again. "From that day forward, I started working out…” - Dwayne Kerrigan  “The most powerful force in the human condition is to remain congruent with how we identify ourselves.” - Dwayne Kerrigan “Change the meaning, change the emotion, change your life.” - Dwayne Kerrigan “Operators get tired and owners get rich.” - Dwayne Kerrigan  Connect with Dwayne Kerrigan Facebook Instagram Linked In Website Disclaimer: The views, information, or opinions expressed by guests during The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Dwayne Kerrigan and his affiliates. Dwayne Kerrigan or The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of any of the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional or specialist before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast. 

In Part 2 of this powerful conversation on The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast, Adel Sayegh shares the deeper chapters of his entrepreneurial journey — including betrayal in business, a life-threatening health crisis, and the resilience required to rebuild both physically and professionally.After helping grow a company from the ground up to more than 1,200 employees, Adel watched it eventually go public for billions of dollars without receiving anything himself. For many people, an experience like that could lead to lasting bitterness. Instead, Adel chose a different path — one rooted in forgiveness and perspective.But the challenges didn’t stop there.Adel also opens up about facing a serious illness that forced him to confront his own mortality and rethink what success truly means. Through that experience, he rebuilt his health, refocused his priorities, and ultimately emerged stronger than before.Today, Adel reflects on how adversity — whether in business, health, or life — can become the foundation for growth. His story is a powerful reminder that success isn’t just about wealth or status, but about resilience, forgiveness, and the ability to keep moving forward even after life’s most difficult setbacks.Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Opening quote on forgiveness and harboring hatred00:25 - Show intro and welcome back to Part 201:28 - Building a global security empire and the China partnership betrayal03:58 - How RFID technology revolutionized retail loss prevention06:10 - Facial recognition's secret use in catching shoplifters09:08 - GPS chips in pharmaceutical bottles to track stolen opioids10:45 - The Ring camera Super Bowl commercial backlash14:22 - Microchip technology debate - child safety vs. privacy20:15 - Diagnosed with pancreatic cancer at 49 while at the peak of success42:38 - Surviving the night when doctors said he wouldn't - and his wife's unconditional love46:50 - Discovering the company was embezzled while fighting for his life1:06:18 - Choosing forgiveness over prosecution and finding peace1:12:10 - From discipline-driven to commitment-driven; a philosophical shift on purpose1:17:00 - The Unbroken Foundation mission to end child trafficking1:29:15 - Closing prayer and final words of encouragementKey Takeaways:True peace is impossible while holding onto hatred or resentment.Forgiveness is often more about healing yourself than the other person.Building a global company requires persistence, trust, and innovation.Financial success alone does not guarantee fulfillment or peace.Perspective and resilience help transform betrayal into growth.Quotes:“You can't have a hundred percent peace if you are harboring hatred on anyone.” - Adel Sayegh“I don't approve what they do.” - Adel Sayegh“I don't have them in my life, but I've forgave them because that was also medicine for me.” - Adel Sayegh“ I never even dreamed of, you know, growing up a little kid immigrant from Jordan that I would have, the lifestyle that I would have.” - Adel Sayegh“On a marketing level that’s about as bad as the Bud Light commercial.” - Dwayne Kerrigan“Your story is unbelievable. You are an example of evolution and grace and commitment to the values and beliefs and faith that you have.” - Dwayne KerriganAdel Sayegh’s story is one of grit, grace, and perseverance. From humble beginnings in his garage, he built a company that reached a $1 billion valuation. A Marine Corps veteran and pancreatic cancer survivor, Adel has overcome tremendous adversity, shaping his mission to use every challenge as a platform to serve others. His unwavering faith in God has been the cornerstone of his journey, grounding him through both triumphs and storms. Today, Adel speaks to entrepreneurs, leaders, and dreamers, challenging them to rise above adversity, pursue excellence, and live with purpose. His message of resilience, faith, and hope leaves a lasting imprint on audiences, calling them to embrace challenges as opportunities and build a legacy that outlives them.Connect with Adel Sayegh:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adel-sayegh-06109a9/Connect with Dwayne Kerrigan:FacebookInstagramLinked InWebsiteDisclaimer: The views, information, or opinions expressed by guests during The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Dwayne Kerrigan and his affiliates. Dwayne Kerrigan or The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of any of the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional or specialist before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast.

In this deeply personal conversation, Adel Sayegh joins Dwayne Kerrigan to share Part 1 of his story of losing everything — financially, professionally, and emotionally — and the lessons that followed.Adel opens up about the moment when the life he had built suddenly collapsed. The house, the car, the career, and the identity that came with success were all gone. What followed was one of the most defining moments of his life: facing fear, uncertainty, and the realization that everything he once believed about stability and success could disappear overnight.But this story is not about loss — it’s about resilience.Adel reflects on how faith, humility, and the support of his wife helped him rebuild from the ground up. He explains how identity often becomes tied to status and material success, and why losing those things forced him to rediscover who he really was.This episode is a powerful reminder that adversity is not the end of the story. Often, it’s the beginning of the one that matters most.Episode Highlights: 00:00 - Opening: Finding meaning and purpose in life's challenges00:31 - Introduction to Adel Sayegh's remarkable journey of resilience01:27 - Growing up in poverty in Jordan during the 1967 war5:14 - Starting with childhood: The foundation of character9:37 - The watermelon truck story: Early entrepreneurial lessons12:06 - Life in a one-room house with 11 family members16:23 - Zimbabwe lesson: True happiness vs material wealth22:44 - Hit by a car at age 5: Experiencing hatred and survival26:22 - Joining the Marines: Brotherhood and pushing beyond limits33:20 - MetLife success: Youngest manager making $250K at 2857:30 - The OJ Simpson moment: Vision for surveillance technology1:05:52 - Rock bottom: Losing the house and filing bankruptcy1:07:30 - Wife's ultimate sacrifice: Offering her jewelry to save the dream1:09:02 - The turnaround: Business takes off and light at end of tunnelKey Takeaways:Success can become dangerously tied to identity and statusLosing everything can reveal who you truly areSupport from loved ones can anchor you during crisisResilience is built through hardship, not comfortFaith and perspective can reshape how we view failureStarting over requires humility and courageTrue strength comes from facing adversity head-onQuotes:“I was vulnerable because for the first time in my life I just, I thought I had it all figured out and now I don’t.” - Adel Sayegh“I just lost everything. I lost my house, I lost my job, I lost my car, I lost my identity.” - Adel Sayegh“Now fear said, what? What if this doesn’t work out? What if this isn’t going anywhere?” - Adel Sayegh“Businesses is a series of relationships and one of the biggest relationships that we have is with ourself.” - Dwayne Kerrigan“Your story is unbelievable. It’s an unshakeable journey of overcoming obstacles.” - Dwayne KerriganAdel Sayegh’s story is one of grit, grace, and perseverance. From humble beginnings in his garage, he built a company that reached a $1 billion valuation. A Marine Corps veteran and pancreatic cancer survivor, Adel has overcome tremendous adversity, shaping his mission to use every challenge as a platform to serve others. His unwavering faith in God has been the cornerstone of his journey, grounding him through both triumphs and storms. Today, Adel speaks to entrepreneurs, leaders, and dreamers, challenging them to rise above adversity, pursue excellence, and live with purpose. His message of resilience, faith, and hope leaves a lasting imprint on audiences, calling them to embrace challenges as opportunities and build a legacy that outlives them.Connect with Adel Sayegh:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adel-sayegh-06109a9/Connect with Dwayne Kerrigan:FacebookInstagramLinked InWebsiteDisclaimer: The views, information, or opinions expressed by guests during The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Dwayne Kerrigan and his affiliates. Dwayne Kerrigan or The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of any of the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional or specialist before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast.

In this powerful episode, Brad May returns for Part 2 of a raw and honest conversation about leadership, resilience, identity, and what it truly takes to win at the highest level.Brad reflects on being traded multiple times during his NHL career, adapting to new teams, and learning how to integrate into different locker rooms without disrupting culture. He shares the emotional journey of winning the Stanley Cup with the Anaheim Ducks — and why celebrating that moment with his family meant more than the trophy itself.The conversation expands beyond hockey into business leadership. Brad breaks down why coaches are “salesmen,” why clarity of vision is essential, and why delegation without interference builds trust. He unpacks the difference between playing not to lose versus playing to win — and why excuses quietly erode culture.At its core, this episode is about ownership. Ownership of performance. Ownership of mistakes. Ownership of mindset.As Brad says, there is no “try.” You either do or you don’t.Episode Highlights:0:00 - Mindset over body: eliminating "try" and taking ownership0:34 - Welcome and introduction to part two of the episode1:31 - Adapting to seven different NHL teams and building new relationships6:00 - Winning the 2007 Stanley Cup with Anaheim after 16-year career7:50 - Scott Niedermeyer's perspective on being lucky to share the Cup with family11:04 - What makes a good coach: selling a system and getting buy-in13:49 - Comparing coaching styles: Mark Crawford vs Ted Nolan vs Randy Carlisle15:30 - Ted Nolan's simple advice: "Just play left wing" analogy17:31 - Randy Carlisle's relentless work ethic and pursuit of excellence21:28 - Why some players leave the game bitter and unfulfilled25:08 - Identity after hockey: from "I used to be" to "I am a hockey player"30:28 - Eliminating excuses: "You either do or you don't"33:28 - Leadership lesson from Brian Burke: delegating responsibility to coaches55:38 - Playing to win vs playing not to lose: the power of identifying your goal58:38 - The bar speech that united the team and families to win togetherKey Takeaways:Leaders must communicate crystal-clear goals (short, medium, and long term).Identity loss can derail high performers after retirement or career shifts.Playing to “not lose” creates hesitation; playing to win creates momentum.Ownership beats excuses — every time.Leaders must reflect on whether failure was execution or lack of resources.Energy, clarity, and consistency win over time.You must declare what you want — silence guarantees nothing.Resources Mentioned: The Secret (law of attraction concept)Tony Robbins – mindset principle referencedNIL (Name, Image, Likeness) era in NCAA athleticsCold plunge discipline practiceBillions (TV show reference for executive coaching concept)Notable Quotes: “Your mind is in charge. Doesn’t matter what your body feels, just do it.” - Brad May“It’s okay if you’re not successful, but own it and learn from it and let’s go. Let’s keep moving.” - Brad May“The moment that a coach compromises his values, he's not the same guy and he's probably not as good.” - Brad May“A coach is just a salesman. He needs 25 guys to buy in.” - Brad May“You gotta enjoy the small wins.” - Dwayne Kerrigan“There's just some people, some leaders, who are just not having the hard enough conversations.” - Dwayne Kerrigan“You also have to have people around you that are willing to say - hey, you're being either too easy or too hard. Like you just, you have to have a team around you to help you identify as a leader.” - Dwayne KerriganGuest Bio: Brad May is a former NHL forward whose 19-year career spanned more than 1,000 regular-season games across the league. He is a Stanley Cup champion, winning with the Anaheim Ducks in 2007, and remains a recognizable figure in hockey history for his 1993 overtime playoff goal against Boston, remembered by fans as the iconic “May Day” moment.Following his retirement from professional hockey in 2010, May transitioned into broadcasting, working as an NHL analyst with CBC, Rogers Sportsnet, and AT&T SportsNet, where his candid, player-first perspective made him a natural presence on air. In 2024, May entered a new chapter off the ice, joining NFP as a Client Executive, where he works with businesses and individuals on insurance and risk management.Guest Social Links: Instagram: www.instagram.com/maydayhockey LinkedIn: ca.linkedin.com/in/brad-may-24228662Connect with Dwayne Kerrigan:FacebookInstagramLinkedInWebsiteDisclaimer: The views, information, or opinions expressed by guests during The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Dwayne Kerrigan and his affiliates. Dwayne Kerrigan or The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of any of the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional or specialist before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast.

In this episode of The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast, former NHL veteran Brad May joins Dwayne for candid conversation about leadership, grit, and longevity — on and off the ice.Brad reflects on his 19-year NHL career, what separated players who made it from those who didn’t, and why mental fortitude mattered more than raw talent. From locker room lessons and team dynamics to integrity in business and life, Brad shares the foundational principles that shaped his journey: set achievable goals, outwork the competition, do the right thing — even when no one is watching.He speaks openly about fear, discipline, evolving training methods, investing in himself, and the power of speaking goals into existence. Whether you’re building a business, leading a team, or chasing a dream, this conversation is a masterclass in character, culture, and consistency.Episode Highlights:0:00 - Opening: The power of achievable goals and how success begets success2:10 - Amazing Race experience: A month of uninterrupted father-daughter bonding8:13 - Ken May's integrity story: Choosing ethics over extra commission in real estate13:36 - Playing 1,041 NHL games: The 5% club and what it takes to last 19 years14:47 - The Miracle on Ice: Herb Brooks' leadership and the power of divide and conquer21:36 - Training evolution: What Brad wishes he knew then vs. what athletes know now27:54 - Nathan McKinnon's training: Heavy lifting before games to wake up the nervous system33:28 - Building championship teams: The right mix of leaders, followers, convicts, and dreamers39:04 - Locker room lesson: When Pat LaFontaine taught Brad about playing smart vs. playing hard49:35 - The power of manifestation: Speaking your goals into existence58:13 - "You can't get blood from a rock": Brad's mental fortitude superpower1:02:03 - Parenting reflection: Being too soft on the next generation vs. learning through adversityKey Takeaways:Success is the realization of a predetermined goalAchievable goals create momentum and compound winsLongevity requires discipline beyond talentMental fortitude is a competitive advantageYou cannot succeed alone — success is collectiveSpeak goals into existence and back them with actionResources Mentioned:The Secret (law of attraction concept)Miracle on Ice (1980 U.S. Olympic Hockey Team story)Herb Brooks leadership modelJournaling & written goal-settingQuotes:“Set your goals, achievable goals, and you do that on a regular basis and you're gonna get to where you're going.” - Brad May “The definition of success is the realization of a predetermined goal.” - Brad May“You can’t get blood from a rock.” - Brad May“Leadership shows up in a lot of different ways.” - Dwayne Kerrigan“The strongest force in the human psyche is to remain congruent with how we identify ourselves.” - Dwayne KerriganBrad May is a former NHL forward whose 19-year career spanned more than 1,000 regular-season games across the league. He is a Stanley Cup champion, winning with the Anaheim Ducks in 2007, and remains a recognizable figure in hockey history for his 1993 overtime playoff goal against Boston, remembered by fans as the iconic “May Day” moment. Following his retirement from professional hockey in 2010, May transitioned into broadcasting, working as an NHL analyst with CBC, Rogers Sportsnet, and AT&T SportsNet, where his candid, player-first perspective made him a natural presence on air. In 2024, May entered a new chapter off the ice, joining NFP as a Client Executive, where he works with businesses and individuals on insurance and risk management. LinksInstagram: www.instagram.com/maydayhockeyLinkedIn: ca.linkedin.com/in/brad-may-24228662Connect with Dwayne KerriganFacebookInstagramLinked InWebsiteDisclaimer: The views, information, or opinions expressed by guests during The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Dwayne Kerrigan and his affiliates. Dwayne Kerrigan or The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of any of the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional or specialist before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast.

In Part 2 of this conversation, Emma Murray and Dwayne Kerrigan move from awareness into practical performance tools. Emma introduces one of the most powerful distinctions in high performance: critique versus criticism.She explains why self-criticism is a survival response that quietly destroys confidence, slows learning, and locks people into repeated mistakes. Through examples from elite sport, sales, leadership, parenting, and everyday life, Emma breaks down how to review performance by examining the entire process — thoughts, feelings, actions, and results — rather than attacking outcomes or identity.The conversation also dives into fear-based leadership, tunnel vision, stress responses, and why people perform worse when they feel watched, pressured, or unsafe. Emma shares actionable techniques to regain presence under pressure, including breath, body awareness, and “small focus” anchors that keep the mind out of fight-or-flight. This episode equips leaders, entrepreneurs, and performers with a repeatable framework for learning faster, leading better, and performing consistently — even when stakes are high.Episode Highlights:00:00 – Emma on self-kindness under pressure and stopping the internal threat response01:00 – Dwayne intro + framing Part 2: turning attention and mindset into action02:00 – Critique over criticism: how thoughts drive feelings, actions, and results03:30 – Outcome focus vs process focus and why pressure hijacks performance05:05 – How to critique the entire performance process (thinking, feeling, doing)06:40 – Turning failure into growth by extracting the right lessons08:00 – Why quarterly reviews fail and daily reflection matters09:45 – Coaching teams beyond checklists and task correction11:25 – A-game vs B-game language and building awareness in teams13:40 – Leaders, fear, control, and psychological safety15:30 – Running toward outcomes vs accessing creativity and big-picture thinking17:30 – The “flashlight of attention” metaphor for leaders and parents19:40 – Stress responses, presence, and anchoring attention (breath, feet, listening)22:00 – Training attention as a performance muscle25:45 – Stress cycles, recovery, and sustainable performance29:10 – Introduction to the Closed Eye Process and presence training32:00 – Deep dive: critiquing vs criticizing explained step-by-step36:30 – Survival wiring, subconscious files, and performance memory39:30 – The CHIMP brain, danger signals, and slipping into B-game42:30 – Small controllable focus as the pathway back to A-gameKey Takeaways:Critique examines process, not personal worthThoughts drive feelings, feelings drive actions, actions drive resultsGrowth comes from extracting learnings — not from failure aloneFear narrows focus and creates tunnel visionSmall, controllable focus prevents fight-or-flightConnection reduces fear and restores executionQuotes:“Failure does not give you growth if you are not actually eliciting the lessons from it.” - Emma Murray“Feet on floor, bum on chair … Bring your attention to your feet, your bum, your breath … those things are gonna anchor you back into the present moment” - Emma Murray“When all this fails, use your breath” - Emma Murray“The human mind cannot carry two thoughts simultaneously.” - Dwayne KerriganResources MentionedCritique Over Criticism FrameworkA-Game / B-Game Performance ModelCHIMP Paradox – Dr. Steve PetersClosed-Eye Process Emma is sought-after by ASX 100 corporations, executives, and the education sector for her unique High Performance Mindfulness practice that drives sustainable improvements in performance, by providing the skills and tools that enable participants to bring their 'A-Game' to high-pressure moments.Website: https://www.emmamurray.com.au/Instagram: www.instagram.com/highperformancemindfulnessFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/em.murray.mindcoach/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/high-performance-mindfulness/Connect with Dwayne KerriganFacebookInstagramLinked InWebsiteDisclaimer: The views, information, or opinions expressed by guests during The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Dwayne Kerrigan and his affiliates. Dwayne Kerrigan or The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of any of the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional or specialist before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast.

Performance mindset coach Emma Murray returns to The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast to break down why even highly capable people struggle under pressure - and how to fix it.Emma explains that humans are not wired to perform at their best in business, sport, or life - we’re wired for survival. When pressure hits, our attention naturally drifts to fear, loss, and outcomes we can’t control, pulling us out of the present moment. Through powerful examples from golf, sales, leadership, parenting, and elite sport, Emma shows how performance collapses the moment attention leaves the task.Together, Dwayne and Emma unpack the difference between skillset and mindset, why elite performers win through attention regulation, and how “chunking down” - narrowing focus to something small, controllable, and strength-based - restores clarity, confidence, and execution.Episode Highlights:00:00 – Emma opens by explaining why humans are wired for survival, not greatness.01:00 – Dwayne introduces Emma and frames the conversation around skillset, mindset, and attention.03:30 – Emma explains why attention patterns are universal across sport, business, and life.06:00 – Golf example: how attention drifts under pressure and breaks execution.08:30 – Skillset vs mindset explained using the “boxes within boxes” analogy.11:00 – Scott McLaughlin story and consistency through mindset regulation.13:30 – Expectations, execution, and why lowering outcomes is the wrong solution.16:00 – Survival wiring: fear of loss vs fear of missing gain.18:30 – Sales leadership example and why people avoid known next steps.21:00 – Horse riding comeback story and gratitude removing danger thinking.23:30 – Freeze response explained and attention leaving the arena.26:00 – Why leaders can’t fix fear with cheerleading or pressure.28:30 – Catching attention drift and recognizing A-game vs B-game signals.31:30 – Small focus strategies for golf, sales, and presentations.34:30 – Breath as the fastest way to regulate attention and mindset.38:30 – Process focus vs outcome focus and competitive advantage.41:30 – Post-execution review introduced: critique over criticism.44:30 – Bonus segment setup: “Chunking Down” as a performance tool.47:30 – Chunking down explained with leadership, sales, and riding examples.Key Takeaways:Humans are wired for survival, not peak performancePressure pulls attention away from the present momentSkillset lives inside mindset — mindset determines deliveryOutcomes and comparison destabilize performanceSmall, controllable focus creates safety and clarityBreath is the fastest way to regulate attentionElite performers anchor attention on process, not resultsPerformance improves when danger is removed from the mindQuotes:“We are not wired to be great in competition or to be great in sales or business, or even a great friend for that matter, or a great parent. We are just wired for survival.” - Emma MurrayBig stuff, big goals, big expectations, small focus.” - Emma Murray“If you are stepping into that moment with your attention on the process, you've already got a massive competitive advantage.” - Emma Murray“Control is an illusion” - Dwayne KerriganResources MentionedTraditional Mindfulness (adapted by Emma Murray)Chunking Down TechniqueClosed-Eye Processes (mentioned as bonus content)Emma is sought-after by ASX 100 corporations, executives, and the education sector for her unique High Performance Mindfulness practice that drives sustainable improvements in performance, by providing the skills and tools that enable participants to bring their 'A-Game' to high-pressure moments.Website: https://www.emmamurray.com.au/Instagram: www.instagram.com/highperformancemindfulnessFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/em.murray.mindcoach/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/high-performance-mindfulness/Connect with Dwayne KerriganFacebookInstagramLinked InWebsiteDisclaimer: The views, information, or opinions expressed by guests during The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Dwayne Kerrigan and his affiliates. Dwayne Kerrigan or The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of any of the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional or specialist before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast.

In this special bonus episode recorded ahead of their full mindset conversation, Dwayne Kerrigan and Emma Murray reflect on a deeply personal topic: relationships.As Valentine’s Day approaches, they explore how intimate relationships often absorb the stress, pressure, and emotional buildup from the outside world. Dwayne shares candidly about his own growth — recognizing how habitual reactions, unmet needs, and old internal stories can surface at home if they’re not processed throughout the day. Emma adds insight into how unconscious patterns, primary questions, and survival wiring shape the way we show up with those we love most.Together, they discuss raising standards inside the relationship, practicing conscious awareness, meeting your partner’s needs without expectation, and replacing self-judgment with grace. This short but powerful conversation reframes love not as grand gestures, but as attention, awareness, and intentional daily behavior.Episode Highlights:0:00 - Introduction: Valentine's Day as a renewal for relationships0:27 - Viewing Valentine's Day as a time for awareness and meeting needs1:23 - Why we release stress on loved ones instead of during the day2:41 - Holding different standards for work vs. intimate relationships3:43 - The importance of awareness in meeting your partner's needs4:34 - Breaking habitual negative response patterns in relationships5:11 - How relationship quality affects every area of life5:38 - "Chains of habit are too light to be felt until too heavy to be broken"6:06 - Treating your partner with conscious awareness7:14 - Focusing on relationship growth: reading, podcasts, and learning7:53 - Enjoying the process instead of fixating on an end state8:30 - Getting addicted to lighting up your partner9:10 - Managing anger and identifying emotional triggers9:52 - Using Byron Katie's four questions to examine stories we tell ourselves10:12 - Taking responsibility instead of projecting onto your partner10:30 - We're all learning - giving yourself and your partner grace11:54 - Appreciating yourself for being imperfectKey Takeaways:We often release built-up stress on the people we love mostAwareness creates choice inside intimate momentsLove grows when we actively meet one another’s needsSelf-reflection prevents projectionGrace and ownership dissolve conflict faster than blameRelationships are built through process, not perfectionConscious love is practiced — not automaticQuotes:“There’s nothing better in this world and nothing makes life feel greater than having an amazing relationship that is just full of love and abundance when it is going and operating at its peak level.” - Dwayne Kerrigan“ I didn't hold myself to the same standard inside the intimate relationship as I did in my professional life.” - Dwayne Kerrigan“If things are not good in your relationship, they’re not good anywhere you go.” - Dwayne Kerrigan“I think our relationships are very based on just habitual responses.” - Emma Murray“Our relationship is the core of our existence here.” - Emma Murray“The excitement of treating your person that you love most with such conscious awareness.” - Emma MurrayResources MentionedLoving What Is - Byron KatiePrimary Question Framework (personal development concept referenced)10,000 Hours Principle (mastery concept referenced)Emma is sought-after by ASX 100 corporations, executives, and the education sector for her unique High Performance Mindfulness practice that drives sustainable improvements in performance, by providing the skills and tools that enable participants to bring their 'A-Game' to high-pressure moments.Website: https://www.emmamurray.com.au/Instagram: www.instagram.com/highperformancemindfulnessFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/em.murray.mindcoach/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/high-performance-mindfulness/Connect with Dwayne KerriganFacebookInstagramLinked InWebsiteDisclaimer: The views, information, or opinions expressed by guests during The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Dwayne Kerrigan and his affiliates. Dwayne Kerrigan or The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of any of the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional or specialist before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast.

In Part 2 of this in-depth conversation, Sarah Jeanneault and Dwayne Kerrigan tackle one of the most misunderstood topics in modern business: AI implementation without foundational process.Drawing from Sarah’s background in education, finance, trading psychology, and her current role at ProcedureFlow, the discussion reframes AI not as a silver bullet—but as an amplifier of whatever already exists inside an organization. Together, they explore why many companies are failing to see ROI from AI investments, how skipping SOPs and governance creates chaos, and why leaders must slow down before they scale up.Using powerful metaphors—from sourdough baking to mountain biking—Sarah explains why meaningful AI adoption requires patience, critical thinking, and uncomfortable conversations. The episode also expands into leadership, parenting, culture-building, and the human elements AI will never replace: empathy, judgment, and connection. This is a grounded, honest conversation for leaders who want to use AI responsibly—without gambling their business on hype.Episode Highlights:00:00 – Sarah introduces AI implementation using a sourdough recipe analogy01:00 – Dwayne welcomes listeners and frames Part 202:00 – Imposter syndrome, fear, and language we use to protect ourselves05:00 – Growth mindset and the “10 more steps” principle08:00 – Parenting, resilience, and building long-term capability12:00 – Leadership, culture, and why hard conversations matter16:00 – Why AI investments often fail to produce ROI20:00 – SOPs, governance, and backing the bus up 25:00 – Customer experience, AI chatbots, and human frustration 30:00 – Agentic AI, avatars, and future customer service models 35:00 – Why AI is already here and cannot be undone 40:00 – Doom scrolling, humanity, and preserving curiosity46:00 – Data collection as preparation—not prediction53:00 – Visual flows and simplifying complex knowledge59:00 – AI timelines, human choice, and optionality 01:05:00 – Where AI helps—and where it shouldn’t replace humans 01:10:00 – Final reflections and resourcesKey Takeaways:AI amplifies broken systems, it doesn’t fix themSOPs, processes, and governance must come before automationROI fails when AI is implemented for optics instead of outcomesProcess clarity enables both humans and AI to perform betterNot every industry, or company, is ready for AI at the same paceData collection today enables smarter AI decisions tomorrowAI should augment human judgment, not replace itThe future still belongs to human connection, empathy, and choiceResources Mentioned:ProcedureFlow – Enterprise knowledge management platform - https://procedureflow.com/ Notable Quotes:“The only difference between a dream and a goal is a timeline.” - Sarah Jeanneault “I want people to think about implementation of ai, like you're following a recipe for something that's really tricky to cook.” - Sarah Jeanneault “ If you are willing to go 10 steps of uncertainty when you feel like you really need to stop, but you're gonna push for 10 more seconds, you are going to get so much further ahead of somebody else.” - Sarah Jeanneault “ Anything worthwhile is hard. If it's not, it's probably not worthwhile.” - Dwayne Kerrigan“ The real meaning behind imposter syndrome is, you know, am I enough?” - Dwayne KerriganSarah Jeanneault is the Vice President of Marketing at ProcedureFlow, where she’s helping redefine customer experience in the age of AI. With over 20 years of leadership across fintech, wealth management, and brokerage services, Sarah is an award-winning executive, speaker, and founder who brings both personal passion and professional expertise to the table.In 2023, she was recognized as one of the Top 10 Women Leaders in Finance in the U.S. Known for her dynamic mix of strategic vision and human-centered leadership, Sarah believes lasting success comes from having a goal, a dream, and the determination to pursue it—along with a willingness to keep learning and growing.LinksLinkedIn:https://ca.linkedin.com/in/iam-sarah-potter Website: https://procedureflow.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Procedureflow Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/procedureflow Connect with Dwayne Kerrigan Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thedwaynekerriganpodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dwaynekerriganpodcast/ Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dwayne-kerrigan-998113281/ Website: http://www.dwaynekerrigan.comDisclaimer The views, information, or opinions expressed by guests during The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Dwayne Kerrigan and his affiliates. Dwayne Kerrigan or The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of any of the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional or specialist before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast.

In this wide-ranging conversation, Sarah Jeanneault shares her unconventional journey from struggling with math in school to becoming a respected leader in fintech, trading education, and enterprise knowledge management. She and Dwayne Kerrigan explore the deep gaps in financial literacy, why traditional education often fails to prepare people for real-world decision-making, and how learning truly begins after formal schooling ends.Sarah explains how she applied adult learning theory to teach herself trading, why psychology matters more than numbers in the markets, and how curiosity, pattern recognition, and humility shaped her success. The discussion expands into the future of education, AI’s role in learning, entrepreneurship, identity shifts after business exits, and the emotional reality of leadership transitions. This episode is a thoughtful examination of growth, risk, and why continuous learning is the most valuable skill anyone can develop.Episode Highlights:00:00 – Sarah opens by naming the gap in real-world financial literacy.02:00 – Dwayne introduces Sarah and frames the episode around learning and reinvention.05:00 – Sarah shares struggling with math and early assumptions about intelligence.09:00 – Losing her best friend and questioning the direction of her life.14:00 – Discovering trading and applying adult learning theory to self-education.18:00 – Why financial literacy is rarely taught despite its life-long impact.23:00 – Breaking down trading basics and removing unnecessary complexity.28:00 – Psychology, emotion, and why ego derails good financial decisions.33:00 – Risk, uncertainty, and learning to sit with discomfort.38:00 – Podcasts, curiosity, and self-directed learning as modern education.44:00 – Continuous learning as the foundation of entrepreneurship and leadership.49:00 – Gamifying learning to build confidence and consistency over time.54:00 – Building community through transparency and shared learning.59:00 – Scaling education-driven businesses and teaching at scale.64:00 – Identity shifts after acquisitions and redefining success.69:00 – Leadership, disagreement, and creating psychologically safe teams.74:00 – AI, critical thinking, and the future of learning.79:00 – Personal growth, reinvention, and staying curious long-term.84:00 – Reflections on learning, humility, and what truly creates confidence.88:00 – Closing thoughts, gratitude, and setting up Part 2.Key Takeaways:Financial literacy is rarely taught, yet deeply shapes life decisions.Learning accelerates when curiosity replaces fear of being “bad at math.”Real education often begins after formal schooling ends.Trading and business are driven as much by psychology as by data.Growth comes from pattern recognition, experimentation, and reflection.Entrepreneurship requires comfort with uncertainty and identity shifts.AI will amplify learning — but only if critical thinking is prioritized.Strong leaders create environments where disagreement is encouraged.Sustainable success comes from continuous learning and reinvention.Resources Mentioned:ProcedureFlow – Enterprise knowledge management platform - https://procedureflow.com/CNBC – Financial markets media referenceNotable Quotes:“ There really isn't a lot of real financial literacy. We really don't talk about - what do you do with money?” - Sarah Jeanneault ”But what I don't want anyone to believe is that tomorrow you can make a million dollars in the S&P because that is not true. There's no lottery ticket to this journey.” - Sarah Jeanneault“ I think I'm most proud of doing quite well in finance … someone who really struggled in school with math.” - Sarah Jeanneault“Stocks go up, sideways, or down — that’s it.” - Sarah Jeanneault“If you think you're gonna go from education, whatever it is, university, high school, wherever you go, and then learning stops, like go start your own business and try not to learn.” - Dwayne Kerrigan“I would say that one of the key components to the most successful people that we've had on the show … the key component that they have threaded through there is they’re learners” - Dwayne KerriganSarah Jeanneault is the Vice President of Marketing at ProcedureFlow, where she’s helping redefine customer experience in the age of AI. With over 20 years of leadership across fintech, wealth management, and brokerage services, Sarah is an award-winning executive, speaker, and founder who brings both personal passion and professional expertise to the table.In 2023, she was recognized as one of the Top 10 Women Leaders in Finance in the U.S. Known for her dynamic mix of strategic vision and human-centered leadership, Sarah believes lasting success comes from having a goal, a dream, and the determination to pursue it—along with a willingness to keep learning and growing.LinksLinkedIn:https://ca.linkedin.com/in/iam-sarah-potterWebsite: https://procedureflow.com/YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ProcedureflowFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/procedureflowConnect with Dwayne KerriganFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/thedwaynekerriganpodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/dwaynekerriganpodcast/Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dwayne-kerrigan-998113281/Website: http://www.dwaynekerrigan.comDisclaimer: The views, information, or opinions expressed by guests during The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast are solely those of the individuals involved and do not necessarily represent those of Dwayne Kerrigan and his affiliates. Dwayne Kerrigan or The Dwayne Kerrigan Podcast is not responsible for and does not verify the accuracy of any of the information contained in the podcast series. The primary purpose of this podcast is to educate and inform. Listeners are advised to consult with a qualified professional or specialist before making any decisions based on the content of this podcast.