

Change Signal
Michael Bungay Stanier
If you’re leading change in organizations, this will be your favourite podcast.Change is harder than ever. Transformation is more complex, unpredictable and overwhelming than it’s ever been. Change Signal cuts through the noise to find the good stuff that works.Michael Bungay Stanier, author of The Coaching Habit and organizational transformation student for thirty years, talks to the best thinkers, senior leaders, and experienced practitioners in the world of change, to find what works, what doesn’t, and what to try instead. With Change Signal as your guide, you’ll be more efficient and less overwhelmed, and your change projects will more likely succeed.Change Signal: Where we cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works. Sign up for weekly updates at TheChangeSignal.com
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Apr 9, 2025 • 28min
You’re over-flexing this change muscle: Dan Heath
Dan Heath, a renowned writer on change and transformation, delves into the intricacies of effective change management. He highlights the importance of identifying 'bright spots'—areas of success that can facilitate broader organizational change. Heath argues that teams often overlook motivation, relying too heavily on problem-solving rather than celebrating achievements. He shares frameworks for leaders to navigate tough decisions and emphasizes the courage needed to prioritize impactful actions over the status quo.

Apr 2, 2025 • 26min
Ignore The Cynics, Win The Skeptics: Cassandra Worthy
Cassandra Worthy, creator of the Change Enthusiasm framework, discusses how to thrive during corporate change. She shares her journey from navigating painful acquisitions to developing a mindset that views change as a powerful opportunity. Cassandra challenges the bleak statistics about change failures and emphasizes embracing emotions as guiding forces. Leaders are encouraged to create safe spaces for honest emotional expression, ultimately turning skeptics into enthusiastic allies. Her insights offer a refreshing approach to transforming organizational culture.

Mar 26, 2025 • 4min
An MBS change tool: Audit what works (and what doesn’t)
Discover a powerful framework to evaluate your change management toolkit using a 2×2 matrix. It helps you categorize your tools by usage and impact, revealing what works and what doesn’t. You’ll learn to identify high-use but low-impact methods that could be holding you back. Also, uncover underutilized high-impact tools that might be your secret weapon for success. Engage in self-reflection to boost your transformation efforts and make informed decisions about your approaches.

Mar 19, 2025 • 20min
Do this ONE thing before you do ANYTHING else: Caroline Webb
Here's why auditing current commitments is essential before launching any new initiative, how to overcome our powerful bias toward maintaining the status quo, and what a 19th-century philosopher's fence teaches us about intelligent transformation.When leading organizational change, it pays to first understand what's already in motion. In this bonus episode, Caroline Webb, leadership coach, former McKinsey consultant, and author of "How to Have a Good Day," reveals our tendency to add new initiatives without stopping existing ones—and how this leads to burnout and ineffective change efforts.Drawing from her experience coaching executives and leading organizational transformations, Caroline highlights our blind spot: we don't even know what we're already committed to. She shares a powerful example of mapping initiatives with a hospital CEO's team, where they discovered projects some thought were finished, others no one had heard of, and many with unclear status.What makes this conversation valuable is Caroline's no-nonsense approach to the change leader's dilemma: you can't add something new without making space by removing something else. Her insight that every choice—including not changing—comes with "prizes and punishments" and provides a powerful framework for decision-making. The audit process she describes helps not only identify what to cut, but also reveals where you can leverage existing work rather than creating something entirely new.If you're wrestling with overwhelmed teams, wondering how to create space for new initiatives, or trying to focus on what truly matters, this episode gives you actionable tools to audit your current state before embarking on any change journey.Change Signal. Cut through the blather, the BS, and the noise to find the good stuff that works in change management. 🎧 New episodes every two weeks. Subscribe to our weekly newsletter at thechangesignal.com.

Mar 12, 2025 • 26min
Your Brain's Dangerous Change Blind Spot: Leidy Klotz
Leidy Klotz, a Professor at the University of Virginia and author of "Subtraction: The Untapped Science of Less," explores the overlooked power of subtraction in change management. He shares how organizations often default to adding rather than removing, hindering effective improvements. Through engaging examples like Lego bricks and Strider bikes, Leidy reveals the importance of recognizing what to eliminate. His practical strategies encourage a mindset shift to enhance decision-making and creativity, empowering leaders to transform their approaches to change.

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Feb 26, 2025 • 28min
Why Leaders Keep Making Change Harder: Margaret Heffernan
Margaret Heffernan, author of "Uncharted" and mentor to global CEOs, dives into the complexities of organizational change. She highlights why euphemistic language can derail transformation and encourages leaders to treat their teams as capable individuals. With insights from her time in tech and a captivating case study from Pixar, she illustrates how to foster a culture of creativity and agency. Heffernan’s no-nonsense approach reveals that constant change is vital for growth, challenging leaders to embrace rather than resist it.

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Feb 12, 2025 • 25min
The High School Secret to Org Change: Katy Milkman
Katy Milkman, a Wharton professor and author of "How to Change," dives deep into the psychology of behavior change. She highlights that 40% of premature deaths result from choices we can control, offering insights on improving decision-making. Katy emphasizes the power of 'fresh start' moments and the importance of engaging the 'movable middle' in organizations to drive transformation. She also debunks the myth of positive visualization, advocating for pre-mortems to predict challenges instead. A fresh look at change management!

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Feb 12, 2025 • 31min
You don’t need 99% of change management models: Pim de Morree
Pim de Morree, co-founder of Corporate Rebels, champions a radical shift in change management by prioritizing people over outdated models. He discusses how transformative processes can flourish through employee voting and participation, rather than top-down mandates. Pim emphasizes the importance of addressing the human side of transformations, likening it to 'group therapy' for teams. This approach has resulted in enhanced productivity and engagement. Ultimately, he argues for a thoughtful, experimental mindset that values connection as much as process.

Jan 28, 2025 • 3min
Welcome to Your Favourite Podcast on Org Change and Transformation
Dive into the complexities of organizational transformation and discover the challenges leaders face in managing change. The discussion highlights the struggle between leadership visions and employee resistance. Tune in for valuable insights and strategies to navigate this tricky landscape, all while avoiding burnout. Learn from a seasoned change management consultant's journey and the importance of finding practical solutions that truly make a difference.


